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"TV Salary list shows Black actors underpaid "


  

          



This after the TV studios got all the props 4 diversity in relation to #oscarssowhite

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The report also shows that stars of the Emmy Award nominated show Black-ish earn less than the stars of Modern Family, The Middle and Last Man Standing. Anthony Anderson gets $100,000 an episode, and Tracee Ellis Ross’ pay is $80,000; while The Middle’s Patricia Heaton and Standing ’s Tim Allen all earn $250,000 an episode. However, the drama salaries list has to have the largest pay gap.

Gilmore Girls’ Lauren Graham and Alexis Bledel earn about $750,000 per episode, while the Emmy Award-winning star of How to Get Away with Murder, Viola Davis, and Emmy-nominated star of Scandal, Kerry Washington, only earn $250,000. Even Taraji P. Henson and Terrence Howard, stars of the highest-rated drama on television, Fox’s Empire, are earning considerable less than their colleagues, with only $175,000 an episode while Their on-screen sons, Trai Byers, Jussie Smollett and Bryshere Y. Gray, are paid just $20,000 per episode.

http://newsone.com/3555451/black-tv-actors-paid-less-than-whites/


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These are not actual leaks but info they got from surveys and interviews
Basically similar to the way Forbes makes their money lists



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this comparison makes no sense if they don't control for the season #
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Plus, not a lot of Black actors/shows made the list to begin with.
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It doesn't really show anything but generally lower demand for
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Lower demand ?
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In comparison to a lot of the White shows, that's the only reason
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well actually, it doesn't show anything about
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      It doesn't. I'm just judging by the Black shows that made the list
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There's too many apples to oranges comparisons in this article
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Shaun already said this
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      Netflix and HBO shows are 8-13 episodes. Network shows are 23
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      Basically, and let's mention who that person is
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      You new to how Hollywood works ?
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           Clearly you missed the point.
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                All Blacks are not mad just because they disagree
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                     Oh god.
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                          also Purity has 10-episode seasons
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                          H.T.G.A.W.M had 15-episode seasons
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                          God can't help your Trump logic
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      Bull is on CBS and Chance is on Hulu
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           Ummm
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      LMAO are you even looking at the list?
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           Are you looking past the racism ?
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                Stop putting words in my mouth lol
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                     The stupid coming out your mouth is all you.
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I'll take 250k per ep though
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whoever wrote this did a godawful job proving their point.
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Gabrielle Union makes $165K an episode
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most of these examples are terrible
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sndesai1
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1. "this comparison makes no sense if they don't control for the season #"
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and gilmore girls is basically a miniseries of 4 tv movies...not sure how to compare that to a tv salary

i think there is a huge pay gap, but it's kinda hard to tell with these set of numbers

  

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7. "Plus, not a lot of Black actors/shows made the list to begin with. "
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2. "It doesn't really show anything but generally lower demand for"
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Black shows, hence lower salaries for whoever's involved.

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3. "Lower demand ?"
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>Black shows, hence lower salaries for whoever's involved.


"Even Taraji P. Henson and Terrence Howard, stars of the highest-rated drama on television"

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4. "In comparison to a lot of the White shows, that's the only reason "
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I can think of. *shrugs*

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8. "well actually, it doesn't show anything about"
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the demand for black shows

  

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12. "It doesn't. I'm just judging by the Black shows that made the list"
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at all.

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5. "There's too many apples to oranges comparisons in this article"
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Not to say that actors of color aren't underpaid. On balance I think they are. But the examples cited in that article aren't very good.

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Example 1: "The comedy salaries list revealed that the lowest paid star is Gina Rodriguez, whose role in Jane the Virgin won her the Golden Globe for Best Actress in a Comedy in 2015, over multi-time Emmy winner and fellow nominee Julia Louis-Dreyfus. Yet, according to Variety’s data, Rodriguez earns $60,000 an episode, while Louis-Dreyfus earns more than quadruple that figure, with $250,000 an episode."

