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"Poll question: OKParents What would you do?"


  

          

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Talking to (0 votes)Vote
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Spanking (1 votes)Vote
Beating (6 votes)Vote
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3 - 4 year olds be wildin..... 2 years ago my answer would have been dif...
Oct 25th 2016
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that is not a one time thing right there
Oct 25th 2016
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I was going to say I bet he'll soon have a box of small dead animals.
Oct 25th 2016
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9 Things to do Instead of Spanking
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7 Ways to Stop Yourself From Spanking
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10 Reasons Not to Hit Your Child
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This is What Happens When You Hit Your Kids
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50 years of research on 160,000 children shows spanking is harmful. Peri...
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How to Handle Your Anger at Your Child
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I didnt watch the video but I voted yellow
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oh...and i'd lynch my child if he did that.
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i dont condone hitting kids and I have never hit my kid...BUT
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      In all seriousness I'd want to mollywhop my kid.
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      haha, you definitely want to punch a hole through their chest sometimes
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           RE: haha, you definitely want to punch a hole through their chest someti...
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That's a paddlin'
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Having a kid that age. Hitting them doesn't help.
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exactly. hitting a child does absolutely NOTHING...well it hurts them...
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FLUIDJ
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1. "3 - 4 year olds be wildin..... 2 years ago my answer would have been dif..."
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that what it is now....
I feel for shawty...


"Get ready....for your blessing....."

  

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RobOne4
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2. "that is not a one time thing right there"
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that is a result of him getting to do whatever the fuck he wants and never getting punished. That woman needs to learn to discipline her kid before he murders her or shoots up a mall in 15 years.

November 8th, 2005 The greatest night in the history of GD!

  

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11. "I was going to say I bet he'll soon have a box of small dead animals."
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3. "9 Things to do Instead of Spanking"
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http://positiveparenting.com/9-things-to-do-instead-of-spanking/

9 Things to do Instead of Spanking
– by Kathryn Kvols

Research confirms what many parents instinctively feel when they don’t like to spank their child, but they don’t know what else to do. The latest research from Dr. Murray Strauss at the Family Research Laboratory affirms that spanking teaches children to use acts of aggression and violence to solve their problems. It only teaches and perpetuates more violence, the very thing our society is so concerned about. This research further shows that children who have been spanked are more prone to low self-esteem, depression and accept lower paying jobs as adults. So, what do you do instead?

1 – Get Calm

First, if you feel angry and out of control and you want to spank or slap your child, leave the situation if you can. Calm down and get quiet. In that quiet time you will often find an alternative or solution to the problem. Sometimes parents lose it because they are under a lot of stress. Dinner is boiling over, the kids are fighting, the phone is ringing and your child drops the can of peas and you lose it. If you can’t leave the situation, then mentally step back and count to ten.

2 – Take Time for Yourself

Parents are more prone to use spanking when they haven’t had any time to themselves and they feel depleted and hurried. So, it is important for parents to take some time for themselves to exercise, read, take a walk or pray.

3 – Be Kind but Firm

Another frustrating situation where parents tend to spank is when your child hasn’t listened to your repeated requests to behave. Finally, you spank to get your child to act appropriately. Another solution in these situations is to get down on your child’s level, make eye contact, touch him gently and tell him, in a short, kind but firm phrase, what it is you want him to do. For example, “I want you to play quietly.

4 – Give Choices

Giving your child a choice is an effective alternative to spanking. If she is playing with her food at the table ask, Would you like to stop playing with your food or would you like to leave the table?” If the child continues to play with her food, you use kind but firm action by helping her down from the table. Then tell her that she can return to the table when she is ready to eat her food without playing in it.

5 – Use Logical Consequences

Consequences that are logically related to the behavior help teach children responsibility. For example, your child breaks a neighbor’s window and you punish him by spanking him. What does he learn about the situation? He may learn to never do that again, but he also learns that he needs to hide his mistakes, blame it on someone else, lie, or simply not get caught. He may decide that he is bad or feel anger and revenge toward the parent who spanked him. When you spank a child, he may behave because he is afraid to get hit again. However, do you want your child to behave because he is afraid of you or because he respects you?

Compare that situation to a child who breaks a neighbor’s window and his parent says, “I see you’ve broken the window, what will you do to repair it?” using a kind but firm tone of voice. The child decides to mow the neighbor’s lawn and wash his car several times to repay the cost of breaking the window. What does the child learn in this situation? That mistakes are an inevitable part of life and it isn’t so important that he made the mistake but that he takes responsibility to repair the mistake. The focus is taken off the mistake and put on taking responsibility for repairing it. The child feels no anger or revenge toward his parent. And most importantly the child’s self-esteem is not damaged.

