i was originally gonna title this "OkayUK, Help me out!" and ask my tea & crumpet ni&&as to remind me of which of the papers over there are real and which are full of shit. i be getting them confused sometimes.

but then i thought, folks over there (and in other places) might have the same concerns.

this was after i saw some dumb shit on fb that was from like tmzworldnews.com

news is a consumer product now, and there are a lot of uninformed consumers. a ranking and rating by one person is gonna be prone to bias. but if we can list a news outlet, and then multiple ppl post up their opinions of them underneath (like the always 600 plat rate this poaster poasts we used to have), a consensus should emerge, at least among the okp cognoscenti.

so, i propose we list each outlet, and then people write underneath their opinions of the outlet.

for example

New York Times
- Mainstream. Centrist. Traditional news outlet - poetx
- rightwing rag. don't tell truth about chemtrails - wokebruh2020

Washington Post
- Mainstream. Centrist. Traditional news outlet - poetx

Washington Times
- super rightwing. Moony paper. - poetx

Breitbart.com
- to the right of fox news. don't poast no shit from here and think i'm clicking - poetx

Huffington Post
- used to be okay. definition of clickbaity. left of center, generally. lot of they stuff isn't really researched. did i mention clickbaity af? - poetx

if we get enough people to do this, it should hopefully, in aggregate cancel out individual bias. and folks from different places, or who are unfamiliar with an outlet have some semblance of deciding whether a news source is reputable or not, and whether there is a real (or perceived) bias that should be corrected for.

then triptych can run his magic on it, and make it a resource that can be used outside of okp.

b/c frfr, our people perish for lack of knowledge. but it's more counterfeit knowledge out there right now than fake MK bags, and it's only getting worse. fixing the political issues require an informed electorate (and an informed protest class, tbh).

what say you?




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No organization is perfect, but broadly speaking, I know of no better source.

This is the only paper that I read EVERY day.

My idiot of a boss thinks that the NYT is too liberal to be trusted. Basically, he only trusts the BBC, and then only when they present some offbeat counterargument to the main story. Example: When the pussy grabbing tape was released, and everyone in this whole entire country was appalled, including most Republican leaders, my boss heard on BBC one evangelical minister saying "oh it was a long time ago, and we learn from our mistakes" and from that, my boss says that the fuss made by the "media" over the tape is biased.

I don't know what to do. On the one hand, I kind of would like to just not deal with this, just shut up and not discuss politics or the state of the world with him. On the other hand, shutting up is (a) not at all like me, and (b) not at all productive.

I uploaded BBC to my phone and follow it on twitter so that I can be armed with what I guess he thinks is accurate, but god damn I just want to quit my job.

I keep saying that it is fine to report from a point of view, but what is not fine is reporting something that is not a fact. My boss thinks that the NYT is so biased that it does not report facts.

I read the so-called "apology" letter, and to me, it doesn't read as an "apology." To my boss, it sounds like the Times is saying it was totally biased and now it will do better.

What the hell. Foreign news organizations aren't reporting from the perspective of constitutional issues. And they're not doing investigative reporting the way the NYT and other papers are. What can I do? Anything?


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For a UK mag their us coverage is on par with your mainstream US mags (USA Today) and they've had some spectacular groundbreaking reporting like their current project on US police shootings.


https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/series/counted-us-police-killings

Unfortunately they have articles like this though:


https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/video/2016/may/25/women-face-it-marriage-can-never-be-feminist-video

LOL

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i trust their coverage of the u.s more than i trust any american newspaper
they have an election minute post daily- that gives the highlights

oh, and they also have pretty good coverage of international affairs

*thumbs up!*

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I'd been meaning to for a while, but this pushed me over the edge.

typically indepth articles on sometimes random topics

e.g. you might enjoy this: https://www.theguardian.com/science/2016/jun/28/why-bad-ideas-refuse-die


https://www.theguardian.com/news/series/the-long-read

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i myself would never want to be god,or even like god.Because god got all these human beings on this planet and i most certainly would not want to be responsible for them, or even have the disgrace that i made them.

