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TRENDone
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"RIP to the victims of the Oakland Fire, prayers to their families."


  

          

was there an anchor over the weekend?

http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/Death-toll-from-Oakland-warehouse-fire-rises-to-36-10691827.php

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46 dead, all under age of 35
Dec 06th 2016
1
Shit. My friend's friend who was missing is on the new list of names
Dec 06th 2016
2
I've been fucked up all weekend.
Dec 06th 2016
3
honestly, when I heard about the fire
Dec 06th 2016
12
      Thanks for that
Dec 06th 2016
28
           I was at the Kamau Bell/Jeff Adachi/Deray McKesson/Favianno Rodriguezz
Dec 06th 2016
35
guy I went to hs with was killed
Dec 06th 2016
4
oh shit i just realized i know his mom
Dec 06th 2016
6
I've heard it's the worst structural damage by fire in CA since 1906.
Dec 06th 2016
8
Reminds you how close our communities have become
Dec 06th 2016
5
RIP to the victims of the Oakland Fire, prayers to their families.
Dec 06th 2016
7
how/why did the fire start?
Dec 06th 2016
9
house was a big code violation
Dec 06th 2016
11
an untold number of art pieces made of wood and flammables
Dec 06th 2016
13
Warehouse Mgr: It was tough watching this earlier this morning.
Dec 06th 2016
15
      Dude needs to stay off of Twitter, hire a lawyer, and STFU
Dec 06th 2016
17
      Yeah. It sounds like a lawyer standing next to him in this...
Dec 06th 2016
18
      yeah.
Dec 06th 2016
19
      Damn I thought that was Shabba Doo(Ozone)
Dec 06th 2016
27
i read somewhere that a couple had just installed a fridge
Dec 06th 2016
14
Lot of the live-ins were using propane tanks as heaters
Dec 06th 2016
16
pretty much all of my bay area folks are dealing with this.
Dec 06th 2016
10
Lot of West Coast music folks in general... I lost an old friend
Dec 06th 2016
23
Sucks. While blame is gonna go to the owner/rentor
Dec 06th 2016
20
There's going to be enough blame to go around
Dec 06th 2016
21
I totally agree
Dec 06th 2016
22
      I wanna punch people who talk like that:
Dec 06th 2016
24
      sounds possible I may know your friend's son
Dec 06th 2016
30
      RE: sounds possible I may know your friend's son
Dec 06th 2016
32
           yeah - what a thing
Dec 06th 2016
34
      i have attended several 'illegal', 'unauthorized' parties
Dec 06th 2016
33
           Yep, this entirely.
Dec 07th 2016
36
lack of affordable housing
Dec 06th 2016
26
the city may actually end up bearing the brunt legally
Dec 06th 2016
31
2016 can eat a dick
Dec 06th 2016
25
I'd like 2016 to punch itself in the dick right now
Dec 06th 2016
29
I pass by the warehouse on the train to and from work
Dec 07th 2016
37
:-(
Dec 07th 2016
40
Rising Prices in Oakland Push Artists Into Risky Housing (swipe)
Dec 07th 2016
38
Basically, it's what many of you have already shared...
Dec 07th 2016
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      Yup. Particularly since the arts + bay go hand in hand
Dec 08th 2016
42
Prayers go to the families and friends
Dec 07th 2016
41
nothing to add that hasn't already been said, except...
Dec 08th 2016
43
LMAO... same here man
Dec 08th 2016
44

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1. "46 dead, all under age of 35"
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Tue Dec-06-16 02:38 AM by TRENDone

  

          

http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2016/12/05/10-more-victims-of-oakland-warehouse-fire-identified-by-coroner/

one of the victims was a former student (didn't know her)

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2. "Shit. My friend's friend who was missing is on the new list of names"
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This is just fucking awful.

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3. "I've been fucked up all weekend. "
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A girl I recently met is in that list of names. I only met her in passing, but a few of my good friends brought her around last month to a party I spin at. I had the same event this past Saturday and they rolled through to try and distract themselves while the communal missing persons Google doc was being updated.

While I didn't know her well at all, it was tough to see my folks break down and go through it as the text confirmation came in.

I can't think of anyone in the Bay Area creative community who wasn't affected by this. Fucking terrible all around.

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12. "honestly, when I heard about the fire"
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the first thing I did was check your twitter to see whether you were posting. It sounded just like a crowd you might run in.