6 – Do Make Ups

When children break agreements, parents tend to want to punish them An alternative is to have your child do a make-up. A make-up is something that people do to put themselves back into integrity with the person they broke the agreement with. For example, several boys were at a sleep-over at Larry’s home. His father requested that they not leave the house after midnight. The boys broke their agreement. The father was angry and punished them by telling them they couldn’t have a sleep-over for two months. Larry and his friends became angry, sullen and uncooperative as a result of the punishment. The father realized what he had done. He apologized for punishing them and told them how betrayed he felt and discussed the importance of keeping their word. He then asked the boys for a make-up. They decided to cut the lumber that the father needed to have cut in their backyard. The boys became excited and enthusiastic about the project and later kept their word on future sleep-overs.

7 – Withdraw from Conflict

Children who sass back at parents may provoke a parent to slap. In this situation, it is best if you withdraw from the situation immediately. Do not leave the room in anger or defeat. Calmly say, “I’ll be in the next room when you want to talk more respectfully.

8 – Use kind but firm action

Instead of smacking an infant’s hand or bottom when she touches something she isn’t supposed to, kindly but firmly pick her up and take her to the next room. Offer her a toy or another item to distract her and say, “You can try again later.” You may have to take her out several times if she is persistent.

9 – Inform Children Ahead of Time

A child’s temper tantrum can easily set a parent off. Children frequently throw tantrums when they feel uninformed or powerless in a situation. Instead of telling your child he has to leave his friend’s house at a moment’s notice, tell him that you will be leaving in five minutes. This allows the child to complete what he was in the process of doing.

Aggression is an obvious form of perpetuating violence in society. A more subtle form of this is spanking because it takes it’s toll on a child’s self-esteem, dampening his enthusiasm and causing him to be rebellious and uncooperative. Consider for a moment the vision of a family that knows how to win cooperation and creatively solve their problems without using force or violence. The alternatives are limitless and the results are calmer parents who feel more supported.

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4. "7 Ways to Stop Yourself From Spanking"
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Discipline Without Spanking

Listen and Use Your Words

How you communicate with your child can prevent (or trigger) a blowup. "Talk without giving long lectures or scolding, and explain rules and expectations in language the child can understand," says Dean Pearson, Ph.D., author of Is Anybody in Charge? A Guide for Managing Children and Teaching Them Self-Control. That means keeping your cool, getting down to your child's eye level, and keeping sentences and requests simple. Allowing your kid to use his words helps too, so "listen carefully to your child's feelings and thoughts," Dr. Pearson says. Giving options can also reduce tantrums and disobedience. Instead of always telling your child what he can or can't do, give him choices ("Would you like to read a book or draw a picture?" "Do you want to put on your pajamas now or after you brush your teeth?") Your kiddo is likely to be more cooperative, and there will probably be fewer power struggles, if he feels that you are listening to him and that he has some control.

Focus on the Positive

Focusing on the behavior you like -- and ignoring what you don't -- teaches your little one that there are more effective ways to get attention. Don't overlook too much, however. Sometimes kids act up because they need something, such as attention, comfort, or reassurance, but they don't know how to ask for it. As long as your child isn't hurting himself or someone else, it's okay to pretend you don't see some minor offenses, says Nancy Buck, Ph.D., author of How to Be a Great Parent: Understanding Your Child's Wants and Needs. If the misconduct gets to a point where you can no longer ignore it (or if it occurs in an inappropriate place, like at the library or in a restaurant), make sure your reaction is calm and steady. Getting overly emotional or raising your voice tells the child that a particular behavior is an attention-grabber, which means he's sure to repeat it. Instead, notice the times your child is obeying the rules and make a big deal about those. However, if your normally docile child seems especially feisty, or the misbehavior is extreme or ongoing, consult a pediatrician or child behavioral expert for advice.

Try Quick Distractions

Toddlers and preschoolers are still young enough to be swayed by distractions. Saying "We don't pull the dog's tail" in a firm voice and immediately redirecting her (to play paper basketball or have a crazy dance session) can put a quick end to undesirable behavior without the need for harsh punishments. Over time, it will teach your child that certain things -- such as hurting the family pet or any animal -- are no-nos.

Withhold Privileges for a While

Another good discipline option is to take away privileges when your kid misbehaves. Make sure discipline is immediate and connected to the wrongdoing. So if your toddler writes on the wall, take away her crayons for 20 minutes. If you take away future privileges, such as going to the bounce house the next week, she won't remember why she got in trouble and she won't connect the misbehavior to the consequence.

