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Mori
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"Are brown people too dependent on white nations?"


          

All the brown folks are afraid. Of Trump? Of Brexit? Like seriously, these power systems are no smarter or more capable than we are. Fuck em and let's build our own shit.

Boycotting the inauguration don't meet shit. Why not just keep building ourselves and our nations?

I think to some degree, white power systems know that our weakness is organization and structure. If we can master organization and structure we can build up our little communities, no matter how small.

All these fear of white power shit is so ridiculous to me and we need to align ourselves with other brown super powers like Nigeria, S. Africa, Kenya, Ghana. Jamaica etc.

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Building is our only option. At the same time tho, white savagery is the
Jan 16th 2017
1
So are we saying that White People can outpower us?
Jan 17th 2017
12
What? I dunno how you got that outta what I typed.
Jan 17th 2017
20
Successful Black "liberation" movements
Jan 17th 2017
27
      Name 10 standing *strong* in 2017
Jan 17th 2017
28
      Right now, who needs White tourists and expats when
Jan 18th 2017
38
Detroit? Zimbabwe?
Sep 10th 2017
48
Thank you.
Sep 10th 2017
49
we building this within this/their system?
Jan 16th 2017
2
That's my question. Build our own power system within theirs?
Jan 17th 2017
9
      Independent Power Systems are possible
Jan 17th 2017
13
ease up on that armrest fam.
Jan 17th 2017
3
Making it seem like it's all so simple right? Like no one else has been
Jan 17th 2017
6
You have no idea what I do or how I mobilize
Jan 17th 2017
14
      That's correct. And you're making an assumption that a collective
Jan 17th 2017
           You may be right Fluid but black people can't bring these folks on board
Jan 19th 2017
39
I'm sorry are we talking about reality here?
Jan 17th 2017
4
Yes
Jan 17th 2017
5
I think YES and that will also keep us as victims
Jan 17th 2017
17
      you are correct. Whatever the solution it has to happen away from here
Jan 18th 2017
31
You need capital and resources to build what you describe.
Jan 17th 2017
7
And the willingness to abandon something that you played a major
Jan 17th 2017
8
Most people talking that shit will never leave America
Jan 17th 2017
11
Where we gonna go? Seems like no one really likes us
Jan 17th 2017
15
Black Americans are unique and every right as White Americans
Jan 17th 2017
25
If the Pyramids were built by the Elohim does that make them ours?
Jan 18th 2017
32
      only if we stuck around to maintain them
Sep 11th 2017
53
Black and Brown people have resources
Jan 17th 2017
16
Apparently so.
Oct 25th 2017
62
And some expertise, know-how, etc. to put all that to
Jan 18th 2017
37
Can we talk about these superpowers?
Jan 17th 2017
10
Marijuana, Music, Natural Resources make you a Black Superpower
Jan 17th 2017
18
COINTELPRO 2k et al. knew you were posting this 7 days ago
Jan 17th 2017
19
So knowing this, should we just resign to White Power?
Jan 17th 2017
21
      Pretty much.
Jan 18th 2017
33
unfortunately you have to deal with white folk in Jamaica
Jan 17th 2017
23
Also, White life values and respects individual freedom.
Sep 09th 2017
44
      no it doesn't
Sep 10th 2017
45
Not only that but their best and brightest, the people that
Jan 18th 2017
36
Aka the good black soccer national teams
Jan 19th 2017
40
Have you read any history on this subject?
Jan 17th 2017
22
they got some shit that will blow out our back..
Jan 17th 2017
24
Thank you for this response.
Jan 17th 2017
26
my bad, are you a brother from another planet?
Jan 17th 2017
29
obsessing over them doesn't help
Jan 17th 2017
30
RE: Thank you for this response.
Jan 21st 2017
43
      I knew you were Trill when you said Neely Fuller, but
Sep 10th 2017
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Jamaica and Singapore once had the same GDP
Sep 11th 2017
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      Jamaica: another country that socialism ruined.
Sep 11th 2017
60
Yes.
Jan 18th 2017
34
*raises black fist in the air*
Jan 18th 2017
35
HAHAHAHAHA
Jan 20th 2017
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lmao
Sep 10th 2017
46
Because yall afraid of whiteness and white supremacy
Jan 20th 2017
42
Nah. It's because we've gotten too comfortable with our place in
Sep 11th 2017
51
great plan. meanwhile real life is happening
Sep 10th 2017
47
Incredible Bloomberg article/interview with Aliko Dangote (long swipe)
Sep 11th 2017
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baby, that horse is WAY out of the barn.
Sep 11th 2017
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RE: baby, that horse is WAY out of the barn.
Sep 11th 2017
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Dont nobody want NK.
Sep 11th 2017
59
they just slaughtered an uncontacted tribe in the Amazon
Sep 11th 2017
57
Shook ones posting in here. I got you, Mori. *heads to gun shop*
Sep 11th 2017
58
all of the resources are effectively controlled by white or asian people
Sep 11th 2017
61
Very dependent as well as too dependent
Oct 26th 2017
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Exodus
Oct 26th 2017
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It has to start somewhere
Oct 26th 2017
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      thats fair...
Oct 26th 2017
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           We don’t have to stay dependent on the system though...
Oct 26th 2017
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                In theory, yes that would work.
Oct 27th 2017
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                     RE: In theory, yes that would work.
Oct 27th 2017
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                          We always talk about unplugging
Oct 27th 2017
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                          The answer is no... people don’t want to give up those things
Oct 27th 2017
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                          going back to my comment about leadership...
Oct 27th 2017
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                               Honestly I believe we’re more fearful than skeptical
Oct 27th 2017
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                                    lol. like, some house nigga shit ?
Oct 27th 2017
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                                         RE: lol. like, some house nigga shit?
Oct 27th 2017
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It can be done.......if people are willing to take things all the way.
Oct 26th 2017
67
this post is too much a mess to know where to begin
Oct 26th 2017
69
Expect war.
Oct 27th 2017
71
      best defense is a good offense - kim jung iller
Nov 21st 2017
83
How do we unite billions of ppl around a fictional identifier?
Oct 27th 2017
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RE: How do we unite billions of ppl around a fictional identifier?
Oct 27th 2017
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      true.
Oct 27th 2017
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           RE: true.
Oct 28th 2017
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Boogie Stimuli
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1. "Building is our only option. At the same time tho, white savagery is the"
In response to Reply # 0


          

reason we're in the predicament we're in.
The context of our disorganization is
similar to that of a Tulsa, Oklahoma
where they step in and destroy (one way
or another) anything we build.
We can't let that stop us from strategizing
and building, but we also can't afford
to perpetuate the narrative that our
peoples' fear is inherent and without
cause. Yes, we have too build, but we
have to learn from the past and what has
happened EVERY time we have tried to gain
true liberation and independence if we're
going to actually get anywhere.

