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Boogie Stimuli
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"So I finally got around to watching Empire (for free99 of course)"


          

Man...
wtf

Ok, people told me I couldn't judge the show
until I watched it (I'd previously only read
a couple articles and seen a few scenes), and
now that I've watched it, I think even worse
of it than I did before lol.

Some of the stuff I expected. I was told that
the only decent character on the show was the
gay guy. That's pretty much true. EVERYBODY
on the show is a villian/victimizer. Wtf?
I can't think of a show I've ever seen like that.
An interesting tidbit here tho, is that Lee Daniels
is gay, so perhaps that's just him giving us
some insight into his moral superiority complex.
Maybe he feels like everybody around him is fucked
up, but he isn't (the scene where Jamal was thrown
in the garbage, allegedly happened to Daniels as well).
The only time Jamal did something crazy is when he was
being pressured by his pops. He's always the victim
from the beginning of the 1st season to the end of the 2nd.

The really crazy thing about the plot line
is that there's never a moment without a dramatic
occurrence (especially in the 2nd season, my god).
It's over-stimulation on the level of video games
to a 10 yr old. It got to a point where every.single.
scene found somebody losing it, somebody getting shot,
somebody just doing something super evil. It was just
plain cartoonish. Considering this, I see why alotta
people find the show addictive. Just like that 10 yr
old playing video games, after so much of that, you don't
wanna do anything else... don't wanna go outside,
don't wanna converse face to face, because nothing
can compete with that level of stimulation. I can see
fans of that show not wanting to watch anything else,
due to not having patience to wait on a story to build.
God forbid trying to read a book.

Beginning of season 2, we know Lucious is guilty as
shit, but they use Black activism to ride for him...
sending the message that niggas really be guilty.
Very irresponsible to use a protest of mass incarceration
of Black males to defend a character like Lucious.
I know they show is full of villains, but that shit
crossed over into real life, and I wasn't feeling that.
Don't touch current issues if that's how you're gonna
do it. But hey... white supremacist-approved TV.

The only lasting relationship on there is, of course,
the interracial one. I already know one of the rules
of white supremacist TV is to never show a lasting,
healthy Black relationship and all, but they were all
kinds of overboard with the kissing between these two.
They're married, so I expect affection, but in the
beginning of the first season it's like they were
kissing every time they were shown or she was kneeling
to go down on him. It just seemed excessive to the
point of being corny.

Speaking of that, the non-Black mates brought into
the show always got caught up in any evil due to
their involvement with a Black character. Wife hit
dude over the head and killed him for Dre (accident).
Lesbian chick took over the business for her Black gf.
Hakeem's lil mexican fiance was just this angelic girl who
ultimately refused to be involved with these Black
thugs.

Speaking of Hakeem, I couldn't take this nigga's
character serious worth a damn. His raps suck,
and he's not a good actor. He didn't have the
screen presence for me to believe that the characters
in the show even took him seriously as the CEO of
the company. That shit was some of the most
unbelievable TV I've ever seen.

The 2 things I actually liked about the show:
The music.
Season 2 they finally show some background on Lucious
and how he came to be the straight up monster he is.

Overall tho? Shit just look like more propaganda
to me on many levels.