Allow Consequences to Happen

Don't feel that it's your duty to determine (or prevent) each and every consequence. Sometimes it's best to let nature take its course; some consequences occur naturally without your intervention. For example, if your preschooler plays too roughly with a toy (despite your warning), the toy might break. The lesson she learns will have more meaning than if you had spanked her or taken the toy away before it broke. When consequences pose a risk to your child's well-being, turn to consequences that are logically related to the offense. If, say, your child runs into the street while playing outside, tell her to go inside the house. If she takes a flying leap off the couch, tell her to sit on the floor. To reinforce the lesson, explain the reason for the consequence. Say, for instance: "You could get hit by a car when you run in the street. If you won't stay in the driveway, I won't allow you outside to play." Or: "When you jump off the couch, you could get hurt. If you can't sit on the couch, you must sit on the floor.")

Find a Time-Out Spot

When young children have meltdowns or are engaged in a rowdy activity, they might not be able to unwind by themselves. A time-out forces a break in the unwanted behavior and gives the child a chance to regain self-control. For time-outs, find a safe spot with no distractions, state the reason for the time-out ("You can't hit your sister; you need a time-out.), and keep the time-out short. Experts recommend one minute for each year of the child's life. If your tot is being disruptive when you're on the go, time-outs can still work in public. Find an out-of-the-way spot (such as an empty a bench in the mall, a restroom, or a corner of the car's backseat), and keep interactions with your child to a minimum. Shrug off any embarrassment, and go through with the time-out as if you were at home.

6 Successful Time-Out Tactics

Give Yourself a Time-Out

Time-outs can sometimes help parents as much as naughty kids. Moms and dads might spank because they're tired, frustrated, and overwhelmed. If you feel as if you're losing your sanity, take a breather. Let your child know, "Mommy is feeling cranky, so she needs a time-out." Then have a partner, trusted friend, or neighbor lend a hand. For those instances when no one is able to help, make sure your kid is in a safe area and take a quick trip to a quiet room to calm down and regroup. If you're in a public setting and feel your temper rising, take a couple of steps away from your child (but keep her within eyesight and arm's reach). Take a few deep breaths and go on a mental mini-break. Imagine what you would wear if you were on vacation, picture yourself in bed reading a good book, or think about soaking yourself in a warm bubble bath. To keep your stress levels in check, make it a priority to eat healthfully, exercise, get enough sleep, and take "me time" occasionally. Also, don't hesitate to call on family and friends when you need time by yourself. Taking care of yourself benefits both you and your child.

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5. "10 Reasons Not to Hit Your Child"
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http://www.askdrsears.com/topics/parenting/discipline-behavior/spanking/10-reasons-not-hit-your-child

1. HITTING MODELS HITTING

There is a classic story about the mother who believed in spanking as a necessary part of discipline until one day she observed her three- year-old daughter hitting her one-year-old son. When confronted, her daughter said, “I’m just playing mommy.” This mother never spanked another child.Children love to imitate, especially people whom they love and respect. They perceive that it’s okay for them to do whatever you do. Parents, remember, you are bringing up someone else’s mother or father, and wife or husband. The same discipline techniques you employ with your children are the ones they are most likely to carry on in their own parenting. The family is a training camp for teaching children how to handle conflicts. Studies show that children from spanking families are more likely to use aggression to handle conflicts when they become adults.

Spanking demonstrates that it’s all right for people to hit people, and especially for big people to hit little people, and stronger people to hit weaker people. Children learn that when you have a problem you solve it with a good swat. A child whose behavior is controlled by spanking is likely to carry on this mode of interaction into other relationships with siblings and peers, and eventually a spouse and offspring.

But, you say, “I don’t spank my child that often or that hard. Most of the time I show him lots of love and gentleness. An occasional swat on the bottom won’t bother him.” This rationalization holds true for some children, but other children remember spanking messages more than nurturing ones. You may have a hug-hit ratio of 100:1 in your home, but you run the risk of your child remembering and being influenced more by the one hit than the 100 hugs, especially if that hit was delivered in anger or unjustly, which happens all too often.

Physical punishment shows that it’s all right to vent your anger or right a wrong by hitting other people. This is why the parent’s attitude during the spanking leaves as great an impression as the swat itself. How to control one’s angry impulses (swat control) is one of the things you are trying to teach your children. Spanking sabotages this teaching. Spanking guidelines usually give the warning to never spank in anger. If this guideline were to be faithfully observed 99 percent of spanking wouldn’t occur, because once the parent has calmed down he or she can come up with a more appropriate method of correction.

VERBAL AND EMOTIONAL “HITTING”
Physical hitting is not the only way to cross the line into abuse. Everything we say about physical punishment pertains to emotional/verbal punishment as well. Tongue-lashing and name-calling tirades can actually harm a child more psychologically. Emotional abuse can be very subtle and even self-righteous. Threats to coerce a child to cooperate can touch on his worst fear—abandonment. (“I’m leaving if you don’t behave.”) Often threats of abandonment are implied giving the child the message that you can’t stand being with her or a smack of emotional abandonment (by letting her know you are withdrawing your love, refusing to speak to her or saying you don’t like her if she continues to displease you). Scars on the mind may last longer than scars on the body.
2. HITTING DEVALUES THE CHILD

The child’s self-image begins with how he perceives that others – especially his parents – perceive him Even in the most loving homes, spanking gives a confusing message, especially to a child too young to understand the reason for the whack. Parents spend a lot of time building up their baby or child’s sense of being valued, helping the child feel “good.” Then the child breaks a glass, you spank, and he feels, “I must be bad.”

