BRUH: If she's faded. it's not consent.

Some of y'all killin' me with this 'subtle nuance' bull$hit re: Nate Parker:

'he facilitated Celestin' etc...

that girl sat there for HOURS...waiting on Nate. She was clearly pressed and he knew it. Everything that happened that night was a bad idea.

the telephone conversation the day after was hilariously sad, reading the transcript of this dude trying to wiggle his way out of the situation.

'we already discussed this'

you let the homie smash your date.


man...the nxgga was fulla $hit.

"we were all fulla $hit at that age"

It's unfortunate for him that this is coming up RIGHT NOW. But regardless of all the surrounding circumstance..WE MAKE OUR CHOICES. YOUR ACTIONS HAVE CONSEQUENCES. YOU WERE ACQUITTED OF A CRIME...BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN NOTHING HAPPENED. IT DOESN'T SEEM 'FAIR', BUT LIFE AINT FAIR. AND Y'ALL NIGGAS COPPIN PLEAS FOR CUZ SHOULD BE ASHAMED.

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"...Whateva, man..." (c) Redman

"Get ready....for your blessing....."

this.

do you have the right to change your mind AFTER the fact/incident?

say, in the heat of the moment you're unsure, but aren't adamant in stopping it - for whatever reason

is it kosher to later say "i was forced"?

and I ain't answering it.

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when somebody aint 100% in

ie a woman can go along with sex for her own motives or bc she wants to satisfy the guy and not be 100% into it.

A man having sex with a woman in that situation isn't raping her.

I do agree though, that if that percentage of 'into it' is low, it should be a turn-off foor a dude tho lol

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

but you can NEVER 100% tell what someone else is thinking

some folks don't wanna mess up a shot and don't want to seem like a herb by stopping and asking questions

in the "better safe than sorry" yes, but in reality not always

.....and if you're drunk/high/buzzed your own sense of acuity (read: ability to pick up context clues) is jacked up

>some folks don't wanna mess up a shot and don't want to seem
>like a herb by stopping and asking questions

DA prolly ain't touching that one.

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

consensual implies "sureness" for lack of a better word. ur partner should be able to pick up on u being unsure. its problematic when they cant or dont care

do u have an example?

bc im thinking of situations where someone is pressured/manipulated/coerced into doing sexual acts they dont want to but for whatever reason are unable to stop things from happening. this is very common in teenage/abusive relationships

>do you have the right to change your mind AFTER the
>fact/incident?
>say, in the heat of the moment you're unsure, but aren't
>adamant in stopping it - for whatever reason
>
>is it kosher to later say "i was forced"?

in my example above, the person "didnt change their mind" bc they were unsure (not understanding healthy relationships/consent themselves) to begin with. due to rape culture, there are situations where pp are raped and dont fully understand it or able to react in the moment.

the question is reworded

but as i think about it I DO have an example of a "changed mind"

back in school, friend of mine was hanging with some cats after a "party" (on some lets roll)

she was drunk when she left, got high while there

got frisky and ended up with dude A

in a haze (later) she ended up with his boy, then another cat

not quite a train, more like a orgy/relay race (think: bed hopping by guys and girls) she was down with while high, but probably wouldn't have when sober - whether or not she was using the intoxication as a license is another thing for another convo (see: http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/jamiefoxx/blameitonthealcohol.html <--- i know y'all high-and-mighty above-it-alls don't get it, btu this is how some folks roll, enough that an Oscar winner made a song abotu the concept)

next day when relaying the story, while in full hangover mode, she frames it as rape

I told her to report it, which she never did

there is fight, flight OR freeze

it should not take someone screaming, kicking or punching to stop whatever is about to go down. a whispered "no" "stop" or "screaming" should have equal weight. ppl react in different ways and other interpersonal dynamics come into place to impact their reactions.

anyway, back off my soapbox.

yikes. how was she framing it like rape? i think that would provide much insight. it is alarming to me that she says it wouldn't have happened if she was sober.

was she coherent/sober enough to fully know what was going on? who initiated the encounter? i assume these guys were drunk/high too? regardless, its on the initiator to get consent. yes, alcohol decreases ur ability to discern the capacity of the other party to give consent, but the responsibility to obtain consent still falls on them. no one in the situation can "blame it on the alcohol." is it rape or perhaps some form of sexual misconduct? this whole situation sounds like a recipe for disaster.

