Actual report: https://www.justice.gov/opa/file/883366/download

Summary via Wired: http://www.wired.com/2016/08/dojs-starling-baltimore-report-proves-need-data-cops/

Basically, this is all consistent with what I've learned in my CJ curriculum in college nearly 20 years ago.

Baltimore is a representative sample of most metropolitan depts, I'd guess.

Happy 50th D’Angelo: https://chrisp.bandcamp.com/track/d-50

going in on this stuff.


>Actual report:
>https://www.justice.gov/opa/file/883366/download
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>Summary via Wired:
>http://www.wired.com/2016/08/dojs-starling-baltimore-report-proves-need-data-cops/
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>Basically, this is all consistent with what I've learned in my
>CJ curriculum in college nearly 20 years ago.
>
>Baltimore is a representative sample of most metropolitan
>depts, I'd guess.
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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

I'm familiar with her rep coming into the job

but I'm sincerely asking if she's prosecuted anything to do with any of these cases

we got another DOJ report...I'm super excited!!!

i.e. isn't this what they always do?

what am I missing here?

Who Killed Freddie Gray.

she's been US AG for over a year

and I don't see the difference, TBH

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https://www.justice.gov/file/how-pp-investigations-work/download

"If an investigation reveals patterns or practices of unlawful policing, the division will seek to work with the
department, with input from community stakeholders, to
effectively and sustainably remedy any unlawful practices.
This usually takes the form of a negotiated agreement that incorporates specific remedies and that becomes a federal
court order overseen by an independent monitor. If the division is unable to reach such a negotiated reform
agreement, then it has authority to initiate a lawsuit to secure reforms.

...

The Department of Justice stays involved throughout the implementation of remedies to ensure that meaningful and
sustainable change occurs. This process typically takes years. Exactly how long it takes to depends upon a number of
factors including the commitment of local leadership to making changes."

fuck you.

I get that this is probably the best they can do, but sitting down and negotiating with corrupt folks doesn't seem productive.

(read a summary)

the neighbouhood/block specific-ness of this city still surprises me
i live in a pretty good area, and rarely see cop cars on my block (unless they are headed somewhere)
but a few blocks over and i know its a different story
where i lived prior - i was on the 9th floor and every weekend i could see a police copter circling this one particular neighbourhood
(that has got to be traumatizing to kids. its a practice they really should stop/ find an alternative)

we'll see what changes this brings though

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http://perspectivesudans.blogspot.com/
i myself would never want to be god,or even like god.Because god got all these human beings on this planet and i most certainly would not want to be responsible for them, or even have the disgrace that i made them.

>Baltimore is a representative sample of most metropolitan
>depts, I'd guess.


Pg 62 lol

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Coolin...

Streets won't let me chill.

i especially liked the part where BPD instructed officers to commit illegal stop and frisks/driving while black tactics DURING the DOJ ride-along.



any stats on cleveland policing since the last doj report?

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bunda
<-.-> ^_^ \^0^/
get busy living, or get busy dying.

how much $$$ goes into generating these reports

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fuck you.

violations

as we've seen, prosecuting individual actors has proven futile

I would like to see the higher ups fall on their sword

or be prosecuted

that is, you oversaw this mess and didn't do jack about it

now you gotta go, by stairs or window.

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require the fedz to prove that the officers intended to violate the constitutional rights of the various citizens at issue. that is very difficult to accomplish which is why there are few prosecutions under that federal civil rights statute. usually those prosecutions target correctional officers who beat inmates/detainees - they rarely target cops on the street.

the Washington Post explains this a little in relation to the Mike Brown/Ferguson case:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2014/08/19/what-would-federal-prosecutors-have-to-prove-in-the-michael-brown-shooting/?utm_term=.77d040d920b0

fuck you.

the cop who shot Walter Scott - the fedz are going after him for criminal violations of Walter Scott's constitutional rights.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2016/05/11/former-north-charleston-officer-who-shot-walter-scott-indicted-on-federal-civil-rights-violation/?utm_term=.47b02dcd56c2

fuck you.

wonder what set this case apart that similar fed charges were not brought in the FL social worker shooting

or eric garner

or james blake in ny


or any other case where there is not even a question of the flimsy "i thought he had a weapon" excuse

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bunda
<-.-> ^_^ \^0^/
get busy living, or get busy dying.

Bc there's an explanation.

fuck you.

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I'm not here to defend DOJ just to explain my understanding of DOJ's decisions based on what I've read and my limited professional experience. I'm not about to be beat up by you ppl bc I understand som'n.

