I mean outside of the usual suspects saying "PC culture is ruining America" and meaning "I can't say what I used to say or say hateful things out loud...." I want to really understand what people mean when they say "PC Culture"

some folks legit see it as a big threat which is a-kind-of-totally-fucked-up-way-to-see-the-world.

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Because diversity seems (in application) to mean "let's give most if not everyone of color the least paying jobs"

>some folks legit see it as a big threat which is
>a-kind-of-totally-fucked-up-way-to-see-the-world.


Also, "PC culture" is very passive-aggressive, so they almost ALWAYS give themselves an out when confronted about their nonsense.

This is a primary tactic: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victim_playing

This is the culture: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passive-aggressive_behavior


There aren't many "clear" examples because whenever overly-PC types are called out on their bullshit they throw themselves on the floor and start sobbing (figuratively-speaking), accusing others of being "so angry" or "too invested" or some other emotional attack.

If you really want to see shit for what it is just look at what people do and not what they say... it's clear-as-day then.

<--- Big Baller World Order

not only do they not have the tools to keep up
they don't have the tools to adapt
i grew up in the hood and some of those people can't comprehend gender pronouns
or give a fuck about female vs women or DAPL
so they may have some ignorant shit fly from they keyboard or Facebook and get railroaded into just not speaking
I'd love for them to have the drive to grow and learn..but some people don't have that capacity and their only choice is to dig they feet in on the fucked up shit they say or shut up

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Navem nu, cuando sol
Tutu nu, vondo nos nu
Vita em, no continous non
Nos nu ekta nos sepe ta, amen

When the sun shades the ship
We sweat and life is not safe
To swim or to touch not
When we unite we hedge amen

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what'chu mean happy holidays? why not wish me a merry christmas/happy kwanzaa/happy chanukah/happy festivus

or the opposite. if i wish you happy whatever and i'm specific and you flip on me and ask me why i didn't make it a general happy holiday.

is that what you mean?


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>or the opposite. if i wish you happy whatever and i'm specific
>and you flip on me and ask me why i didn't make it a general
>happy holiday.

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NCAA BB: Arizona / NCAA FB: Michigan
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I pretty much stopped saying anything around here lately.

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>I pretty much stopped saying anything around here lately.

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Back again for the first time.

last year. and i had just met her the day before. previously i had only heard "happy holidays? COME ON." used sarcastically by comedians. i was stunned that someone so close to my immediate family could actually think like that

can't say I've ever had such an encounter, the only signs of the "War on Christmas" I've seen are from people who are absolutely convinced it is a real thing, and see it as another form of soft persecution for their beliefs (slight exaggeration but not that much, I live in TX)

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MLB: Mets / Soccer: PSG
NCAA BB: Arizona / NCAA FB: Michigan
NBA: Spurs / NFL: Jets

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"merry christmas"

only people that have gotten mad about people saying "happy holidays" which is ironic

in 2016 you should never assume someone lives a certain way. i dont give a shit about the phrases "happy holidays/merry christmas"... i just feel sorry that someone could be so close minded and in their bubble that they dont think its possible for someone to not celebrate christmas or maybe they have zero family and friends and want the holiday season to pass. unless you have some evidence (i.e. theyre buying xmas gift wrapping or wearing a reindeer sweater) please dont project your way of life onto others.

of dumb shit.

"projecting your way of life onto someone else?"

so if I say "have a good evening" when you want to have a bad one or are in a funk it's projecting my way of life onto you?

seriously?

FOH

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Its just a normal greeting, and normally used because they don't want to say Christmas and upset a person that doesn't celebrate it.

When you have off for work for Christmas they call that shit a Holiday Vacation. I don't see nan person saying "Nah fuck a Holiday I'm taking my ass to work!" Them niggas off with everybody else because it is a Holiday. It might not be YOUR Holiday, but it is one.

You get upset at someone saying something like that just to be friendly then you're an idiot, and probably why no one wants to be around you.

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those people are ALWAYS looking for a reason to be offended

they like to argue, they love being miserable. They walk into every establishment looking for shit that's wrong so they can stay in their funk.

How the hell are we supposed to know? Just don't speak until "they project their life onto yours" and then respond accordingly?

see how fucked up that is?

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it's the holiday season man. Thanksgiving, Christmas, Hanukkah, Kwanza, New Years Eve, etc... Enjoy the well wishes, and celebrate your holiday. If you wish me a Merry Christmas, i won't take it as an offense unless you're one of those weird fucks who says it all aggressively, like a threat, because you perceived my 'Happy Holidays' as a war on your Christmas. Also, don't be one of those dicks yelling Merry Christmas as muslims or jews. not cool.

it's a weird fight to pick. I work in a office that's at least half Jewish, so for us it's The Holidays. Everyone is allowed at the party. If you're Jewish, happy Hanukkah. No Worries. If you're Christian and you celebrate Christmas, then it's Merry Christmas. Who gives a shit. If I'm not sure where you fall, I'll throw you a sincere Happy Holidays and keep it moving.