>there is fight, flight OR freeze

right

>it should not take someone screaming, kicking or punching to
>stop whatever is about to go down. a whispered "no" "stop" or
>"screaming" should have equal weight. ppl react in different
>ways and other interpersonal dynamics come into place to
>impact their reactions.

true. but do you or do you not agree that if someone won't stop you need to protect YOURSELF with all you have?

"should" is all well, fine, nice and good - but more often than not it isn't reality (the bucket of what should be but isn't is full to overflowing, until we permanently pull out a thing it isnt how folk are)

>how was she framing it like rape? i think that would
>provide much insight.

she said: I was raped. that's how it started. when I asked what happened all the rest came out

>it is alarming to me that she says it
>wouldn't have happened if she was sober.

yup. and it was 20-some-odd years ago at the time also

>was she coherent/sober enough to fully know what was going on?

enough to recap and rethink her part

>who initiated the encounter?

it was one of those unspoken "we all down, lets get it poppin" deals. that's about all that came out

>i assume these guys were
>drunk/high too?

yes

>regardless, its on the initiator to get consent.

should be. but....sometime consent is assumed to be implied by lack of "push-back". not right - but real

>yes, alcohol decreases ur ability to discern the
>capacity of the other party to give consent, but the
>responsibility to obtain consent still falls on them.

does that even make sense? paraphrase: it's on the impaired to think clearly

what if they don't? is it even *really* reasonable to expect them to?

>no one in the situation can "blame it on the alcohol."

she *did* though.

past that, in what situation is it OK to do that to you?

>is it rape or
>perhaps some form of sexual misconduct?

that;s too deep for me, rape is a form of sexual misconduct to me. the need to parse it down to *that* not *this* term-wise makes all this kinda problematic to me

>this whole situation
>sounds like a recipe for disaster.

indeed. and there are a whole lot of self-determined chef's writing these all the time

'not adamant to stop it'

i missed that part originally.

No is no, whether its adamant or not...anything after that is rape.

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

scream, kick, punch

fight or flight

you're right, no IS no - but what about a whimper that COULD be no, or could be "slow down" or "not there"?

then there is the fear factor (I was scared to resist)

"adamant" could be seen as subjective....true...btu lets not get lost in the term

the main question remains (worded differently):

can hindsight allow me to redefine what happened?

>can hindsight allow me to redefine what happened?

but it certainly shouldn't take screaming, kicking, fighting etc. to express that you want a person to stop. I just think adamantly throws everything off...if someone whimpers 'no, stop' or anything remotely similar and hear them you damn well better find out what that means ie stop altogether vs do something differently.

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

but lets not act like it doesn't happen with a high regularity

it shouldn't TAKE all that, except when it does

just because you CAN do something, doesn't mean you SHOULD.

I believe in SOME gender roles that may be patriarchal, but I'm progressive enough to know when to stand on that and when to sit my ass down.

That being said: as a MAN...if the WOMAN decides at any point she not feelin it, then it's game over. Like as stated above: you can tell when the other party aint 100%

If I gotta give a closing argument to get the draws it's not that serious. Enthusiasm in the even is part of the fun. Why you wanna fuck somebody who don't wanna be fucked?

I don't get it.

Are you THAT selfish?

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"...Whateva, man..." (c) Redman

too many willing people out there to EVER have to force yourself on anyone

and I'm Black too, i'm never trying to have to depend of the mercy of any judge or jury

but that said

i've seen folks play all kinds of risky "games" when the blood starts flowing (and then you add intoxicants....)

AND IT SEEMS SOOOOOOOO SIMPLE

I aint here to castigate anyone. humans are gonna human.

maybe I should just be thankful that even tho my pops aint always live with us...he was there. I had people 'there' enough to know better than this shit @ 19.

