Aspiring as in currently certified for high school basketball after passing written and floor test and 2 year probationary period...will begin high school games this season.

Lofty goal - College division 1 referee in 6 years.

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

I could watch a block/charge with 10 other refs on replay and you would get it split down the middle. Usually the offensive player gets the benefit of the doubt tho. But its a very difficult call to make in real time.

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

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full explanation - There's no such foul called over the back. There is only a foul for pushing/holding. There was no contact so there can't be a foul.

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

and don't confuse me lol

Well, i love watching youth sports. if i was just driving a saw a game in the park, i'd stop and watch, basketball, football or baseball. Plus i'm always looking for a side hustle...so I always talked about wanting to be a ref, but there wasn't alot of info online about it. I coulda just asked one of the refs i saw, but never did.

Coincidentally, when we bought our hours our sales agent was a ref and he was part of a really good organization. That was about 3 years ago. Took the class they offered and been doing it ever since.

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

good luck 😀

Are you gonna be quick with the whistle when someone does the Rasheed Wallace reaction?

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But if i'm ignoring your slick comments, I'm ignoring everything you got to say. Don't ask for an explanation or try to discuss anything bc you are done.

I will be quick with the techs if you are trying to show me up. If i'm running pass you and you say 'that's bullshit' under your breath or whatever, i don't care. If you say something loudly for your players or spectators to hear..you getting t'd up.

No tolerance at all for players though, any cursing or anything demonstrative they get t'd up. Those are the official rules. The adult leagues are more lax.

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

Gotta do hella ref camps and network a lot to get to any collegiate level.

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connections though. They said if i'm in it for real and am good enough, they'll be able to get me through.

Long way off from there though.

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

You can take the written exam without a class, but i wouldn't recommend it. Its pretty tough and you have to get 43 out of 50 correct to pass. You have to know alot of technical crap like legal uniforms and court dimensions crap as well as rules that are different from nba or street ball obviously lol. So half of it is trying to erase all the stuff you 'think' you know already.

Floor test is easy, its just basically showing you know the general principles of reffing but you have to go through a 2 year probation period after while you actually learn how to ref. I don't think anyone has actually failed the 1st floor exam

Before you get put on to high school games you get observed once more by the league assignor to make sure you know what you are doing.

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

Niggas at the rec wanna know.

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street ball----hell nahs lol

Hear people complaining about that all the time.

illegal in the nba though

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

good to know

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not sure about college.

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

to get to their cars after hardcore rivalry games.....hope you keep tha roscoe on ya..nah....good deal man...now i know who to come to when i see a questionable call

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I only do legit organizations so if they in the park, they got permits and there is a police presence. I should be aight as long as none of the cops kids are playing lol

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

I have heard varying explanations and can find no rule that actually indicates this. When, if ever, is contact with the hand on a shot attempt acceptable in the event of a blocked shot?

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ART. 2 . . . It is legal use of hands to reach to block or slap the ball controlled by a dribbler or a
player throwing for goal or a player holding it and accidentally hitting the hand of the opponent
when it is in contact with the ball.



Definitely a rule that needs to be reworded. How do you judge whether it is accidental vs. intentional? Just bc its accidental its ok to whack a dude on the hand bc he's still touching the ball?? lol

The way i interpret this is (and this is by no means universal) whether the defender got more hand or ball. Also, did the defender hit the ball and then the hand as the ball came loose, or hit the hand and then the ball? So for me, if the contact to the hand is incidental, I'll let it go, if its the reason the ball handler or shooter lost the ball, i'm calling a foul. You can't have a game with dudes just going around chopping at dudes hands lol

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

especially since the rule includes dribbling. I mean naturally my hand is likely to be making contact with the ball, if the guy slaps down and knocks the ball away, hammering my hand in the process, clearly that is a foul. on a shot attempt hitting a hand/arm/wrist/elbow on the follow through is always a foul too, but not if the ball is still there? the rule only really makes clear sense as written for a dunk attempt it seems, where my hand is going to guide the ball through the rim.

in hockey tripping is sort of similarly ambiguous, i'd have to read the actual rule but the way it's called is that if i go for a stick check or poke check and make contact with the puck first and then you trip over my stick, that's not a penalty. if i miss the puck and trip you, that's two minutes.

