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"Young M.A. The Most Visible Black Queer Woman in Hip-Hop Is a Misogynist"


          

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http://www.theroot.com/articles/culture/2016/11/young-ma-hip-hop-lesbian-misogyny/

Young M.A.: The Most Visible Black Queer Woman in Hip-Hop Is a Misogynist
If Chance the Rapper represents the Carefree Black Boy, Young M.A. represents the Audacious Black Dyke—bold, unyielding and unapologetically herself. This is why her visibility is both exciting and deeply troubling.

BY: SAMANTHA MASTER
Posted: November 30, 2016

Young M.A., a gritty rap phenom who channeled the swagger of Brooklyn and the heart of ’90s East Coast hip-hop, slid onto radio airwaves across the nation in the throes of Drake’s Summer Sixteen Tour.

“Ooouuu,” her viral single, is the first mainstream hip-hop record by an out, masculine-presenting lesbian that contains explicit affirmations of queer and gender-nonconforming identities.

In describing the power and resistance of the Carefree Black Boy as embodied by artists like Chance the Rapper and Young Thug, writer Doreen St. Félix remarks, “Black masculinity has been loaded with policing myths, but it has never been monolithic, in reality. Queerness, femininity, slyness, daintiness, and strength drive the spirit of the masculine, even when this multiplicity isn’t visible, isn’t meant to be discernible to many viewers.”

If Chance the Rapper represents the Carefree Black Boy, Young M.A. represents the Audacious Black Dyke—bold, unyielding and unapologetically herself. I have known and loved these women since I was 14, and they perplex and intrigue me in equal measure. This is why Young M.A.’s visibility is both exciting and deeply troubling.

While there has never been a shortage of queer women in all facets of rap or music or artistry, Young M.A. is different. The unabashed declaration of herself as a lesbian and her masculine gender presentation are a marked departure from anything preceding her in mainstream hip-hop. Upon first glance, it is easy to miss the revolutionary nature of Young M.A., but her presence in rap is a radical representation of how conversations around the fluidity of gender and sexuality in mainstream culture have created space in a genre that has been discarded as deeply and irredeemably misogynistic and homophobic.

And yet her success, and the success of her gender-fluid counterparts, including Young Thug, are partly rooted in an affirmation of and nod to the old guard of gangsta rap: heterosexism and misogyny.

My queer-feminist worldview could not have come into consciousness without the clapbacks of black women in rap, including Eve, Trina, Gangsta Boo, Mia X, La Chat, Lil’ Kim and many more. However, with painfully few exceptions, the last 20 years of black women in mainstream hip-hop have almost always maintained the straight-presenting, high-femme sexual aesthetic set forth by Lil’ Kim and Foxy Brown.

Young M.A. meaningfully breaks this mold while walking in the beautiful and storied tradition of black studs, AGs, doms, bois and butches.

Unfortunately, though, and perhaps expectedly, while black queer and transgender women are organizing toward black liberation on the front lines of movements and giving new language to building black power, Young M.A., in some ways, has used the cultural space largely created by black women to promote the re-enactment of elements of toxic masculinity.

Her ascendance in rap raises an important question: Is visibility alone ever really radical?

The answer is messy, complicated, uncertain and unclear. Importantly, queer masculine-of-center women like Young M.A. have been largely invisibilized because they are often either read as black men or experience being targeted and harassed because of their sexuality, gender and gender presentation. And yet, far too often, our masculine-of-center sistren—and femme ones, too, for that matter—aren’t immune to the adoption of gender norms and stereotypes that denigrate femininity, including femme women.

Without deeply addressing how white supremacy, misogyny, heterosexism, cis-sexism, classism and other oppressive systems shape and manifest in our lives, we cannot do the critical work of building a black future that is liberatory to all black people. Visibility is important, but it is an inadequate placeholder for creating a truly liberatory value system.

While problematic by many rights, Young M.A. is a striking and timely reminder that to be black is to be queer; not always in the literal sense, but blackness itself has been situated so outside of what is acceptable, revered and honorable that by its very nature, blackness is the “other.”