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Mori
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12. "So are we saying that White People can outpower us?"
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If we keep thinking of examples of where white people destroyed something we built, it just reinforces the notion that we cannot sustain ourselves.

Have we destroyed anything that they have built? Should we? I am starting to wonder i f we are so defeatist after so many years of bondage that we can't think ourselves out of their domination.

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20. "What? I dunno how you got that outta what I typed."
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This is just basic logic.
If someone's attacking everything you do,
you better know what they're up to, and be
PREPARED for it. That's all I'm saying.
We keep getting blindsided due to lack
of preparation. This applies to everything
from a simple street fight to building a
nation. Racists are not going to just
sit back and watch us build. I clearly
said we have to continue to build, but
have a plan in place for when they start
tripping. We can't be naive.

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Mori
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27. "Successful Black "liberation" movements"
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I would say that the independent African and Caribbean nations are successful. If they can continue to ensure that their land and resources are not pillaged by tourists, military bases and expats.

I also think that most people have a knee jerk response, "But every time we try to build, they shut us down." That should now be, we know their ways and when they tried to destroy us, we responded strategically.

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28. "Name 10 standing *strong* in 2017"
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38. "Right now, who needs White tourists and expats when "
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when their Black liberators are the ones doing the pillaging?

If they can continue to ensure that
>their land and resources are not pillaged by tourists,
>military bases and expats.
>

Rest In Peace, Bad News Brown

  

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48. "Detroit? Zimbabwe? "
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>Have we destroyed anything that they have built?

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49. "Thank you."
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>reason we're in the predicament we're in.
>The context of our disorganization is
>similar to that of a Tulsa, Oklahoma
>where they step in and destroy (one way
>or another) anything we build.
>We can't let that stop us from strategizing
>and building, but we also can't afford
>to perpetuate the narrative that our
>peoples' fear is inherent and without
>cause. Yes, we have too build, but we
>have to learn from the past and what has
>happened EVERY time we have tried to gain
>true liberation and independence if we're
>going to actually get anywhere.


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2. "we building this within this/their system? "
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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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9. "That's my question. Build our own power system within theirs?"
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Because that's still not independent at all. Or start a completely separate country somewhere with a power system that IS independent? Putting the "starting own country" thing aside, I'm not sure if even that would actually be "independent" of the current power system.

  

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13. "Independent Power Systems are possible"
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I truly believe that white people are, have and will continue to create independent power systems.

Brown people are also creating them and they are flourishing around the world but so many of us still think the white man's water is better. Or we think we must become them, align with them or kiss up to them to reap the benefits.

Now if you are in the system and have no plans to leave, then yes, but if you feel confident to function in another Brown or black dominant country, then fuck white nations.

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3. "ease up on that armrest fam. "
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6. "Making it seem like it's all so simple right? Like no one else has been"
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trying to tackle these issues.

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"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

  

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14. "You have no idea what I do or how I mobilize"
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Make no assumptions that I am on a arm rest. I am from a black dominant nation. I have worked in hospitals in black nations building up doctors, nurses and healing systems.

I noticed that our nations did great when we were very insular, but when white "aid" like Mercy Ships strolled through it affected the moral, confidence and systematic flow that the brown nations created.

The problem is we kept letting their asses into the country.

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"That's correct. And you're making an assumption that a collective "


  

          

group of people with similar complexions all share in the belief that "white nations" are the end all and be all of boogie men.

You pose very open ended questions that have been presented numerous times over the decades...

The new world order IS very much here fam. And that order pretty much makes ANY one group of people having a viable, self sustaining, fully independent nation a non-starter.

>Make no assumptions that I am on a arm rest. I am from a
>black dominant nation. I have worked in hospitals in black
>nations building up doctors, nurses and healing systems.

a black dominant nation? or a black majority nation? How's that working out for you and yours? By now, you should surely have discovered that the humankind and the divisions within it will only prosper when they cooperate and work towards a common goal of human progress. Any movement focused solely on the progress and dominance of one faction will ultimately fail, because that's simply not how human existence works in the modern age.

>I noticed that our nations did great when we were very
>insular, but when white "aid" like Mercy Ships strolled
>through it affected the moral, confidence and systematic flow
>that the brown nations created.

When was this now? I'm all ears.

>The problem is we kept letting their asses into the country.

That's only a small fraction of the problem. Look deeper to discover that the real problems were/are sourced from within the human conditions of greed, selfishness, ego, and lack of compassion for humankind.

"Get ready....for your blessing....."

  

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39. "You may be right Fluid but black people can't bring these folks on board"
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Thu Jan-19-17 01:37 PM by Atillah Moor

  

          

for any kind of peace or prosperity for humanity at large and until that is something they (capital White people) want black people will have to do for themselves until others want to ally with us

  

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4. "I'm sorry are we talking about reality here?"
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5. "Yes "
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17. "I think YES and that will also keep us as victims"
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Watching this Obama phase out and Trump ascension has made me realize that we need America more than they need us.

This has shifted our sense of safety and comfort. I have started to explore how to be an asset in of myself without any dependency on Federal support.

It only leads to low morale, disappointment and generational self perceptions of low value.

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31. "you are correct. Whatever the solution it has to happen away from here "
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7. "You need capital and resources to build what you describe. "
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"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

  

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8. "And the willingness to abandon something that you played a major "
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role in creating in the first place.....speaking from an American standpoint here....

This IS ours as much as it's anybody else's..



"Get ready....for your blessing....."

  

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11. "Most people talking that shit will never leave America"
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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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15. "Where we gonna go? Seems like no one really likes us"
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I thought about leaving, but I can't figure out to where. Everywhere seems either racist, exclusionary or really poor. Also, from what I've researched it seem hard-as-fuck to become a permanent citizen of many other countries coming from the US.

Marcus n'em was supposed to have figured this out for us.

  

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25. "Black Americans are unique and every right as White Americans"
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HOWEVER, we still created our own communities.

While I hate grouping people, in our current political climate group politics are real and have an impact on policy.

White rich Trump supporters are no different than poor white trump supporters.
They both want the same thing and they are getting it.

BTW, I think Obama was great and really did great things for working low income people.

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32. "If the Pyramids were built by the Elohim does that make them ours? "
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53. "only if we stuck around to maintain them"
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Let me sport my Air Hyperbole 2010s in peace. (c) ansomble

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16. "Black and Brown people have resources"
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Many of us in parts of Africa and Latin America are walking over oil, minerals, fertile soil. My question is, "Do white people have a better grasp on using the same resources to build their nations?"

If we give two equally empowered people, one black and one white the same resources, I believe we can create the same thing. But will we do it now, knowing that white nations have a systematic approach that we can just slide in on.

Money is an illusion. Black people are some of the most resourceful people on the planet.

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62. "Apparently so. "
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Rest In Peace, Bad News Brown

  

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37. "And some expertise, know-how, etc. to put all that to "
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productive use.

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10. "Can we talk about these superpowers? "
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Jamaica? Really

I know those African countries have resources out the ass but they usually also come with a shit load of corruption or have white hands in the pot.