My take: This is laughable. Yes, Gina won the Golden Globe a year ago. JLD has won Best Actress at Emmy's FIVE straight years. Not to mention the Emmys she won for Seinfeld and New Adventures of Old Christine. Also, Gina was an unknown when she booked Jane the Virgin. JLD's been in the business 30 years.
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Example 2: "The report also shows that stars of the Emmy Award nominated show Black-ish earn less than the stars of Modern Family, The Middle and Last Man Standing. Anthony Anderson gets $100,000 an episode, and Tracee Ellis Ross’ pay is $80,000; while The Middle’s Patricia Heaton and Standing ’s Tim Allen all earn $250,000 an episode. However, the drama salaries list has to have the largest pay gap."

My take: Yes Blackish is a better, higher rated show than The Middle of Last Man Standing. But The Middle is in its 8th season and Last Man Standing is in its 5th season. Also, Modern Family is in its 8th season. After all those seasons, the stars tend to renegotiate their contracts if the show is a hit. Blackish is only in its 3rd season. Anthony and Tracee have to renegotiate their contracts. That's what you do when the show turns out to be a hit. It happened with the Big Ban Theory cast. Nobody expected that show to be the #1 show on television. So that cast of mostly unknowns didn't make much money. Once it turned into a hit, they went back to the negotiation table.
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6. "Shaun already said this"
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What season are these shows in ? Divorce, Chance, Bull, Gypsy ? The whites named in the list for those shows make more than Viola Davis, Kerry Washington, Taraji and Terrence.

Westworld just premiered and the list says the main cast is making the same as the two leads on Empire.

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9. "Netflix and HBO shows are 8-13 episodes. Network shows are 23"
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No one on a Fox show makes more than Terence or Taraji. Only one person on an ABC show makes more than Viola.

  

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11. "Basically, and let's mention who that person is "
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The lead fucking actor of Greys whose character the show is named after LOL and not to mention is even the reason Viola Davis can have a show on ABC cause if that show tanked who knows where Shonda would be writing shows on. Greys is on it's 13th season. Yeah. 13.

  

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14. "You new to how Hollywood works ?"
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>The lead fucking actor of Greys whose character the show is
>named after LOL and not to mention is even the reason Viola
>Davis can have a show on ABC cause if that show tanked who
>knows where Shonda would be writing shows on. Greys is on it's
>13th season. Yeah. 13.

Actors, Writers, Producers tank all the time before something takes off. Chappelle didn't start with a 50 million dollar offer. I think Viola is talented enough to get a show on ABC even if Shonda didn't blow up because of Greys.

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16. "Clearly you missed the point."
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I'm not talking about tanking and then getting a show or anything like that.

That exact show How To Get Away With Murder buzz is HUGELY connected to the brand and success from Grey's and Scandal by Shonda Rhimes .

That platform for Viola isnt' there if it wasnt for the cast of Greys and Shonda doing what they did. Thats my point. For you to be mad that Ellen Pompeo (Grey's Anatomy) makes more money than Viola is fucking retarded.

You voluntarily keep the actors names and their background out as to why they get the salary they get out of your argument just to make your case look good. Stop paining a picture to fit your argument. Or you just u don't know who these people are which is even funnier that you didnt even go look them up.

NOBODY is in here disagreeing that minorities are under paid versus white actors. However YOUR examples and the articles examples ARE NOT proof of this.



  

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18. "All Blacks are not mad just because they disagree"
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>I'm not talking about tanking and then getting a show or
>anything like that.
>
>That exact show How To Get Away With Murder buzz is HUGELY
>connected to the brand and success from Grey's and Scandal by
>Shonda Rhimes .
>
>That platform for Viola isnt' there if it wasnt for the cast
>of Greys and Shonda doing what they did. Thats my point. For
>you to be mad that Ellen Pompeo (Grey's Anatomy) makes more
>money than Viola is fucking retarded.

Was the platform there for Whoppi Goldberg ? What about Redd Fox, Robert Guillame, Sherman Hemsley, Don Cheadle, Debbie Allen. No what's ass backwards and stupid is how far you are going to explain away racism in Hollywood like OscarSoWhite never happen.