It has been “queered” to be the antithesis of normality. The queerness of blackness is what has resulted in the beautiful and remarkable creation that we call “black culture.” It is the reality that has given way to the ghettos and hip-hop and resistance that rappers have always rhymed about.

What Young M.A. means for the future of black women in rap has yet to be determined, but we must vigilantly continue to make space for people like her while holding her accountable for the toxicity of messages she pushes around women.

If we are working toward freedom, misogyny, no matter whose mouth it comes from, can have no seat at the table.

Samantha Master is a black-queer-feminist activist, educator and member of the Black Youth Project 100. Follow her on Twitter.

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You can suck my dick, if I had one!!!
Dec 01st 2016
1
I think I was meant to be an english professor cause I read this and
Dec 01st 2016
2
this part
Dec 01st 2016
3
lol..it's from theroot.com... of course it's lite on backup facts.
Dec 01st 2016
6
ok I thought I was missing something, lol
Dec 01st 2016
8
me too
Dec 01st 2016
9
Oooouuuuuuuu! The beat is very similar to Hawt Nagga!
Dec 01st 2016
11
Used every feminist buzzword in the book tho. Her point was sorta lost.
Dec 01st 2016
13
Bingo.
Dec 07th 2016
22
I think you made a post about her a YEAR before she even had a hit
Dec 07th 2016
25
okay, when i heard her i thought it was shmurda for the LONGEST
Dec 08th 2016
31
no shit. a dyke acting like a man? color me surprised.
Dec 01st 2016
4
haha.. basically.
Dec 01st 2016
7
but got the nerve to get mad when someone call's 'em "sir" or "young man...
Dec 06th 2016
17
say word, son.
Dec 01st 2016
10
That's all there is to it.
Dec 01st 2016
15
I think she's way more "hood Brooklyn" than misogynistic
Dec 01st 2016
5
they don't just intersect...they share the same damn
Dec 07th 2016
23
      I dont think every hood person hates women bc they use foul language
Dec 07th 2016
24
Got DAMN if this article doesn't have every Black Twitter buzzword
Dec 01st 2016
12
I got a funny Young M.A. story
Dec 01st 2016
14
Oooooouuuuuu!
Dec 06th 2016
16
this thread is now completely worthwhile LOL
Dec 06th 2016
18
Keep us updated fam, provide pics if possible.
Dec 07th 2016
27
Stefanie?
Dec 08th 2016
35
y'all sleeping on Oakland's Kamaiyah
Dec 07th 2016
19
she seems to be straight, afaik?
Dec 07th 2016
20
She's not lesbian but she's fiiiiiire
Dec 07th 2016
26
I'm still rockin w/ that EP
Dec 07th 2016
28
I'll ask around...
Dec 08th 2016
30
Didn't read it but she's dope. I like her...and re the misogyny..
Dec 07th 2016
21
Can we unpack this?
Dec 08th 2016
33
"You are Z, so you should relate to Y, and dislike A"
Dec 08th 2016
34
Black? She look Puerto Rican. LOL
Dec 07th 2016
29
oouuuuuuu! way too long and rambling for me.
Dec 08th 2016
32

legsdiamond
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1. "You can suck my dick, if I had one!!!"
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I thought it was a nigga spittin until I heard that line.

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2. "I think I was meant to be an english professor cause I read this and"
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all I can think is, why isn't the author making clear Young Ma's misogyny?

Would it kill her to cite some lyrics?


Anyone, I can't think about Young MA too hard until she proves herself not to be a one hit wonder. I mean I hear her and think Bobby Shmurda all over again.





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3. "this part"
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>all I can think is, why isn't the author making clear Young
>Ma's misogyny?
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>Would it kill her to cite some lyrics?

I get what she saying, but this is written terribly.

M.A. represents the ethos (if you will) of the kind of men that birthed the feminist movement (or sumn like that). So she's pushing the LGBT envelope and setting wimminfolk back #AtTheSameDamnTime


but jus say that $hit.

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6. "lol..it's from theroot.com... of course it's lite on backup facts. "
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8. "ok I thought I was missing something, lol"
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9. "me too"
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11. "Oooouuuuuuuu! The beat is very similar to Hawt Nagga!"
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>Anyone, I can't think about Young MA too hard until she proves
>herself not to be a one hit wonder. I mean I hear her and
>think Bobby Shmurda all over again.
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Shit's cool for the time being but it ain't getting no burn in three or four years.