IG: amadu_me

"...Whateva, man..." (c) Redman

Not the concept of group sex per or male male female threesomes. But the idea of, "Hey, Im getting some...why don't I offer Tony some too. Lemmie go get Tony"

It's like, its not an extra slice of pizza. I barely wanna share a pack of M&M's, least of all pussy, LOL.

I also find it interesting on how when I was growing up it was always this weird sense of pride by the same dudes that would freak out at anyone even remotely going at their masculinity.

damn, i want some of THAT ice cream. Granted, maybe it made me want to get some of my own, but i damn sure wasn't offering it to anyone else when i got it.

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

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Can't imagine hopping into the room turned on by the sweet smells of her, the smell of post sex funk, and whatever cheap axe spray my friend had on, lol

>Can't imagine hopping into the room turned on by the sweet
>smells of her, the smell of post sex funk, and whatever cheap
>axe spray my friend had on, lol

Sure you can't imagine it now but a lot of 18-19 year-old's have a one track mind when pussy is involved.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2H5K-BUMS0

>Sure you can't imagine it now but a lot of 18-19 year-old's have a one track mind when pussy is involved.

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

I loosely tie it to animal behavior. Like when you see two male dogs fucking.

wherever there's hyper masculinity, some questionable shit is BOUND 2 lurk beneath the surface.

Also - because pussy.

IG: amadu_me

"...Whateva, man..." (c) Redman

I loosely tie it to animal behavior. Like when you see two male dogs fucking.

wherever there's hyper masculinity, some questionable shit is BOUND 2 lurk beneath the surface.

Also - because pussy.

IG: amadu_me

"...Whateva, man..." (c) Redman

(cats ....or girls....into that kinda stuff)

usually referring to themselves as "live ni&&as"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ld5TeCc0zbE

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2H5K-BUMS0

My boy ran several trains. And one day, a girl asked him what does he get out of it. He said...."it's not just about sex or pleasure...it's about bonding with your bro. Like, we give each other hi fives and crack jokes during it."

I'm like......................ain't that what Sports and Napolean Dynamite are for???

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>do you have the right to change your mind AFTER the
>fact/incident?
>
>say, in the heat of the moment you're unsure, but aren't
>adamant in stopping it - for whatever reason
>
>is it kosher to later say "i was forced"?

<--- Big Baller World Order

Girl I had been dealing with for a while, but we never went alllll the way, just oral. First time I got on top of her, she got extremely nervous, and I was like "you sure you want me to do it?" and she just nodded her head to say yes. I asked again, and said "you sure???" and she barely said anything except "mmm hmmm."

I remember it being the only time in my life I got soft after ten seconds inside....I think I felt uncomfortable as hell, seeing that she didn't give me an "enthusiastic yes" just threw me all the way off.

We did talk about it later, and she just said she never felt it was morally right for her to go all the way (she was a strong Christian type), but that she knew she wanted it and that she didn't feel like I forced or coerced her in any way.

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"...Whateva, man..." (c) Redman

>do you have the right to change your mind AFTER the
>fact/incident?

No.

>say, in the heat of the moment you're unsure, but aren't
>adamant in stopping it - for whatever reason
>
>is it kosher to later say "i was forced"?

Are you asking if it's kosher to say you were forced after willingly doing something because your heart wasn't totally into it but you otherwise didn't tell the other person to stop?

No.

Putting someone in prison because you changed your mind after the act is an evil thing to do.

What would cause someone to not suspend consent once already starting an act?

Shame? Backlash? Self preservation against a worse violence?

The fact that people frame their own consent as something they 100% always in control of is the problem.

A woman should be able to say "no. Wait stop" and that be the end of it. There isn't much debate to that notion.

We gotta flip the script. By the base definition of "rape" people say Nate didn't rape that woman. But he definitely conspired to manipulate her into "consent" by being like she was with it, and if not then how could he know when they were all drunk? THIS is the shit that needs to change with us dudes and our dudeness.