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I never peeped how Jamal is always the victim
Jul 07th 2016
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After so long, I started trying to find the non-victimizers on the show.
Jul 07th 2016
2
You just saved me a few GB of hard drive space...thanks fam.
Jul 07th 2016
3
I do it for the people, mayne. n/m
Jul 07th 2016
4
This is my main issue with the show
Jul 07th 2016
5
I'm sincerely glad I wasn't the only one who noticed.
Jul 07th 2016
6
as a fan of the show i disagree about it being too much drama for a labe...
Jul 07th 2016
7
wait, there is a season 2? (in my mind it NEVER happened)
Jul 07th 2016
8
lol... I don't blame you at all.
Jul 07th 2016
9
its a tyler perry/trapped in the closet soap opera that runs 24 hrs long
Jul 07th 2016
10
Word. Just nonstop
Jul 07th 2016
11
nobody ever said it was good. just incredibly entertaining.
Jul 07th 2016
12
Nah, plenty ppl actually told me it was good...
Jul 07th 2016
13
Lol! Are you for real? People were acting like it was the best show on t...
Jul 08th 2016
15
      if you really thought it was going to be that good its your own damn fau...
Jul 08th 2016
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      I'm not sure I want the answer, but I'll ask anyway...
Jul 08th 2016
20
           1) its FOX
Jul 09th 2016
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                Ok, I was just hoping you wouldn't say because it's a Black show.
Jul 09th 2016
22
      it's the best at jampacking entertainment and fuckery into an hour
Jul 08th 2016
18
the worst part of the show was Hakeem.
Jul 08th 2016
14
So true. I was just counting the ways I disliked this dude lol.
Jul 08th 2016
17
      tell me abt it. #same
Jul 08th 2016
19
Best song on the show btw...
Jul 09th 2016
23

legsdiamond
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1. "I never peeped how Jamal is always the victim"
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but besides that I don't dig too deep. It's just a black hip hop soap opera IMO with decent jokes and one liners.

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Boogie Stimuli
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Thu Jul-07-16 12:17 PM

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2. "After so long, I started trying to find the non-victimizers on the show."
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He's really the only one of the main characters.

And yeah, it's most definitely a soap opera.

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FLUIDJ
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Thu Jul-07-16 12:18 PM

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3. "You just saved me a few GB of hard drive space...thanks fam."
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Thu Jul-07-16 12:18 PM by FLUIDJ

  

          

"Get ready....for your blessing....."

  

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Boogie Stimuli
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Thu Jul-07-16 12:26 PM

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4. "I do it for the people, mayne. n/m"
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Selassie I God
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Thu Jul-07-16 12:39 PM

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5. "This is my main issue with the show"
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Thu Jul-07-16 12:52 PM by Selassie I God

  

          


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>The really crazy thing about the plot line
>is that there's never a moment without a dramatic
>occurrence (especially in the 2nd season, my god).
>It's over-stimulation on the level of video games
>to a 10 yr old. It got to a point where every.single.
>scene found somebody losing it, somebody getting shot,
>somebody just doing something super evil. It was just
>plain cartoonish. Considering this, I see why alotta
>people find the show addictive. Just like that 10 yr
>old playing video games, after so much of that, you don't
>wanna do anything else... don't wanna go outside,
>don't wanna converse face to face, because nothing
>can compete with that level of stimulation. I can see
>fans of that show not wanting to watch anything else,
>due to not having patience to wait on a story to build.
>God forbid trying to read a book.
>

My sister made me start watching it (something for us to *bond* over...and I told her the same thing. So much dramatic crap happens in one episode...if there was some sort of story development, one episode could easily last three shows worth, but I guess catering to the miniscule attention spans of the masses makes the writers go in this direction. It just makes me shake my head at it for the most part...well, that and the fact that no one music label/family has endured that much BS in that short of a time...every show is 5-6 earth-moving dilemmas back to back. People would have been killed or the entity would have been disintegrated way before it got to where it is now. having worked in the music industry for a long time, the shit just isn't realistic on any level IMO.

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Boogie Stimuli
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6. "I'm sincerely glad I wasn't the only one who noticed."
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>My sister made me start watching it (something for us to
>*bond* over...and I told her the same thing. So much dramatic
>crap happens in one episode...if there was some sort of story
>development, one episode could easily last three shows worth,
>but I guess catering to the miniscule attention spans of the
>masses makes the writers go in this direction.



That's the weird thing tho. I've taken the
time to catch up on a few shows lately, and
this one is very unique in that respect.
When I consider that it's a "black" show
on the FOX network, I can't help thinking
it's all part of some condescending program.
Like Hillary Clinton doing the Nae Nae around
Black folks... or a substitute teacher doing
the same. They don't do this shit with white
folks. They feel like Black people have to
be babied.