I think China is making moves in Africa so I guess the question is do they want to work with Black Americans who don't really have direct access to resources in America.

I can't see US Govt letting Oprah and Jordan and Puff and other big players build up some type of infrastructure in America without a hand in the pot.

You can't live in someone else's house and invite whoever you want over to break bread.

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18. "Marijuana, Music, Natural Resources make you a Black Superpower"
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Keep in mind, I don't think a superpower has to run the world. But in terms of creating a high quality of life for black and brown people, Jamaica has that potential.


The most important aspect of White Life is predictability, organization, structure, order, dependability and consistency. I have lived in many non white societies and the biggest appeal to white nations is that you can relax knowing something will operate exactly as they say it will. Simple things like paved roads, taking a bus, getting a paycheck, having food in the store, th lights turning on make for a higher quality of life.

I think that on some colonial shit, maybe black and brown Americans need to export these organizational traits to another country and build our own. We can bring the expertise to make a society functional.

Instead of waiting for white person to destroy it, we fight back.

Are white people really this powerful that they can squash every non white person's dreams of their own nations? I don't think so.

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19. "COINTELPRO 2k et al. knew you were posting this 7 days ago"
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before you even knew you were posting this.

Not saying i disagree, just saying

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21. "So knowing this, should we just resign to White Power?"
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It sounds like the brown/black world has basically said fuck it. White people do it better. Let's ride their train to the good life and fuck our home countries.

Or will white people stop the terrorizing and leave us develop our nations without their intervention?

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33. "Pretty much."
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>It sounds like the brown/black world has basically said fuck
>it. White people do it better. Let's ride their train to the
>good life and fuck our home countries.

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23. "unfortunately you have to deal with white folk in Jamaica"
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they are everywhere.

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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44. "Also, White life values and respects individual freedom. "
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The freedom to think and do for self.

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45. "no it doesn't "
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school systems among many others (systems) would be completely different were that the case

  

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36. "Not only that but their best and brightest, the people that "
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can truly move their countries forward, have all fled for elsewhere leaving behind the poor and under-educated masses and elitists to run the show.

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40. "Aka the good black soccer national teams "
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WHAT A TIME TO BE ALIVE

  

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22. "Have you read any history on this subject?"
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Like really delved in?
Nobody is saying white supremacists are
all-powerful or anything of the sort.
Why do you think we haven't already
done what you're saying?
Do you think black and brown people
are just naturally disorganized and
not enterprising? We came to do
legit business and white savagery
met us. We were unprepared for that.
Or they just showed up on the shores
killing folks. Why you think there
are no Tasmanians anymore? No,
white folks haven't been all-powerful.
They have been savage. First through
straight killing and now through the
systems they've set up over hundreds
of years to disguise said killing.
There are many examples of us
building and them using all the
resources they've STOLEN to shut it
down. We gotta know what they've
stolen and what they're capable of
to make solid moves. You sound
like a soldier who wants to just
run out in the crossfire with a
rock and sling. That's been tried.
We have to be smarter.

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24. "they got some shit that will blow out our back.. "
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from where they stay at - 3 Stacks (c)

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26. "Thank you for this response."
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Are you talking about How Europe Underdeveloped Africa? Two Thousand Seasons?

I would love to know what books you read. Please share, no snark

But I think constantly looking at white savagery as an excuse as to why we can't have a great nation is just laziness.

I do think Black Americans and Nigerians are some of the smartest black people on the planet. I think Jamaicans and Caribbean's are the most industrious.

My point is that constantly obsessing about Trump, Europe and Brexit is just as bad as doing nothing.

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29. "my bad, are you a brother from another planet?"
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>My point is that constantly obsessing about Trump, Europe and
>Brexit is just as bad as doing nothing.

You think these things won't affect your movement? Where is this isolated planet where black people can build all day without having to worry about what's happening back on earth?

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30. "obsessing over them doesn't help"
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43. "RE: Thank you for this response."
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First and foremost is military strategy.
Deception is number one there. Wars are
started with words and propaganda... hence
the media control they have and the smiles
in your face while the boot is on your neck
With that said, The Art of War and other
books on military strategy are imperative,
because we will never understand the ideology
of white supremacy until we understand that,
and therefore never be able to overcome it.
Christopher Columbus and the Afrikan Holocaust
by John Henrik Clarke.
A Compensatory Counter-Racist Code by
Neely Fuller.
The New Jim Crow by Michelle Alexander
Gerrymandering In America by McGann et al.
(that just came out)
Post-Traumatic Slave Syndrome by Joy Degruy.
Everything Amos Wilson wrote.


>But I think constantly looking at white savagery as an excuse
>as to why we can't have a great nation is just laziness.

I agree. I'm not saying use it as an excuse.
*I'm saying use it as a lesson for next time*
(hence the focus on military strategy).
Switch up the strategy, because they spend all
of their time refining their savagery to the
point that most of us don't even notice it.
These people target our very children right in
front of us and we cosign it. That's war and
should be recognized as such.
The predator is studying us. How dumb does the
prey have to be to not be studying its predator?


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50. "I knew you were Trill when you said Neely Fuller, but"
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you family for mentioning Dr. Amos Wilson!

>First and foremost is military strategy.
>Deception is number one there. Wars are
>started with words and propaganda... hence
>the media control they have and the smiles
>in your face while the boot is on your neck
>With that said, The Art of War and other
>books on military strategy are imperative,
>because we will never understand the ideology
>of white supremacy until we understand that,
>and therefore never be able to overcome it.
>Christopher Columbus and the Afrikan Holocaust
>by John Henrik Clarke.
>A Compensatory Counter-Racist Code by
>Neely Fuller.
>The New Jim Crow by Michelle Alexander
>Gerrymandering In America by McGann et al.
>(that just came out)
>Post-Traumatic Slave Syndrome by Joy Degruy.
>Everything Amos Wilson wrote.
>
>
>>But I think constantly looking at white savagery as an
>excuse
>>as to why we can't have a great nation is just laziness.
>
>I agree. I'm not saying use it as an excuse.
>*I'm saying use it as a lesson for next time*
>(hence the focus on military strategy).
>Switch up the strategy, because they spend all
>of their time refining their savagery to the
>point that most of us don't even notice it.
>These people target our very children right in
>front of us and we cosign it. That's war and
>should be recognized as such.
>The predator is studying us. How dumb does the
>prey have to be to not be studying its predator?
>
>
>


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52. "Jamaica and Singapore once had the same GDP"
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40 years later they are very different. Check this out.

http://www.aei.org/publication/jamaica-vs-singapore/


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60. "Jamaica: another country that socialism ruined."
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Rest In Peace, Bad News Brown

  

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34. "Yes."
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So what we need to do is marshall resources and build whereever we are. You will never be free of outside influences. Hell the only reason Europe even has culture is because of exchange across the Mediterranean that began in Africa, the Levant, and Asia Minor. You will inevitably be forced to deal with outsiders.