This feels like a throwback to 9/11, when I knew a ton of people who worked in the world trade center. And these were young, beautiful, creative people and the loss to society and the world is immeasurable.

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28. "Thanks for that"
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Yeah I wasn't able to make it out to the vigil last night, but it seemed cathartic for a lot of my friends that attended. There's a good piece on the KQED site that's been able to articulate how a lot of folks are feeling.

https://ww2.kqed.org/arts/2016/12/04/it-could-have-been-any-one-of-us/

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35. "I was at the Kamau Bell/Jeff Adachi/Deray McKesson/Favianno Rodriguezz"
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panel discussion "Equal Justic Post-Obama"

I felt really bad that the fire wasn't mentioned. I mean, I know it wasn't a topic, but I felt like it needed to be acknowledged. There were a lot of people from that milieu in the audience.

Aside from that it was a really good, really thoughtful discussion

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4. "guy I went to hs with was killed"
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not anyone I'm friends with as an adult, but we had a lot of classes together I remember him well

shit is terrible

peace to all

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6. "oh shit i just realized i know his mom"
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we weren't friends, but i worked with/know his mom, she's still in my world. damn damn damn

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8. "I've heard it's the worst structural damage by fire in CA since 1906."
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very tragic. it didn't start setting in til sunday and yesterday.

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5. "Reminds you how close our communities have become"
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Tue Dec-06-16 05:49 AM by TheAlbionist

  

          

Through various links to promoters and people involved in dance music culture, it's kind of astounding there were so many people hit by this that I'm only a couple of degrees of separation from - this could've happened at any number of hastily thrown together warehouse parties I've been to in and around London.... and could've easily taken a friend. It's taken at least one friend from people I love.

RIP to anyone who loses their life trying to live it.

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7. "RIP to the victims of the Oakland Fire, prayers to their families."
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Tragic...

  

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9. "how/why did the fire start?"
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-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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11. "house was a big code violation"
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dude was renting the building


and subletting to other creatives from what I understand.

Don't know what started the fire, but I have read that there were wooden pallets for makeshift steps, re-purposed pianos/pieces..


imagine if you made your entire abode from a lot of flammable stuff (pallet wood, acrylic paint, canvasses etc.).

It's fucked up.

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13. "an untold number of art pieces made of wood and flammables"
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combined w/faulty wiring (including extension cords upon extension cords to siphon power from a nearby building) and heat lamps and generators (b/c...December in Oakland) and butane torches (art projects)...motherfucking gasoline-powered RV's parked INSIDE the bldg (for WHAT?)...and it was just a massive fire hazard, apparently.

fuck you.

  

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15. "Warehouse Mgr: It was tough watching this earlier this morning. "
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http://www.today.com/news/oakland-warehouse-manager-derick-almena-anguished-today-show-interview-t105643

  

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17. "Dude needs to stay off of Twitter, hire a lawyer, and STFU"
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He's probably going to be the center of a criminal investigation. And any day now the lawsuits are going to start flying. He needs to keep as low profile as possible.

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18. "Yeah. It sounds like a lawyer standing next to him in this..."
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Tue Dec-06-16 01:07 PM by Creole

  

          

Prior to this being aired, he was shown (with his wife by his side) giving another interview where he said that he's now scared that his children could be taken from him.

Bad situation all around. There's plenty of blame to be doled out across the board. Right now though, this is a tough time for all involved and not really IMO the place or time to be looking for a villain.

Again, God bless the families who are grieving for the loss of their loved ones.

  

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19. "yeah."
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if i were him i'd issue some kind of statement and that would be my only words for a while. and i'd lay as low as possible w/o running.

fuck you.

  

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27. "Damn I thought that was Shabba Doo(Ozone)"
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14. "i read somewhere that a couple had just installed a fridge"
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the electric situation was complained about often and the master tenant who rented the rest of the rooms out to artists didn't do anything to fix it. The fridge is thought to be where the fire started but I also read that's just a theory and it's impossible to tell

i don't know how people were asleep while a damn near rave was going on upstairs, shit is bananas. Seemed like an older crowd that lived in the building compared to similar converted and illegal housing in Brooklyn.

Also the stairway that lead out of the upper floor where the party was going was mostly made of wood. That means the people upstairs were quite possibly trapped while the fire ran through the lower floor.

