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legsdiamond
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"any thoughts on unschooling/self-directed education?"


          

There is a new facility down the road from us that will focus on unschooling. Its basically letting the child learn at their pace. No set schedules. Sounds like some WPS but I'm open and my wife loves the idea because it's in walking distance.

We haven't discussed home schooling but recent stats showing the amount of Black kids suspended vs white kids in the CMS district is disturbing.

Thoughts?

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Similar to Montessori school? I went to one of those and loved it
Feb 06th 2017
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That's what I was thinking too..sounds a lot like Montessori ....
Feb 06th 2017
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this sounds like it may be good
Feb 06th 2017
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Unschooling?
Feb 06th 2017
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it's the correct term
Feb 09th 2017
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man. the way the run stuff down here it might be closed by then lol
Feb 06th 2017
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here are the major issues i've witnessed
Feb 07th 2017
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thanks!!!
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Thanks
Feb 07th 2017
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Homegirl just had to put her son in an alternative school because...
Feb 07th 2017
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Gonna see a LOT more of it now.
Feb 07th 2017
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Check out Akilah Richards Fare of the Free Child
Feb 07th 2017
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I wouldn't trust anyone homeschooling but myself.
Feb 08th 2017
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in urban areas "homeschooling" can be more expansive than trad schools
Feb 08th 2017
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exactly.
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I went to an open house last night..
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*Reply Completely Unrelated to This Post*
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how the fuck??? LMAO.
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      shit has been fucking bananas!!!
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           I have to follow on the ESPN app
Feb 09th 2017
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                Unfortunately I didn't see either game. The St. Bonnie finish was
Feb 09th 2017
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                     I have both apps but cbssports is stingy and doesnt air games live
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                          yeah, i think 3 teams will get in from the A10
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flipnile
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1. "Similar to Montessori school? I went to one of those and loved it"
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Mon Feb-06-17 10:25 AM by flipnile

          

We had a list of things to complete by the end of every week, and it was up to us to get it done how we saw fit. It's a great environment for kids that are nerds and self-starters, but I saw a lot of kids not make it because they couldn't keep their behaviour in check in the less-structured environment, or had trouble organizing themselves.

Edit: Doesn't sound like you are talking about a Montessori school tho.

  

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FLUIDJ
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3. "That's what I was thinking too..sounds a lot like Montessori ...."
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Sounds like they didn't want to pay for the certifications though lol...


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2. "this sounds like it may be good"
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for some younger learners, but I think routines actually help students remember schedules.

seems like it opens the door for folks to get lost.

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denny
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4. "Unschooling?"
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Damn...did they really have to use that word?

My biggest worry would be if there's not alot of other kids. One of the most important parts of school is simply learning how to mingle in large groups. I'd be open-minded to anything as long as they're learning some socialization skills along with everything else. My bio-daughter went to an alternative school that had an environmentalism slant. To be honest, I came to feel it was some bullshit near the end (i disagreed with indoctrinating them with the environmental politics which were ridiculous at times)....but still not a huge deal because there was hundreds of kids there. I knew I'd have lots of time to deprogram her from the environmental lobbyist shit. The upside is that they went on tons of nature-oriented field trips which was cool.

I'm sure there's lots of home-school success stories....but I think it puts them at risk of being socially stunted. I've seen it at birthday parties lol....the home-schooled kid is pretty easy to pick out. I'd also be wary of any small school that only has a handful of kids there.

  

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legsdiamond
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16. "it's the correct term "
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these folks are chilling to hard for my taste.

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5. "man. the way the run stuff down here it might be closed by then lol"
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6. "here are the major issues i've witnessed"
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in progressive, child-led inquiry focused education. some thoughts:

if you have racist teachers that set low expectations for children of color or ignorant/naive teachers who don't understand equity and access, progressive ed environments can be just as hostile as traditional ones.

a lot of white parents in progressive ed don't take into account their own privilege and can become hostile to parents who want to know about skills development practically and not theoretically. in my experience, the people who claim to be the most hard-core are often providing a whole lot of other resources for their children outside of school.

it is heartbreaking to see kids of color in progressive ed environments where the teachers, who aren't great at what they are supposed to be doing, get to claim that the children who aren't progressing... well that's just where they should be. meanwhile one kid has a project where they've made a full-length feature movie and another one built a rocket ship and this one has a piece of paper glued to a piece of cardboard. teachers who refuse to recognize the environment they create, the opportunities they offer and the socioeconomic status of the kids affect how the kids come to do self-directed work are the worst. gender bias can run rampant in this environment because it's child-directed -- with teachers oblivious to the fact that it didn't just happen to be the boys that all do this, or all the girls that do this activity.