Even a guilt-relieving hug from a parent after a spank doesn’t remove the sting. The child is likely to feel the hit, inside and out, long after the hug. Most children put in this situation will hug to ask for mercy. “If I hug him, daddy will stop hitting me.” When spanking is repeated over and over, one message is driven home to the child, “You are weak and defenseless.”

Joan, a loving mother, sincerely believed that spanking was a parental right and obligation needed to turn out an obedient child. She felt spanking was “for the child’s own good.” After several months of spank-controlled discipline, her toddler became withdrawn. She would notice him playing alone in the corner, not interested in playmates, and avoiding eye contact with her. He had lost his previous sparkle. Outwardly he was a “good boy.” Inwardly, Spencer thought he was a bad boy. He didn’t feel right and he didn’t act right. Spanking made him feel smaller and weaker, overpowered by people bigger than him.

SLAPPING HANDS
How tempting it is to slap those daring little hands! Many parents do it without thinking, but consider the consequences. Maria Montessori, one of the earliest opponents of slapping children’s hands, believed that children’s hands are tools for exploring, an extension of the child’s natural curiosity. Slapping them sends a powerful negative message. Sensitive parents we have interviewed all agree that the hands should be off-limits for physical punishment. Research supports this idea. Psychologists studied a group of sixteen fourteen-month-olds playing with their mothers. When one group of toddlers tried to grab a forbidden object, they received a slap on the hand; the other group of toddlers did not receive physical punishment. In follow-up studies of these children seven months later, the punished babies were found to be less skilled at exploring their environment. Better to separate the child from the object or supervise his exploration and leave little hands unhurt.
3. HITTING DEVALUES THE PARENT

Parents who spank-control or otherwise abusively punish their children often feel devalued themselves because deep down they don’t feel right about their way of discipline. Often they spank (or yell) in desperation because they don’t know what else to do, but afterward feel more powerless when they find it doesn’t work. As one mother who dropped spanking from her correction list put it, “I won the battle, but lost the war. My child now fears me, and I feel I’ve lost something precious.”

Spanking also devalues the role of a parent. Being an authority figure means you are trusted and respected, but not feared. Lasting authority cannot be based on fear. Parents or other caregivers who repeatedly use spanking to control children enter into a lose-lose situation. Not only does the child lose respect for the parent, but the parents also lose out because they develop a spanking mindset and have fewer alternatives to spanking. The parent has fewer preplanned, experience-tested strategies to divert potential behavior, so the child misbehaves more, which calls for more spanking. This child is not being taught to develop inner control.

Hitting devalues the parent-child relationship. Corporal punishment puts a distance between the spanker and the spankee. This distance is especially troubling in home situations where the parent-child relationship may already be strained, such as single-parent homes or blended families. While some children are forgivingly resilient and bounce back without a negative impression on mind or body, for others it’s hard to love the hand that hits them.
4. HITTING MAY LEAD TO ABUSE

Punishment escalates. Once you begin punishing a child “a little bit,” where do you stop? A toddler reaches for a forbidden glass. You tap the hand as a reminder not to touch. He reaches again, you swat the hand. After withdrawing his hand briefly, he once again grabs grandmother’s valuable vase. You hit the hand harder. You’ve begun a game no one can win. The issue then becomes who’s stronger—your child’s will or your hand—not the problem of touching the vase. What do you do now? Hit harder and harder until the child’s hand is so sore he can’t possibly continue to “disobey?” The danger of beginning corporal punishment in the first place is that you may feel you have to bring out bigger guns: your hand becomes a fist, the switch becomes a belt, the folded newspaper becomes a wooden spoon, and now what began as seemingly innocent escalates into child abuse. Punishment sets the stage for child abuse. Parents who are programmed to punish set themselves up for punishing harder, mainly because they have not learned alternatives and click immediately into the punishment mode when their child misbehaves.
5. HITTING DOES NOT IMPROVE BEHAVIOR

Many times we have heard parents say, “The more we spank the more he misbehaves.” Spanking makes a child’s behavior worse, not better. Here’s why. Remember the basis for promoting desirable behavior: The child who feels right acts right. Spanking undermines this principle. A child who is hit feels wrong inside and this shows up in his behavior. The more he misbehaves, the more he gets spanked and the worse he feels. The cycle continues. We want the child to know that he did wrong, and to feel remorse, but to still believe that he is a person who has value.

