4. "Yeah, while Im happy he got caught" In response to Reply # 0
Call me a cynic, but this reads like bullshit unless 'volunteering' means 'Saying yes while getting hit with batons'. That said, assuming he's mentally ill, perhaps there was a chance this actually went down as they said;
"Cops arrested the unemployed Lewis around 6 p.m. Saturday outside his home. They had approached him on Thursday, and Lewis voluntarily submitted a DNA sample when cops interviewed him, NYPD Chief of Detectives Robert Boyce said. The sample came back as a match to the DNA found under Vetrano’s fingernails as well as on her back and cell phone, Boyce said."
22. "why did you assume it was someone she knew? Everything about " In response to Reply # 5
it screamed random.
-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.
10. "So, the daughter was missing for just 2 hours " In response to Reply # 0 Mon Feb-06-17 09:05 PM by Sarah_Bellum
The dad doesn't call the police but calls an off duty officer he knows. Note: a grown woman gone for 2 hrs is not call a cop buddy territory by any means. Then several days later on a search for the body with police and other volunteers the dad happens to be the one person to find the body in 15 ft high weeds... cus he knew the deal. There were no suspects 2 days ago and now suddenly this slow boy with mental issues is being framed up for the killing. My guess is the dad owed a debt. He's got ties that bind. They know who did this but need someone to take the fall so people don't start sniffing around.
That boy is 6ft 140lbs and slow... It's a frame up.
legsdiamond Member since May 05th 2011 79970 posts
Tue Feb-07-17 07:44 AM
12. "if all this info is true something doesn't smell right" In response to Reply # 10 Tue Feb-07-17 07:54 AM by legsdiamond
also found this bit of info
Chanel Lewis wound up on cops’ radar after a lieutenant who lives in the neighborhood recalled a man acting suspiciously near the scene the previous spring.
how the fuck you remember someone from the previous spring because they acted suspicious one night?
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14. "fishy as hell, plus..." In response to Reply # 12 Tue Feb-07-17 08:11 AM by Somnus
the kid is all 140lbs of tall lanky frail frame and mentally disabled at that, I just can't see him holding down a seemingly in shape grown woman flailing about for her life.
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legsdiamond Member since May 05th 2011 79970 posts
Tue Feb-07-17 08:56 AM
15. "The father said he had a premonition 15 minutes after she left" In response to Reply # 14
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26. "you are taking regular stuff and making it sound salacious lol" In response to Reply # 10
+just getting facts wrong.
>The dad doesn't call the police but calls an off duty officer >he knows. Note: a grown woman gone for 2 hrs is not call a cop >buddy territory by any means.
They ran every day for a set amount of time. He couldn't go this time and told her to stay. She said she'd be fine. He thought it was a bad idea but she went anyway. Then when she's late, he calls a police chief neighbor. If he called 911, they woulda told him to wait 48 hours i believe. The chief contacted 911 and got the search going.
>Then several days later on a search for the body with police >and other volunteers the dad happens to be the one person to >find the body in 15 ft high weeds...
Several days later??? lol they found her that night. There was an extensive search including a helicopter (perks of contacting a police chief neighbor) and they pinged and located her phone. The overhead helicopter is the one that actually located the body. The father was just the first to get to the body on the ground. Of course, media is gonna report that the dad found her bc that'll sell more papers.
cus he knew the deal. >There were no suspects 2 days ago and now suddenly this slow >boy with mental issues is being framed up for the killing. >My guess is the dad owed a debt. He's got ties that bind. They >know who did this but need someone to take the fall so people >don't start sniffing around. > >That boy is 6ft 140lbs and slow...
and probably still taller, bigger and stronger than the victim.
-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.
They had approached him on Thursday, and Lewis voluntarily submitted a DNA sample when cops interviewed him, NYPD Chief of Detectives Robert Boyce said. The sample came back as a match to the DNA found under Vetrano’s fingernails as well as on her back and cell phone, Boyce said.
28. "If you are talking about this, they didn't use it. " In response to Reply # 27
>Vetrano’s family and the NYPD had used the case to push for the state to allow familial DNA testing, which could create partial matches with criminals’ relatives.
I think they were in the process of going through the courts with this and it would just possibly identify the family line of whose DNA it was, if there was a family member in the system. It would have have hopefully led them to a suspect.
But they didn't use it here, they found a suspect and he willfully gave up his dna (allegedly)
everything else about your post is on point.
-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.
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33. "So how would the DNA results be faked? His sample from now" In response to Reply # 32 Tue Feb-07-17 11:29 AM by soulfunk
matches the sample taken from her body last year. So to fake it they would have had to have someone swap out her sample from evidence with another sample of his to get a match. Which means the lab would be in on it, and whoever was responsible for storing the original evidence.