They seem to be non-partisan. I check out the headlines daily.
Tons of content so I'm picky what I dive into: https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/series/vagina-dispatches

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just trying to keep things neat.

if you think this is a dumb idea, please share that in reply to this reply.

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thank you all for participating. i realized in writing that i take a lot of shit for granted, but there's people out there who don't know the difference between the NY Times and the NY Post.


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as of late.


It's like news has become less about objective reporting of facts and more about spin and keeping up pace

Sometimes it feels like theyre just copping each others headlines and tweaking to their brand of reporting before quickly pushing out to readers, just to avoid the late pass. Like.. fast food journalism.

I recognize this is probably a super uninformed take on what actually happens lol, but just comes across this way when checking my news feed.

I know social media has completely changed the landscape, too. Guess I'm taken aback by how much it's affected quality.

>as of late.
>
>
>It's like news has become less about objective reporting of
>facts and more about spin and keeping up pace

i can't really watch the regular network news (local) w/o the strong urge to cuss and throw something, when they be pulling that 'both sides do it' mess. or 'gotta hear both sides' (c) desus. that reached a peak during that death panels shit and it's like the republicans found a glitch in the system, b/c they could outright lie and make shit up but reporters would dutifully give them their airtime opposite whatever a dem said just to uphold the 'letter' of the law of balance.

>Sometimes it feels like theyre just copping each others
>headlines and tweaking to their brand of reporting before
>quickly pushing out to readers, just to avoid the late pass.
>Like.. fast food journalism.

well, that's another thing. i was more sensitive via following sports, and analyzing sports, b/c if you looked closely you could see how one view (based off a box score or poor analysis) propagated throughout all of sports media, truth be damned.

but yeah, it happens with regular news, too. best recent example was during melania's plagiarism. folks were couching their headlines in fraidy cat quotes. no. that shit was objectively, and unequivocally PLAGIARISM. own that shit. i RT'd a few news outlet headlines saying just that. b/c no one establishment wanted to be the first to call a spade a spade.
>
>I recognize this is probably a super uninformed take on what
>actually happens lol, but just comes across this way when
>checking my news feed.

nope. your gut is right. (or, at least matches my gut and only semi-rigorous observation, so we have our own mini-nexus of confirmation bias working).

there have been stories and studies written on the subject, btw. and the conclusions always seem pretty dire. i was aware of the phenomenon 10, 20 yrs ago, but the current state of it is kind of frightening when you consider that a lynchpin of functional democracy is an informed electorate.

and lets not even get started on the paid (and free) troll farms where ppl just spew bullshit to derail ANY semblance of a conversation about what really happens in this country. it's upsetting if you care at all.


>I know social media has completely changed the landscape, too.
>Guess I'm taken aback by how much it's affected quality.

i think sm has accelerated some aspects of it, but the seeds of destruction were planted w/ reagan era deregulation of media markets.

just like the seeds of cultural destruction were sown with same (consolidation of entertainment outlets warped development of hip hop, r&b, and exacerbated age gap in black community). same shit.

but yeah, social media has a multiplier effect on everything. some things good, and some things bad.


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has a unique relationship with journalism. I turned 18 right after the 2000 election and Sept 11 happened during my first few weeks (far away) from home. The debate over going to war/the 2004 elections dominated campus right when my cohort was stepping up as student leaders. Amidst/after that, writing/creating and later managing/editing/producing became BY FAR the most common career path in my political science department. It seems like people I know are more likely to feel like getting the truth and narratives out there are more fruitful avenues than the traditional law/state/policy route. And that if *they* don't share those stories, they might go untold. We're definitely on different paths than the people who matriculated during the Clinton years, and it seems like the Obama years too....but I don't know if that's just my bias/bubble.