The Cycle of Misbehavior

Misbehavior Worse behavior Spanking Decreased self-esteem, anger

One of the goals of disciplinary action is to stop the misbehavior immediately, and spanking may do that. It is more important to create the conviction within the child that he doesn’t want to repeat the misbehavior (i.e, internal rather than external control). One of the reasons for the ineffectiveness of spanking in creating internal controls is that during and immediately after the spanking, the child is so preoccupied with the perceived injustice of the physical punishment (or maybe the degree of it he’s getting) that he “forgets” the reason for which he was spanked. Sitting down with him and talking after the spanking to be sure he’s aware of what he did can be done just as well (if not better) without the spanking part. Alternatives to spanking can be much more thought-and-conscience-provoking for a child, but they may take more time and energy from the parent. This brings up a main reason why some parents lean toward spanking—it’s easier.
6. HITTING IS ACTUALLY NOT BIBLICAL

Don’t use the Bible as an excuse to spank. There is confusion in the ranks of people of Judeo-Christian heritage who, seeking help from the Bible in their effort to raise godly children, believe that God commands them to spank. They take “spare the rod and spoil the child” seriously and fear that if they don’t spank, they will commit the sin of losing control of their child. In our counseling experience, we find that these people are devoted parents who love God and love their children, but they misunderstand the concept of the rod.

Rod verses – what they really mean. The following are the biblical verseswhich have caused the greatest confusion:

“Folly is bound up in the heart of a child, but the rod of discipline will drive it far from him.” (Prov. 22:15)

“He who spares the rod hates his son, but he who loves him is careful to discipline him.” (Prov. 13:24)

“Do not withhold discipline from a child; if you punish him with the rod, he will not die. Punish him with the rod and save his soul from death.” (Prov. 23:13-14)

“The rod of correction imparts wisdom, but a child left to itself disgraces his mother.” (Prov. 29:15)

At first glance these verses may sound pro-spanking. But you might consider a different interpretation of these teachings. “Rod” (shebet) means different things in different parts of the Bible. The Hebrew dictionary gives this word various meanings: a stick (for punishment, writing, fighting, ruling, walking, etc.). While the rod could be used for hitting, it was more frequently used for guiding wandering sheep. Shepherds didn’t use the rod to beat their sheep – and children are certainly more valuable than sheep. As shepherd-author Philip Keller teaches so well in A Shepherd Looks At Psalm 23, the shepherd’s rod was used to fight off prey and the staff was used to gently guide sheep along the right path. (“Your rod and your staff, they comfort me.” – Psalm 23:4).

Jewish families we’ve interviewed, who carefully follow dietary and lifestyle guidelines in the Scripture, do not practice “rod correction” with their children because they do not follow that interpretation of the text.

The book of Proverbs is one of poetry. It is logical that the writer would have used a well-known tool to form an image of authority. We believe that this is the point that God makes about the rod in the Bible – parents take charge of your children. When you re-read the “rod verses,” use the concept of parental authority when you come to the word “rod,” ratherthan the concept of beating or spanking. It rings true in every instance.

While Christians and Jews believe that the Old Testament is the inspired word of God, it is also a historical text that has been interpreted in many ways over the centuries, sometimes incorrectly in order to support the beliefs of the times. These “rod” verses have been burdened with interpretations about corporal punishment that support human ideas. Other parts of the Bible, especially the New Testament, suggest that respect, authority, and tenderness should be the prevailing attitudes toward children among people of faith.

In the New Testament, Christ modified the traditional eye-for-an-eye system of justice with His turn-the-other-cheek approach. Christ preached gentleness, love, and understanding, and seemed against any harsh use of the rod, as stated by Paul in 1 Cor. 4:21: “Shall I come to you with the whip (rod), or in love and with a gentle spirit?” Paul went on to teach fathers about the importance of not provoking anger in their children (which is what spanking usually does): “Fathers, do not exasperate your children” (Eph. 6:4), and “Fathers, do not embitter your children, or they will be discouraged” (Col. 3:21).

In our opinion, nowhere in the Bible does it say you must spank your child to be a godly parent.

SPARE THE ROD!There are parents who should not spank and children who should not be spanked. Are there factors in your history, your temperament, or your relationship with your child that put you at risk for abusing your child? Are there characteristics in your child that make spanking unwise?

Were you abused as a child?
Do you lose control of yourself easily?
Are you spanking more, with fewer results?
Are you spanking harder?
Is spanking not working?
Do you have a high-need child? A strong-willed child?
Is your child ultrasensitive?
Is your relationship with your child already distant?
Are there present situations that are making you angry, such as financial or marital difficulties or a recent job loss? Are there factors that are lowering your own self-confidence?

