1. "LOL. I sense snark in this post. Probably as smart as the avg person" In response to Reply # 0
You've got some great musicians who outside of their creative works would be seen as brilliant, you've got some great musicians who are morons.
While there's some overlap I don't think there's a direct correlation to what we consider intelligent to musicianship (although to understand it on a classically trained level does involve pretty intense scholarship)
>i recently had this convo with people that i considered to >range from average intelligence to near brilliance. > >their take on the matter varied greatly. > >i wonder how okp feels about it... >
2. "RE: LOL. I sense snark in this post. Probably as smart as the avg perso..." In response to Reply # 1
>You've got some great musicians who outside of their creative >works would be seen as brilliant, you've got some great >musicians who are morons. > >While there's some overlap I don't think there's a direct >correlation to what we consider intelligent to musicianship >(although to understand it on a classically trained level does >involve pretty intense scholarship) > >>i recently had this convo with people that i considered to >>range from average intelligence to near brilliance. >> >>their take on the matter varied greatly. >> >>i wonder how okp feels about it... >> >
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4. "How smart is the average human..." In response to Reply # 1
In America?
**************** TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*
8. "Dunning–Kruger effect will ensure you don't get an accurate answeerr" In response to Reply # 0
From Wiki: The phenomenon was first experimentally observed in a series of experiments by David Dunning and Justin Kruger of the department of psychology at Cornell University in 1999. The study was inspired by the case of McArthur Wheeler, a man who robbed two banks after covering his face with lemon juice in the mistaken belief that, because lemon juice is usable as invisible ink, it would prevent his face from being recorded on surveillance cameras. The authors noted that earlier studies suggested that ignorance of standards of performance lies behind a great deal of incorrect self-assessment of competence.
This pattern of over-estimating competence was seen in studies of skills as diverse as reading comprehension, practicing medicine, operating a motor vehicle, and playing games such as chess or tennis. Dunning and Kruger proposed that, for a given skill, incompetent people will:
fail to recognize their own lack of skill fail to recognize the extent of their inadequacy fail to accurately gauge skill in others recognize and acknowledge their own lack of skill only after they are exposed to training for that skill
Dunning has since drawn an analogy – "the anosognosia of everyday life" – with a condition in which a person who experiences a physical disability because of brain injury seems unaware of, or denies the existence of, the disability, even for dramatic impairments such as blindness or paralysis: "If you're incompetent, you can't know you’re incompetent.… he skills you need to produce a right answer are exactly the skills you need to recognize what a right answer is."
13. "They've shown that we have ridiculously high levels of this as well as" In response to Reply # 8
NPD and HPD(narcissistic and histrionic personality disorders). You look these things up and it sounds like a typical American, not someone on the fringes of society.
they go out and conduct surveys and polls about how dumb my state is, but my state is supposed to be one of those cliche representations of "real america" so I guess real america is stupid.
It's like when they go out on talk shows to ask people questions that are supposed to be general knowledge but it's edited down to all the dumb answers, you know somebody got it right but all you seem to get are the dumb answers.
10. "RE: how smart is the average american?" In response to Reply # 0
Americans are definitely varying levels of arrogant idiots.
all bravado no substance
however I believe that humans in general are very intelligent - potentially
I think American society programs and encourages people to be dumb-ed down, not to think, go along, give their individual power away and most of all be over-entertained - all which contributes to the idiocy of people in this country.
saddest thing is I think even where there may be opportunities for people to think on their own or rely on their own god-given intuition they would rather make the conscious decision not too....
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