You can't control what they do, only how we carry ourselves.

  

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35. "*raises black fist in the air*"
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*raises other black fist in the air*


*stretches arms out and leans back in chair and pops his back*


Damn that felt good


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41. "HAHAHAHAHA"
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Well played.

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46. "lmao"
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<--- Big Baller World Order

  

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42. "Because yall afraid of whiteness and white supremacy"
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aka western civilization.

See Libya.

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51. "Nah. It's because we've gotten too comfortable with our place in"
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White society.

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47. "great plan. meanwhile real life is happening"
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Fuck em and let's build our own shit.

. Why not just keep
>building ourselves and our nations?

. If we can master
>organization and structure we can build up our little
>communities, no matter how small.

  

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54. "Incredible Bloomberg article/interview with Aliko Dangote (long swipe)"
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Read this recently and thought it was fitting for this post.

There's a lot one could question about just how "free" some of the black States mentioned actually are from white/non-black control via foreign enterprise, aid, cultural influence etc. but I thought - why not post something uplifting lol

I love the foundation Dangote is building and it's so inspiring to read about his experience in his own words. He really helps you get a feel for what it's actually like to build up infrastructure in an emerging region from scratch. Perhaps a model for the continent..?



https://www.bloomberg.com/features/2017-aliko-dangote-interview/



Africa’s Richest Man Has a Plan: Cement, Then Oil—Then Arsenal FC

By Francine Lacqua| August 17, 2017
Photographs by Benedicte Kurzen
From Bloomberg Markets


“Nothing is impossible.” These three words are on a plaque that Aliko Dangote keeps on his office desk in Lagos, Nigeria, constantly reminding Africa’s richest man how to approach the world. Dangote, who was worth $12.3 billion as of mid-August, according to the Bloomberg Billionaires Index, is modest in his personal life but bold in business. Presiding over an empire that includes cement, freight, infrastructure, agriculture, and—soon—oil refining, Dangote, 60, possesses a towering ambition that matches the scale of his projects. His Dangote Group has expanded rapidly, spreading into new territory across Africa as well as into new industries. Undaunted by the size and scope of his investments, Dangote, who once lost almost $6 billion in a single year, says he chooses to make daring moves that others would shy away from. Plowing almost $5 billion into sugar, rice, and dairy production and now $11 billion into the construction of an oil refinery just outside Lagos, he says he’s looking to begin investing 60 percent of his business outside Africa starting in 2020. One investment he says he’s keen to add to his portfolio: Arsenal Football Club, a top-tier team in the English Premier League. Not surprisingly, for a man not given to standing still in business, Dangote says that if he played for the club, he wouldn’t be the manager or goalkeeper but rather a striker—someone out there scoring goals.

FRANCINE LACQUA: You’ve made billions in cement—something humans have produced for thousands of years. What did you figure out?

ALIKO DANGOTE: I think actually what I figured out was looking at the entire African continent, especially sub-Saharan, and saying, “What do we actually produce?” What I learned is that the majority of African countries imported cement. The better way, I thought, would be to empower Africa—to meet our own infrastructural needs so that we could be more self-­sufficient.

FL: What excited you about the business?

AD: It’s not all about making money. It’s about making impact. For more than 20 years, Dangote was just a trading company. Then we decided we wanted to be an industrial giant—and we had to start somewhere. It wasn’t just about cement. It was about industrialization. If you look at what Dangote Group is doing, it’s about improving people’s lives.

FL: What does it mean to be an industrialist these days? It seems almost like a job description from another era.

AD: I think you need to be very courageous. You have to be bold but also consistent. It’s not very easy to become one, I’ll tell you that much.

FL: How would you describe your business to someone who’s never heard of it?

AD: We’ve done $18 billion of business in the span of about four years, which is almost unheard of in Africa. Most people don’t know what is happening in Africa or that we’re the first African company to attempt these endeavors—cement, agriculture, and now so much more. Sometimes you meet people, and they look at you and say, “How did this guy get here?” Because if you say, “You are in Africa,” they think Africa is a jungle—that’s the issue. So unless you go and see, you will not believe these things are happening.

FL: What opportunities excite you the most right now as a businessman?

AD: Agriculture. When you look at it—not just in Nigeria but in the rest of Africa—the majority of countries here depend on imported food. There is no way you can have a population of 320 million in West Africa and no self-sufficiency. So the first thing to do is food security. We have land, we have water, we have the climate—we shouldn’t be a massive importer of food. With modern farming you can get 8 to 10 tons per hectare. I believe Dangote Group is in the right position to drive this trajectory. I expect another 5 to 10 companies to join our efforts in the next year. By 2019 we might be able to actually create about 290,000 jobs in agriculture. And that’s what you can do to empower people, especially those from rural areas.

FL: Why hasn’t this been done before?

AD: What you have to understand is that in Africa, going back 25 or 30 years, the majority of businesses were actually owned by government. And government has never been good at running any business. That’s the issue we have. Government’s job is not to drive the process. We have entrepreneurship now, and that’s what we are trying to do. We are not as lucky as Asia, where they already had a lot of entrepreneurship dating back generations and caught that wave. In Africa, when you really look at it deep down, we lack the entrepreneurship to match that boom in Asia. And we don’t have the capital markets to help drive the process. But it’s happening, slowly.

FL: You’re making a strategic choice to address food security just as climate change becomes more pronounced. How do you keep your efforts from withering?

AD: We are following that very closely and are trying to determine what to do. We must protect ourselves. Today in Nigeria, if you look at climate change—which I believe is real—we have never seen this kind of rain. So we are following everything very, very closely, especially sugar and rice, two crops we’re focusing on.

FL: And yet you’re in the process of building one of the world’s largest oil refineries. Why oil? Don’t you worry we’ve reached peak oil?

AD: Well, you see, the issue is—let me tell you why we had to go into oil. Our strategy was to be an African company. When you look at the other options, it’s really agriculture—and agriculture doesn’t take that much money. We always invest most of our money back into the business, so when we looked at it in 2015 and projected our revenue for the next few years, we looked at what we had left after investing in fertilizer and realized we still had billions of dollars we could put somewhere else. The only place we could invest that much money was in the oil and gas business. So the refinery takes those dollars and allows us to invest in something we are used to, which is industry.

FL: Why didn’t you get into oil earlier?

AD: The majority of people here made their money through oil. But Dangote has never ever dealt in oil, which is to prove that you don’t have to be in oil. In Nigeria, oil has really damaged our thinking. Everyone is thinking about oil, oil, oil. And we are one company that has made a success without doing that. Also, people always say, “Oh, he’s in oil and gas—there’s a lot of corruption in oil and gas.” We didn’t want to be a part of that. There are a lot of friends of mine in oil, and they are doing the right thing. But I didn’t want to be a suspect, so that’s why we’re not in oil.