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sounds like a basketball kickball. A kickball is only a violation if its intentional. I was reffing lil kids and we get like 5 kickballs a half. lol some of them aren't intentional i'm sure, but kids going for a loose ball an uncoordinated johnny comes along a kicks ball by accident as the other team about to pick it up, i'm calling a kick ball lol

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

I played years of organized basketball (NJB, Jr High, HS, IMs) and was never called for a foul when raising my forearm to deny a guy trying to come through or establish position. I don't mean hitting him in the face with a shiver or something, I mean raising it about chest level. Similarly, any time a ball handler had his back turned to me, I would gain leverage with my forearm to keep him from gaining better position or getting momentum to make a move. I remember one day playing a fraternity pickup game and I did this to the guy I was guarding, a real skinny kid who had a couple inches on me. He insisted that you can only put your forearm on a guy's back for leverage if he is in the key. I know that is wrong, but are there any such restrictions in terms of space or situation? I hope this question is clear enough to understand.

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ART. 7 . . . It is not legal to use the hand and/or forearm to prevent an opponent from attacking the
ball during a dribble or when throwing for goal.

Generally speaking if you place a forearm on a non-post ball handler for a second and then remove it a foul won't be called(although techinically its still a foul). However if you keep it there for more than a moment (riding him) even if you aren't pushing with the forearm its a foul. If you put the forearm on, remove it, then place it again during the same dribble, its a foul. Similarly, you can place 1 hand on a ball handler (not pushing) for a moment and then remove it. Riding him, or keeping the arm there, using 2 hands at any point, or placing, removing, then placing the hand again during the same dribble will also constitute a foul.

In the post, you can use the arm bar/forearm or one hand with a bended arm in the back of the post player to attempt to hold your position but if you push, use 2 hands, straighten the arm or use a leg to assist its a foul.

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

i assume the post is defined as the painted area of the lane and the immediate area outside it. but what if he is on the baseline, for example, maybe ten feet from the rim and he turns and tries to back me down? or in the high post, sometimes a guy will receive the ball and turn to back down, either trying to spin off and drive or get a better angle to make a pass (think mark jackson). it seems like it should be legal to use your forearm as a defender in that situation because the whole premise is that he is putting his weight into you and you can use use for resistance/leverage.

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by rule that's the only area the forearm is legal. The proper way to defend that Mark Jackson back down by rule is to stand your ground. 1 of 2 things are going to happen. 1) he is going to forcefully try to back you down, you stand your ground and absorb enough contact to send you to the ground for a charge or if he's not backing you down forcefully enough it leads us to 2) where he's likely you gonna be dribbling for a long time...where he can get called for 5 second violation, assuming you are closely guarding him.

^^^This is by the strictest interpretation of the rule. I'm sure most refs will give a defender some leeway with the forearm if a dude is backing him down from halfcourt to the key lol.

The worst game for a player to play, is when the ref is being observed by a mentor/assignor. They have to call the game by the book down to the smallest detail. It usually winds up disrupting the flow of the game. Certain assignors want you to do it by the book, no exceptions, others leave room for nuance based on game situation and flow. But if a guy is dribbling 20 feet away and the defender has a forearm in their back, an assignor is gonna mark down that you missed an easy foul call.

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

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-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

I'll hit you with them straight from the HS rule book. They are both in there.

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

They don't offer training, it's usually just me and some other teacher/school personel with limited experience.

What can I do to become a little better at officiating hoop? I do flag football too, but hoop is more difficult for me.

Also, what are the calls to focus on to prepare these kids for Hs?

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IAABO - International Association of Approved Basketball Officials, Inc.

