"People who jump from MLM scheme to MLM scheme? What are they thinking?"
I swear this one woman I know is on her 5th scheme this year. I would think if you got caught up once and it didn't work out, you'd realize it's not the line of work for you.
But no. She's back out there hocking health supplements and encouraging you to join her team to become an entrepreneur.
2. "its always the brokest folks too." In response to Reply # 0
ol girl at my job was about to invest in some indian currency or something...i don't remember the details. I just looked at her like you poor child. 2 second google search clearly showed it was a scam. She was like nah, that's part of how they keep it on the low.
good luck ma.
-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.
legsdiamond Member since May 05th 2011 79709 posts
Tue Nov-15-16 10:40 AM
5. "lmao @ that's how they keep it on the low" In response to Reply # 2
**************** TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*
legsdiamond Member since May 05th 2011 79709 posts
Tue Nov-15-16 10:43 AM
6. "and it's mostly church folk" In response to Reply # 0
**************** TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*
8. "Naw, my dude goes from scheme to scheme and stays paid. " In response to Reply # 0
To me it seems it all depends on what wave of the scheme you are in. My dude is always the first a new scheme and is on the next one when the old scheme starts falling apart.
We were like "you selling coffee?" years ago. paid for his home and his benz. By the time the sad sacks were trying to get me to buy their coffee years later he was on to something new.
>I swear this one woman I know is on her 5th scheme this year. > >I would think if you got caught up once and it didn't work >out, you'd realize it's not the line of work for you. > >But no. She's back out there hocking health supplements and >encouraging you to join her team to become an entrepreneur.
********** "Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson
9. "he the exception to the rule." In response to Reply # 8
-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.
legsdiamond Member since May 05th 2011 79709 posts
Tue Nov-15-16 10:52 AM
11. "nah, he's just at the top of the pyramid" In response to Reply # 9
if you are one of the early investors and get in at the top you are good.
but most people get in at the bottom.
what frustrates me is all I seem to know are people at the bottom..lol. selling me that
"passive income... it's not really about the product, it's about becoming a boss"
**************** TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*
12. "that's exactly what i meant by exception to the rule bruh" In response to Reply # 11
>if you are one of the early investors and get in at the top you are good.
but most people get in at the bottom.
-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.
16. "That's the giveaway: it's not about the product. " In response to Reply # 11
If there's no emphasis on selling the actual product and instead on recruiting recruiters to recruit more recruiters, that shit is only going to pop for early adopters and a small handful of folks who have an uncanny knack for it.
19. "lol i remember i went to a primerica meeting with cookies and kool aid" In response to Reply # 16
i'm sitting through 15 minutes of the presentation and i stood up and was like i'm sorry, i have to get back to work but what exactly are we selling here?
Dude starting yelling about we selling opportunities to you, your family, your friends, their families, your co-workers,etc. I grabbed some cookies and bounced.
Dudes in that room were eating it up too. smh
-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.
21. "LMAO!!! They literally had Kool-Aid?" In response to Reply # 19
Who the fuck serves Kool-Aid? I drink that shit like the crack it is, on some weekend recreational shit at 11PM when nobody is around to witness my shameful act. Never in my life have I actually served it to guests let alone someone I'm trying to sell a hope and a wish to.
33. "they had a pitcher with red 'drink' and orange 'drink'. They called it j..." In response to Reply # 21
I referred to at as kool aid bc the whole thing felt like a cult brainwashing. Funny thing is i've told that story many times and no one ever questioned the kool aid part...but youre right, i really don't know what was in those pitchers lol
-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.
37. "Jim Jones was the first thing I thought of until I thought of the " In response to Reply # 33
more practical issue at play. What kind of cheap is presentation is that? Orange drink?
To me that's even more hilarious than the obvious cult overtones. You're trying to sell people on how much money they're gonna make and you can't even spring for a few bottles of Coke and Sprite.
All those houses, all those cars, all those stacks of cash and these guys can't shell out a few extra quarters for some Tropicana?
legsdiamond Member since May 05th 2011 79709 posts
Tue Nov-15-16 11:24 AM
25. "I moved to Brooklyn and we used a broker to get our place" In response to Reply # 19
fucking pissed we used a broker but whatever, we were in a time crunch.
Anyway, since ole girl saw we had a nice little bit of money saved up she hit me with the "I have an opportunity for you since you work from home"
so I'm sitting at the computer watching this little presentation when it hits me. My wife asked me what they were selling and I screamed out DREAMS AND TEARS...DREAMS AND TEARS.