That first link from WaPo that explains such a prosecution in the Mike Brown context. The meat of it is in the need to prove that the cop acted with a 'bad purpose' or 'evil motive'. It's gotta be more than what we all assume about cops based on hundreds of years of ___ involving other cops in other places or even other cops in that same jurisdiction. it's nearly impossible bc the cop usually will testify that s/he acted out of a self defense or defense of others or some other justification. Sure it may turn out that the belief was unreasonable but that's enough for a not guilty in these cases.

Ofc Slager's case is different bc the video rebuts his self defense claim - the fedz will prove his malice using that video and his attempted cover up afterward. This isn't one of those 'split second decision' cases. All of the others are like that - cops reacting where they thought they needed to defend themselves. Those are tough federal cases. But the story is different in state court where if the cop was wrong about self defense there might be another charge to bring (2nd degree murder, manslaughter, aggravated battery, et al).

fuck you.

in previously related posts/topics

IRT being able to claim self defense, etc...*

and I get it, the Walter Scott case is as blatant as it gets

with him running away AND the officer covering up the shooting

I guess what we're saying is, if that's the precedent

it should be obvious there are bigger problems

issuing reports, oversight committee, etc...

that's part of the process of how we got here to begin with

*when does the evidence outweigh THEIR story

i.e. you thought the victim had a gun

+ they didn't

= guilty.

for example the FL shooting

you thought the patient had a gun

but you shot the caretaker

= guilty.

etc...

the precedent of having to establish the most egregious of actions to even think about prosecuting a case

is part of the problem

if a case can't be brought against individuals

when a report like this is issued, how do the higher-ups keep their job

I work in med devices

our global manager for market development got fired

because sales were below targets for 2 quarters

these reports establish years, if not decades of illegal activity

= nobody's fault...?

I do truly appreciate your legal insight

but for regular citizens, it's hard to see these incidents continuing to pile up, and there continue to be no consequences

High 5, desk duty

that's what terror looks like

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fuck you.

are you saying it wasn't intentional?

seems like an easy argument to counter given the over whelming evidence

that is

the policies carried out, intentionally, by this PD did violate the 4th amendment

I don't see how hard that is, but I'll defer to you legally

IMO, sounds like BS.

the higher ups should be responsible for this...commissioner, chief, etc...

they enabled this culture to thrive.

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i'm not sure the report says the fedz have concluded that any BPD officer violated this statute:

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/242

Whoever, under color of any law, statute, ordinance, regulation, or custom, willfully subjects any person in any State, Territory, Commonwealth, Possession, or District to the deprivation of any rights, privileges, or immunities secured or protected by the Constitution or laws of the United States, or to different punishments, pains, or penalties, on account of such person being an alien, or by reason of his color, or race, than are prescribed for the punishment of citizens, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than one year, or both; and if bodily injury results from the acts committed in violation of this section or if such acts include the use, attempted use, or threatened use of a dangerous weapon, explosives, or fire, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both; and if death results from the acts committed in violation of this section or if such acts include kidnapping or an attempt to kidnap, aggravated sexual abuse, or an attempt to commit aggravated sexual abuse, or an attempt to kill, shall be fined under this title, or imprisoned for any term of years or for life, or both, or may be sentenced to death.

...usually the prosecutions under this statute get hung up on the 'willful' aspect of the cops' act. the constitutional violation can't be inadvertent - the fedz have to prove that the cop meant to violate the constitution by doing __.

>are you saying it wasn't intentional?

i'm not saying anything. i'm just trying to explain why DOJ doesn't pursue more criminal indictments of cops under the civil rights statute. i also haven't said whether i agree or disagree w/DOJ when it declines to prosecute so many officers.

fuck you.

I'm sure every black person in Baltimore and anywhere was not surprised by the findings of these reports.

However, to a majority of #FFFFF Americans: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFHpvPwq2i8

Its a SYSTEMIC issue and as a result punishments gotta reverberate across all levels...hitting them in their budget, paychecks and pensions is more easily felt then lets say them offering up a few bodies as a sacrifice. Keep in mind the feds dangling that cash to local police was the main motivator to get them on line on the war on drugs (because remember lazy is their natural state, lol)

Most big police departments have that cycle where a few big cops get caught doing corruption and get arrested/fired they behave for a few years until it starts bubbling up again. Imho same thing would happen here with some of the worse/harder to cover up cases offered up as a sacrifice only for it to return as it was.

Ideally id want it on some Iran shit; every year they pull their books and if they don't improve, cash no bueno.