  

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16. "Lot of the live-ins were using propane tanks as heaters"
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Which is a big no-no.

I'm not sure if that's what starting everything, but it's one of the things that people are talking about.

The day after there was some buzz about it being arson (talk of three side of the building catching fire at the same time), but that appears to have died down.

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10. "pretty much all of my bay area folks are dealing with this. "
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i had drinks this past weekend with a few folks from the bay area and we all realized we had direct and indirect connections.

a good friend lost her long term ex boyfriend

its rough.

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23. "Lot of West Coast music folks in general... I lost an old friend"
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My heart fucking dropped when I saw a list of missing people on Saturday and saw someone I had played a show with and befriended while touring a bit in the Bay a few years back. We had lost contact since then but it's been a fucking bummer the last few days.

Had another closer friend who was supposed to have gone but didn't cause of work (I actually first heard of this cause he posted on Facebook Saturday morning that he missed the warehouse fire) and pretty much all my LA music friends know at least one person lost... it's been horrible.

  

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20. "Sucks. While blame is gonna go to the owner/rentor"
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The city needs to take a look at itself too;

when its hard to have legal spaces, people will find a way to do it illegally.

  

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21. "There's going to be enough blame to go around"
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The property manager, the landlord, the owner of the building, the renters, the city. Lawsuits are going to start flying any day now.

I put a good share of the blame on the Bay Area housing crisis. Ever since property owners have decided to turn Oakland into SF West to deal with the overflow of techies who can't afford the SF rent, dozens of places like this have popped up, just in the downtown area alone.

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22. "I totally agree"
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>I put a good share of the blame on the Bay Area housing
>crisis. Ever since property owners have decided to turn
>Oakland into SF West to deal with the overflow of techies who
>can't afford the SF rent, dozens of places like this have
>popped up, just in the downtown area alone.

I just had coffee with a friend whose son's oldest and best friend died in the fire. He didn't live there -- he was the veejay. She said that if her son and his wife weren't in Barcelona, they probably would have been at the party.

People think this is some kind of scam, like, oh they were drug-addled scroungers who deserved what they got, and I can only see our future going up in smoke and brimstone. What brilliant young person hasn't been counter culture? Why can't we protect our children from the deadly effects of greed? I just am so angry and so sad.



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24. "I wanna punch people who talk like that:"
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>People think this is some kind of scam, like, oh they were
>drug-addled scroungers who deserved what they got, and I can
>only see our future going up in smoke and brimstone.

Seriously, these were young people just out trying to have a good time. What person hasn't gotten too drunk/high or gone to party in a sketchy area when they were in their teens/twenties? Or they were artists trying to find a place to live in a city that is becoming all but completely unfriendly to anyone who isn't making $75k a year (at least).


>I just had coffee with a friend whose son's oldest and best
>friend died in the fire. He didn't live there -- he was the
>veejay. She said that if her son and his wife weren't in
>Barcelona, they probably would have been at the party.

Co-worker of mine said she wasn't "invited" to that particular party, but if she was, or she had been told be a friend to head over, she could have easily ended up there. Just so messed up.

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30. "sounds possible I may know your friend's son"
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sounds like we're talking about being connected to the same man who was killed

as I mentioned, I know his mom, it's so very sad

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32. "RE: sounds possible I may know your friend's son"
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Jonathan?

My friend is helping his parents decide the right way to memorialize him. They're thinking about a private foundation that will fund an underground/outsider artist every year.

It's just heartbreaking.

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34. "yeah - what a thing"
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this whole thing

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33. "i have attended several 'illegal', 'unauthorized' parties"
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in shady spaces like abandoned warehouses, artist workspaces that have been converted to living spaces, abandoned churches. so when i heard about this i was devastated for those who lost their lives and their families. and then i thought of all of those parties and similar events i've attended.

those folks were just out to have a good time and support a community of artists. they didn't deserve this.

fuck you.

  

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36. "Yep, this entirely."
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I spent the first few years of my time in London trawling for warehouse/illegal parties because tbh, they're the best parties in any city.

Unless genuinely sensible licensing conditions are given to "proper" venues, we'll still all rush to the warehouse parties if they're the only places that allow us to socialise how we want... and we'll all necessarily take the risk that venues aren't up to fire code or other pieces of health and safety.