>You voluntarily keep the actors names and their background out
>as to why they get the salary they get out of your argument
>just to make your case look good. Stop paining a picture to
>fit your argument. Or you just u don't know who these people
>are which is even funnier that you didnt even go look them
>up.

You run away from even admitting that racism exist then try to blame me for your fragile coward stance. Fit your argument into the women getting less than the men actors since this is about backgrounds.

>NOBODY is in here disagreeing that minorities are under paid
>versus white actors. However YOUR examples and the articles
>examples ARE NOT proof of this.

You are disagreeing that blacks are underpaid when you whitesplain using ridiculous excuses like Daniel Craig as if Viola Davis can't act or something. You are comparing T.V. credits to Movie credits.

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19. "Oh god. "
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I'm not running away from anything you are just deliusional as fuck. Never once disagreed that racism exists in Hollywood, you would have to be a moron to think otherwise. Just because your points make zero sense and that I don't agree with you doesn't mean I'm making excuses.

You just compared Daniel Craig to Viola Davis, we aren't talking about acting skills here we are talking about Daniel Craig coming OFF of blockbuster movies LOL. Apparently you think Daniel Craig with just Bond alone has less leverage in negotiations for a tv show than Viola. BOND!? A movie franchise that has made more money for companies than any role Viola has been apart of her entire career put together LOL You are a clown.

  

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21. "also Purity has 10-episode seasons"
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Meaning, they are paying Craig 2.5 mil/year, and Davis 5.75 mil/year.

  

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23. "H.T.G.A.W.M had 15-episode seasons"
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>Meaning, they are paying Craig 2.5 mil/year, and Davis 5.75
>mil/year.


Which means a star on a top rated network show is making 3.75 mil/year

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22. "God can't help your Trump logic"
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>I'm not running away from anything you are just deliusional
>as fuck. Never once disagreed that racism exists in
>Hollywood, you would have to be a moron to think otherwise.
>Just because your points make zero sense and that I don't
>agree with you doesn't mean I'm making excuses.

You're running away from everything, your points my counter the weak argument you are trying to make. Imbecile if you are argue against racism that is so obvious even an idiot stuck in the Trump bubble can't deny it, that means you disagree racism exist in Hollywood. That's all you are doing is making excuses. One minute awards count, until they don't according to you. One minute you say it's how long the show has been on until it doesn't help your your pathetic argument.

>You just compared Daniel Craig to Viola Davis, we aren't
>talking about acting skills here we are talking about Daniel
>Craig coming OFF of blockbuster movies LOL. Apparently you
>think Daniel Craig with just Bond alone has less leverage in
>negotiations for a tv show than Viola. BOND!? A movie
>franchise that has made more money for companies than any role
>Viola has been apart of her entire career put together LOL You
>are a clown.

If we not talking about acting why list the number of awards that SJP and Hugh won ? This goes beyond moving the goal post you trying to hide them. So Oscar nominations and critical acclaim don't count in negotiations unless it's Hugh and SJP. Keep the double standard going Trump.

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13. "Bull is on CBS and Chance is on Hulu"
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>No one on a Fox show makes more than Terence or Taraji. Only
>one person on an ABC show makes more than Viola.

Someone on CBS is making more than Terence, Taraji and Viola.

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15. "Ummm"
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Michael Weatherly has a proven track record on tv...the show before Bull was NCIS....for over 14 years on that show!!! 14. Did you think he wasnt gonna get pay upgrade moving to a new show?

Also read below about Hugh Laurie LOL

  

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10. "LMAO are you even looking at the list?"
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Chance - Hugh Laurie from House!! That shit did 9 seasons. It was nominated 131 times and won 52 of those.

Divorce - Sarah Jessica Parker!! Sex and the city?!? What did you think she was gonna get paid for her return back to television with the network she helped blow up for original content. Did you think this was the first time HBO asked her to do a new show? LOL. 44 nominations and 25 wins. 4 golden globes for that show! C'mon that's Sarah fucking Jessica Parker.

Purity - James Bond Daniel Craig. Do we even have to say anything.