They were selling videophones for landlines. Who the fuck is going to buy 1 videophone?
but these people had to be at the top cause my neighbor 2 doors down who was asian, rocked crispy vintage nikes and owned a nice ass brownstone was in on the shit.
**************** TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*
35. "What was the company? ACI, ACL..AC something??/" In response to Reply # 25
>They were selling videophones for landlines
This feels awfully familiar.
-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.
legsdiamond Member since May 05th 2011 79709 posts
Tue Nov-15-16 05:16 PM
46. "I wanna say 5Lynx but it may have been their former name" In response to Reply # 35
**************** TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*
53. "i think ACN was what i was thinking of." In response to Reply # 46
-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.
legsdiamond Member since May 05th 2011 79709 posts
Tue Nov-15-16 10:50 AM
10. "well that's how the scheme works. If you aren't at the top... it's curta..." In response to Reply # 8
**************** TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*
14. "Yeah. I have a cousin who has gotten rich from one and he hasn't" In response to Reply # 8
been switching either. He's been doing it for like 5 years now and is essentially in a small circle at the top of the worldwide pyramid so he earning well into the six figures, has property that he owns on both coasts, all kinds of crazy cars, etc.
It sucks seeing him on social media flaunting all that to basically scam people working under him. I have other family who are doing it and aren't at the top but making decent money, but a TON of other people who are making nothing or losing money. And they ALL repost his pics and posts living through him like "we up next!!!"
17. "I used to (half-seriously) want to start my own one of these" In response to Reply # 14
Because if you're at the top of the pyramid, it's the easiest money you can possibly make. But you've basically got to be cult leader-level charismatic (and you've got to have zero scruples about bilking already struggling people out of their money.)
I go back and forth on whether or not this is shadier than an actual cult. Because while you know people are going to go broke in these MLM schemes, there's at least a sliver of a chance that an E-meter really can rid my corporeal vessel of invasive thetans.
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18. "I'm contemplating starting a church. " In response to Reply # 17
Not really sure what the doctrine would be, practices, who or what we'd believe in or any of that but I'm pretty sure starting a religion is the way to go.
legsdiamond Member since May 05th 2011 79709 posts
Tue Nov-15-16 11:30 AM
28. "my boy is a preacher and makes over 100K TAX FREE " In response to Reply # 18
he doesn't pay rent in a house in SF and rarely has to cook because his church women feed him.
and they also try to bust it open for him
**************** TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*
20. "I almost took a job as a car salesman." In response to Reply # 17
>(and you've got to have zero scruples about bilking already struggling people out of their money.)
Dude was telling me the ins and outs of being a car salesman and i just couldn't do it.
-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.
36. "yeah but its not so bad if the spot is near your crib. You just gotta" In response to Reply # 22
be ready to come in to get your sale if a customer you started with comes back a 2nd time.
-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.
23. "I've wondered this about selling cars" In response to Reply # 20
Because I've had mostly pretty good experiences with car salesmen. But I've definitely seen some shady types out there, usually of the "What's your price range? Cool, here's a bunch of cars outside of that" style.
But is it that bad? I'd figure since you're at least selling a real product, you can't be too much of a scam artist.
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legsdiamond Member since May 05th 2011 79709 posts
Tue Nov-15-16 11:32 AM
29. "it's the financing and APR where they get you" In response to Reply # 23
and the warranties that ain't worth shit.
**************** TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*
41. "yup they get you with the financing and your trade-in" In response to Reply # 29
Dude said they do this 4 square model on a piece of paper that asks you how much are you willing to spend on the price of the car, your trade in, your monthly payments and your down payment. Alot of people just focus on one area like the total cost of the car Or their monthly payments but not all those categories.
Once the salesperson knows which category you are focused on, they will stay within that parameter and fudge the other numbers to their benefit.
Someone will be happy to get payments under $200 a month not focusing on the loan length or that they got less than half the value of their trade in.
Sales people don't usually deal with the warranties bc the salesperson is bigging up how reliable the car is. He can't offer you a warranty in the next breath. They leave that to the finance manager off the floor. He's usually tucked away out of sight in an office away from shoppers
-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.
legsdiamond Member since May 05th 2011 79709 posts
Wed Nov-16-16 09:11 AM
49. "this is exactly how the got me on my first car" In response to Reply # 41
still pissed about it.
**************** TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*
legsdiamond Member since May 05th 2011 79709 posts
Tue Nov-15-16 11:28 AM
27. "not saying I don't believe you..." In response to Reply # 14
have you been to those houses?
I know some people are caked up but I always side eye when people post photos of their success.
That's part of the sell.
I picked up a few kids at an ACN seminar in Charlotte a year ago and they couldn't tell me what they were selling. They flew in from Cali.
