Now that they see for realsies what he was up against, the agenda of those who will replace him and the awful choices of leadership of the opposition?

For example, a lot of these folks would say that he didn't do enough against Police Brutality but in comparison to his predecessors and his successors the fact that he spoke out against it and put together a justice department that was willing to investigate it is radical in itself.

I am wondering if those folks will admit that they will miss him when he is gone?


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"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

I don't see anything wrong with criticizing Obama, wanting him to do more while also appreciating him AND acknowledging he was up against some fuck shit. Most wanted him to fight harder.

Those who hated him and are glad he is out? Those black folk will never admit their expectations were beyond reason.

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to the fire.

Let's all stan

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"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

Trump supporters ? Disappointed Liberals ?

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"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

I would like to hear the answer to that too.

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Look, weather folks want to believe it or not Trump got a lot of Obama votes.

And everyone should ask themselves how that happened.

I mean, at this point it doesn't do much good to go back forth over Obama unless it results in the Dems/Left/Obama stans learning lessons and fixing things for the future.

But Obama had a chance to be a President that could have transformed this country for the better for generations. He had a mandate that he went soft on. He was soft on the banks, rather meek on jobs, and worried too much about what the other side thought of him.

And he is a terrible, terrible salesman as a President. A fact Obama admitted himself in an interview on Sunday- he didn't sell the successes he did have.

If Obama and the Dems had their sh!t together even from a communcation, selling, message standpoint- no Trump.

I mean there are people out there who think ACA and Obamacare are TWO DIFFERENT THINGS.

Yeah, Murrica. But, that's on Obama and them to ensure EVERYONE knows what they have to lose.

Meh...either way, putting your head in the sand and saying "Obama was great! F8ck those haters at now??" is just another way Dems are setting themselves up to not even LEARN from their mistakes.


Also, it can be both ways. Obama can be hands down the best President of my life time (he was), and also a tremendous disappointment.

Those things aren't, and shouldn't be, mutually exclusive.

Dr. West is right- the army of Obama stans (hi Okayplayer) are/have been a problem. You shouldn't worship a politician- especially one who simply, did NOT do all he could.

And the "happy now?" message isn't even clever.

Of course we would all prefer Obama. Clinton. Hell, we'd prefer f*cking Romney at this point.

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I don't consider that a result of poor messaging but rather people believe what they want to believe.


>Look, weather folks want to believe it or not Trump got a lot
>of Obama votes.
>
>And everyone should ask themselves how that happened.
>
>I mean, at this point it doesn't do much good to go back forth
>over Obama unless it results in the Dems/Left/Obama stans
>learning lessons and fixing things for the future.
>
>But Obama had a chance to be a President that could have
>transformed this country for the better for generations. He
>had a mandate that he went soft on. He was soft on the banks,
>rather meek on jobs, and worried too much about what the other
>side thought of him.
>
>And he is a terrible, terrible salesman as a President. A
>fact Obama admitted himself in an interview on Sunday- he
>didn't sell the successes he did have.
>
>If Obama and the Dems had their sh!t together even from a
>communcation, selling, message standpoint- no Trump.
>
>I mean there are people out there who think ACA and Obamacare
>are TWO DIFFERENT THINGS.
>
>Yeah, Murrica. But, that's on Obama and them to ensure
>EVERYONE knows what they have to lose.
>
>Meh...either way, putting your head in the sand and saying
>"Obama was great! F8ck those haters at now??" is just another
>way Dems are setting themselves up to not even LEARN from
>their mistakes.
>
>
>Also, it can be both ways. Obama can be hands down the best
>President of my life time (he was), and also a tremendous
>disappointment.
>
>Those things aren't, and shouldn't be, mutually exclusive.
>
>Dr. West is right- the army of Obama stans (hi Okayplayer)
>are/have been a problem. You shouldn't worship a politician-
>especially one who simply, did NOT do all he could.
>
>And the "happy now?" message isn't even clever.
>
>Of course we would all prefer Obama. Clinton. Hell, we'd
>prefer f*cking Romney at this point.
>
>
>
>


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succinct but precise

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The reign of Obama did not produce the nightmare of Donald Trump – but it did contribute to it. And those Obama cheerleaders who refused to make him accountable bear some responsibility.