>has a unique relationship with journalism. I turned 18 right
>after the 2000 election and Sept 11 happened during my first
>few weeks (far away) from home. The debate over going to
>war/the 2004 elections dominated campus right when my cohort
>was stepping up as student leaders. Amidst/after that,
>writing/creating and later managing/editing/producing became
>BY FAR the most common career path in my political science
>department. It seems like people I know are more likely to
>feel like getting the truth and narratives out there are more
>fruitful avenues than the traditional law/state/policy route.
>And that if *they* don't share those stories, they might go
>untold. We're definitely on different paths than the people
>who matriculated during the Clinton years, and it seems like
>the Obama years too....but I don't know if that's just my
>bias/bubble.

no doubt your cohort is overrepresented in the blog -> media outlet, as they would have natively had the form AND content to do that. as well as the indifference to really ride for doing an end around on the traditional media. and kudos for that. as we're compiling this list its amazing to see so many blogs / born on the internet outlets right alongside newspapers and magazines with 100 yr old pedigrees.


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you'd probably be better off paying close attention to the bylines, and who edits what particular section.

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

to ninjas on fb poasting shit from newsmax. or the black bernie bro ass dude who linking to nationalreview to shit on clinton and justify why both sides are equivalent.

you already have a high degree of media savvy, so you can make distinctions, but a lot of folks who never really thought of it would prolly benefit more from the broad brush approach.

papers and stations used to be on the point/counterpoint ish, but not so much, anymore. but by all means, underneath a particular outlet, if there's a particular writer to look out for (or avoid), post that up.

i used to regard AP as cool, but when ron fournier was in charge of the washington bureau back in '08, his ideological thumbprints were all over it.


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Thanks for this


Hopefully people will be able to list more overseas sources as well, there are things our mainstream media doesn't report which is front news there.

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kind of apropos

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bq2_wSsDwkQ

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Rupert Murdoch owned so you know how that goes when it comes to politics; Sometimes it comes off as a better written NYpost.

On economics they do a fair job because its much more fact based but this infographic they infamously posted a couple of years ago showcases their problem

http://www.slate.com/content/dam/slate/blogs/moneybox/2013/01/16/wsj_fiscal_cliff_infographic/1358357370309.jpg.CROP.article568-large.jpg

they cover practically everything now, some stuff better than others.

as with all the big business journals, there are a number of leaks, but usually the bigger question is who does this leak benefit and why

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

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"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

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it's doing something arduous and
creating something of value and then
being able to reflect on the fruits of your labor

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and yes I realise you're creating a distinction between it and the NYT but (UK) would have sufficed.

didn't want someone calling me out later on for not differentiating from the czechoslovakian times or something.


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Which kinda saddens me, because I've always had a natural affinity for things with centuries of history behind them.

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with a touch ugh!

"Holier than thou never sits well with me."(c)janey

"OKP spends way too much time looking for ways to be offended." ~legsdiamond


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www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

they have several regional editions (so sometimes the covers are different)

- weekly rag
also online.

i personally find it very informative and in-depth - some pieces might be way too indepth
their africa coverage tends to be iffy - really depends on their correspondent - i think its a lot better now than it was a few years ago. so i mainly take that with a grain of salt.

but if you want a magazine to read cover to cover during the week
i'd recommend this

(oh there's the online edition too, im subscribe to the physical mag)

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Probably only flaw is sometimes their economics can go a little to the right (and they can be on the low quite entertainingly snarky), but considering their audience im surprised how on the nose they are even with those issues.

something about reading the economist in printed form...the dear sirs and the charts really pop.

i really liked intelligent life before the luxury aspect became more of the focus and the 1843 rebrand...they were ahead of the game with the long form articles they were putting on the web a few years ago.

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Washington talk about.


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

worth reading here and there to know what the political establishment is thinking and feeling (or wants you to think and feel).

albeit, imo, shaded right.


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probably in '08 and stopped really fucking w/ them. they could have moved some since then.

the following is interesting:

https://www.quora.com/Is-Politico-biased-Republican-or-Democrat

according to that, which is more recent, they are closer to the middle and, more establishment-y than anything. which is consistent with what others are saying here.