But even with all that - the conspiracy wouldn't make sense because the new DNA results wouldn't match the results that had ALREADY been on file and had been sent out when they were searching other DNA records on file. So the new faked DNA wouldn't vibe with what they'd been searching for.
It would be like having a witness specifically say "I saw him drive away! His plate number was 123-456!", having police search for "123-456", later finding a suspect with the plate number "ABC-DEF" and saying it's a match.
Atillah Moor Member since Sep 05th 2013 13825 posts
Tue Feb-07-17 11:39 AM
35. "atm they don't have to fake anything they just have to say guilty" In response to Reply # 33 Tue Feb-07-17 11:50 AM by Atillah Moor
we don't know what kind of test they performed and we don't know along what lines they are saying this person matches and what the statistical probability of a match is. For all we know the evidence only suggests a black person committed the crime which in and of itself is enough to go on.
We don't know the quality of the samples they took. Or what they were outside of skin under the nails (which was likely degraded by dirt and other contaminants). We don't know the nature of the sample from her back. Was it hair, was it sweat or blood, or semen?
They really don't need to fake anything, they can just say DNA says he's guilty and people won't question any of that because they are programmed to think it's a lock if the cops say DNA proves it.
To use your example maybe the DNA evidence says 123-456
and this guys is 723-456 and they want you to believe the 7 is a 1
41. "of course, but some times the answer after looking at the record is" In response to Reply # 39
they probably did that shit.
I 100% agree with what you just said and I also think its bad that they put this dude on front street before a trial.
But other than that, give that dude a fair trial, and if they prove beyond a reasonable doubt, so be it.
But in the mean time I think it's appropiate to take a wait and see approach.
What I don't like to see is folks already claiming it's a cover up or its a Central Park 5 or some other travesty of justice without knowing more facts about the case.
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34. "lol right....sure the dna could be jacked, or the police could have" In response to Reply # 30
fudged the investigation.
But people in here talking about the father knew. lol cmon.
-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.
Given she was murdered last summer and they found him now only a few ways it could have happened:
1. The cops pegged this dude for it immediately last summer and when they found the body they put his DNA on the scene. Oh, since dude wasn't in the system they got his DNA from him around the same time.
2. If the cops pegged this dude much later (like now) they went back and tampered with the original DNA collected samples and inserted this dudes DNA. Which would me the results from the DNA samples ran now and then would be different.
Both seem a stretch. Is there another way they could have pulled this off?
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45. "Yep. This is what I've been saying. " In response to Reply # 43
>Which would me the results from >the DNA samples ran now and then would be different.
They've been searching DNA databases since last summer based on the sample they found on her back then. Even if they somehow tampered with that sample after arresting this dude - that wouldn't wok because it wouldn't match the DNA they'd been searching for since last summer.
Just posting to show that if this is possible in 2009 it's prolly possible to do much more in 2017
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48. "Look at the two scenarios in post 43." In response to Reply # 46
They would have had to fabricate either the sample from the girl (not possible unless they knew they were framing this guy for it back last summer when that sample was collected) or they would have had to fabricate the sample from him that they just took. Possible, but that would mean the sample doesn't match his DNA which can EASILY be retested during trial if the original sample is in dispute. It would be a total waste of time and pretty stupid to fabricate his DNA when he is still alive and his DNA can be checked at any time.
In your linked article, the only times when fabricating DNA would help would be placing it at the crime scene. For example if the police wanted to frame someone who was already in the system, they could take their DNA results and place them at the crime scene during the investigation. But in this case, his DNA was NOT in the system at the time so they'd have nothing to fabricate it with, and even if they somehow did, they could have arrested him back at the time if they framed him and knew they'd planted matching DNA.
legsdiamond Member since May 05th 2011 79970 posts
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51. "all I'm saying is it can't be impossible" In response to Reply # 48
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Cops arrested the unemployed Lewis around 6 p.m. Saturday outside his home. They had approached him on Thursday, and Lewis voluntarily submitted a DNA sample when cops interviewed him, NYPD Chief of Detectives Robert Boyce said. The sample came back as a match to the DNA found under Vetrano’s fingernails as well as on her back and cell phone, Boyce said.
52. "Absolutely...both the defense and the family should get" In response to Reply # 50
independent DNA analysis run. But this is why I'm saying that faking is highly improbably. It is easy as heck for the defense to get another test ran on their client and if those results are completely different DNA than the fakes DNA which matches the crime scene, not only would he get off but they'd have lawsuits and criminal trials on hand for evidence tampering. As mentioned above it would be a different story if he had prior criminal history and his DNA had been on file, because then they could have faked the other side of the match by planting his matching DNA at the scene of the crime.
