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"The Night Of"
Fri Jul-01-16 07:30 AM by legsdiamond

          

http://www.hbo.com/the-night-of

The first Episode of this series is now available and this shit is great.

Could you imagine waking up after a 1 night stand and the person is dead and you don't remember a thing?

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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Good looking.
Jul 01st 2016
1
I watched a day after watching Edelman's O.J. 30430
Jul 01st 2016
2
I had my head in my hands for most of it.
Jul 04th 2016
3
it was great...loved how the framed the story...
Jul 04th 2016
4
I'm definitely gonna watch this. The ads got me. Looks real good.
Jul 04th 2016
5
Ehhhh... the premise isn't believable to me
Jul 04th 2016
6
glad to know you won't be watching
Jul 05th 2016
7
LOL
Jul 05th 2016
8
lol
Jul 05th 2016
12
BLOCKKA!!!
Jul 05th 2016
13
lol!
Jul 12th 2016
18
      these niggas man... watch shows just to find reasons not to watch
Jul 12th 2016
21
           hahaha
Jul 12th 2016
26
Ehh after watching, Hitokiri right
Jul 12th 2016
23
      thank goodness, thats 2 down
Jul 12th 2016
24
      i'm'a keep watchin tho legs
Jul 13th 2016
41
           watching for all the wrong reasons ^^^
Jul 13th 2016
44
      i thought the lady cop was awesome
Jul 14th 2016
58
           Me too. What's she from ?
Jul 14th 2016
59
                same here
Jul 14th 2016
61
                Homeland
Jul 15th 2016
86
                afton williamson??? i remember her an svu episode lol
Aug 01st 2016
185
                Banshee
Aug 07th 2016
224
**spoilers**
Jul 05th 2016
9
RE: **spoilers**
Jul 05th 2016
10
Right and then Bodie said "yea I was alone"
Jul 05th 2016
16
      Bodie said he was alone because its part of the code of the streets
Jul 12th 2016
20
           OK - so you mean that he was just trying to keep his friend ...
Jul 12th 2016
28
                how yall calling him Bodie but expect him to answer like he is Theopholu...
Jul 12th 2016
29
My girlfriend said the neighbor
Jul 12th 2016
27
my wife kept wondering how she had a place that nice
Jul 12th 2016
30
      True
Jul 12th 2016
34
           yep, I think Bodie saying he was alone will come back
Jul 12th 2016
36
Other suspects
Jul 12th 2016
35
the last one makes the most sense
Jul 13th 2016
45
I'm leaning toward option #4 mainly because
Jul 13th 2016
49
      damn, I missed that line...
Jul 13th 2016
55
The entire time I thought she somehow did it herself.
Jul 14th 2016
60
First ep was intense.
Jul 05th 2016
11
pretty sure Nas coulda walked out of the station.
Jul 05th 2016
14
      He got so close.
Jul 05th 2016
15
very good so far.
Jul 11th 2016
17
Nah, everyone person was mean to Naz until Tuturro shows up
Jul 12th 2016
19
Yeah I didn't get that at all. I thought the female cop was fair.
Jul 12th 2016
22
every character black/white/indian/etc was an asshole tho
Jul 12th 2016
25
naww she was being a straight up dick
Jul 12th 2016
31
      For realzies?
Jul 12th 2016
32
      you're taking a very odd angle here.
Jul 12th 2016
33
      RE: you're taking a very odd angle here.
Jul 12th 2016
37
           the cop didn't slam him on the car...lol
Jul 12th 2016
39
           Not to pile on but I was generally pleased that there were so many black
Jul 13th 2016
46
                i could see if it was ONLY the black characters being shitty
Jul 13th 2016
48
      nah.. you are in your feelings
Jul 12th 2016
38
      i thought the female cop was pretty nice the whole time
Jul 14th 2016
72
           i dont know if nice is the right word. She wasnt an asshole or negative ...