FL: So why go so big on oil instead of renewable energy?

AD: In business you need to know before you jump into something. You have to do quite a lot of homework. For instance, Nigeria’s refineries were privatized in 2007. We bought two, but after a few months we had a new government that decided to void the transaction, thinking we got a very good deal. So since 2007 we’ve been actually working on building our own refinery, but we didn’t finally start something until 2015.



“Here the profit margins are huge—much larger. And if you are not a big player, you have no way of survival”



FL: Did you always want this large a refinery? Won’t it be one of the largest in the world?

AD: We had already studied doing 300,000 barrels a day back in 2005. At that time I couldn’t even fathom a larger refinery. I had no financial capacity. Then in about 2010 we paid all ­Dangote Group’s debts, which amounted to $2 billion, and started accumulating cash. When we decided to build the refinery of our dreams, we reviewed our plans again and put the figure at 400,000. Then it jumped up to 650,000. So a refinery had actually been on the drawing table for years, but this is how we were able to finally push it through.

FL: How’s it coming along?

AD: At the moment we are a little bit off track. We didn’t really realize that we were going to need almost 70 million cubic meters of sand. But we are catching up, and I’m sure we’ll be able to deliver it by the last quarter of 2017.

FL: Do you worry about not finishing?

AD: I don’t have that worry. We have the most robust team anyone can put together, and we’ve been doing this sort of work together for years. We have actually never failed in delivering any project. We always deliver our projects on time and at cost. If we hadn’t delivered our projects on time, that would be something. We will definitely deliver, by the grace of God.

FL: Yet it’s quite difficult to be successful at an industry you don’t know very well.

AD: We don’t want to listen to the critics, because their intention is to destroy us. We are using our own money. This is my lifetime project. I have to back it up with my own life to make sure it is delivered. I know that, yes, it’s true, a lot of people have tried to deliver on refineries in the past, mostly governments. They couldn’t.

FL: So this is the most ambitious thing you’ve ever done?

AD: It’s an ambitious project, yes, but we have others at that particular site, too. We have a gas pipeline, for instance. We are trying to bring gas to Nigeria. The total gas that will come out is on par with the likes of Shell and other people. This will transform Nigeria because, as we speak, we have about 6,800 megawatts of power capacity that has been installed but not been put to use, the reason being that we don’t have the infrastructure.

FL: Do you think it’s easier to be a businessman in Western countries?

AD: I think it’s easier, yeah. It’s more defined. You can plan better. You don’t have issues of currency devaluation. There’s more clarity. Yeah, it’s better. The difference is here the profit margins are huge—much larger. And if you are not a big player, you have no way of survival.

FL: Give us a sense of the difficulties you might encounter as a businessman in Africa.

AD: For the refinery, almost every single thing was imported from abroad. One of the difficulties was that most of our ports are not designed to receive heavy equipment; 75 percent of the cargo we need for the refinery cannot be offloaded in the port of Lagos. One piece of equipment weighed 2,870 tons! No port in Nigeria is designed for cargo that heavy. So we built our own jetty, about 1 kilometer in the ocean, which was a major project. We couldn’t get local cranes to hire, either. We had to go and buy 300 cranes. Then there’s manpower, which we also brought from abroad—almost 30,000 people, because we didn’t have a trained workforce for these massive projects. We are building housing for the foreign workers and expect to have between 35,000 and 40,000 workers at the peak of the project, including locals, whom we will house outside the refinery. So, you know, running businesses in Africa is good, but it’s not easy. You have to be on top of what you are doing.

FL: So do you think you’ll ever get into renewables?

AD: We will get into renewables, of course, but we’ll try and partner. Beginning in 2020 our major investment will be in the U.S. and Europe.

FL: And that will be in renewables?

AD: I think renewables is the only way to go forward, and the future.

FL: How much do you intend to invest outside Africa?

AD: Beginning in 2020, 60 percent of our future investments will be outside Africa, so we can have a balance.

FL: Where outside Africa will that investment be concentrated?

AD: Mostly in Europe and the U.S., but we can also invest in Asia, in Mexico.

FL: What businesses other than renewables?

AD: We are looking at petrochemicals but can also invest in other companies. We must believe in the management and what they are doing. But the priorities are here for now. In 2020 the priorities will change, and we’ll diversify because we will have the cash to divest.

FL: By 2020, how much money can you put in the U.S. or Europe?

AD: Let’s say that by 2025, I’m looking at between $20 billion and $50 billion. Mind you, we don’t do small things.

FL: How do you think it will go over with the people in those countries?

AD: The market is already big. It’s a big fight. Big enough for everyone. We will not go alone. We will have partners, too. Having partners there makes a lot of sense.

FL: Before we talk too much more about the future, what was it like for you growing up?

AD: I grew up in Kano, Nigeria. After my school I went to Egypt and finished there. Then I moved on to Lagos to do business. I learned quite a lot from my late grandfather. He was in trading. I actually grew up with him. I didn’t know my parents until I was about 4 or 5 years old, and unfortunately my father died when I was 8.

FL: What’s your earliest memory of your business instincts?

AD: That started maybe at the age of 10 because my family had always been in business. They had been big commodities traders, and my grandfather, may his soul rest in peace, had always been in business.

FL: You later spent some time in Brazil. What was that like?

AD: Brazil was having a lot of currency challenges then, as well as inflation, but they were very industrious. They have a lot of industries that have been built by entrepreneurs, and I got to interview quite a lot of them by going around. I sort of went to Brazil to convince myself to move into industrialization.

FL: What was the most powerful thing you learned there?

AD: I went to a company called Arisco. It was my first time seeing more than 600 people working in a single factory. I went there to visit them and see how they started the business. They had begun very small: salt, then seasoning—adding garlic into the salt. By the time I was there, Arisco was producing 500 different items, even toothpaste. You couldn’t wake up in the morning without using their products.

FL: What was it like, to see that?

AD: When I looked at it, especially with Africa in mind, I thought, This is the right way to go. There isn’t going to be any mistake, I don’t think, going into industry. So we made that first bold move in Lagos and said, “We are going to start.” Our first cement factory had the capacity to produce 5 million tons a year. Nigeria as a whole was producing only 2 million tons back then. And we had never built a cement factory, but that’s how we started. At that time, freight was almost $90 a ton. We were paying through our nose. It’s down to $20 a ton now. The story is totally different in other ways now, too. When you look at areas producing cement in Africa, the price has gone down by at least half, and product is actually much more available. The international players also find it difficult to match our quality or change the dynamics of the market.

FL: How did you decide to make that first move?

AD: Back when we first tried cement in 1978, I was just trading—buying four trucks of cement, selling it, and making my money. Almost every day I was getting an allocation of four trucks. The business grew, but then we decided to dump cement so we could get into sugar, rice, and other commodities. When we went back into cement with that first factory, within the first year, we went from zero market share in Nigeria to about 45 percent. Now the country is producing 42 million tons, of which 29 million tons is ours—and it’s not only Nigeria that we ­benefit, but we’ve also been able to go to 17 other African countries. By 2019 we’ll have 80 million tons of capacity.



