* If you don't have a party, where do you differ from your usual political allies?

For instance, I can't stand it when liberals are anti-gmo.

Yeah there are a lot of shady practices in our food system...but to just be against genetically modifying crops as a general rule? For what?

If we can make a form of grain that can grow in the Kalahari desert then why the fuck not?

What if we figure out how to make apple trees take in 4,000x the usual amount of carbon a tree absorbs out of the atmosphere?

I definitely think we should monitor how corporations deal with genome creation, but at the end of the day this just seems like fear mongering.

They made an apple that can produce for a longer period of time than previous apples...oh no, that different bit of dna is gonna give you the cancer. FOH.


Go ahead and call out your side for some nonsense.

For me....also the death penalty. I certainly don't support the way that the US uses the death penalty. And I want to be clear that 'no death penalty' would be better than the status quo in the US. But in Canada...we don't use it ever....and I think it should have a place in the criminal justice system. I agree with it on principle.

Also...standardized testing in school. That's usually a conservative value....for my father it was his way out of poverty. I HATE the inequality with private/public schooling and the fact that people can essentially BUY their way into good grades and college/university acceptance.

i listen to some true crime podcasts and some of the crazy murders some Canadians have done and be back in society in 15 years or less is mind-blowing.

like, as a citizen of Canada i'd be legit worried. at minimum some of these cats should be locked up for life but Canada is almost too PC about it. these murderers were getting treated WELL.

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We have universal health care so I'm unfamiliar with all the complexities in your guys system.

Social Security is our version of guaranteed minimum income that we've had in place since the 1930s. Medicare is our federally-operated health insurance system that we've had in place since the 1960s. All American workers pay into both systems, and all Americans are eligible to receive both as benefits once they turn 65 (up to 67 for younger Americans though). Thus, these are the largest so-called "entitlement" programs that we have, representing roughly 50% of our federal budget. Long story short, because of the baby boomers, more Americans are entering their golden years in terms of both volume and proportion than ever before. It's even more problematic considering they're also living much longer than previous generations of Americans.

Increasing the age eligibility requirements would work to ensure that these types of programs are more sustainable.

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"A man who is good enough to shed his blood for his country is good enough to be given a square deal afterwards. More than that no man is entitled, and less than that no man shall have." - TR

i mean we talk about wage stagnation since the 70s, but i think a lot of the story of cost of living and income security is lost when you just look at money coming in and ignore what people do with that money. and it makes the issues with have with finance and healthcare (and privilege and reparations and hidden costs of prosperity) even more stark.

my grandparents didn't have high-status jobs, but they were able to retire comfortably, with great medical coverage and some disposable income, before almost all the grandchildren were born.

their children had higher-status jobs and are still working (with one exception who was career-military *and* with a strong union when he went reserves) as they their enter their 70s.

most of their grandchildren can barely finance their shit right now in their 30s and 40s.

mainly the job market and the economy for younger adults. but on the flip side, do you really think it's reasonable for ppl 70 plus to still be working for what amounts to chump change when they retire.

everything i can think of would also have bigger ripples on the structure of the job market.

and it's the boomers who are most affected by the age requirements that are the most against making any changes at all to the status quo.

they don't say it this way, but they seem to be sure it's all going to come crashing down and they just hope they can get theirs before that happens.

I'm fine with some people being put to sleep.

Guns. Not so much that i'm against common sense measures like univeral background checks, or that i want to be on the side of asshats like Ted Nugent, but i think the same way conservatives need to realize they lost their battle against gay rights, liberals should probably concede that gun control isn't going to happen any time in the foreseeable future. And, yeah i know the dynamics of public opinion don't really work for that example, but still, literally every time liberals push hard for gun control, the gun lobby only gets stronger.

i'm also not sold on a blanket $15 federal minimum wage. it's one of those issues where i think there are legit arguments on both sides.

There are probably more.

I split from the Republican party on an ever increasing list:

Trickle down economics and tax cuts for businesses can fuck right off. Both of these do not work and cost more in the long run via cost to state governments.

I disagree with racial profiling is cool because it makes the right side feel safer.

Obviously I disagree with them about police brutality.

I disagree with entitlement reform aka cuts to social security.

KEEP YER FUCKING HANDS OFF MAH OBAMACARE.

We need more gun control.

I have more important things to do than defend the "sanctity of marriage".

I'm on the side of climate change so there's that.

I'm pro choice/abortion as I know some people that had to press the reset button a few times.

Privatization sucks so I guess that makes me a fan of goverment. Seriously why run for office if you want to decrease the role of government?

Is it me or am I starting to sound like one those ipad loving sandal wearing Pax 2 using libryuls?