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Yesterday it was about who he didn't pardon.
The day before it was about fearing of how he'll be portrayed as the voice of America
The days before that it was about drones and imperialism
The days before that it was how Obama was weak and led to Trump


I've just stopped following certain people as a result.

The man and his legacy has faults, but they pail in comparison to the crisis to our existence that we're facing.

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He isnt a dictator.

I agree he could of done more in some aspects but he can't just do what he wants or be the president for just black people only.

Which is sad cause the guy coming in will probably do what he wants and not get checked on it.

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He just has to not be a corporate, hawkish neoliberal. Which is what he was. There's no shame in admitting that. He's not your uncle.

The office is shitty. The role is shitty. But that man did well at a shitty job.

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Christ, this is embarrassing.

So why should Obama be criticized more harshly than others when he's been better than most every one of them.
Add that onto to the fact that he's now sandwiched between two constitutional crises, it's like yelling about the asbestos problem while an arsonist is pouring gasoline around the building.

I have no faith in smarty art better than everyone else niggas. Just because you can be aware of how a person is enough to see their faults, the means of expression ring hollow when the best isn't good enough for to denote progress.

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>So why should Obama be criticized more harshly than others

So it loses meaning. They treat Obama like Bush and Reagan like Obama
And here we are with the president walking out being judged more harshly than a threat to everyone's existence.

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I think Black people are too sensitive about criticisms of the first Black president. As evidence by all the laughable pearl-clutching in this post.

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"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

Lincoln contemplated keeping slavery if it would keep the country together

Here's what Teddy had to say about the Native Americans
In 1886, Roosevelt criticized the morals of Indians he had seen:
I don't go so far as to think that the only good Indians are dead Indians, but I believe nine out of ten are, and I shouldn't like to inquire too closely into the case of the tenth. The most vicious cowboy has more moral principle than the average Indian. Turn three hundred low families of New York into New Jersey, support them for fifty years in vicious idleness, and you will have some idea of what the Indians are. Reckless, revengeful, fiendishly cruel, they rob and murder, not the cowboys, who can take care of themselves, but the defenseless, lone settlers on the plains.

He was also a proponent of eugenics


FDR entrenched a lot of racial inequality which stunted the benefits for minorities
http://www.digitalhistory.uh.edu/disp_textbook.cfm?smtid=2&psid=3447



All imperfect presidents who did more good than bad, but still did a lot of shitty things at the expense of citizens.

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Who gives a shit what Lincoln contemplated? I care that he ultimately freed all black people in bondage.

Yeah if the criteria who had the purest unracist thoughts, all Presidents fail, (and most people too).

I am more concerned about measurable good for black people and the country as the whole.


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"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

Or Abe?

My question was who was better. And illuminating how they were all shitty in different ways shows that people that criticize Obama without taking a look at other people are being myopic.

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quality of these Presidents?

I am not sure what we are disagreeing about.


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"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

I'm playing. I don't think we're disagreeing.

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I contend

1. It's ok to be mad and critical of obama even as a black person

2. Typical black critics traditionally ignore how shitty presidents are in general

3. Asked to name other presidents better

4. When names were presented by another poster, I then pointed out their critical flaws too.

5. Reminded that all presidents are shitty and that in the small sample we've had Obama has been one of the best.

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?

Reagan admin created the crack epidemic. Did whatever the fuck they wanted. Mad ppl criticized it...Did they stop doing it? Nope.

Bush appeared weak and was by most accounts a well liked play by the rules kinda guy. Lasted one term.

Clinton put more people behind bars then anyone and probably fucked everything not nailen down. He did wtf he wanted to do.

Bush 2 started a war to avenge his dad. Country damn near went bankrupt and his cronies pocketed that war bread. Did wtf he wanted to do.

But Obama. Ohhh poor helpless powerless play by the rules let's not piss off the white people ass Obama. Oh nooow we gotta cross the t's & for the i's.

And I don't blame him for it whatsoever.

I blame us. Or better...People who refused to hold him accountable.