If the answer to any of these queries is yes, you would be wise to develop a no-spanking mindset in your home and do your best to come up with noncorporal alternatives. If you find you are unable to do this on your own, talk with someone who can help you.
7. HITTING PROMOTES ANGER – IN CHILDREN AND IN PARENTS

Children often perceive punishment as unfair. They are more likely to rebel against corporal punishment than against other disciplinary techniques. Children do not think rationally like adults, but they do have an innate sense of fairness—though their standards are not the same as adults. This can prevent punishment from working as you hoped it would and can contribute to an angry child. Oftentimes, the sense of unfairness escalates to a feeling of humiliation. When punishment humiliates children they either rebel or withdraw. While spanking may appear to make the child afraid to repeat the misbehavior, it is more likely to make the child fear the spanker.

In our experience, and that of many who have thoroughly researched corporal punishment, children whose behaviors are spank-controlled throughout infancy and childhood may appear outwardly compliant, but inside they are seething with anger. They feel that their personhood has been violated, and they detach themselves from a world they perceive has been unfair to them. They find it difficult to trust, becoming insensitive to a world that has been insensitive to them.

Parents who examine their feelings after spanking often realize that all they have accomplished is to relieve themselves of anger. This impulsive release of anger often becomes addicting—perpetuating a cycle of ineffective discipline. We have found that the best way to prevent ourselves from acting on the impulse to spank is to instill in ourselves two convictions: 1. That we will not spank our children. 2. That we will discipline them. Since we have decided that spanking is not an option, we must seek out better alternatives.
8. HITTING BRINGS BACK BAD MEMORIES

A child’s memories of being spanked can scar otherwise joyful scenes of growing up. People are more likely to recall traumatic events than pleasant ones. I grew up in a very nurturing home, but I was occasionally and “deservedly” spanked. I vividly remember the willow branch scenes. After my wrongdoing my grandfather would send me to my room and tell me I was going to receive a spanking. I remember looking out the window, seeing him walk across the lawn and take a willow branch from the tree and come back to my room and spank me across the back of my thighs with the branch. The willow branch seemed to be an effective spanking tool because it stung and made an impression upon me— physically and mentally. Although I remember growing up in a loving home, I don’t remember specific happy scenes with nearly as much detail as I remember the spanking scenes. I have always thought that one of our goals as parents is to fill our children’s memory bank with hundreds, perhaps thousands, of pleasant scenes. It’s amazing how the unpleasant memories of spankings can block out those positive memories.

ABUSIVE HITTING HAS BAD LONG-TERM EFFECTS
Research has shown that spanking may leave scars deeper and more lasting than a fleeting redness of the bottom. Here is a summary of the research on the long-term effects of corporal punishment:

In a prospective study spanning nineteen years, researchers found that children who were raised in homes with a lot of corporal punishment, turned out to be more antisocial and egocentric, and that physical violence became the accepted norm for these children when they became teenagers and adults.
College students showed more psychological disturbances if they grew up in a home with less praise, more scolding, more corporal punishment, and more verbal abuse.
A survey of 679 college students showed that those who recall being spanked as children accepted spanking as a way of discipline and intended to spank their own children. Students who were not spanked as children were significantly less accepting of the practice than those who were spanked. The spanked students also reported remembering that their parents were angry during the spanking; they remembered both the spanking and the attitude with which it was administered.
Spanking seems to have the most negative long-term effects when it replaces positive communication with the child. Spanking had less damaging long-term effects if given in a loving home and nurturing environment.
A study of the effects of physical punishment on children’s later aggressive behavior showed that the more frequently a child was given physical punishment, the more likely it was that he would behave aggressively toward other family members and peers. Spanking caused less aggression if it was done in an overall nurturing environment and the child was always given a rational explanation of why the spanking occurred.
A study to determine whether hand slapping had any long-term effects showed that toddlers who were punished with a light slap on the hand showed delayed exploratory development seven months later.
Adults who received a lot of physical punishment as teenagers had a rate of spouse-beating that was four times greater than those whose parents did not hit them.
Husbands who grew up in severely violent homes are six times more likely to beat their wives than men raised in non-violent homes.
More than 1 out of 4 parents who had grown up in a violent home were violent enough to risk seriously injuring their child.
Studies of prison populations show that most violent criminals grew up in a violent home environment.
The life history of notorious, violent criminals, murderers, muggers, rapists, etc., are likely to show a history of excessive physical discipline in childhood.