>If I were the family I'd request another test by an outside >agency
Atillah Moor Member since Sep 05th 2013 13825 posts
Wed Feb-08-17 11:41 AM
53. "personally I think the discrepancy would be likelihood of it being him" In response to Reply # 52 Wed Feb-08-17 11:57 AM by Atillah Moor
I don't think they faked anything, but I do have a feeling they are moving the goalpost as far as how likely he is as a suspect (as reported by the dna results).
49. "I just hope he did it." In response to Reply # 0
because the way the media has covered it, and the fact that he looks lowkey special needs, AND the history of Howard Beach w/some of that latter-20th Century 'CISM...
54. "man, i saw someone claim the father did it" In response to Reply # 0 Wed Feb-08-17 12:52 PM by MiracleRic
and did it for insurance money no less...niggas making up SVU plotlines with zero...basis of any facts...using intuition to not trust some shit doesn't mean write fan fiction yo
racism got us so noid that we dont even bother thinking shit through anymore
im cool with skepticism but the process you have to go through to create these new "scenarios" means you really didn't care about any of the shit anyway...victimization got us emulating middle american mental gymnastics...holy shit
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legsdiamond Member since May 05th 2011 79970 posts
Wed Feb-08-17 12:57 PM
55. "I do remember the father saying she had a troubled life" In response to Reply # 54
which was a little odd.
Something seems a little off with this case. Not even due to the race of the perp. Dude could be white as hell and I would say the same thing.
it definitely feels like some L&O shit
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56. "It does seem odd, but think it though..." In response to Reply # 55
If the father did it and is lying, that means that the police would also have to be involved in framing this dude and faking the DNA results. Multiple members of the police. If you get past that then think it though even further, and you have the issues we've discussed above with faking DNA results to incriminate someone who had no DNA on file.
It's obviously good to ask these questions and to not just take the police/media at their word, but you can't ignore the answers to those questions if they don't fit the perceived narrative.
legsdiamond Member since May 05th 2011 79970 posts
Wed Feb-08-17 03:01 PM
58. "bruh, that blue wall is real" In response to Reply # 56
they will definitely put their whole career on the line for dumb shit.
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According to the official, in Lewis' alleged confessions, he indicated that on the day of the murder, he was angry about something at home and left his family apartment. He said that he wandered into Spring Creek Park in Queens and that when he saw Vetrano, he just "lost it" and hit and choked her, according to the official. Lewis gave a detailed account of the attack but denied any sexual assault, according to the official. ABC News has not been able to determine whether Lewis had a lawyer present at the time he was recorded.
Lewis was first approached by police about the murder last week; he gave a voluntary DNA sample, which matched DNA recovered from the crime scene, police said. He was taken into custody on Saturday and charged with second-degree murder, police said.
Police have recovered evidence from Lewis' home, including clothing he may have been wearing at the time of the attack, the official said.
Lewis made his first appearance in court Sunday and did not enter a plea. The case is being presented to a grand jury to consider sexual assault charges.
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Atillah Moor Member since Sep 05th 2013 13825 posts
Wed Feb-08-17 03:29 PM
60. "the odds of someone just losing it and killing a stranger bare handed " In response to Reply # 59 Wed Feb-08-17 03:29 PM by Atillah Moor
then someone else comes along and rapes the body? Or they kill and rape the person and have no prior history of violence but then undergo one of the most personal forms of assault? lol come on man
is there any evidence he is slow beyond his photo?
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Atillah Moor Member since Sep 05th 2013 13825 posts
Wed Feb-08-17 03:57 PM
62. "I think it's unknown, but the article has this snippet" In response to Reply # 61
“He gave a detailed incriminating account of what happened — but he doesn’t really explain why it happened"
Somehow I'm getting the slow vibe from that statement, because if he did have a detailed description how would you not know your motivation? but I don't think there is anything official.
64. "it's one thing to admit killing someone and another to admit rape" In response to Reply # 60
at the same time...i really wouldn't find it that surprising if someone else stumbled upon a lifeless woman and raped her...sad but that's basically what the Stanford rapist basically did
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66. "definitely case by case" In response to Reply # 65
it may not be hard to get someone like that to parrot a confession but it's difficult to get them to give details unknown to the public or any consistent narrative that sounds believable
it's possible but difficult (on camera at least) for it to be very convincing...especially since he denied the rape
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69. "It's really not at all. " In response to Reply # 66
>it may not be hard to get someone like that to parrot a >confession but it's difficult to get them to give details >unknown to the public or any consistent narrative that sounds >believable
The cops can easily give him details unknown to the public and can fed him the narrative they want him to present on camera.
And no jury ever has seen a false confession of a black man admitting to killing a white woman and said "Even though he admitted to killing that woman, I just didn't find him saying it very convincing"
> >it's possible but difficult (on camera at least) for it to be >very convincing...especially since he denied the rape
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