Jul 15th 2016
81
      Her behavior actually makes sense when you remember that she was
Aug 08th 2016
234
I'm 3 episodes in and loving it. But I call BS on that kind of
Aug 08th 2016
233
      is it phobia or just good ole fashion shit talking?
Aug 08th 2016
242
good first ep
Jul 12th 2016
40
um Turturro is gonna murder this shit
Jul 13th 2016
42
Good observation about the knife
Jul 13th 2016
43
Yup.
Jul 13th 2016
47
yep...didn't wanna bring it up since people hadn't mentioned it...
Jul 13th 2016
51
      yeah medical examiner was still trying to determine the serrated part
Jul 13th 2016
57
           there was a ton of blood on her hand
Jul 14th 2016
62
                maybe. It also could be his blood from his own wound
Jul 14th 2016
69
in the middle about it now...
Jul 13th 2016
50
Yeah, I can't say if he did anything stupid because who knows what
Jul 13th 2016
52
And it's the age too. He's like what? 20-21?
Jul 13th 2016
53
      yup, not sure why people say its unbelievable
Jul 13th 2016
54
RE: in the middle about it now...
Jul 13th 2016
56
      I wake up next to a jump off stabbed like that...
Jul 14th 2016
63
      exactly what would have been the likelhood of them finding him....
Jul 14th 2016
64
      BUT...
Jul 14th 2016
65
      RE: BUT...
Jul 14th 2016
74
           RE: BUT...
Jul 14th 2016
75
      well, the whole point of the show IMO is to try and prove
Jul 14th 2016
67
      ^^Clearly Not in the Patrice O'Neil Camp of dead white women
Jul 14th 2016
71
the only part that i didn't find believable
Jul 14th 2016
66
the killer is the neighbor in the robe mark my words
Jul 14th 2016
68
lmao... i doubt it
Jul 14th 2016
70
nah, maybe he knows who did it though
Jul 14th 2016
73
Y'all thinking real simple-like....
Jul 14th 2016
76
      this part i agree with:
Jul 15th 2016
77
      Law and Order got people all fucked up
Jul 15th 2016
79
the killer is probably ....
Jul 15th 2016
78
that makes no damn sense... cmon
Jul 15th 2016
83
When does ep. 2 drop?
Jul 15th 2016
80
this sunday. we forgot it was a sneak preview and tuned in last Sunday
Jul 15th 2016
82
smh... why IMDB do my nubian homie like this?
Jul 15th 2016
84
Is that from Oz? Did get raped in Oz?
Jul 15th 2016
85
      sure looks uncomfortable
Jul 15th 2016
87
      man, that shit is fucked up
Jul 15th 2016
88
      he still had his dreads when he was on Oz
Jul 21st 2016
123
Bump for Ep. 2
Jul 18th 2016
89
even though there wasn't a lot of movement i still loved it.
Jul 18th 2016
90
John T. and this case is like JD & Janet.
Jul 18th 2016
91
Yooo, I hate to be petty but I'll stop watching for this reason
Jul 19th 2016
93
I feel like this is the calm before the storm
Jul 18th 2016
92
Man this might be too much of a procedural.
Jul 19th 2016
94
the other inmates reaction to Naz's charges .... LMAO
Jul 19th 2016
95
I wonder if the charges have an impact on his treatment in jail
Jul 19th 2016
96
I would think they would
Jul 19th 2016
112
I can't believe that Box gave him the inhaler from the crime scene.
Jul 19th 2016
97
curious to hear why you don't think its exculpatory
Jul 19th 2016
113
      IMO and assuming it's the same inhaler from the crime scene
Jul 20th 2016
121
           ^^^^, I don't see how it at all shows it was consensual.
Jul 25th 2016
128
Lawyer said it first.
Jul 19th 2016
98
Talented Oppressor was my shit.
Jul 19th 2016
101
EXCELLENT CATCH!!!!
Jul 19th 2016
100
that shows he left his inhaler at the crime scene. nothing more.
Jul 19th 2016
102
      I don't know how it'll play into the rest of the story...