West World - So whoever wrote this list just hiding the fact that the main cast isn't made up of legends like Anthony Hopkins and Ed Harris LOL. You think Tarji, Viola and Terrence Howard deserve more? Word?

Wentworth Miller can ask for more than Anthony Hopkins even tho he's a shitty actor because Prison break doesn't exist without him. That shifty show coming back relies on him coming back. There's a reason why he didn't do anything after that show. Prison break coming back is huge for him but also can't be done without him.

Empires big actors def deserve more after that first season if they haven't already renegotiated or if that was even an option. But it's still a baby of a show and it's ratings been dropping. Sorry but there's no longevity in that show. I don't see it lasting much longer.

  

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17. "Are you looking past the racism ?"
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In case you are

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/02/opinion/sunday/when-whites-just-dont-get-it-part-7.html?action=click&contentCollection=opinion&module=NextInCollection®ion=Footer&pgtype=article&version=column&rref=collection%2Fcolumn%2Fnicholas-kristof


>Chance - Hugh Laurie from House!! That shit did 9 seasons. It
>was nominated 131 times and won 52 of those.
>

Did he win all 52 ? What's his movie credits ? Did he get nominated for an Oscar ?

>Divorce - Sarah Jessica Parker!! Sex and the city?!? What did
>you think she was gonna get paid for her return back to
>television with the network she helped blow up for original
>content. Did you think this was the first time HBO asked her
>to do a new show? LOL. 44 nominations and 25 wins. 4 golden
>globes for that show! C'mon that's Sarah fucking Jessica
>Parker.
>

What is SJP's movie credits that do not include Sex and the City ? How many times was she Oscar nominated ? How many Emmys did she win out of the 25, not the show ?

>Purity - James Bond Daniel Craig. Do we even have to say
>anything.

What did he do that wasn't James Bond ?

>West World - So whoever wrote this list just hiding the fact
>that the main cast isn't made up of legends like Anthony
>Hopkins and Ed Harris LOL. You think Tarji, Viola and Terrence
>Howard deserve more? Word?

No the Black actors do not deserve to get paid what they are worth only white legends should get more.

>Wentworth Miller can ask for more than Anthony Hopkins even
>tho he's a shitty actor because Prison break doesn't exist
>without him. That shifty show coming back relies on him coming
>back. There's a reason why he didn't do anything after that
>show. Prison break coming back is huge for him but also can't
>be done without him.

Ok that explains why it's not racism, when Andre Braugher, Viola Davis and Taraji get paid less than the White actors. I'm sure this is also the reason men and women actors do not make the same. No racism or sexism to see here.

>Empires big actors def deserve more after that first season if
>they haven't already renegotiated or if that was even an
>option. But it's still a baby of a show and it's ratings been
>dropping. Sorry but there's no longevity in that show. I don't
>see it lasting much longer.

So everything you said up above about awards and nominations and work history does not apply when it's two black actors on a top rated show, movie credits and nominations don't carry any weight ? Daniel Craig just playing Bond is enough. Viola Davis Oscar nomination and critical acclaim on the big screen, no get to the back of the line.

Andre Braugher 5 years on Homicide a drama and a Emmy nomination for a comedy role, no get to the back of the line. Hugh, Sarah,Daniel yes come to the front of the line. Chance season 1, Purity Season 1 in 2017, Divorce season 1 tomorrow. Infant and preborn shows.

Yeah that works.

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20. "Stop putting words in my mouth lol "
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Just because I don't agree with the list (a very specific list that isn't a representation of all salaries in Hollywood) that I don't think racism exists, you are a fucking clown to come to that conclusion just because I don't agree with the article of these specific tv actors LOL smh

You have to post under an alias of a troll to either just be a weird person trying to troll (which speaks volumes of the type of lonely person you are) or u just don't fully believe in what you are saying that you rather hide behind a screeen name to save face. Regardless all weird. *shrugs*

The woke has overcome u lol

  

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24. "The stupid coming out your mouth is all you."
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Own it don't blame me.