The evidence against spanking is overwhelming. Hundreds of studies all come to the same conclusions:

1. The more physical punishment a child receives, the more aggressive he or she will become.
2. The more children are spanked, the more likely they will be abusive toward their own children.
3. Spanking plants seeds for later violent behavior.4.Spanking doesn’t work.
10. SPANKING DOESN’T WORK

Many studies show the futility of spanking as a disciplinary technique, but none show its usefulness. In the past thirty years in pediatric practice, we have observed thousands of families who have tried spanking and found it doesn’t work. Our general impression is that parents spank less as their experience increases. Spanking doesn’t work for the child, for the parents, or for society. Spanking does not promote good behavior, it creates a distance between parent and child, and it contributes to a violent society. Parents who rely on punishment as their primary mode of discipline don’t grow in their knowledge of their child. It keeps them from creating better alternatives, which would help them to know their child and build a better relationship. In the process of raising our own eight children, we have also concluded that spanking doesn’t work. We found ourselves spanking less and less as our experience and the number of children increased. In our home, we have programmed ourselves against spanking and are committed to creating an attitude within our children, and an atmosphere within our home, that renders spanking unnecessary. Since spanking is not an option, we have been forced to come up with better alternatives. This has not only made us better parents, but in the long run we believe it has created more sensitive and well-behaved children.

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6. "This is What Happens When You Hit Your Kids"
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https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/good-thinking/201409/is-what-happens-when-you-hit-your-kids

This is What Happens When You Hit Your Kids
Physically disciplining children has dramatic impact on both parent and child.
Posted Sep 19, 2014


National Football League star Adrian Peterson was indicted recently for child abuse after disciplining his 4-year-old son by hitting him with a switch. The beating was so severe that it left welts on the child's body, including his genitals. Peterson's indictment has unleashed a hailstorm of controversy about the appropriateness of hitting children as punishment for bad behavior.

Here are seven things you need to keep in mind about physical discipline.
1. Honoring your parents doesn't mean doing exactly what they did.

Our parents and grandparents accepted many things that we no longer find acceptable today: Jim Crow laws, smoking and drinking when pregnant, advertising jobs as "Help wanted: Male; Help wanted: Female", and so on. We've come to see that many of these traditions and beliefs were wrong, and we quite reasonably reject them. It is possible to love your parents and reject their traditions or beliefs. It is possible to accept that they were doing what they believed to be right at the time while simultaneously choosing not to do or believe those things.
2. Hitting children teaches them that might makes right.

Parents are physically bigger and stronger than children. They also know more than children and, because their brains are fully developed, they are capable of greater self-control. When a parent tries to get children to behave better by hitting them, that parent is telling them that hitting people who are smaller and weaker than you is an acceptable way of getting what you want from them. Why should it surprise that parent when their children beat up smaller children at school, or grow up to be wife beaters?
3. Adults frequently get out of control when they hit children.

Giving yourself permission to physically discipline your children puts YOU at risk for becoming an abuser. Adrian Peterson is not an isolated case of an adult who lost it while inflicting physical discipline. As adults, we frequently come home frustrated, tired, and angry. We haven't the patience to deal with what our kids may be dishing out. Once you begin hitting the child who is pushing your buttons, you will experience enormous relief. And that pleasant relief can drive you to hit even more, even harder. Peterson admits that he went over the line. Why believe you won't?

The likelihood is that you will go over the line. Pretty soon, you will be giving yourself permission to hit your child for even the slightest infraction because you will have become addicted to that rush of relief you get from hitting someone defenseless. And you won't want to face the fact that you are hitting your child because it feels good.
4. Hitting your children may stop their bad behavior but will damage them and your relationship with them in the long run.

People who believe "sparing the rod spoils the child" typically dismiss the enormous body of research showing that hitting children turns them into angry, resentful adults with psychological and emotional problems. A large meta-analysis of studies on the effects of punishment found that the more physical punishment children receive, the more defiant they are toward parents and authorities, the poorer their relationships with parents, the more likely they are to report hitting a dating partner or spouse. They are also more likely to suffer mental health problems, such as anxiety, depression, and substance abuse problems, and less likely to empathize with others or internalize norms of moral behavior.

A rational person changes his or her beliefs when reality turns out to contradict those beliefs.

The data show that punishment must be age-appropriate, and must be used when appropriate. Mild spanks may be acceptable for children aged 2-6, older children should be disciplined in non-violent ways, and parents with anger issues or abusive tendencies should avoid physical discipline entirely. According to national statistics, nearly 125,000 children were victims of physical abuse serious enough to warrant medical care in 2012, and 42% of those victims were under the age of 6.

Even when using physical punishment on a young child, you must be sure punishment is really called for in the circumstances. I once saw a father and young son (about age five) bicycling along a busy road, the father following the son. The father was beside himself with rage because his son simply would not keep his mind on the road. Everything seemed to distract him. The father finally lost it, pulled his son off his bicycle, and swatted him hard on the bottom. "What you're doing is dangerous", he yelled, "You could be killed! You have to pay attention!" What the father failed to understand is that his young son was not capable of ignoring all of those distractions. His son was getting punished for failing to do something he was incapable of doing. A child that age is more capable of following someone on a bicycle than leading. The reason for this is biological: Self-control and focus is the function of the brain's frontal lobes, and the frontal lobes are not fully developed or fully connected to the rest of the brain until early adulthood.
5. It is illegal to hit children in over thirty countries worldwide, but entirely legal in the U.S.