Jul 19th 2016
103
      I have to rewatch
Jul 19th 2016
104
      we already knew that before he gave it to him
Jul 19th 2016
105
           right, my point is that how does Naz's inhaler being on the bed...
Jul 19th 2016
106
                lol my bad...i misread your reply...lol carry on
Jul 19th 2016
107
                it shows that the sex was consensual
Jul 19th 2016
109
                     it doesn't show the sex was consensual at all.
Jul 19th 2016
114
                     Nah
Jul 19th 2016
115
                          or he could have used it after she died...
Jul 21st 2016
122
so the inhaler was odd
Jul 19th 2016
110
      yeah I just saw on Reddit that inhalers are prescription. Didn't know th...
Jul 19th 2016
111
      i don't think they were trying to prove anything....
Jul 21st 2016
124
that whole intake process was some real shit...and they aint even
Jul 19th 2016
99
And like all good cops, he does you over just inside the rules.
Jul 19th 2016
108
YAWN, might bail
Jul 19th 2016
116
Cant wait!! - Bart Scott (c)
Jul 20th 2016
117
* chucks the deuce at you *
Jul 20th 2016
118
http://img.pandawhale.com/post-43162-shhh-just-go-gif-Imgur-Jim-Car-IupB...
Jul 20th 2016
119
      Lofl. This why I fux with you legs.
Jul 20th 2016
120
Every scene that Naz was "alone" in the prison...
Jul 25th 2016
125
bruh, I would take hoe baths by the water fountain
Jul 25th 2016
126
i forget who said, but the one thing they are getting right...
Jul 25th 2016
127
I didn't see how Bum Feet dude was going to keep that client.
Jul 25th 2016
129
i feel conflicted cause she's clearly the better option...
Jul 26th 2016
138
      I doubt he's gone.
Jul 26th 2016
143
i didn't make the connection as to why they eyed each other
Jul 25th 2016
130
probably both but mostly the rape
Jul 26th 2016
139
nice touch with the Newport pack in Omar's cell!
Jul 25th 2016
131
The feet are gonna get the charges overturned.
Jul 25th 2016
133
Agreed, the dermatologist...and an entire support group.
Jul 26th 2016
134
RE: nice touch with the Newport pack in Omar's cell!
Jul 26th 2016
140
Watched again. You can tell this show was written pre-Trump
Jul 25th 2016
132
pre-Trump?
Jul 26th 2016
135
pre-Trump Presidential Campaign All Muslim Ban blah blah etc.
Jul 26th 2016
137
It says Exec Produced by James Gandolfini
Jul 26th 2016
136
That was Stone spinning the sympathetic jurors
Jul 26th 2016
141
I get that but I don't even think anyone has used the word Terrorist yet...
Jul 27th 2016
144
My friend was on the show and it was filmed 3 to 4 years ago
Jul 26th 2016
142
      RE: My friend was on the show and it was filmed 3 to 4 years ago
Aug 28th 2016
510
Anyone else find the Mom kind of hot? Just me? That's cool.
Jul 27th 2016
145
Haha you're not alone. Been quietly thinking the same.
Jul 27th 2016
146
lol Word
Jul 27th 2016
147
      Turns out probably a lot of places...and she is unquestionably a hottie
Jul 27th 2016
148
           wow, they did an excellent job making her seem regular.
Aug 01st 2016
161
her name is Poorna...
Jul 28th 2016
149
thanks for this...just watched episode 1 last night bc of this post.
Jul 28th 2016
150
STONE AND KAPOOR DREAM TEAM COMING
Aug 01st 2016
151
Those gotfuckingdamn feet.
Aug 01st 2016
152
its like two subways sandwiches LOL
Aug 01st 2016
159
      That was a great line
Aug 04th 2016
208
I read Call of the Wild in school
Aug 01st 2016
153
Nas does look like he's prison cock diesel, lol
Aug 01st 2016
154
the squirter is about to get worked over
Aug 01st 2016
155
Dude with hot tea baby oil
Aug 01st 2016
157
i thought the pic was weird too
Aug 01st 2016
158
      Yup
Aug 01st 2016
162
      as soon as i saw the pic I knew dude was on some grimey shit
Aug 01st 2016
163
RE: Nas does look like he's prison cock diesel, lol
Aug 01st 2016
160
Yeah, I'm digging how Nas is having to come to terms with the violence.