This is one people on both sides just really need to chill the fuck out on imo.

In a generation of swine, the one-eyed pig is king.
-Hunter S. Thompson

I don't celebrate, no xmas tree, no nothing, it's just another day to me
yet I don't get mad or go off on a "Merry Christmas" greeting.
My mom didn't raise an asshole so I say "thank you, and merry christmas to you too" or some variation and KIM
It's not that hard

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cause the back up kicker is an atheist

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because FUCK a school prayer.

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All meetings end in separation
All acquisition ends in dispersion
All life ends in death
- The Buddha

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Every hundred years, all new people

that got me excited!

that was my goal

~ ~ ~
All meetings end in separation
All acquisition ends in dispersion
All life ends in death
- The Buddha

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='_'=

Every hundred years, all new people

fuck you and your little feewings about a 30 second prayer.

that shit ain't hurting your life.

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it works both ways

but don't stop me from praying

I think that's the difference.

if you don't pray, cool... but don't stop others from doing it.

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anywhere

as long as you do it QUIETLY and so long as the SCHOOL isn't sponsoring it, so that you/school are not promoting a religion. Any religion.

You can say a quiet, private prayer at any time before, during, or after a sporting event. That's not the issue.

The issue is whether it is a SCHOOL-sponsored and promoted agenda item.

~ ~ ~
All meetings end in separation
All acquisition ends in dispersion
All life ends in death
- The Buddha

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Every hundred years, all new people

cuz the aftermath will be he larry us

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Coolin...

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Why does whatever you say or do have to hurt someone in order for you not to like it?

"Why can't you just say xyz? What does it hurt you to say it instead of abc?"

^^^ That's such a bullshit ass justification.

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"Where was the peace when we were getting shot? Where's the peace when we were getting laid out?
Where is the peace when we are in the back of ambulances? Where is the peace then?
They don't want to call for peace then.

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All meetings end in separation
All acquisition ends in dispersion
All life ends in death
- The Buddha

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Every hundred years, all new people

absolutely
not

You want prayer in school, go to a private school

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All meetings end in separation
All acquisition ends in dispersion
All life ends in death
- The Buddha

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Every hundred years, all new people

most times it's the players who want to pray before a game.

and some pray after.

the atheist don't have to participate but why stop those who do?

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are you sure it's not the school? If a few players go someplace quiet and say a prayer, that's not imposing on others. But if the players say, well, we are the majority and therefore we get to be loud and intrusive, then no. Not okay. That does impinge on the rights of others.

Also, one of the reasons for the Judicial Branch of the government is to "prevent a tyranny of the majority." The majority of people harmed others in the Cultural Revolution in China. The majority of people harmed others in Germany in WWII. The majority is not right by virtue of being the majority. A moral, legal, and ethical consideration is required.

The protection of people in the minority is an essential part of the rule of law in this country. Brown v. Board of Education caused outrage and backlash, indeed, so has any progress in affording Black people greater protection and equality. Does the fact that the majority of people in this country are racist make racism right?

This is a secular country. We do not have a state religion. Your words in prayer may not hurt me, but I'm a middle aged white cis lawyer. I have the strength of my convictions and I know that the law protects me. Young people *are* harmed by normalizing one religion at the expense of another or at the expense of no religion, just the way Black people are harmed by normalizing the "majority" position that Black people are dangerous.



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All meetings end in separation
All acquisition ends in dispersion
All life ends in death
- The Buddha

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Every hundred years, all new people

where exactly is it that a kid stops, prays, and someone says DON'T DO THAT

or is that not really a thing that happens?

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

pretty sure it was a hot topic a few years ago.

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www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

because it's unconstitutional, aka the highest law in the land.

good talk!

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

Is it a mandate?

Are you saying that every high school athletic team who prays before or after a game does so by school sponsored mandate and every player is required to participate and that there are no instances where the school sponsored mandate isn't a part of it?

I know you really want to make up some stuff I didn't say, so why don't you just have a discussion with yourself about things you'd like to pretend I said.

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

a school administrator I would prolly not want any school staff to participate so as not to give the impression that its school sponsored or that there would be some sort of repercussions for not participating.

But to your original point, if everyone on your team isn't cool with the idea of group pre game prayer, Why would you impose those beliefs or practices on others?

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

>a school administrator I would prolly not want any school
>staff to participate so as not to give the impression that its
>school sponsored or that there would be some sort of
>repercussions for not participating.

Agreed. That's just good sense.

>But to your original point, if everyone on your team isn't
>cool with the idea of group pre game prayer, Why would you
>impose those beliefs or practices on others?

How exactly is a group prayer imposing any belief or practice on anyone else?

Unless there's a mandate with repercussions that's not valid. In fact, denying other students the ability to pray as they see fit is just as bad as mandating that a student participates. If 5% of the students who do not wish to participate are the catalyst that says the remaining 95% can't do it at all, that's every bit as bad.

the ability to pray either.