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26. "lack of affordable housing"
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people are gonna get it how they live.


heard a story in the barber shop about a property owner finding out her RENTER was SUBLETTING up to 5 dudes per room in a FIVE BEDROOM HOME at $500/person.

They were undocumented; they not gon tell.

You pay your rent and cash out on the rest.....

shame.

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31. "the city may actually end up bearing the brunt legally"
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its a lot of attention on the inspection department that is being accused of dropping the ball on their open investigations, I imagine they'll be the focus of lawsuits as much as the owner/lead tenant

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25. "2016 can eat a dick"
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29. "I'd like 2016 to punch itself in the dick right now"
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and then eat it

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37. "I pass by the warehouse on the train to and from work"
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to see it on the news all weekend allowed my brain to rationilize that it happened in some far away place, but to actually see the building on Monday morning was sobering. I have noticed that building before due to the art on the walls, but it didn't stand out from the other warehouses along the Freemont Bart Line that artists used as canvases. to actually see the building and knowing there was still bodies in there was emptying. you could hear a collective gasp from the other BART passengers, who, like me, probably had never noticed that building before.

so much talent gone in one quick horrific tragedy. incredibly sad.

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40. ":-("
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It's so heavy around here. And then this huge number of people I work with are like, hey did you hear there was a fire? while I'm off trying not to cry about the loss of life and creativity and beauty.

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38. "Rising Prices in Oakland Push Artists Into Risky Housing (swipe)"
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http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/06/us/oakland-fire-real-estate-housing.html

OAKLAND, Calif. — San Francisco is full of big dreams. Oakland is where people make them work.

The city of about 400,000 sits on the east side of San Francisco Bay and historically has served as a low-priced alternative to its more famous neighbor, a place where service workers could buy a home, young professionals could get an extra bedroom and artists lived in low-rent warehouses while sleeping beside their next installation.

But over the past few years, as prices have surged across the Bay Area, Oakland’s pricing advantages have mostly eroded. Rents have increased 70 percent in five years, more than in any other big city in the nation, according to Zillow, the online real estate pricing service. The city’s $2,899 median rent is now among the highest, and just short of median rents in Manhattan.

The conditions that led to the fire that killed at least 36 people on Friday night was a result of a dangerous mix of factors in which dozens of partygoers were invited to a warehouse that was dark, congested and mazelike, with flammable art and a jerry-built electrical system.

The victims died because they were trapped in a tinderbox. Yet the economic backdrop of the tragedy is also important because it shows how rising rents and fears of eviction can push vulnerable people in a desperate search for housing to unsafe spaces.

Oakland’s housing prices have always fluctuated with Bay Area booms and busts, and complaints about gentrification were part of the 1990s dot-com boom here as well. The effects are more pronounced this time around because as tech companies have migrated closer to San Francisco from places like Palo Alto and Mountain View, Oakland has been pulled deeper into Silicon Valley’s orbit. Uber, the ride-hailing service now valued at almost $70 billion, plans to open an office in downtown Oakland in the next year or so.

This crisis isn’t limited to the Bay Area. Across the country, and especially in expensive cities like New York and Seattle, urban areas have been flooded with high-paid tech and finance workers who have pushed up rents. Blue-collar workers and families have been displaced to cheaper housing on the fringe, but many creative types have made do by finding alternative living arrangements like industrial property, recreational vehicles and even boats.

In Oakland, where for decades warehouses have served as a haven for artists, this often means living at the whims of any landlord willing to look the other way.

“There’s a kind of unholy alliance in which these buildings are leased with a ‘nod nod, wink wink, nobody lives there,’ ” said Thomas Dolan, an Oakland architect who specializes in live/work spaces and helps building owners convert illegally occupied warehouses into legally occupied lofts. “It’s a precarious situation where tenants exchange cheap rent for substandard housing — and if they rock the boat, they’re out.”

In the aftermath of the fire, artists’ grief over lost friends quickly turned to anxiety that a crackdown could lead to widespread eviction from one of the Bay Area’s few remaining sources of affordable housing.

“The longer-term fear is, ‘Does this mean the end of these spaces in the Bay Area and with it the last vestige of any kind of affordable artists community?’” said Aaron Muszalski, an artist who has spent the past two decades living and working in warehouses across the region.