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that doesn't make him look like a piece of crap at best

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

that alone.

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"...Whateva, man..." (c) Redman

Seemed like an ok cat....
But them Hollywood folks ALL funnystyle IMO....
I never fully trust a man with a limp handshake though.


"Get ready....for your blessing....."

>Seemed like an ok cat....
>But them Hollywood folks ALL funnystyle IMO....
>I never fully trust a man with a limp handshake though.
>
>
>"Get ready....for your blessing....."


LOL.

Im just laughing at the image of you going, 'Damn, that bongo playing nigga ain't shit' in the corner after meeting him

and it's funny to me because....Harry most likely doesn't have the cleanest of records himself...

Just a passing thought that popped up when they posted that article...and I remember when I met him. It was work related kinda....



"Get ready....for your blessing....."

>and it's funny to me because....Harry most likely doesn't
>have the cleanest of records himself...

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"Take the surprise out your voice Shaq."-The REAL CP3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2H5K-BUMS0

and the assumptions we make based off "limp" handshakes

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follow them.

I read the transcripts on Daily Beast and I was just shaking my head at all of the stammering by Nate.

His Air Force friend gave what SEEMED to be a more accurate account of what went down.

IG: amadu_me

"...Whateva, man..." (c) Redman

alcohol culture
sex culture


it all contributes to rape culture but i don't consider it all rape

i definitely think it's sexual misconduct and skirts the line of legal/illegal

but alcohol (especially at that age) is a tool with the express purpose of lowering inhibitions...

it can cross the line...

consent and alcohol only comes up for women...

i don't have enough fingers for the amount of times women have slept with me while i was blackout drunk...i don't think that's rape...i don't think it's even sexual assault...9.9 times out of 10...i knew what i was getting myself into and there were a few Ls i just took

i'm not saying everyone has to operate that way or that it's right but it's general scumbaggery that can cross the line or not

all that nuance you are willfully dismissing is on you...i don't think it's right, fair, nor reasonable

i realize this is an unpopular opinion and i've tried to test my reasoning with as little bias/prejudice as I possibly could

doesn't make me right but i've yet to be convinced otherwise by what i consider to be incomplete or limited scope views on consent

Let me sport my Air Hyperbole 2010s in peace. (c) ansomble

Building repetoires (c) spm since 1983

she ran into a friend of a friend and he ews already tipsy. Dude had some real issues with alcohol, big guy, one time we had a party and he slept in our bathtube for 4 hours. Dudes and girls pissing right next to him... college, the good ole days

few years after we graduated she bumps into him late night. Dude is already drunk.

They bar hop, drinking even more, one thing led to another and she said they were having sex all over the house.

next morning he wakes up like wtf happened? What did we do, what did YOU do to me?

She thought he was trying to play dumb but I know this dude and he used to get black out drunk.

just made me wonder if he woulda went forward would he have a case... could he ruin her life by bringing it up years later or would he get laughed out the precinct?

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and not taken him serious at all.

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but now I think back and wonder...

plus I seen this dude while drunk and the next day he would be on some "I did what? i dont remember any of that"

dude had a legit problem with alcohol.

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for sure say "well maybe you shouldn't get so drunk that you don't remember, that's your fault!" but that's surely a double standard and victim blaming if he feels he was legit raped and taken advantage of.

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I like that this perception is SLOWLY changing but it needs to. Dude was raped. What if she gave him an STD or got pregnant. How could he reasonably make a decision on bearing children in that state? But...he'd be responsible for it.

http://myfox8.com/2015/05/17/woman-pleads-guilty-to-breaking-into-mans-apartment-raping-him-in-his-sleep/

^^^She got 9 months for this.

I think men should have more rights under these circumstances and I fully agree that any woman not of her right mind due to excessive alc consumption has every right to consider it as rape. I do think there should be certain parameters/qualifiers and not just "well, I had a few drinks" to eliminate some of the ambiguity though. Like blood/alc levels, if there were witnesses that confirm/deny victim/accused accounts, history of the couple, entrapment, etc.