Aug 01st 2016
156
you could tell that inmate was setting Naz up the whole time.
Aug 01st 2016
167
      i thought/think it's obvious Freddy set all that up w/dude
Aug 01st 2016
168
      my thought process too.
Aug 01st 2016
171
      so why would dude stop smiling immediately when Naz goes back
Aug 01st 2016
172
      idk yet...y did he burn Nas?..i do know he crazier than a shithouse rat
Aug 01st 2016
176
      i dunno. he didn't seem particularly shook to me. just stopped smiling.
Aug 01st 2016
177
      to throw off the audience.
Aug 01st 2016
178
      I didnt look at it like that
Aug 01st 2016
189
           nah, think of it this way
Aug 01st 2016
194
                pretty much...dudes advice been turrible.
Aug 01st 2016
195
                Seen
Aug 01st 2016
196
      RE: you could tell that inmate was setting Naz up the whole time.
Aug 28th 2016
511
am i the only one that thinks dude did it?
Aug 01st 2016
164
I wouldn't be surprised given how drugged up he was
Aug 01st 2016
165
naz pissed me (well alot of times) but especially bc he didn't
Aug 01st 2016
170
      pretty sure they took his blood on the first night...
Aug 01st 2016
173
      i don't recall his blood getting drawn i could be wrong.
Aug 01st 2016
179
      How would that help him at all though
Aug 01st 2016
190
           IF it was rohypnol specifically for example, it doesn't prove anything
Aug 01st 2016
191
RE: am i the only one that thinks dude did it?
Aug 01st 2016
181
tell that to the police.
Aug 01st 2016
182
That would be an interesting misdirection.
Aug 01st 2016
183
he's a good kid so i think he'd be f'd up if he knew he did it.
Aug 01st 2016
192
Oh I'm in this boat too
Aug 01st 2016
184
      I peeped that
Aug 04th 2016
209
The first possible lead other than Nas
Aug 01st 2016
166
oh yeah forgot about that angle...wasn't one the stepfather?
Aug 01st 2016
169
yeah i wonder who that second guy was...
Aug 01st 2016
174
wasn't it the Vinny from Doogie Howser character? the same
Aug 01st 2016
187
      nah, it wasn't Vinny at the funeral
Aug 01st 2016
201
      RE: wasn't it the Vinny from Doogie Howser character? the same
Aug 28th 2016
512
It was the brother that was walking with Boddie...
Aug 04th 2016
217
Ya'll....
Aug 01st 2016
175
ok legal: can a lawyer take a case pro bono and then try to charge
Aug 01st 2016
180
this case ain't free!!!!
Aug 01st 2016
186
Yeah man some unethical lawyers on this show
Aug 01st 2016
188
What would be the alternative be? Signing a contract guaranteeing free
Aug 01st 2016
198
      so taking a case pro bono means you run the show?
Aug 01st 2016
199
      Meh. She condemned the shit out of Stone for that same shit.
Aug 01st 2016
200
      right. she ain't even about justice, just the fame.
Aug 01st 2016
202
      until the case is over?
Aug 01st 2016
204
If there was any doubt before, i know for sure i ain't tryna spend 1 sec
Aug 01st 2016
193
It's crazy how familiar faces make you react.
Aug 01st 2016
197
when I realized it was sposed to be Gandolfini and Janice in the scene
Aug 01st 2016
205
      Janice was the worst
Aug 01st 2016
206
           Ahaha this always cracks me up.
Aug 01st 2016
207
                not part of the family family but ralph cifaretto might be
Aug 04th 2016
210
                Agreed entirely.
Aug 04th 2016
213
                Weirdly, here's an article about this exact subject...
Aug 04th 2016
216
                Tony was a POS
Aug 04th 2016
214
                     Dude what
Aug 04th 2016
215
why is stone still wearing those birkenstocks with the saran wrap?