>Just because I don't agree with the list (a very specific
>list that isn't a representation of all salaries in Hollywood)
>that I don't think racism exists, you are a fucking clown to
>come to that conclusion just because I don't agree with the
>article of these specific tv actors LOL smh

When you make excuses and contradict yourself it proves you don't think racism exist no matter how many times you pay lip service by throwing in, minorities are underpaid, Trump. Why would the list include all salaries when goofy people like you will use that to cry and whine about the list the way you are now. Do you want every actor who was paid to do a commercial too ?

>You have to post under an alias of a troll to either just be a
>weird person trying to troll (which speaks volumes of the type
>of lonely person you are) or u just don't fully believe in
>what you are saying that you rather hide behind a screeen name
>to save face. Regardless all weird. *shrugs*

Here we go when the weak argument crumbles fall back on the alias/troll accusation to avoid explaining why listing awards that Sarah J and Hugh didn't win would prove they should get paid more than a Black actress with a Oscar nom and movie credits.

In your Trump world the studio execs must say, hey lets give SJP 275k because the lighting guy and makeup lady won Emmys years ago.

You are calling someone weird when you have Woody Allen as your avi ? Hilarious

>The woke has overcome u lol

You are the Asian fool who said it was ok to use a racial slur because blacks used it right ?

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27. "Gabrielle Union makes $165K an episode"
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and she's suing BET over "Being Mary Jane".

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/thr-esq/gabrielle-union-sues-bet-being-937454?utm_source=twitter

Gabrielle Union Sues BET Over 'Being Mary Jane'

The actress claims the network is combining seasons four and five to lower her pay and extend her contract.

BET is upping the episodes of Being Mary Jane to squeeze more out of Gabrielle Union's contract, according to a lawsuit filed Tuesday in L.A. County Superior Court.

Union claims the network agreed it would never produce more than 13 episodes per season, but now is trying to tape two 10-episode seasons back-to-back to "cram all of the episodes into a single season in order to fraudulently extend the term of Ms. Union's contract."

Union's attorney Martin Singer claims the network is combining seasons four and five to avoid paying his client's contractual raise and to extend its option to engage her services for another year. Under her contract, Union is set to receive $150,000 per episode for season four and $165,000 per episode for season five.

The actress is suing the network and Breakdown Productions for breach of contract and negligent misrepresentation.

At the time she was approached for Being Mary Jane, Union was a movie star and didn't want to commit to a typical network TV series, according to the suit. BET's then-general counsel Darrell Walker assured Union's representatives that the actress wouldn't be required to appear in more than 13 episodes per season — but a corporate policy required her performer agreement to include a provision allowing for a minimum of 10 episodes and a maximum of 26.

BET only produced eight episodes in the first season and 12 in the second. This prompted Union's representatives to renegotiate her contract so she would be paid for 13 episodes, even if BET didn't order that many. In 2015, her contract was amended again to include an executive producer credit and to require that at Union's request a BET executive be physically on set during taping, according to the complaint. The suit also claims that Walker has been appointed the executive on set despite no longer being a BET employee and having no authority to act in response to production issues.

After season three wrapped in June 2015, the series lost its showrunner. So season four didn't start filming until last month. Union wasn't notified until a week before principal photography began that BET intended to slate all 20 episodes as season four.

Union never would have agreed to star in Being Mary Jane if BET executives hadn't assured her they'd shoot no more than 13 episodes, according to the complaint. She's seeking damages of at least $1 million and an order that her contract be amended to reflect that there be a maximum of 13 episodes per season.

BET has not yet commented in response to the lawsuit.

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28. "most of these examples are terrible"
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i personally think that there are still major inequities but you have to give the brown faces time to be guaranteed bank before they get those huge contracts...

they also have to carry the shows too...

for instance...Hugh Laurie carried his show...Weatherly was part of a 3-headed monster that carried NCIS (which has gone to shit with only 2 of the 3 but he's been a major key to keeping it afloat until they flesh the cast back out)

Re-negotiations will be a much better barometer for the inequities...once a couple shows reach 8 with people of color as leads...best believe the money is going to spill

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