They have these seminars at the Charlotte Hornets arena every year and it's packed and it's not a bunch of negros. It's white folk, asians, latinos...
**************** TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*
32. "I've been to one of them, also seen his cars." In response to Reply # 27
It's definitely part of the sell, but he is legit paid. His mom was a real estate broker for over 20 years and she retired to help him in his MLM stuff. Part of him buying property is to insulate himself if the MLM ever falls through. He's bright, he's a great speaker, and he got into that business early enough that he is at the top of the pyramid. He's clearly the exception to the rule.
He also has little to no conscious so he doesn't care about scamming a ton of people.
34. "How do you do this (on a practical level?)" In response to Reply # 8
Wouldn't he get stuck with a bunch of BS he can't sell once the old scheme is dying out? Or does he only buy the first batch of inventory and then just move on to another one?
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40. "It's the ability to see well in advance when it's dying out. " In response to Reply # 34
That's when you don't re-up and move on to the next thing.
Very similar to the stock market I would imagine.
>Wouldn't he get stuck with a bunch of BS he can't sell once >the old scheme is dying out? Or does he only buy the first >batch of inventory and then just move on to another one?
********** "Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson
legsdiamond Member since May 05th 2011 79709 posts
Wed Nov-16-16 09:13 AM
50. "what do you re-up on when you are at the top of the pyramid?" In response to Reply # 40
seems like those people aren't selling product as much as the dream of being your own boss.
I've never seen any of them actually sell a product.
**************** TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*
54. "My man moves onto the next pyramid" In response to Reply # 50
As he moved to the top of pre-paid legal, once he saw there was no where to go from there he went to the coffee thing.
The funny thing is now it seems like he isn't even selling a product anymore and does this whole motivational speaker thing.
I figure he will eventually land in politics or religion.
>seems like those people aren't selling product as much as the >dream of being your own boss. > >I've never seen any of them actually sell a product. > >
********** "Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson
legsdiamond Member since May 05th 2011 79709 posts
Wed Nov-16-16 11:10 AM
57. "Haha... yup, my boy is a preacher and always had an MLM scheme" In response to Reply # 54
I remember Case One always defending MLM's as well.
Hell, I went to a meeting with my bosses wife that was supposed to be about a tutorial on Facebook advertising and that shit smelled like an MLM scheme.
Realized the guy doing all the talking want really selling anything besides a book and a membership to his wizardry.
We bounced early before the raffle for an iPad but after the meal and I got a call at the office telling me I won the iPad but since I wasn't there they gave it to someone else.
Fucking liars.
Are these house flipping seminars MLM's as well?
**************** TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*
13. "I once got hit up by a Primerica rep in Best Buy. " In response to Reply # 0
While he was working....
....at Best Buy.
I think I shared the story here actually.
I forget a lot of the details but the gist is that I was playing around on a keyboard and he walks up and asks about me playing the keys and if I’d like to do it full time and whatnot.
Bear in mind that I had a narrow escape from the Primerica trap about a year prior to this. It was a coworker who signed me up. I had canceled the check I gave him right after he signed me up.
Anyhow the Best Buy dude hit me up while he was working, as if that isn’t a big ass billboard advertising that he hasn’t quite attained the sort of success he was selling.
A couple years later my wife’s cousin’s husband hit me up. Dude was drawing the same diagrams the former coworker drew me and tried to tell me how structure of any job is a pyramid as though that’s ever the issue people have with pyramid schemes. I quietly schooled him on the industry while he spewed canned MLM rhetoric.
Rule #1: if the primary source of income is derived from recruiting and signing people up to recruit and sign up other people while the primary consumers of the end product are people in that downline? Pass on that shit.
Right now my broyther in law and his wife are pushing that MCA nonsense heavy on FB. We had a recent visit and to my relief he didn’t bring it up once over the course of three days. His FB is still lit but it’s nice to know he’s not pushing that shit on his family.
30. "re:well, just go and enjoy your mediocre life then" In response to Reply # 26
that's that bullshit the people that run the scams tell them to say.
fuckouttahere
10/10 the person saying it ain't living a life you'd want to trade to get.
i've come across HUNDREDS of people on that hustle and i've seen exactly TWO get money: a guy i went to Morgan with that hustles ACN and a guy i met in Jersey that got good money with Herbalife & Amway & burglar alarms. come to think of it, he never had a square job in his life. just jumps from hustle to husle squeezing out every dollar he can before moving on.
*** I ain't lyin. This shit i'm making up is true...
39. "The okiedoke is a mutha........" In response to Reply # 0
Up in Target minding my own business. Buying some goods for the house. I'm a friendly type of dude, so I guess i'm approachable and shit. I keep running into the same lady with her kids every few aisles. The whole time her kids are wilding and she's all calm and shit, smiling at me every time we cross paths. This is before I had kids btw.