Unlike San Francisco, whose once-gritty waterfront has been transformed into a high-end neighborhood where the San Francisco Giants play next to multimillion-dollar condominiums, Oakland can still lay claim to the Bay Area’s industrial past. There are bars still frequented by dockworkers, and hipsters wear T-shirts emblazoned with the hulking white cranes that line the Port of Oakland.

Many of the city’s industrial warehouses originally served as a waypoint where shippers stored cargo. But as international commerce was accelerated by “containerization” — the process by which rectangular crates full of products like California wine and Chinese electronics can be loaded by cranes between boats and trucks — warehouses went empty and artists moved in.

The result has been a vast gray economy of live/work spaces that, legal or not, are regarded as an important source of affordable housing and part of what makes Oakland, Oakland.

“There have been efforts to legalize Oakland’s live/work spaces for years,” said Joshua Simon, executive director the East Bay Asian Local Development Corporation, a nonprofit that helps develop affordable housing. “Today it’s critical that we find ways to use every housing option that’s safe — the worst thing we could do would be to overreact and eliminate this type of housing as an option.”

The catch, however, is that once a loft becomes legal the rent becomes unaffordable. So while living in an illegal space may require things like coping with a makeshift kitchen with a sink that drains into a bucket, it’s better than living nowhere.

“You bring these places up to code and you end up pricing out the people who make Oakland such a great place,” Mr. Dolan said.

Cheap rent is not the only draw. Several current and former warehouse residents described being absorbed into a broad community centered on building and making noise, whether it’s daytime hammering and welding, or throbbing nighttime parties whose locations are secret.

Part of the bonding experience is in maintaining the charade that nobody lives there.

There are rituals like renting U-Haul trucks to store mattresses on days when the building owner sends an insurance inspector over. If the fire department knocks, you ignore it.

Before he became the owner of the Starline Social Club, an Oakland bar and music space, Adam Hatch, 38, was part of an illegal live/work art gallery called Lobot. He remains connected with the scene, and on Monday night his bar was full of A’s hats, Raiders jackets and tears as patrons observed a moment of silence for a victim who painted nails there on Monday nights.

“Sometimes it’s just sort of magical to be in a place you’re not supposed to be,” Mr. Hatch said of the warehouse scene.

But there is also a risk, as the fire at the warehouse, known as the Ghost Ship, showed. Most of the power accrues to the so-called master tenant — the person whose name is on the lease.

The people who lived at Ghost Ship in the months preceding the fire painted varying pictures of that dynamic.

Shelley Mack, 58, moved into one of several mobile homes housed inside the warehouse in October 2014, paying $700 a month. Soon, she said, the building’s head tenant, Derick Ion Almena, was asking her for another $700, this time for upkeep. She said he cut off electricity for people who disagreed with him and blocked an upstairs exit.

Others, however, said they were just happy to have a place to live. Josh Hershberger, 31, a tattoo artist and muralist, had been homeless before he found the warehouse. Mr. Almena let him pay rent by the day — $10 or $20 — and provided him with a community. “This was my home. It was a foundation.”

Without the Ghost Ship, he said, he would have been on the street.

A version of this article appears in print on December 7, 2016, on page A14 of the New York edition with the headline: Pushed by Prices Into Illegal and Risky Warehouses. Order Reprints| Today's Paper|Subscribe


  

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39. "Basically, it's what many of you have already shared..."
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42. "Yup. Particularly since the arts + bay go hand in hand"
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Like without San Fran's art scene you wouldn't have had the real estate boom that you have now; they made it an attractive city for tech geeks to try to reinvent themselves.

And they are needed; when those geeks look around and see that basically the Bay's become one big google campus, they are going to try to get jobs elsewhere that's 'hipper' along with the trust fund kids.

Its disheartening to see a liberal city like San Fran drop the ball, it makes me think there's no hope for other places like NY or LA. And the thing is the artists gonna make their art no matter what; its just not in the big cities, to their detriment.

  

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41. "Prayers go to the families and friends"
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that truly was sad and just has a sad undertone.

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43. "nothing to add that hasn't already been said, except..."
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why did several of my FB friends *check in safe*? half of 'em don't even live in oakland and all of em would never even be caught in fruitvale, let alone in a busted up warehouse @ midnight.

the vanity's remarkable.

  

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44. "LMAO... same here man"
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anything for likes and comments though


  

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