assessments -- some teachers may think they do not need to assess kids in any manner shape or form because it's child-directed. if your child has developmental delays or other special needs and teachers do not have close relationships with evaluators, special ed teachers and understand child development, you can lose crucial months, years because the child is supposedly learning at their own pace. some issues can be corrected with appropriate services at the right time but can be more difficult to get a handle on if not addressed.

math -- good traditional math teachers are hard to find. being able to have math development fully integrated into a progressive/child-led inquiry curriculum is not easy at all. for math, and other skill sets, are you prepared to be able to teach it yourself if you do not feel like your child is gaining the skills they need?

external resources -- i think you have to really know your child well to do this to be a partner in this type of learning. if it isn't enough structure, does your child need another activity whether they develop stamina, discipline, routines? will you be able to work with the teacher or do the teachers feel like they are the holders of the teaching philosophy and parents shouldn't have anything to say because it's "child-directed."

still, project-based (and child-directed) collaborative work is so wonderful for children at a young age. when this type of education does work well, it is completely amazing to watch how your child grows.

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7. "thanks!!! "
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9. "Thanks"
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>in progressive, child-led inquiry focused education. some
>thoughts:
>
>if you have racist teachers that set low expectations for
>children of color or ignorant/naive teachers who don't
>understand equity and access, progressive ed environments can
>be just as hostile as traditional ones.
>
>a lot of white parents in progressive ed don't take into
>account their own privilege and can become hostile to parents
>who want to know about skills development practically and not
>theoretically. in my experience, the people who claim to be
>the most hard-core are often providing a whole lot of other
>resources for their children outside of school.
>
>it is heartbreaking to see kids of color in progressive ed
>environments where the teachers, who aren't great at what they
>are supposed to be doing, get to claim that the children who
>aren't progressing... well that's just where they should be.
>meanwhile one kid has a project where they've made a
>full-length feature movie and another one built a rocket ship
>and this one has a piece of paper glued to a piece of
>cardboard. teachers who refuse to recognize the environment
>they create, the opportunities they offer and the
>socioeconomic status of the kids affect how the kids come to
>do self-directed work are the worst. gender bias can run
>rampant in this environment because it's child-directed --
>with teachers oblivious to the fact that it didn't just happen
>to be the boys that all do this, or all the girls that do this
>activity.
>
>assessments -- some teachers may think they do not need to
>assess kids in any manner shape or form because it's
>child-directed. if your child has developmental delays or
>other special needs and teachers do not have close
>relationships with evaluators, special ed teachers and
>understand child development, you can lose crucial months,
>years because the child is supposedly learning at their own
>pace. some issues can be corrected with appropriate services
>at the right time but can be more difficult to get a handle on
>if not addressed.
>
>math -- good traditional math teachers are hard to find. being
>able to have math development fully integrated into a
>progressive/child-led inquiry curriculum is not easy at all.
>for math, and other skill sets, are you prepared to be able to
>teach it yourself if you do not feel like your child is
>gaining the skills they need?
>
>external resources -- i think you have to really know your
>child well to do this to be a partner in this type of
>learning. if it isn't enough structure, does your child need
>another activity whether they develop stamina, discipline,
>routines? will you be able to work with the teacher or do the
>teachers feel like they are the holders of the teaching
>philosophy and parents shouldn't have anything to say because
>it's "child-directed."
>
>still, project-based (and child-directed) collaborative work
>is so wonderful for children at a young age. when this type of
>education does work well, it is completely amazing to watch
>how your child grows.
>


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8. "Homegirl just had to put her son in an alternative school because..."
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Tue Feb-07-17 10:22 AM by Creole

  

          

he has impulse control issues but is awesome academically. The school he was attending thought it was just better to suspend the kid for the smallest of shit that we would get away back in the day and that white kids get away with all of the time.

Damned shame!

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10. "Gonna see a LOT more of it now."
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Since they confirmed ol' girl.


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11. "Check out Akilah Richards Fare of the Free Child"
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Tue Feb-07-17 07:55 PM by Mori

          

She is very open and visionary about unschooling. I think it is a brilliant idea and the best way to prepare our children for the future of work.

The hardest part for me is I don't want to be home 24 -7 teaching my child. Call me selfish but it is exhausting and I like that she goes to school, has a schedule and has a different relationship with her teacher.