Aug 01st 2016
203
I also thought once he started using the wrap
Aug 04th 2016
211
i've decided i'm not gonna spend any more time
Aug 04th 2016
212
      ^^^This
Aug 04th 2016
218
I get it now. The feet want their own spin-off.
Aug 07th 2016
219
Not so sure Nas is a good boy
Aug 07th 2016
220
Nas switched up quick as shit..
Aug 07th 2016
222
Yeah, he killed me with that 'investigation'
Aug 08th 2016
230
Why did Nas say there were 4?
Aug 07th 2016
221
unless Freddy had him say that to test the kid?
Aug 07th 2016
223
Yeah that confused me too
Aug 07th 2016
225
i believe Naz was covering for the kid.
Aug 08th 2016
227
It seemed like Freddy was only expecting 3 and the idea of 4 was
Aug 08th 2016
228
      damn.. i thought there were 4. why would Naz insist on 4 if it was 3?
Aug 08th 2016
229
           Naz is shady
Aug 08th 2016
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                maybe.. or he is surviving
Aug 08th 2016
232
                     Why would Naz say he swallowed 4? He isn't going to magically shit
Aug 08th 2016
248
                          i have no idea... I'm going to rewatch to see if I missed something
Aug 09th 2016
274
So what's Nas gonna do when no 4th pack is produced.
Aug 08th 2016
235
I thought I saw him (poorly) swallow 4.
Aug 08th 2016
236
      of course YOU saw him...
Aug 08th 2016
237
      right. when Stone said "if you get caught for this it's over..."
Aug 08th 2016
238
      i rewatched. It was 3. And they both saw him
Aug 08th 2016
239
           I didn't know if she saw him or just has big eyes...
Aug 08th 2016
240
           she's pretty fuck. she looks kinda like Rosario
Aug 08th 2016
246
           Nah, she saw him.
Aug 10th 2016
314
                The 3rd swallow she gave him the "REALLY MY DUDE?" eyes
Aug 10th 2016
316
           The chick hiding the drugs in her box ....
Aug 08th 2016
241
                my mother on law asked me if he had to swallow those? lmao...
Aug 08th 2016
243
                     no amount of grapes can prepare you for that
Aug 08th 2016
245
                          prolly while he was gagging...
Aug 08th 2016
247
for anyone who's experienced the justice system...this show is depressin...
Aug 08th 2016
226
man i fell asleep last night and woke up and birkenfeet was chasing
Aug 08th 2016
244
Maybe it's me but I saw from the outset that Bodie's homey was the one
Aug 09th 2016
249
nah, plenty of people said it was Bodi's boy
Aug 09th 2016
251
My guess: she was suicidal, got Nas high, asked him to kill her, which
Aug 09th 2016
252
my theory is she got Nas high, asked him to kill her... and he did
Aug 09th 2016
255
yeah, that was the too obvious can't be/better not be him angle.
Aug 09th 2016
254
Law and Order has better plot twist than this scenario
Aug 09th 2016
256
I don't think it'll be that cut and dry
Aug 09th 2016
263
#217... I think the same about the homeboy!
Aug 09th 2016
257
why did the photo of the countertop make you feel validated?
Aug 09th 2016
259
      it shows that someone could come in from the broken backdoor...
Aug 09th 2016
264
           I wouldn't be surprised if they never do establish who did it
Aug 09th 2016
266
           there's a camera in there
Aug 09th 2016
267
           Haha. That would kinda make weird sense
Aug 09th 2016
269
           yeah. i'm very curious as to how they'll resolve it.
Aug 09th 2016
272
                That's why I think it'll end with him copping to GTA
Aug 09th 2016
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                     the only angle about GTA that doesn't make sense would be that
Aug 09th 2016
279
                          and, the outcome of a GTA conviction...