We had a chance to enact real purposeful pro black policies at the highest fucking level in those first 2 years. The world was with us. and out of a greater fear for white people than love for black people...

He squandered literally the greatest opportunity to equalize this country that we have ever seen. Because we let him.

I'm not mad at him. I don't hate him. I respect his skills etc. I'm mad at us. I hate the constant ducking of the head, the constant obsequious groveling that we do without anyone asking us to on all levels.

He can't be president of black America? Why the fuck not? Was Reagan, *your* president. Did he speak for you or did his policies negatively impact you?

How abt Clinton? Or Bush?

Has any POTUS ever!! Spoke for you, specifically and said loud and proud, black people I hear you, I'm with you and let's let the world know?

But they'll speak Spanish tho.

They'll paint the white house in a rsinbow color.

We deserve that treatment. We put him in office.

He didn't do close to enough

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"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

Black people who were his most vocal advocates.

He was a gay rights president. They should name Midtown ATL after him.

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Obamatown

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laughs.

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Swear, y'all impressed just cause a nigga can spin a basketball on his finger, walk wit a sturt and use some slang.

and cuz people (for now) can't be denied healthcare because of preexisting conditions

and cuz he began to mend fences with Cuba

and cuz he pretty much saved the US auto industry, which accounts for over 1 million jobs

and cuz banks can't raise your interest rates without informing you first

and cuz of the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay act

and cuz of the fact that gays can now marry

and cuz no federal employee is allowed to be fired for being gay

and cuz he appointed two women and the first ever Latina to the Supreme Court

and cuz his cabinet was the most diverse in the history of the country

and cuz we've had 6 years of consistent job growth, which is the longest streak in the history of our country

and cuz he had zero personal scandals his entire time in office

and cuz he always carried himself with dignity, respected everyone he spoke to, showed an example of what it means to be an intelligent rational adult who cares and is compassionate toward others (we won't see this kind of presidential behavior for at least the next 4 years)

and cuz he projected a positive image of a loving, Black family for the world to see, and that has had an immeasurable impact on the Black children that have grown up with him as their President..

...oh i'm sorry i'm supposed to be talking about slang and basketball, right? my bad

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And both were the right thing to do.

Here I go. - mystikal

Barack is being elevated to a MLK level of adoration in our community and it's undeserved.

His personal conduct and relationship with wife and family, whilee admirable are not what I base my approval on.

Under his administration, black people in aggregate have lost wealth in the billions. Look up the homeownership rates.

Our political power base is basically hollowed out. We used to have cities where we ran shit. Now? No. Is that his fault? No but it did happen under his watch.

For black people the legacy of these years will be black lives matter and whether that movement will continue or fade away, not whether the coalition Barack proved existed can carry on.

He was a middle of the road, equivocating triangulating, milquetoast ass POTUS. He was not progressive. Not conservative. He was in the middle.

I'm sorry if the best thing abt him was his wife but that's the breaks.

All these other diversions and red herrings y'all throwing out are immaterial

Assata still in Havana. Mumia still dying slowly in a prison cell. Peltier still locked down. Etc.

But he's gone now and I look fwd to the immense amounts of fellatio y'all will heap on em in the coming yrs for singing al green in public a couple times.

And if you think tavis, Cornell, etc went in on his ass...Wait til you see and read how they gonna do Trump

Bottom line, he couldn't even say anything abt you for the first six years of his administration for free it'd piss off white people. Yes I get why. No I'm not gonna knob slob or give him a pass because of it.

>Here I go. - mystikal
>
>Barack is being elevated to a MLK level of adoration in our
>community and it's undeserved.

>His personal conduct and relationship with wife and family,
>whilee admirable are not what I base my approval on.