“The only way to move Africa forward is for people like us to take very bold moves”



FL: To become that big industrial company, you’ve capitalized on your first-mover advantage. Is that always your business strategy?

AD: Our business strategy has always been like that, yes. We don’t want to be No. 2 in anything that we do. We want to be No. 1. Worst case, we can be No. 2 but targeted to become No. 1.

FL: What’s the difference between No. 1 and No. 2?

AD: I think it’s boldness. We make a lot of bold moves, which other people find really difficult to take. We always dream very big, and we’re committed to investing in Africa. That’s really what makes the difference. Other people have different ­priorities, but our dominant priority is here in Africa. We believe that other people have actually done much bigger projects than us in other parts of the world, so the only way to move Africa forward is for people like us to take very bold moves.

FL: Do you ever worry about being too bold?

AD: I never worry about being too bold. In business it’s good to be aggressive, but with a human face.

FL: Who taught you that?

AD: Well, I’ve learned from a couple of things. I thought at first I was really aggressive until I watched this show, The Men Who Built America. I realized that actually they were much bolder than us. Someone like Vanderbilt, he built 50,000 miles of rail! That is a very bold move. That’s why anything we do, we don’t do it small. If there’s any human being who has done this equally, I am equal to the task to do the same. I actually have a sign on my desk that says, “Nothing is impossible.”

FL: Earlier you mentioned paying off your debts around 2010. How significant was that moment, and how did you celebrate?

AD: It was a turning point. It helped us to be more disciplined. We are not trying to hide our heads from the banks. It has also given us a model to be very prudent and also be financially robust. Because normally people go out there and do project financing. We don’t do project financing. We leverage our current businesses and then build another new business. So in the head office here, what we do is only strategy and incubating various businesses.

FL: You talk about business with a purpose, and that might be also one of the reasons you say you’re successful. How many other businesspeople around the world, at your level, would you say are like that?

AD: There are a couple, but in Africa there are very few.

FL: Why so few?

AD: I think discipline. You need to be disciplined at what you are doing.

FL: Would you be interested in going into technology?

AD: When I look at telecom, for instance, I think that would be very tough for us. We are a little late. Some players have been in this market for 17 years already. There’s no way you can go and jump over somebody after 17 years of their hard work. So I think we would pass when it comes to telecom today. There are other businesses that we understand better.

FL: Why not back more tech startups?

AD: We can really do almost anything, but I think technology is not really one of the areas we want to go into right now. If I am going to invest in a tech company, I can buy shares, but it’s not something I want to go in and run. I am very passionate about industrialization—more than going into a tech company. It doesn’t make any sense for us to go direct there.

FL: Because of your portfolio?

AD: Because of our portfolio, yes. If you try to do a little bit here and a little bit there, you get into trouble. We arrive with focus, and we stick to it. Right now, beyond the oil refinery, our focus is on agribusiness. Anything we are doing between now and 2020 has to be agriculture—that’s it. I don’t want to stretch myself too thin, and the best way to do that is we should deliver on things that were promised, especially because people are wondering if we’ll be able to deliver.

FL: Are you ever frustrated that valuations seem to be better in tech companies than in the industries like your own?

AD: Honestly, I do. Look at the U.S., the way the tech companies are getting massive. And it’s still nothing compared to the GEs, yet those don’t get that kind of valuation. I wish that we’d entered tech, but our concentration has always been in Africa.

FL: You’ve mentioned wanting to buy Arsenal Football Club before. Is that still on your wish list?

AD: Yes, but I don’t want to go after Arsenal until I deliver the refinery. Once I deliver, I will go after Arsenal.

FL: There are no other clubs you’d want to buy?

AD: I don’t change clubs. Even when Arsenal isn’t doing well I still stick by them. It’s a great team, well-run. It could be run better, so I will be there. I will wait. Even if things change I will take it and make the difference going forward.

FL: Do you think Stan Kroenke and Alisher Usmanov would sell their stakes?

AD: Well, you know anything is possible in this world. If they get the right offer, I’m sure they would walk away. We’ll be in a position to give them the right offer. They will not hold ­Arsenal forever. Someone will give them an offer that will make them seriously consider walking away. And when we finish the refinery, I think we will be in a position to do that.

FL: How would you change things?

AD: The first thing I would change is the coach. He has done a good job, but someone else should also try his luck.

FL: If you were playing for Arsenal, would you be a striker, defender, goalkeeper, or the manager?

AD: I would rather be a striker. Naturally, I’m an aggressive person. I don’t want to be part of the support team. I want to be the one scoring the goals.

FL: When did you start loving the club?

AD: In the mid-’80s. I was introduced to a man named David Dein, who was Arsenal’s vice chairman, through a friend of my uncle’s. He was the first person who showed me a cargo of sugar in 1980, when I started importing. I started buying sugar, and he started taking me to the stadium.

FL: Just wondering: Would you ever run for president? You’re still young. Maybe in 10 or 15 years?

AD: I’m old—60.

FL: That’s young!

AD: No, I’m not interested. There’s quite a lot we can do from the business side. I enjoy a lot of what I am doing, and I also love my freedom—and I don’t have too much. The little I have, politics would take away. I am not ready to give that up. There are businessmen who are interested in politics. I’m not one of them.

FL: Where do your best business ideas come from?

AD: I always look at what other people have done and what we should be doing. There are quite a lot of industries which we do need in Africa. We create a lot of raw materials and export finished goods. It is actually easier for us to think about what to do here because, whatever you do, the majority of those decisions will make a positive change. There are a lot of opportunities because of where we are starting from. In the Western world—the U.S., Europe—you have almost everything. In Africa we don’t have much competition, in part because so many people have their money in liquid cash, not assets.

FL: What do you have to do to get things done in Africa? Do you need politicians on your side?

AD: Well, in Africa, yes, I do think you need politicians. But at the same time, we cannot get things right unless there is good cooperation between the politicians and the businessmen. It’s a win-win. When you look at it today, in Nigeria, more than 85 percent of the GDP is from the private sector.

FL: Do you ever feel under pressure to make political donations? Do you worry about being corrupt or being corrupted?

AD: Well, you know the political donation depends on who you are dealing with and who you are donating money to. But the issue is we don’t go and give people in politics money for favors. I’ve told presidents of countries, “I’m a contractor, I’m running a business, I don’t need any favors.” And really when you look at it today, in all our businesses, we don’t need any favors. I’m saying this here and now. I can tell you today, as we speak, that we, Dangote Group, don’t have any agreements on our fertilizer, our refinery, our agriculture. We don’t have any support at all. We’ve done our numbers. We think this business will work, and we don’t need government support.

FL: What is the human flaw that frustrates you the most in business?