I'm not shittin' on you. I just left 'em after 21 years when I got to the primary ballot and felt gross voting for any of 'em.

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I'm partial to the older 1997-2000 Republican party than this BS. It was filled with good beneficial government.

lmao, nothing about you says GOP besides prolly being raised one.

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he's not a fan of donkeys.

Kira up in the soul food spot talking about "iont like collards, fried chicken, pork, macncheese, yams, fried fish or cornbread"

"I'm just here for the sweet tea and AC"

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It really disturbs me how nobody is standing up for modern bioscience. We'll argue about evolution until the cows come home, but let that science start tainting our children's food and suddenly a lot of liberals forget all their bio 101.

Also, nuclear energy. Fission has its difficulties, but it's still the cleanest and safest large-scale energy generation method we have. And fusion should get A LOT more research funding and popular attention than it does.

And while I don't necessarily support or oppose hydrofracking, I wish we could have a much smarter discussion about it than we do.

Also, while I don't support unfettered free trade, my impression is that the public conception of NAFTA's effects is deeply flawed (not that it's necessarily been a net positive, but it didn't kill American manufacturing, much less the American middle class). Also, I find the President's arguments in support of TPP to be much more convincing than the pretty vacuous arguments I've heard against it.

can't fix the problems while incentivizing profiteering. can't reign in the profiteering without reevaluating the capitalist system.
just ain't possible.

that, and the notion anti-capitalism == socialism.

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A, this shouldn't be legal kind of way?

If I cared to focus on the law, this really shouldn'thave ever been legal (aside from life or serious health hazards), but now that its been legal for a couple generations, I'm much less concerned with the legality of it as I am with the reality of it.

I don't believe declaring it illegal would really stop abortions at this point anyway.

I'd much rather attack and fix the systemic economic, social, and cultural issues that lead many pregnant women to have abortions.

But wherever people stand on the legality, I'm just much more disturbed by the straight dismissive almost contempt-filled attitude most pro-choice people express with regard to the fetus. Feeling it needs to be legal is an understandable position, but people act like that shit doesn't even give them a moment of pause.

Like it really is a piece of garbage until it's entire body exits the vagina and then it's magically this person with intrinsic sacred value.

That attitude toward the most vulnerable tiny human lives among us is disturbing as hell to me.

I love John Oliver, but the whole Drumpf bit is played and falls right into the same anti-foreigner rhetoric that Trump uses. It utterly embarrasses me that so many people have taken to its use.

I got MAD people on my timeline that do that shit and I just want to dickslap every single one of them. It ain't cute. It ain't funny. It doesn't prove a point. It just makes the user look mad petty as fuck.

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>falls right into the same anti-foreigner rhetoric that Trump
>uses.

gotta plead ignorance on this because i thought it was just a goofy name, and didn't know there was any kind of meaning behind it. is it that it's supposed to sound german(nazi-ish)?

to trump, soon after arrival as an immigrant to the united states
john oliver highlighted this, pretty much in response to trump's ridiculous claim that
stewart was hiding his jewishness by not using his middle name leibowitz (sp?)
and also as irony that coming from a family of (recent) immigrants and now being anti-immigration
i dont see the leap to this being a sign of anti-foreigness

i have absolutely no problem using this name

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i myself would never want to be god,or even like god.Because god got all these human beings on this planet and i most certainly would not want to be responsible for them, or even have the disgrace that i made them.

yeah, i have no beef with that.

(and I can't claim to be very aware here, I haven't paid much attention) is that the name change wasn't about immigration to the US, they supposedly changed the spelling in the sixteenth century, or something like that.

So my problem with the Drumpf thing (apart from it just being a cliche at this point) is that it's just a lazy joke. A joke that doesn't really say what we all agree it says. It's the kind of "echo chamber humor" that we get a lot of out of Stewart and Oliver. It's the kind of joke that people seem to pretend is funny just out of tribalism.

>So my problem with the Drumpf thing (apart from it just being
>a cliche at this point) is that it's just a lazy joke. A joke
>that doesn't really say what we all agree it says. It's the
>kind of "echo chamber humor" that we get a lot of out of
>Stewart and Oliver. It's the kind of joke that people seem to
>pretend is funny just out of tribalism.

im not sure we agree that it says something/anything
for me its just pretty funny
and its also irony because it does highlight the fact that he comes from a family of recent immigrants
i dont think it means anything beyond that, or is a reflection of some sort of anti-foreign bias
i say it because the whole notion of donald trump is ridiculous (especially his going after stewart 'changing' his name)
perhaps there's a family of drumpfs out there that is feels some kind of way about the use of this name
but they arent currently running for president