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President Obama was still lacked legitimacy with much of the establishment in 2008

They've annoyed me with their election coverage this year.

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very rightwing. will make shit up. was an instrumental part of the shitstorm of slanted and inaccurate reporting that got shirley sherrod fired.

was founded by andrew breitbart who is now dead.

ONLY time they show any concern for justice is when it impacts them directly, like during the trump campaign when it's reporters were roughed up by trump's goons and goon aspirers. but the reporter in question quit and the company itself didn't go to bat for her.

do not link me to anything from them. i will not read it, nor will i give those festering assholes a percentage of a penny from a click. and if you cite it, unironically (ie, to make a pro bernie point), i will think exponentially less of you as a person.




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Because even with Drudge's slant at least they periodically break a legit news story.

Every one involved in Breibart is a despicable human being.

because at least you can use shit to fertilize plants.

Makes Foxnews = Nytimes

fuck Andrew Breitbart

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The sports coverage is presumably good, but I wouldn't know, because I'm a communist.

I have high hopes for "data journalism", but they haven't found the method yet. I think if they were staffed by 25 clones of Nate Silver, they'd be better.

and used to check them out before the nyt buyout / collab.

they sports ish is pretty dope. that was the origin of it all (analytics, etc).

i love the idea of 538 even when i don't love the product, but i typically dig anything they do.


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It's like academic reporting.

I understand it's a niche... they cater to readers who actually care about the methodology behind the analyses used to draw their conclusions and whatnot. They take the time to layout any assumptions they made before hand, comment on data quality, and sometimes even provide links to data they used if publicly accessible, etc.

But I love the inherent transparency and accountabilty in the approach.

I wish they, or another news organization, could expand this approach to other topic areas like world affairs, business, environment etc.

For example, instead of just reporting the magnitude and death toll about some horrific earthquake in Asia, it would be kind of interesting to have the scientific context about why there, why then, and perhaps some modeling of the ongoing risk and impacts for the region.

Some of their articles read like ">insert topic< for Dummies," which is helpful for me with issues I'm not familiar with. It can be a useful place to start if you're going to do further research on your own.

I'd say they lean left but not super-heavily.

it's definitely one of the sites i check for every day. i appreciate that they're so focused on trying to put news stories into context.

however, and i'm not sure why this is the case, my read is the staff is struggling to generate content and keep up with the 24 hour cycle. maybe it was a blip (today had a lot of interesting new things), but there were some weeks earlier this year when there was a lot of non-content filling the page. for example: when pokemon go dropped they dropped quite a few articles dropped that were the authors trying wedge old content or current story ideas into pokemon themes.

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i think publicly funded media is vitally important (see bbc)

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i myself would never want to be god,or even like god.Because god got all these human beings on this planet and i most certainly would not want to be responsible for them, or even have the disgrace that i made them.

Here in Chicago, the lineup is terrible imo. A lot of BBC streaming, random music shows focusing on music middle aged Pawpaws listen to, marquee shows don't really come on at good times.

Conversely, the DC station was freaking awesome. A lot of really, really great local programming, a wider variety in programming, showtimes that made sense. I miss it.

amy goodman an nem. produced by pacifica.org, which is a network of independent, listener funded radio stations (WBAI in NY, WPFW in DC, KPFK in cali).


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on of journalism's GOATs, and a true pioneer. juan gonzalez is great.

they also have a very global perspective and an incredibly diverse roster.

if you don't know about them, you really should listen to their daily news.


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http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2016/04/the-obama-doctrine/471525/

i usually love everything i read from The Atlantic. they are the exact type of place i'd love to write if i were still writing.

they provide substantiated opinion. always insightful.


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And somehow they found the most punchable motherfuckers possible to be their reporters.

And the show stays having long dramatic shots of him logging into Xanga or whatever. Fuck that dude.

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Gone: My Discogs collection for The Roots:
http://www.discogs.com/user/tomhayes-roots/collection

i check that regularly.

if someone sends me a link, i'll definitely read it.

don't consider it a news source though.

Vice itself is ok