For example, when I was in college, I lived in co-ed dorms. The chick I was dating use to spend various nights in my room with me. She would OFTEN wake up and initiate sex with me before I was conscious and aware of what was going on (i'm a heavy sleeper). Given our relationship though, I'd wake up mid straddle and get involved. On occasion, I would do the same to her; slide up beside her in the spooning position and stroke my way inside to wake her up.

Well during one of these instances where I snuck her, she got pregnant (was on BC, lapsed it and voila). So, scared out of her mind (as any pregnant 19 yr old college student would be), she got upset about the whole thing and we had a big argument about it. I guess after she sat down with a few friends, they put it in her ear that I raped her. So she came back to me, angry as hell, spewing that I raped her. And I'm like, well if that's the case, you've raped me MUCH more than I've raped you! We both going to jail!

We ended up patching things up but she had an abortion (against my wishes) and we ended the 'wake up' practice. But I remember how scary that accusation was and it came from someone I had an extended relationship with. It's not always black and white so some considerations should be taken into account.

But I definitely think both genders need protection under the law against being taken advantage of sexually.

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and this may sound wrong but I have doubts when "friends" convince a woman she was raped like you described

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and had she pressed charges, it could have ruined my life.

But she had done the exact same thing to me, SEVERAL times. She was more of that culprit than I was.

And I thought about if I would be mad if it happened the other way, and I would but I'd never think 'rape'. Especially because it's someone I cared for deeply.

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behavior where certain things was acceptable.

Like if me and my wife have a history of choking each other during sex. And one day i choke her and she doesn't tell me to stop or anything, it be hard for her to claim that i assaulted/raped her.

Your girl woulda had to flip and been like you were lying or that she never did it to you or somthing.

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

>behavior where certain things was acceptable.

But when it comes to rape, we both know it's ambiguous. Like a husband saying he sleeps with his wife all the time while she's knocked out after we have one too many and normally she's cool with it or if they role play some home invasion skit a few times and he takes initiative and does it on a day she ain't feeling it.

Just because it's cool under prior circumstances doesn't mean a court will see it as acceptable at all times.

>Like if me and my wife have a history of choking each other
>during sex. And one day i choke her and she doesn't tell me to
>stop or anything, it be hard for her to claim that i
>assaulted/raped her.

If you choked her out of her sleep, she didn't give consent. She'd have a case for assault.

>Your girl woulda had to flip and been like you were lying or
>that she never did it to you or somthing.

I don't think it's this cut and dry currently...but it should be. I agree with you.

As the law stands, sleep/unconscious = no consent.

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if so then i agree you raped her legally.

if she woke up and partook, never said no or stop etc. then no, you didn't.

I really do think this whole rape thing isn't that ambiguous when you get down to it.

Granted, I'm not saying a court will 'get it right' all the time either...we know how that goes.

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

but considering it was initiated before she woke up and she could have gotten pregnant at any point during the act, a court can still see it as rape.

Unconscious = no consent.

If she filed charges (and maybe disputed or omitted her part in it), a compelling argument could have been made that I raped her. What could I do? Deny it? She pregnant and already told friends what happened (and I had told a few homies too but realistically, they were just dudes I met in college the prior year, my HOMIES were all back home. I didn't expect these dudes to ride for me if it became a legal matter).

Emotions were high and she was angry. That could have gone 7000 different ways. I wouldn't put it past any woman with an axe to grind to stack the deck against a man.

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I was a heavy ass drinker back then. In college it was nothing for me to wake up in a chick's room naked, clearly having had sex with her at some point in the night. On those nights it was always a chick I would have never otherwise spoken to or even looked in her direction, let alone fuck her. The story would always go that I was drunk as shit, she came on to me, we end up kissing at whatever lil get together was going on at the moment (spades, genesis madden 92/93, shootin dice, etc). My dudes would always hit me with the "dawg, she busted/fat/skanky as shit" warning but in my state I gave nary one fuck and was led to her room to proceed to smash her like an Idaho potato. There were plenty of times while living alone where I would have my peoples over to my crib, get drunk, and end up fucking one of their less than aesthetically pleasing friends because I was shitfaced and she took advantage of the situation.

so, in addition to having been sexually assaulted/molested by older women in my neighborhood while I was in high school, I've been repeatedly raped while intoxicated all through college and quite a few times after college.