  

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13. "Used every feminist buzzword in the book tho. Her point was sorta lost."
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I thought the same thing when I read it. Like- give examples other than how you feel.
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22. "Bingo. "
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25. "I think you made a post about her a YEAR before she even had a hit"
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>all I can think is, why isn't the author making clear Young
>Ma's misogyny?
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>Would it kill her to cite some lyrics?
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>Anyone, I can't think about Young MA too hard until she proves
>herself not to be a one hit wonder. I mean I hear her and
>think Bobby Shmurda all over again.

It's kinda bizarre that you would be hesitant to give her a little credit at this point. Have we forgotten that THIS was Young M.A.?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FxfyKzVYc6U

My apologies if that wasn't you that made the post, but I think it was.

  

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31. "okay, when i heard her i thought it was shmurda for the LONGEST"
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and im like CAN NO ONE ELSE HEAR THIS?
she basically remade Hot Boy 2016
hack.

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4. "no shit. a dyke acting like a man? color me surprised."
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they usually go overboard with it.

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17. "but got the nerve to get mad when someone call's 'em "sir" or "young man..."
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One chick like that works at the 7-11 around the block. Everything about her is "bruh". Exaggerated hyper-masculine mannerisms, wears a hoodie under her 7-11 shirt, thugged out to hell, saggin' at work, Timbs that look like they've seen an ass kickin or two and them Rocket from Colors cornrows in her hair.

Old white lady from around the way came in to buy cigarettes and was like "Sir, do you sell <some generic ass brand of cigarettes>?"

She was HIGHLY offended and let it be known that she was "all woman" loudly and aggressively.


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10. "say word, son."
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LOL

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15. "That's all there is to it. "
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Rest In Peace, Bad News Brown

  

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5. "I think she's way more "hood Brooklyn" than misogynistic "
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Im sure if you drew up a Venn Diagram the two would intersect, but a heterosexual hood woman from Brooklyn will tell you "suck my dick" if you ask what time it is

you cant just make someone famous who grew up one way and expect them to be super different in front of cameras

  

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23. "they don't just intersect...they share the same damn "
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longitude and latitude

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24. "I dont think every hood person hates women bc they use foul language"
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12. "Got DAMN if this article doesn't have every Black Twitter buzzword"
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EVER. Like, ALL of them....and all to say nothing at all.

One of the most pointlessly long articles I've ever read in life. SMMFH

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14. "I got a funny Young M.A. story"
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this cat I ran Call of Duty with on Xbox Live. His girl left him to be with her. This was about 2 years ago. But Ex was posting all kinds of pics of her and M.A. on her IG. She was a bottle service girl aspiring IG model and she was always promoting Young M.A.s shows and posting pics of them together. Well that ended and all those pics were gone, until recently. Young M.A. is going to be back in her area and guess who is back on the bandwagon?

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16. "Oooooouuuuuu!"
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18. "this thread is now completely worthwhile LOL"
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www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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35. "Stefanie?"
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19. "y'all sleeping on Oakland's Kamaiyah"
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20. "she seems to be straight, afaik?"
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I don't have like a scorecard or something, but all her songs are about dudes.

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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28. "I'm still rockin w/ that EP "
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30. "I'll ask around..."
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21. "Didn't read it but she's dope. I like her...and re the misogyny.."
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...some of the most ''patriarchal' people I've met are women who happen to work in women studies and consider themselves feminists.
Things be like that sometimes.

  

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34. ""You are Z, so you should relate to Y, and dislike A" "
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>...some of the most ''patriarchal' people I've met are women
>who happen to work in women studies and consider themselves
>feminists.
>Things be like that sometimes.
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it sounds cool but often that's just not how people are. Human beings are generally too complicated & selfish for all of that.

  

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29. "Black? She look Puerto Rican. LOL"
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Rest In Peace, Bad News Brown

  

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32. "oouuuuuuu! way too long and rambling for me."
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