AD: In Africa, you normally need to know who you’re dealing with. You have to make sure you’re dealing with very honest people who have integrity—that’s why we have so few partnerships. Dangote itself has plenty of headaches to take care of.

FL: Maybe that’s why there seem to be fewer industrialists in the world?

AD: Yes, the industrialists are now in Africa! Others have matured and are doing something different. I’m still a big believer in industrialization, though. And when you look at, say, Reliance Group, they are doing quite a lot. We have a lot to catch up with them. That’s why for us to grow, we can’t take too much risk. It’s good for us to also go outside Africa to balance the currency fluctuations.

FL: You’ve talked a lot about your business being for something other than business—sometimes it’s for Africa, other times it’s for Nigeria. Which is it?

AD: I think it’s mainly for the continent. I’m a very satisfied person and content with what I have so far. I think one of the legacies to leave is how much of an impact have I had for my own people. Really, when you look at it, we are pushing hard on the business and also on the philanthropic side. I want to make the most impact on the world before I depart. I hope to start from home first and grow from there.

FL: Have you always wanted to do something for the greater good?

AD: I always feel like that, and that’s what we have. Even in our own foundation we are 70 percent Nigeria, 20 percent rest of Africa, and then 10 percent the rest of world. As we progress we will reduce that portion of Nigeria. Because as we grow, also the foundation will keep growing. It is my own dream not only to be a champion of Africa, but also a champion of the world.

FL: Do you care a lot about your own wealth? One year you lost almost $6 billion, for example. Is it something you look at or is it just an inconvenience?

AD: When you think about it, yes, maybe you lost money. But I believe in what we are doing. The businesses are very solid. The only thing that bothers me in Africa is you can gain so much in five years and then you could have two or three years of bad currency valuation. Otherwise, it doesn’t really keep me awake at night.


FL: What kind of advice would you give your 20-year-old self today?

AD: The same thing I tell everyone. If you’re going into business, you have to be very consistent in what you are doing. You have to work hard. Things don’t come that easy. Think big, dream big, and do big things.

FL: You’re known as a very quiet billionaire. Do you prefer making money to spending money?

AD: I’m not a person who just likes to throw away money. I spend more money on charitable things than myself. Luckily, myself and my children, we have been very disciplined. That’s why if you look at it today, because of the way I run my lifestyle, I actually don’t have any home outside Nigeria. I stay in hotels. Quiet. Simple. My life is not very lavish, and I actually get very embarrassed if I try to show that I have money. I don’t. I think I always advise people that it’s better to be very communal. In Lagos, I drive myself around on weekends. I ask my driver to go rest, and then I drive myself around. I still visit my normal friends I grew up with. My house is open 24 hours a day for them. I mingle with everybody. That’s the only way to get to know what’s going on.

  

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55. "baby, that horse is WAY out of the barn."
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they got nukes, love.

what do we got?*

i mean, really.

the best we can do is unplug from the matrix and find a spot in the Amazon or som'n and start over. b/c they won't go deep into the Amazon. there are still parts of it that they say are 'undiscovered'. so - there. but anywhere else? sure. try it. they'll do what they've done since way back in the wayback - seduce us w/toys. b/c...toys are nice. and that's how it starts and that's how it'll end, man.

it is what it is.

if they're shit is driving you mad...unplug from it. take a breather. somewhere. find your place. retreat when you can. as often as you can. live. fuck them.

*...note: it starts w/toys. it 'ends' w/guns. they show us the shiny shit. we dig it. if we hold fast - out come the GUNS. you already know b/c you know your history. that's how they do it. it's why NK is trying it now w/the USA. but not for real b/c they know. LOL. the USA is the only nation in the world that has actually dropped the bomb. TWICE. and over there, too. so they playin. b/c they know. if we do our own thing on any real level - like a nation-state that's actually worth a damn? that has resources? that THEY want? come on. you know how it'll go. so what do we got to stand up to the nukes?

fuck you.

  

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56. "RE: baby, that horse is WAY out of the barn."
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but thats why NK HAS NUKES (big boys table).. they got em and now aint shit the US can do...

same with iran.. they will play ball for a bit.. but NK getting nukes now means anyone can get em

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59. "Dont nobody want NK."
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The USA doesn't. But crazy dude is convinced the USA wants to invade NK. Lol

But NK knows - nuclear action against the USA assures NK's destruction. But also Seoul's destruction and SK. It's a mess.

fuck you.

  

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57. "they just slaughtered an uncontacted tribe in the Amazon"
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https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/10/world/americas/brazil-amazon-tribe-killings.html?mcubz=1

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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58. "Shook ones posting in here. I got you, Mori. *heads to gun shop*"
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We gonna do what we gonna do, and they can do what they gonna do about it. Fuck it. Better the lion than the lamb.

  

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61. "all of the resources are effectively controlled by white or asian people"
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Even in Africa, the Caribbean and South America.

Our best bet is to prepare our kids to be able to compete in the future.

dude

  

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63. "Very dependent as well as too dependent"
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64. "Exodus "
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I can't buy into it because there's two things I believe we lack....
leadership and unity. It must come before any revolution can be discussed.

  

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65. "It has to start somewhere "
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It only takes a few with the right mindset.

If we think that we all have to come aboard then we will be waiting forever and never get anything done.

  

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66. "thats fair..."
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seeing helps but believing is something different. like, SoWhat said, unless we're willing to go live in the Amazon {I'm not} we will always be totally dependent on the system.

  

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68. "We don’t have to stay dependent on the system though..."
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Instead of spending our dollars with white folks we can put aside that money and start our own economy and lobby for the changes that we want to see in our own community.

  

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70. "In theory, yes that would work. "
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what does it look like tho?

my argument is that unless we're willing to give up the luxuries we have(our homes, cars, jobs, etc)I can't see it working when the system is designed that we will always need them for something. As Boogie so eloquently laid down the facts of Oprah not technically owing her network.

How do you convince people to unplugged?

I tried is on a small scale with some folks and it didn't work...for me.

  

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73. "RE: In theory, yes that would work. "
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>what does it look like tho?
>
>my argument is that unless we're willing to give up the
>luxuries we have(our homes, cars, jobs, etc)I can't see it
>working when the system is designed that we will always need
>them for something. As Boogie so eloquently laid down the
>facts of Oprah not technically owing her network.
>
>How do you convince people to unplugged?
>
>I tried is on a small scale with some folks and it didn't
>work...for me.

You use the job to save and invest. We have to be conservative with how we spend our money. If you have a group of people with the same mindset then how about everyone bringing their resources together to buy a house? If you live in an area where you really don’t need a car, then use public transportation. It will definitely save on the note and insurance. If you do buy a car then pay cash.

Honestly you can’t convince people to become unplugged. They have to be tired of this system giving them nothing. They have to want change for themselves. It starts with a few and from there it can grow. The other thing is that no one wants to sacrifice or attempt to separate themselves from the rest of those who are not like minded. If you want different results then you have to make changes.