... but if, at any point during the 80's or 90's, I attempted to bring charges against any of those women I would have been laughed out of the police station and the prosecutor would have called me up just to laugh at me some more.

doesn't make it right.

Think about if you got one of those women pregnant. Or she gave you an STD. There has to be the same protections in the law for either sex.

ESPECIALLY when child birth is involved.

Men shouldn't be the sole cross bearers for social responsibility in this realm.

We should all be classy enough to pass on a physical foray with someone drunk off their a** (especially if one party is sober).

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http://womenspost.ca/articlessocialnetworking50-most-disgusting-responses-torontos-male-rape-victim/

^^^ this was only 3 years ago. The norm back then is still the norm now.

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"Where was the peace when we were getting shot? Where's the peace when we were getting laid out?
Where is the peace when we are in the back of ambulances? Where is the peace then?
They don't want to call for peace then.

No one should be forced to engage in the act.

I don't know the circumstances behind the case (if they had a weapon, were all carrying STD's, protection was used, etc) but it's very scary for anyone to force this on you.

He's 19. Could very well be a virgin and this could have been his first sexual experience.

All the yuckity-yuck is disgusting. NOBODY wants to be involved with someone they aren't attracted to and if these 4 chicks are riding around forcibly group smashing dudes, I'd think they are uber thirsty and probably not very attractive.

And we don't know the physical make up of dude but 4 vs 1 is usually a losing battle.

I mean who's really gonna be happy about 4 busted chicks possibly holding you up at gun/knife point, maybe restraining you (cuffs or rope) and having their way with you and leaving you on the side of the road. They could do this all the time as some sort of revenge tactic against men that gave them HIV or something.

It's dangerous, unsavory and traumatic and for anyone to make light of it is point black reprehensible.

And regardless of the ignorance of the public, the law should protect us all, equally. I'm glad he reported it.

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https://www.naij.com/613936-31-year-old-man-raped-three-women.html

https://www.naij.com/561915-unbelievable-read-two-women-raped-29-year-old-man.html


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"Where was the peace when we were getting shot? Where's the peace when we were getting laid out?
Where is the peace when we are in the back of ambulances? Where is the peace then?
They don't want to call for peace then.

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

People ARE going to get drunk (or other drugs) and fuck. People are gonna get drunk and forget.

HOWEVER.

Lets not act like people don't take advantage. There's a reason why roofies are a thing. I remember I had to go and pull a homeboy off a girl we were drinking with in college; she was passed out in the other room and we were LIT. He made a passing comment, gave that creepy look, and five minutes later we had to go into the room and tell him about himself.

We were all drunk, but that was something else, nahmean?

Referring to the elephant in the room there's a difference between all of them getting lit and her being embarrassed she fucked the guy she was on a date with AND his friend (thus ruining anything else), or if he snuck his friend in when he knew she was too far gone to say no.

To me those lines are pretty clear as opposed to everyone drinking and shit happening.

and maybe it's semantics and i get that we have very little idea of how intoxicated the men were in the specific scenario (at least i do)

taking advantage is exploitation and in a system where the direction of pursuit is largely (culturally one-way)...exploration is typically only going to be seen in that direction

I do think what he/they did is definitely exploitation (i think trains in general are) and possibly illegal but I feel like the black and white view of consent not being possible for intoxicated people is misguided

now if you say the one-way direction of pursuit itself is predatory and therefore a foundation of rape culture...i could see that argument to a certain extent

Let me sport my Air Hyperbole 2010s in peace. (c) ansomble

Building repetoires (c) spm since 1983

>i don't have enough fingers for the amount of times women have
>slept with me while i was blackout drunk...

i mean, buy the book, thats rape whether you wanted/expected it to happen or not.

whether or not you felt like pressing charges is another story

that 'grey area' that's being created - framing it as 'scumbaggery' etc.. is a slippery slope to prison. Some will see this is a black and white issue, some won't.