Aug 09th 2016
286
                          And I wouldn't be surprised if he catches 15 years for it
Aug 09th 2016
299
                               this would be a cold twist
Aug 09th 2016
303
                          RE: the only angle about GTA that doesn't make sense would be that
Aug 10th 2016
319
           ahhhh, ok
Aug 10th 2016
312
so his homeboy...comes into a crib...and violently stabs up a
Aug 09th 2016
302
The part of the show that's fucking me up is how thoroughly black
Aug 09th 2016
250
bro same thing happened to me..i got a summons for running a
Aug 09th 2016
253
HBO and producers in talks for a second season
Aug 09th 2016
258
They should let these guys take over True Detective
Aug 09th 2016
260
curious of they end on a cliff hanger or move on to a new crime
Aug 09th 2016
261
      They got two Wire alums, that's like a semi-built in success rate
Aug 09th 2016
262
      2 scenarios for them to keep the same cast
Aug 09th 2016
265
           Said it above, no matter what, he gets found guilty of GTA
Aug 09th 2016
268
           damn... that could definitely happen
Aug 09th 2016
273
                I could see this happening:
Aug 09th 2016
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                Without knowing I would guess that's already commonly attempted.
Aug 09th 2016
285
           my 2 scenarios
Aug 09th 2016
270
                that's a good angle...damn.
Aug 09th 2016
277
For folks that have Hulu
Aug 09th 2016
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      wtf is in your DNA that makes yall do this?
Aug 09th 2016
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           lmao fam as soon as i saw spoiler i was like wtf.
Aug 09th 2016
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           RE: wtf is in your DNA that makes yall do this?
Aug 09th 2016
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           nigga you typed SPOILER BELOW... sityoassdown
Aug 09th 2016
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                on his bryson tiller ish spolier not spoiler.
Aug 09th 2016
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                     Is it good thing or a bad thing
Aug 09th 2016
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                          its a bad thing... a very bad thing...lol
Aug 09th 2016
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           LMAO are you serious right now?
Aug 10th 2016
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                I don't even know the direction
Aug 10th 2016
320
                     well i looked into the British series
Aug 10th 2016
323
                          yall read the last chapter first ass niggas can kiss my ass
Aug 15th 2016
352
                               Read the last chapter first?
Aug 16th 2016
362
                               lol what are you even talking about?
Aug 26th 2016
506
Naz thought Riker's was going to turn into grown-up Summer Camp...
Aug 09th 2016
271
how you punk someone by turning to ellen?
Aug 09th 2016
278
      I wanted to see Ellen shake her ass N E WAY
Aug 09th 2016
283
           lol exactly
Aug 09th 2016
294
my $$$ is on Nas's brother for the murder
Aug 09th 2016
289
How'd he get to the Upper West Side that late at night that fast with
Aug 09th 2016
291
      he's a shaman
Aug 09th 2016
293
      In NYC, there's more than a few ways TBH
Aug 09th 2016
296
The recap of ep 5 on TVline.com says 4 packets not 3
Aug 09th 2016
295
anyone notice the cat run behind his dad at the end of the first ep?
Aug 09th 2016
297
      I think the cat is supposed to represent death. Especially since it's
Aug 09th 2016
298
           thx.. i wonder if this means Naz is guilty and Stone gets murked
Aug 09th 2016
305
I am so infuriatingly confused about the 4 bag/3 bag situation.
Aug 09th 2016
300
ikr... im going to rewatch it when i get home.
Aug 09th 2016
306
      Already did that. Just made me more angry haha.
Aug 09th 2016
309
at what point do naz and the atty express their attraction for each
Aug 09th 2016
301
i don't see it
Aug 09th 2016
304
She can do infinitely better than Nas. Even before his current sitch,
Aug 09th 2016
307
      she likes the baaad boys...
Aug 09th 2016
308
      right bc women never go down 3 or 18 notches.
Aug 10th 2016
321
           Not in the way I mean, they don't. Nas is corny. She's fione. If she'...
Aug 10th 2016
324
                he just swallowed 4 packs that were in a womans vagina...
Aug 10th 2016
329
                     Exactly, he punking niggas to watch ellen
Aug 11th 2016
331
cmon fam she's Hindu
Aug 09th 2016
311
hindu huh?