Why are we so backward in thinking that aggression against children stamps out aggression in the long run? If hitting children is the surest way to reduce crimes and foster good behavior, then why do we also have the largest prison population in the world?
6. Physical punishment is NOT more prevalent in black communities.

Former NFL star Charles Barkley defended Peterson's actions, claiming, "I'm a black guy ... I'm from the South…Whipping — we do that all the time. Every black parent in the South is going to be in jail under those circumstances."

Yet a recent poll showed that eight out of ten black people and seven out of ten white people approved of physically punishing children. Here is a video of a southern white male judge beating his teenaged daughter while his wife looks on and approves. The good news is that the same poll showed approval ratings for physical punishment declining from 84% in 1986 to 70% in 2012.
7. There are more effective ways of getting the behavior you want.

Let's assume that you as a parent are more interested in shaping your children's behavior than you are in using physical punishment as a means of venting your own anger and frustration. Simply seeing how angry you are is usually frightening enough to a young child. You don't need to compound the fear by getting physical. Seven excellent means of discipline can be found here. Here is a simple way to get the job done:

If you do X, you will be punished. If you do Y instead, you will be rewarded. Which do you choose?

As long as the behaviors and consequences are specific and clear, this approach is a very effective means of shaping behavior. It allows children to feel they have some degree of control over what happens to them, and teaches them to seek and consider choices. It even can work with the oppositional child—children who are particularly defiant and difficult to control.

So do yourself a favor: Use your fully-developed adult brain to figure out clever, non-abusive ways of getting your children to do what you want them to do.

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7. "50 years of research on 160,000 children shows spanking is harmful. Peri..."
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https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/good-thinking/201604/update-what-really-happens-when-you-hit-your-kids

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8. "How to Handle Your Anger at Your Child"
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http://www.ahaparenting.com/parenting-tools/positive-discipline/handling-anger

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9. "I didnt watch the video but I voted yellow"
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cause it's Worldstarr

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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10. "oh...and i'd lynch my child if he did that."
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b/c:

1. i have to save face in public. i don't want other parents thinking i'm soft on my kids.

2. i have to teach my other kid not to try me. ever.

3. that spitting kid needed killing. a simple beating wasn't enough of a response to his battery. the defenseless kid who's a couple feet shorter than me and who weighs but a fraction of what i weigh and has not even a 1/4 of my muscle strength must be kept in his place. a good ol' fashioned lynching would be the only way to correct the imbalance.

4. DEEP down...it would feel good. the release i mean. of course afterward i'd feel some kinda way about it but in that moment it would feel good to release some of my anger and frustration. i guess the responsible way to lynch my kid is to wait until i'm not angry and to explain to him that i'm only lynching him for his own good b/c i love him and i'm doing what's best for him. but fuck that.

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15. "i dont condone hitting kids and I have never hit my kid...BUT"
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it would be hard as hell for me not to kick him through that door.

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16. "In all seriousness I'd want to mollywhop my kid."
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Bc I was raised like that and I have violent tendencies. And with the way my ppl taught me I'd feel entirely justified in teeing off on the kid bc the ONE THING a kid cannot EVER do is hit the parent. The response to that is nuclear. All bets are off. If I 'black out' on the kid my whole family would applaud it. So yeah...I feel that. It would be very difficult for me to restrain myself.

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17. "haha, you definitely want to punch a hole through their chest sometimes"
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if you snap like that, though, you know it wouldn't be anything good.

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if you are a parent of a child over 3 and havent thought about drop kicking them in the chest at least once you are a fucking liar.

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12. "That's a paddlin'"
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13. "Having a kid that age. Hitting them doesn't help. "
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You just have to be really firm, calm and consistent with your other forms of discipline/behavior correction. And you still gotta accept that they'll do some dumb shit from time to time, and not take it personally.

I feel like a lot of the people saying to beat the kid don't have kids, and are still on that 'when i'm a parent, my kid will never...' trip. Beating your kid to show out for other adults super dumb.

I don't even want to judge this lady from one isolated clip. My lil ace is really good 99% of the time, but if he's hella tired or hungry (which to be real, is one of those things that falls on parents) he can wile out a bit. If you caught one of those moments on camera, i'm sure strangers would say i should beat him.





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14. "exactly. hitting a child does absolutely NOTHING...well it hurts them..."
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but besides that....nada.

3-4 years are tiny balls of emotion that aren't equipped with all the tools & regulators to properly express them.

They can be sweet one minute and evil the next.


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