This is a growing movement and more black families are noticing the pitfalls of white educational systems even if they are elite and challenging.
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12. "I wouldn't trust anyone homeschooling but myself."
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Wed Feb-08-17 11:31 AM by TheAlbionist

  

          

...and so I don't think it should be a thing that I'm allowed to do either because, let's face it, I'll just teach them to be like me... and what if I'm stupid, damaged or just plain wrong about stuff without realising? I feel minorly the same way about smaller educational institutions... church schools run by weird little bigots and the like trying to pump out weird little clones for the wars to come.

Unschooling is an extremely troubling term. I'm sure it's better than it sounds.

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13. "in urban areas "homeschooling" can be more expansive than trad schools"
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there are people "homeschooling" who take classes with other "homeschooled" kids at museums or do sports or field trips with other kids. homeschoolers are not only people who are trying to keep their children narrow-minded and inside the house. there are people who have bizarre work schedules but work around schooling their kids during the other hours; there are parents of color who just don't want white supremacist indoctrination for their kids or just don't have any good public school options and it makes sense for one parent to stay home financially rather than pay an entire salary in child care, etc.

i'm not advocating for homeschooling, progressive education, unschooling or any philosophy but "homeschooling" is no longer only parents who are trying to shelter their children. there are many resources out there for homeschooling that can be broader than any traditional public school.

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14. "exactly. "
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>...and so I don't think it should be a thing that I'm allowed
>to do either because, let's face it, I'll just teach them to
>be like me... and what if I'm stupid, damaged or just plain
>wrong about stuff without realising? I feel minorly the same
>way about smaller educational institutions... church schools
>run by weird little bigots and the like trying to pump out
>weird little clones for the wars to come.


Yep. and that's EXACTLY where we're headed.


>
>Unschooling is an extremely troubling term. I'm sure it's
>better than it sounds.

agreed.

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legsdiamond
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15. "I went to an open house last night.."
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this shit sounds like day care for teenagers.

the teachers were on some hippy shit and all I kept hearing was how the kids and teachers hated public school but they never said why.

when these folks said one kid visits India for 2 weeks and they still mark him present because he is out in the world learning I got up and left.

FOH



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17. "*Reply Completely Unrelated to This Post*"
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Bruh! Did you see these past two Rams wins!?!?!! HOLY SHIT!!

  

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18. "how the fuck??? LMAO. "
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19. "shit has been fucking bananas!!!"
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i had a game last night so i was listening to the end on the radio. sat out in front of my house listening to the end because i didn't think i'd have enough time to get inside, turn on the tv, find the right channel and shit before it was over.

dude, when they fouled lewis the announcer LOST HIS MIND!! haha it was so funny/awesome. i honestly couldn't believe it. two games in a row on some CRAZY shit!

  

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20. "I have to follow on the ESPN app"
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St Bonnie's game I thought they lost then I checked back to see if they had highlights or maybe they turn a 3 into a 2 on replay and see they are in OT

The play by play descriptions made no sense for both games. How the fuck is JQ shooting FT's with no time left?

The GW foul was the correct call. I see teams try that play all the time and it never works. Can't believe they put a 7fter in cold off the bench.

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21. "Unfortunately I didn't see either game. The St. Bonnie finish was"
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Thu Feb-09-17 11:11 AM by KiloMcG

  

          

even more bizarre. But I think it was the right call, and an extremely heads up play by Johnny. Last night's play call was perfectly executed and GW took the bait. Excellent coaching by Wade.

Most of the games are broadcast on CBS sportsnet or NBC sportsnet, which is great because almost every game is on tv this year.

But honestly, I'm not sure I could have watched last night. Not sure my emotions would have handled it haha, it was exciting enough just listening on the radio. Which is another way to follow if you can't watch. Fox sports 910 has an iheart channel and all the games are broadcast on that station.

  

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22. "I have both apps but cbssports is stingy and doesnt air games live"
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or maybe it's regional.

NBCSports is on point tho.

I still think we are ok the bubble but our rep should get us in even if we don't win the A10 tourney.

I almost feel bad for Shaka, he is about to get the boot if they don't turn it around next year.

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23. "yeah, i think 3 teams will get in from the A10"
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so if we win it (obviously) or close to the top of the conference we should be good for the tourney. not as strong of a conference this year where in the past 4-5 teams have gotten in.

i haven't paid much attention to Texas. i know earlier in the season they were ranked. where they at now? sounds like struggling a little bit.

  

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