If folks wanna pray pregame, they can pray...whether that's isolated or part of a group. Just like if they wanna spend pre game singing a song, taking a group photo, whatever else gets them ready for pregame.

At the point that its 'hey, everyone, lets get to together for this group prayer' I'd think that is a bit much bc it assumes that everyone prays or is okay with praying in a similar manner and/or about the same topics that you do.

At the same time, an invitation to group prayer isn't something i'd get all worked about it either. Just don't impose and assume i want to pray with you as in grab my hand, close your eyes, and start talking to god

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

like, if you could communicate privately with the god of your choice and there was literally nothing anyone could do about it.

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

of my statement so he could try to disagree with me.

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

your beliefs on others.

What is the purpose of the prayer? Is it to get god's blessing or as some form of team bonding exercise.

if its to get gods blessing, wouldn't the prayer be as powerful as a silent one.

IF its for team bonding, wouldn't it make more sense to do something that is inclusive of everyone's beliefs?

I reffed a game once, and before we went out there, this ref held our hands and started praying. FIRST OF ALL, unless you a female don't hold my hand. 2ndly, don't just start praying without asking me if i want to join. And give me back my hand.

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

the weird thing is they don't think that what they're doing is "pc culture"

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

And naked racism is seen and ACCEPTED on a daily fucking basis.

Bigots are quick to complain about political correctness gone mad, but bigots are fucking morons by definition so assuming they have applied a rigorous thought process to a statement dribbling out of their gaping maw is almost certainly giving them too much credit.

Political correctness NEEDS to run amok.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=99s19HBs-6A

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forever.

All "PC" means is "polite" or "kind" or "taking other people's feelings into account".

The people who say that "PC" is a bad thing are the ones who also say "damn, people used to be so considerate, but I guess children aren't taught to be polite any more."


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All meetings end in separation
All acquisition ends in dispersion
All life ends in death
- The Buddha

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Every hundred years, all new people

I think PC is good, it means I'm not going to be an asshole because of someones background or how they look different than me.

But I do agree that there is a thing that is going too far, like the example homie gave above about saying something like "Happy Holidays" and someone losing their damn mind. It's a general greeting.

If I greeted a man with "Hello sir" and he lost his shit saying how dare I assume his gender then I'm going to be caught off guard. I feel like its an overreaction thing.

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people lose their shit over *any* thing, and normally we just read it as someone having a bad day or being inherently assholish. these specific examples only get blown out of proportion because they're bursting people's bubbles.

people who take issue with "p.c. culture" aren't complaining about unpleasant human interactions like this happy holidays shit. no need to throw that in the box. they're complaining about having to live their lives being considerate of people that don't share their experiences and assumptions.

which is fucked up, because most of the "pc" people they're complaining about are probably bending over backwards to fit in and get by with the majority.

I can open doors, say "thank you", help an elderly person, respect my parents, etc and turn my head to look your way and call you a retard.

What's stupid about it all is that not everyone is offended by "un-PC" labels and the like. There are "little people" that are not offended by the term "midget" and some that are.

Eastern Michigan University's teams were called the Hurons. In the early 90's white folks decided that it was offensive to Natives and that a name change was in order to be more "PC". The Wyandot people had no issue whatsoever with it and, in fact, the chief said that it was an honor to be associated with the school in that manner. The name was changed anyways.


On top of this, what people deem to be PC today will inevitably be offensive tomorrow so there's almost no way for your language to be PC at all times:

"Feeble Minded" was the medical term for a person with mental deficiencies along with "idiot" and "imbecile" (yes... these were actual, factual medical classifications). It was replaced by "moron", which itself was replaced with "mental retardation", which itself is now "intellectual disability", but even that term is slowly being regarded as an insult.

"Disabled" or "handicapped" are being seen as insulting nowadays with some folks preferring "special needs" or "challenged".

There's no real way to be PC; you're going to offend someone at some point despite your best efforts.

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"Where was the peace when we were getting shot? Where's the peace when we were getting laid out?
Where is the peace when we are in the back of ambulances? Where is the peace then?
They don't want to call for peace then.

that those who are offended might not be justified in feeling that way

what's stupid is that we've stalled out so much on progress with things like relating to people with physical or intellectual differences that people have to keep inventing new labels to try to stay ahead of negative connotations and prejudice, and we keep applying the same baggage to new words.

language is going to change regardless. the evolution of other nouns and adjectives isn't loaded, and we don't discuss that as "p.c." so words changing and people having to keep up isn't the problem. we don't wring our hands at the changing popularity of children's names.

we keep up with new slang and new media trends. but it's too much to recognize that there are some *SLIGHT* differences between the 70s/80s and today in what kind of language is likely to be considered offensive? it ain't really all that hard.

politeness and consideration really are the issues here.