It just makes
>me shake my head at it for the most part...well, that and the
>fact that no one music label/family has endured that much BS
>in that short of a time...every show is 5-6 earth-moving
>dilemmas back to back. People would have been killed or the
>entity would have been disintegrated way before it got to
>where it is now. having worked in the music industry for a
>long time, the shit just isn't realistic on any level IMO.


Man.. real shit. Label woulda been defunct
like a mf. Watching stuff like that is supposed
to be an escape from our own daily reality, but
they create a world that's too stupid to visit.




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legsdiamond
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7. "as a fan of the show i disagree about it being too much drama for a labe..."
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its basically bad boy records behind the scenes...

sure the shit is over the top but think about Bad Boys run and some of the stories we heard. I know it didnt last forever but they had a good 5 to 10 year run.

plenty of unrealistic shit happened with Puffy and them.




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8. "wait, there is a season 2? (in my mind it NEVER happened)"
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Boogie Stimuli
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9. "lol... I don't blame you at all."
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I only watched it to see what the masses
of negroes are gobbling up.
S2 is just S1 on steroids.

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10. "its a tyler perry/trapped in the closet soap opera that runs 24 hrs long"
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so for all the over the top ridiculousness they brought in just by episode 4


they gotta get even more over the top by episode 10


and by season 2 episode 18, fugedabout it
i didnt even see anybody hype abt the songs in season 2



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Boogie Stimuli
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11. "Word. Just nonstop "
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>so for all the over the top ridiculousness they brought in
>just by episode 4
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>they gotta get even more over the top by episode 10
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>and by season 2 episode 18, fugedabout it
>i didnt even see anybody hype abt the songs in season 2


I liked the Boom Boom Boom Boom joint and one
Jussie was singing called When Love Finds You...
I think that was from the 2nd season if I'm
remembering correctly.

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12. "nobody ever said it was good. just incredibly entertaining."
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<--- Big Baller World Order

  

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Boogie Stimuli
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13. "Nah, plenty ppl actually told me it was good..."
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and that I should watch it.

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15. "Lol! Are you for real? People were acting like it was the best show on t..."
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16. "if you really thought it was going to be that good its your own damn fau..."
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no way in hell you actually expected a well written, deep, engaging show.

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Boogie Stimuli
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20. "I'm not sure I want the answer, but I'll ask anyway..."
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Fri Jul-08-16 08:46 PM by Boogie Stimuli

          

Why shouldn't someone expect a "well written,
deep, engaging show"?

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21. "1) its FOX"
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2) its a show about a record label on FOX

3) its a prime time TV show on FOX

Its television, why the hell woukd you expect well written?

I know its okp but cmon... you guys are too smart to play dumb and expect excellence from a TV show on Fox.

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Boogie Stimuli
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22. "Ok, I was just hoping you wouldn't say because it's a Black show."
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Although I knew going in not to expect
much from a Black show not only on Fox
but brought to us by the same guy who
did Precious and Monster's Ball.

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18. "it's the best at jampacking entertainment and fuckery into an hour"
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i look forward to that hour of TV more than anything else except Thrones and HTGAWM. cause i know im about to get an onslaught of fuckery.

i mean you got shit like Luscious cutting a CD quality, radio hit, in 1 take, in a fucking prison closet, w/ motherfuckers making a beat on the fly lol. played ultra straight too. it's hilarious.

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14. "the worst part of the show was Hakeem."
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From his acting skills, to his bratty character, I just never saw it for him.





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Boogie Stimuli
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17. "So true. I was just counting the ways I disliked this dude lol."
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Didn't like his character, didn't like
him as an actor, didn't like his rapping,
didn't like his lack of presence, didn't
like the way he carried himself, didn't
like his lack of enunciation... man.

I guess he's eye candy for the women or
something... yet even when he was with
Naomi Campbell, I was like no way THAT
woman is gonna be with THAT guy. Just
couldn't buy one thing about his character.

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19. "tell me abt it. #same "
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I remember the one episode where he jumped on the table as new C.E.O., or whatever, I was like Boy, sat down, have several seats.

What board is going to let anyone stand, and walk, on a meeting table? Miss me with that.





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23. "Best song on the show btw..."
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LHVGfpt5jrs

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