Finally, we cross paths in one of those secluded aisles in the back. She strikes up a convo, apologized for her wild kids...all of a sudden, I notice that the kids are GONE! WTF??
She starts laughing saying "My husband FINALLY came to relieve me!" "We're new to the area and just shopping for some stuff for our new house." I was like "Cool. I know the feeling." Then we start talking about the DC region, the cost of living, traffic, etc.... YO!! SHE WAS A PRO fam...a PRO... Before I even peeped what was going down, she'd smooth transitioned and flipped the script talking about "Yeah, it was kinda hard just being away from our family, but financially we are set. It's a blessing we've been able to start our own business, and we work from home so we don't have to deal with traffic. You might be a great fit for our business. Would you like to give me your number so that I can invite you to our next session?"
Fam... smh.... I felt like the biggest of schmucks for falling for it....
43. "lolol..you know approach is in the 'manual'" In response to Reply # 39
they didn't just come up with that on their own . lol
-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.
45. "A female friend of mine was die-hard on that ItWorks wraps bs, I was..." In response to Reply # 0
mildly surprised this past weekend when she told me she didn't do it anymore.
She said some of the positives were it definitely brought her out of her shell social and she learned a lot and she's putting a lot of it to use with her own legitimate business now.
48. "My wife sells LuLaRoe. We don’t recruit anyone" In response to Reply # 0 Tue Nov-15-16 05:54 PM by Cold Truth
She holds her sales and sales clothes. The end. We don’t hit up our friends outside of invites to the occasional event and most people in our circle hit us up when they want to buy.
Some people recruit. Her friend recruited us and very quickly built a team underneath them and ball out now. They don’t have young children and were in prime position to basically work themselves to the bone and made that shit pop in big way. We never recruited anyone, not one time, though we did get a few unsolicited inquiries.
We’re about to bow out of that for reasons I’ll probably post about another day, but the ONLY reason I said go for it was because there’s an actual product to sell with an established demand and the “system” entailed selling that product. I didn’t- and don’t, until or unless something changes- consider them an MLM company but they do have other problems.
In terms of soliciting, eh. I guess she did that to a degree. My wife carries around leggings and never hands out a business card unless she’s giving away a pair of leggings. She never got comfortable doing sales though and even the slightest follow up efforts gave her anxiety because she worried about being pushy.
Another distasteful trend we found was that when we did events and setup shop at, say, a street fair or holiday boutique to SELL CLOTHES, we'd inevitably get hit with legions of people who perused and made polite conversation before not buying anything but giving us their own business card and inviting us to do a joint party. One lady had some sort of cleaning towels she wanted to get us into and do a joint party where we essentially swap customers, like the two products even remotely relate.
51. "i know a couple that does that ACN stuff. They are ballin'" In response to Reply # 0
The girl is a friend of my wife's friend. She quit her federal job to sell ACN full-time. She and her husband do that shit full time. Just about any one selling that shit in bmore falls under them some how.
when I saw ballin, they are on another level with that shit. Like 2 lambos and shit.
legsdiamond Member since May 05th 2011 79709 posts
Wed Nov-16-16 11:00 AM
55. "I guess if you are good at selling shit" In response to Reply # 51
You can make it work... especially if everyone under them is giving them a cut. Easy money.
My boy tried 5links and since he is a pastor it worked well for a few but this is ACN territory and I think he ran out of clients. He kept trying to pitch to me to the point I avoided his calls for a while.
One thing I know is you have to spend money to make it. Renting out hotel conference rooms and shit.
**************** TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*
52. "YOU SHOULD BE HERE<<<----------" In response to Reply # 0
I have a friend who's super heavy into it. I'm not much of a salesman or recruiter, so I'm not cut out for that.
Also, I went to a recruitment event like 15 years ago where they were pumping all this super loud Oontz music to try to get everyone pumped. When the head woman said I had to pay $100 to join I knew it was b.s. and bounced.
legsdiamond Member since May 05th 2011 79709 posts
Wed Nov-16-16 11:04 AM
56. "My wife almost got into that Herbal Life shit" In response to Reply # 52
I had to dead it quick. Her friend was doing it and kept giving her samples and my wife is all about some herbals..lol.
She isn't a salesman at all tho so I knew it would be a waste of money.
My wife makes earrings and scarves and anytime she gets a compliment she says thanks instead of telling them she makes and sells them so until she gets better at selling those there is no need to add another distraction.
**************** TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*
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