I UNDERSTAND the nuances. I have had my own experiences but I FEEL that in the interest of DOING NO HARM one SHOULD boil their circumstances down to black or white to avoid prison.

I'd also ask you to print your post out and try reading that to a VICTIM. Might sound a little different.

Patriarchal as it may seem...caint no woman fuck you with any of her appendages unless she has a size/strength advantage. but you have a body part that can do damage.

we got the guns...they don't.

>alcohol culture
>sex culture
>
>
>it all contributes to rape culture but i don't consider it all
>rape
>
>i definitely think it's sexual misconduct and skirts the line
>of legal/illegal
>
>but alcohol (especially at that age) is a tool with the
>express purpose of lowering inhibitions...
>
>it can cross the line...
>
>consent and alcohol only comes up for women...
>
>i don't have enough fingers for the amount of times women have
>slept with me while i was blackout drunk...i don't think
>that's rape...i don't think it's even sexual assault...9.9
>times out of 10...i knew what i was getting myself into and
>there were a few Ls i just took
>
>i'm not saying everyone has to operate that way or that it's
>right but it's general scumbaggery that can cross the line or
>not
>
>all that nuance you are willfully dismissing is on you...i
>don't think it's right, fair, nor reasonable
>
>i realize this is an unpopular opinion and i've tried to test
>my reasoning with as little bias/prejudice as I possibly
>could
>
>doesn't make me right but i've yet to be convinced otherwise
>by what i consider to be incomplete or limited scope views on
>consent
>

IG: amadu_me

"...Whateva, man..." (c) Redman

dicks are not guns

they can do damage

but that damage has very little to do with consent

that's the way i'm framing my issues with the black and white treatment...

i agree it's in men's best interest to be concerned with the black and white out of interest in not being in court/jail

2 separate discussions

it's actually kinda sexist as fuck to pretend like genitalia define the rules of consent

Let me sport my Air Hyperbole 2010s in peace. (c) ansomble

Building repetoires (c) spm since 1983

smashed in these encounters too.

They should be able to understand a "no" but if that's not there to say they're still supposed to be able to psycho-analyze a crazy drunk to tell whether or not "she's really into it" while they're shit-faced themselves is crazy.

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"Take the surprise out your voice Shaq."-The REAL CP3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2H5K-BUMS0

is it our strength?
it is because we penetrate the woman?

how can 2 people be shit faced and the burden is all on the guy to make sure everything is cool?

i posted a story up above and most agree people would laugh at the guy. (myself included)

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

and how white girls will get drunk and be all over black dudes but the next day when they're sober and think about what their friends/family will say if they found out and they freak out.

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"Take the surprise out your voice Shaq."-The REAL CP3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2H5K-BUMS0

in HS girls were getting beat by their dads like in Jungle Fever when the word got out.

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

there.

all fixed.

IG: amadu_me

"...Whateva, man..." (c) Redman

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

>and how white girls will get drunk and be all over black
>dudes but the next day when they're sober and think about what
>their friends/family will say if they found out and they freak
>out.


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

i think the reason why these sort of conversations are hard to have for men are not unlike the difficulties whites have with discussions of race. I believe a lot of the times people tend to take it personal and stop listening during the times when its super important to listen.

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https://soundcloud.com/swageyph/yph-die-with-me

I think a lot of men went to college, got drunk and had sex and now hear that it could be considered rape and are like whoa, whoa whoa...hold up... "I'M A GOOD PERSON"

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

you're a rapist.

________________________________________
"Take the surprise out your voice Shaq."-The REAL CP3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2H5K-BUMS0

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

boys and it's supposed to be ok.

________________________________________
"Take the surprise out your voice Shaq."-The REAL CP3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2H5K-BUMS0

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.