  

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75. "We always talk about unplugging"
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but do we really want to give up Netflix and our cars?

I think we could meet in the middle.

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77. "The answer is no... people don’t want to give up those things"
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The few that do have to come together so that others see what the process looks like.

In my previous statement about multiple people being a large house in which everyone could pull their resources together to lower costs... how many people do you think would go for that?

I don’t pay for Netflix... I gave my daughter my car... I am looking for black designers for clothes and accessories so I am not supporting this system and their economy any longer. I pay for my living expenses and the internet and I even cut cable. During the summer I bought from farmers markets (even though a majority of them were white) instead of going to national grocery chains. That will change for the fall and winter though. When you’ve had enough then changes will be made... folks are too comfortable.

  

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78. "going back to my comment about leadership..."
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you can't be like, "just come on". We're skeptical by nature.
I think people would be willing to make sacrifices but, someone needs to be able to explain to them why doing something different is be better than the current situation. Most of us don't know...

someone has to rise up that they trust and respect. there was a glimpse of it with Obama but, look how some of us treat...felt about him.

we're skeptical by nature.

  

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79. "Honestly I believe we’re more fearful than skeptical "
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We really don’t think that we can make it without the white man. We think that we need his schools, jobs, safe neighborhoods, malls, etc.

The thing is that black folk are always looking for a leader. Someone who will stand up and speak for everyone instead of a few people doing in silence. When a few people move on their own and build something it will get the attention of others to pull away from this system also. Will it get all of us to move together... no it won’t, but it will get most of us to move in this direction.

  

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80. "lol. like, some house nigga shit ?"
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so you would support everything because it's black?




  

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81. "RE: lol. like, some house nigga shit?"
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Yep... lol

I would support as much as I can that is black owned. I can’t support this economic system any longer. It’s time for real capitalism to take place for our people.

  

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67. "It can be done.......if people are willing to take things all the way."
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Black people actually tried something like this in my home county in the 1970s. Soul City was intended to be a planned community where black capitalism could thrive. The fatal flaw in Floyd McKissick's (the leader of the project) plan was that he severely underestimated the power of state government (namely Jesse Helms) and he also aligned himself with the Republican Party in the Nixon era just prior to the Southern Strategy taking hold. My county never got to see its come up. Jesse Helms made certain that we'd (a county of less than 25,000 people) receive our very own prison though....in Soul City.

Long story short, if anyone wants to get some shit started, come here. This is a rural area that is 60% black. It's a hard blue area with a largely dormant working-class that would like to have businesses and opportunities but never get them. A lot of prime land in the county seat is tied up in old hands (very very old hands) but I have a feeling this area can still be changed in the way McKissick intended with Soul City. Seriously, a million dollars can only buy so much in a city. Out here a million dollars can buy around 100-200 acres.

The public here already hates our public school system so the first thing that could (and should) be build is a school teaching a curriculum that is tailored for our own children. The county has two grocery stores but a true grocery co-op using the local farmers we still have would gain traction here for sure. A black-owned bank could be done here. Everything.....the county is mostly blank space.

A settlement of 1000 ready people here would totally change the county in every way.
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69. "this post is too much a mess to know where to begin"
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but the answer is -

actually, yt ppl are too dependent on brown nations/people

just saw a clip on the gummy bear maker Haribo, using basically slave plantations in brazil to grow the wax and sugar

similar to the clip of the cacao farmers in west africa that been working for 30 yrs in the field and never tasted a chocolate bar before

or the raw materials in -cell phones/electronics, cars, food, jewelry, furniture, energy, etc.
the francophone nations (and im sure there are others) are forced to store their central bank currencies in european banks.
and even the impact of destabilizing brown countries drives brain drain from over there to the west, which builds up western schools and institutions

-west depends on blk countries in an exploitative way
-blk ppls depend on the west in warped 'their ice is colder' infantilized worldview way.
(thats why folk so fond of the obama presidency without much tangible gain from it. he got to drive the bus for a minute)


as for the points ppl made abt all hope is lost, and the game is over.... dubai was a boring desert town 25 years ago.
but the middle eastern countries were able to get better deals for their natural resources than most african countries did(ie the impact of being former colonies, colonized minds...and west still "depending" on them to give away their resources for nothing.) not to mention western countries basically paid each other reparations to rebuild after WW2. after colonization, blk countries got imf loans, bad trade deals and 50 year waits for an apology



and i do often think about there being more than enough wealthy blk ppl to "buy" up a mid-tier country like barbados, reverse-gentrify all the beachfront hotels from the foreign owners, turn it into the blk st tropez and build from there



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71. "Expect war."
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What's the plan for dealing with the war?

Bc the white ppl will not go quietly.

Align with Iran or NK or China? Buy some yellow cake mix and get it popping on our own?

fuck you.

  

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83. "best defense is a good offense - kim jung iller"
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but the next century will be the twilight of US domination and rise of china. align with them mofo's (strategically) and get the west of fya back


Small scale :
black caribbean nations becoming poverty-free/violence-free isolated black mini utopia's is doable tho. mathematically/demographically at least. and could be done mostly under the radar. 60M+ negroes in US, Uk and WI, im sure we got enough of us wit dollars and some sense to take over a few islands and act righ. and make sure the ofays dont overstay their tourist visas

Large scale:
blks got the land and resources, BLKs got the 1.3T spending money. sounds like a perfect match to me. any disruption in the siphoning of those things by the bloodsuckers will start the zimbabwe/cuba type isolation



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72. "How do we unite billions of ppl around a fictional identifier?"
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Pan-Africanism would probably work as we build our thing but after we get it set up how do we stay united? Bc the idea of our skin and nose shapes meaning we are the same ppl is a real American idea fostered in a hostile environment.

I guess if we can keep the ppl satisfied they won't have much reason to want to divide and return to the old thang. Like how 13 states came together here. But then a handful of them did 'leave' and had to learn the hard way that the USA is a suicide pact. Ain't no leaving except by death.

Start small and the success will attract folks. They'll want in. Keep the dividends flowing and they'll stay.

I picture constant attempts by hostile nations to sow disunion. There would have to be enormous trust among us to keep it going.

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74. "RE: How do we unite billions of ppl around a fictional identifier?"
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The entire human race operates on fiction (human rights, money, religion, nationalism) to scale civilization past the 40-100p tribe

Any new fiction could work just has to be a real good story..

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76. "true."
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right now we'd unite around race to lift us over white oppression. when we're not being oppressed by whitey in our new digs will race be enough to keep us together?

btw - they came up w/this 'race' shit. if we unite around it we'll still be playing their game, won't we?

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82. "RE: true."
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Problem is race "as a unifying story" is only strong in western nations. It would be hard for Africa and Caribbean to see (or believe) things the same way.

I do think that as countries on the continent become more open to travel and the cultural connectivity (music, fashion) strengthens... you will see more economic connectivity which would be necessary for a new fiction to be created.

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