>Under his administration, black people in aggregate have lost
>wealth in the billions. Look up the homeownership rates.
>
>Our political power base is basically hollowed out. We used to
>have cities where we ran shit. Now? No. Is that his fault? No
>but it did happen under his watch.
>
>For black people the legacy of these years will be black lives
>matter and whether that movement will continue or fade away,
>not whether the coalition Barack proved existed can carry on.
>
>He was a middle of the road, equivocating triangulating,
>milquetoast ass POTUS. He was not progressive. Not
>conservative. He was in the middle.
>
>I'm sorry if the best thing abt him was his wife but that's
>the breaks.
>
>All these other diversions and red herrings y'all throwing out
>are immaterial
>
>Assata still in Havana. Mumia still dying slowly in a prison
>cell. Peltier still locked down. Etc.
>
>But he's gone now and I look fwd to the immense amounts of
>fellatio y'all will heap on em in the coming yrs for singing
>al green in public a couple times.
>
>And if you think tavis, Cornell, etc went in on his ass...Wait
>til you see and read how they gonna do Trump
>
>Bottom line, he couldn't even say anything abt you for the
>first six years of his administration for free it'd piss off
>white people. Yes I get why. No I'm not gonna knob slob or
>give him a pass because of it.

>Here I go. - mystikal
>
>Barack is being elevated to a MLK level of adoration in our
>community and it's undeserved.
>
>His personal conduct and relationship with wife and family,
>whilee admirable are not what I base my approval on.
>
>Under his administration, black people in aggregate have lost
>wealth in the billions. Look up the homeownership rates.
>
>Our political power base is basically hollowed out. We used to
>have cities where we ran shit. Now? No. Is that his fault? No
>but it did happen under his watch.
>
>For black people the legacy of these years will be black lives
>matter and whether that movement will continue or fade away,
>not whether the coalition Barack proved existed can carry on.
>
>He was a middle of the road, equivocating triangulating,
>milquetoast ass POTUS. He was not progressive. Not
>conservative. He was in the middle.
>
>I'm sorry if the best thing abt him was his wife but that's
>the breaks.
>
>All these other diversions and red herrings y'all throwing out
>are immaterial
>
>Assata still in Havana. Mumia still dying slowly in a prison
>cell. Peltier still locked down. Etc.
>
>But he's gone now and I look fwd to the immense amounts of
>fellatio y'all will heap on em in the coming yrs for singing
>al green in public a couple times.
>
>And if you think tavis, Cornell, etc went in on his ass...Wait
>til you see and read how they gonna do Trump
>
>Bottom line, he couldn't even say anything abt you for the
>first six years of his administration for free it'd piss off
>white people. Yes I get why. No I'm not gonna knob slob or
>give him a pass because of it.

Let me know when you would like him to come back.

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undue whatever damage Trump does. And y'all would still be on that bull talking about "oh, there's just so much a President can do..." or Obama's the President of the United States not the President of Black people...

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You guys are on some the world is ending...don't you wish y'all had Obama back nonsense. Either the Presidency has more power than what was demonstrated with Obama (i.e., he could've done more) or you guys just need to calm the hell down. Pick one.

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And much of the shit that trump is doing currently is either an extension or variant of what Obama was doing.

Obama is easily the best advocate for LBGTQ rights in the history of the office, which is huge...everything else is profoundly disappointing considering both the mandate he came in with, and the tenor of the nation when he came in office.

>And much of the shit that trump is doing currently is either
>an extension or variant of what Obama was doing.
>
>Obama is easily the best advocate for LBGTQ rights in the
>history of the office, which is huge...everything else is
>profoundly disappointing considering both the mandate he came
>in with, and the tenor of the nation when he came in office.
>
>

Obama put deported more immigrants than any president ever. The BUILD A WALL!!!! is just an extension of that (a remarkably stupid one, but...)

The countries that Trump is banning "muslim" immigrants from? Obama has been bombing the shit out of, or threatening to bomb the shit out of for the past 6+ years

Betsy DeVos and Arne Duncan BOTH want to privatize public education, and both were/are shitty as fuck.

Obamacare is an insurance industry subsidy that should have had caps on the premiums. How much you want to bet that the version that Trump introduces is going to be largely the same bill with minor, exploitative tweaks to them?

the police state that Trump has the potential to absolutely abuse was clearly expanded under Obama. Voter Suppression was never even really *mentioned* by the last administration, when it easily could have been a campaign platform.

Obama's shitty policies will absolutely make Trump's tyranny easier. Get past the men, and look at the policy