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i myself would never want to be god,or even like god.Because god got all these human beings on this planet and i most certainly would not want to be responsible for them, or even have the disgrace that i made them.

the dems have long supported the rule that disallows medicare or federal funding for abortions
i dont understand why. they added it to their platform this year so lets see if they actually push for this. if not i will continue to remain disappointed

i dont know why anti-gmo's are a liberal thing (i think its extreme liberals)
we are supposed to be on the side of science and rationality
also the whole organics thing....i do think the u.s goes overboard with use of pesticides, antibiotics, etc
but there is a middle ground between organics and the status quo and i see this as being part of the whole anti-science thing

the whole no TPP thing- i think clinton is being a coward on this
(although if it helps her in getting elected, im willing to overlook this, for now)
globalisation (and free trade) has its pluses and negatives - removal of some of the barriers to trade do benefit the poorer countries
those agricultural subsidies really hurt poor farmers
manufacturing jobs moving to the third world have lifted many out of poverty
what the developed countries need to be discussing is how to alleviate the negative effects of this on their jobs sector
the manufacturing jobs are not coming back- so deal with it, be innovative, create other types of jobs, increase wages for service jobs etc
not be anti trade deals

ima think of others

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i myself would never want to be god,or even like god.Because god got all these human beings on this planet and i most certainly would not want to be responsible for them, or even have the disgrace that i made them.

i don't think 68 year olds are getting abortions

although i cant wait for science to get us to the point where 68 yr olds can consider having abortions

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i myself would never want to be god,or even like god.Because god got all these human beings on this planet and i most certainly would not want to be responsible for them, or even have the disgrace that i made them.

fighting to help people undercut us for jobs... shit's amazing.

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If un documented workers were coming to the US and receiving equal pay, that would be a stickier issue. But many undocumented workers work for less pay, work in unsafe conditions and are exploited physically because they have no access to the legal system.

The case for illegal immigration is more of moral than economic stance to me,

Sending people back home, in some cases back to dangerous countries who are destabilized in some ways because of US foreign policy and potentially splitting up families isn't a good situation for anyone involved.

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or sent back home.

and ehats frustrating is hatians and darker skin illegals are sent home quick as shit.

as far as why they are paid less, sure... thats why im not a fan of it.

make the laws to become legal easier or speed up the process.

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and on a personal level, that doesn't sit well with me. To me, its easier to modify the law so there's a path to citizenship so there can be fairness and parity for all parties.

>and ehats frustrating is hatians and darker skin illegals are
>sent home quick as shit.

Yeah, that's another reason that the policy needs to change. There's simply too much bias baked into law enforcement to think laws are being enforced in a fair manner.

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>as far as why they are paid less, sure... thats why im not a
>fan of it.
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>make the laws to become legal easier or speed up the process.
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I agree.

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Humans just aren't smart enough to be playing with this shit anywhere other than a lab right now, but are too arrogant and greedy to admit this and thus use the world as their lab.

If history's any indicator, a lot of this shit that the swear is "totally safe... it's science (c)" will turn out to be mad harmful for us and the environment.

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Maybe this is more of a local/city/county/state thing, but they talk a good game, but shit is still fucked-up in our hoods and cities decades later. They get our votes, but what have they really done for us?

I wish I had an REAL option other than "independent" (which is like not voting in this system).

This sounds like something Republicans would propose but..
I think if you are getting public aid and are of able body and mind that you should do some community service (let's say 4 hrs/ week) for your community.
This could be picking up trash, fixing parks and playgrounds, removing graffiti from schools, making meals for the elderly, etc.

Cause they're actually the ones that are a drain on the system and they're the ones getting the most benefit.

It's such a despicable idea to me that poorest, neediest people should "pay" for their lack of resources while the middle class and up benefits from their privilege in much larger ways constantly.

but not sure why making the poorest people who are able bodied do a little community work is frowned upon.

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I completely agree.

I don't think it should be a punishment. I think it's a way to get people involved in their community in a meaningful way. It gets you out of the house, lets you meet new people, and hopefully can spark some change in your day to day life.

I see a lot of people day in day out that don't have shit to do, and honestly they seem like they need to socialize.

especially when its community service.

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if you used to have a good job and are now getting unemployment benefits then you should also have to do some community service.

But I did have to perform community service and prove I was looking for work in order to receive a voucher for money every two weeks.

And truth be told, the sense that people are just happy to get 'free' money is overblown. Most decent people don't like the stigma of having to take welfare.

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i cant get behind this cause. And im pretty liberal on alot of things. But thats a bridge too far for me right now.

Honestly it took me awhile to come around on gay marriage. Although i was okay with civil unions, i was with Repubs on the sanctity of marriage, 1 man - 1 woman definition because thats what i grew up around.