All officials that work high school games are assigned by and affiliated with IAABO. Some IAABO boards put an emphasis on ref training and development, others don't. At the very least, they should be able to point you in the direction of where in you area you can go to improve and prepare for certification (if that is your goal)

I would try to get in touch with the IAABO Board in your community (http://www.iaabo.org/board_links.html) although i don't think that link has an exhaustive list bc my board isn't on there. If you can't find the IAABO board on your own, you could always go to high school game and ask one of the referees for the info.

As far as helping the kids to prepare from a ref standpoint, assuming these kids are around 11-13...is helping them to understand illegal vs legal contact and illegal dribble (crossover vs. carry lol) Other than, if you just call the game according to the rules, they'll learn to adjust. If they keep getting called for the same type of infraction, they'll learn that its illegal. Any time a kid has in interest in understanding what he's doing wrong, explain it to him. Its actually on the coaches to work with the players and developing them for the next level but the refs assist just by enforcing the rules accurately and fairly.

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

Thanks. I'm not really interested in being certified, I just want to be a better official for these kids.

I will look into the rules more and go from there.

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or even older free versions on line if you can find them

http://www.nfhs.org/ebooks/

rules book, case book, officials manual.

But like anything else, you're only gonna be as good as what you put in. Another suggestion would be if you could find a certified ref that was willing to observe you and give you some pointers. I'd be willing to do it if you were in the ny area.

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

Cool, thanks man. I will look into these books.

Know of any good video resources online?

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i'm sure there's something on youtube but nothing that i've used personally.

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

cause to my eyes that's either a no call or an offensive foul.

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I couldn't find a more ridiculous or blatant one, but i didn't look that hard lol.

In the above its a foul. The defender is only entitled to vertical space and/or any spot on the court that he beats the offense to. The only space his arms are entitled to is vertically. If his arms are forward or out to the side and contacts the offensive players body a foul can be called if the contact is severe enough.

Now whether that is a shooting foul or not, at the high school level the offense has to be in the act of attempting a legitimate shot. HS hasn't caught up to the nba yet as far as players moving to the side to attempt to draw a shooting foul lol....give it a couple of years tho.

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

thanks for the explanation. i may have more questions after work.

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...do refs put their hand on that back of their heads anymore?

They was the signal when I was in HS.

Now they just point the other direction--a cue from the NBA maybe?

Just curious and never thought to ask.

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i hate it...it looks so goofy lol

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

i know NBA does 3 and i think NCAA does 3. i think HS might do 2 just because of the sheer numbers?

how much different is calling a game with 2 vs 3.

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in ny use 2 man. The top division of high school uses 3.

There is way too much to watch in 2 man to really be on top of everything. 3 man is easier bc a refs area of responsibility is smaller and there are usually 2 sets of eyes on the ball at all times. With one set of eyes on a play its very easy to have your vision blocked by a player coming in your line of vision.

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

team x on defense regains ball from team y (offense) as shot clock expires. team x now has a fast break opportunity, but instead the clock is stopped and team x now has to inbound the ball back into play, thus..

1. giving team y a chance to regroup defense
2. inadvertently robs team x of that fast break opportunity,
3. disrupts the flow of the game
4. essentially "unrewards" team x for playing good defense

basically, u hold a team from scoring for 24 seconds but ur denied an easy bucket cus shot clock expired?? FOH!

Them keep it. Worst I see is an air ball as the clock expires, defense grabs the rebound but the play is blown dead

I guess the thought process is that the defense might get possession and then lose it somehow immeadiately. But with do many teams playing uptempo offenses I wouldn't be suprised to see that adjusted in the nba soon

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like a phrase that you thought to yourself "damn, that was vicious.."

and haven't heard anything that stood out too badly and the kids get techs for taunting so they know better.

The trash talk is mostly directed at us lol, but they go in one ear and out the other..can't focus on that but i def know i've heard some stuff that's even made me laugh (directed at me) from fans. Can't remember it though.

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.