Aug 22nd 2016
408
      Lolz xactly
Aug 22nd 2016
414
homie called to say goodnight....c'mon.
Aug 16th 2016
373
I counted 4 packs... but they only showed him swallow 3
Aug 09th 2016
310
Can you screenshot ?
Aug 10th 2016
313
I will try tonight. i dont have hbogo on my phone.
Aug 10th 2016
315
      Word. Honestly though the subtle presence...
Aug 10th 2016
317
           i'm just assuming we ain't supposed to know for sure.
Aug 10th 2016
322
from reddit...4 packs
Aug 10th 2016
325
      Ugh.
Aug 10th 2016
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      and if you print the image it is
Aug 10th 2016
327
           lol. #4 pointing at a black hole.
Aug 11th 2016
330
      thx.. i just wasted 15 minutes trying to screenshot this shit
Aug 10th 2016
328
I didn't see the MRA thing with the hearse driver coming.
Aug 14th 2016
332
lol dude was hardcore
Aug 14th 2016
333
either did I, but it was a dope scene
Aug 15th 2016
338
why are they going to talk to these 'suspects' one on one? Why
Aug 15th 2016
339
      prolly get better info when you pop up
Aug 15th 2016
341
It sucks dude is only a red herring.
Aug 16th 2016
361
Prediction: Freddy doesn't make it to the finale
Aug 14th 2016
334
RE: Prediction: Freddy doesn't make it to the finale
Aug 16th 2016
363
was that crack?
Aug 14th 2016
335
also that moment with Stone and his eczema group was excellent
Aug 14th 2016
336
i'll answer!
Aug 15th 2016
337
dope
Aug 15th 2016
340
Feet Don't Fail Me Now
Aug 15th 2016
342
ole girl wasnt impressed either.. lol
Aug 15th 2016
343
What was that stuff? It looked exactly like Kratom
Aug 15th 2016
346
the first really UNrealistic thing happened for me last night.
Aug 15th 2016
344
That was the 1st???
Aug 15th 2016
345
Its weird that Freddy ain't on him for that that or for shaving his head
Aug 15th 2016
347
      exactly. Freddy know appearances are everything.
Aug 15th 2016
348
      Naz' father showing up
Aug 16th 2016
353
      You said it.
Aug 16th 2016
354
      yup it def made the point...the big tip and him leaving was predictable
Aug 16th 2016
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      Agreed.
Aug 16th 2016
358
      RE: You said it.
Aug 16th 2016
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           Word - I get what you're saying.
Aug 16th 2016
364
      yo, I didn't even recognize him. Thx.
Aug 16th 2016
355
      yeah bruh, you the only person that didn't lolol
Aug 16th 2016
357
      lol, yeah.. when she gave him that look
Aug 16th 2016
365
           You aint the only one
Aug 16th 2016
367
      RE: yo, I didn't even recognize him. Thx.
Aug 16th 2016
359
      I didnt recognize him either
Aug 16th 2016
366
           i didn't either. i learned it was him this morning on a recap podcast.
Aug 16th 2016
368
                I also wondered if Nas was being smooth
Aug 16th 2016
369
                haha i ain't even think about htat.
Aug 16th 2016
372
                This is where I was with it
Aug 16th 2016
370
                damn.
Aug 16th 2016
371
                Damn I'm kinda surprised people didn't catch this
Aug 16th 2016
374
                     yeah me too...cats must be watching on 13 inch boxes.
Aug 16th 2016
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                          smh, I treated his pops like a typical delivery guy
Aug 17th 2016
383
      it's not too far fetched, as they could be in the same neighborhood
Aug 16th 2016
376
           And, you know, their son is in jail awaiting trial for murder.
Aug 16th 2016
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           RE: it's not too far fetched, as they could be in the same neighborhood
Aug 16th 2016
379
           Yea that's been a really interesting subplot to me.
Aug 16th 2016
380
           I bump into old friends all the time in NYC when I visit
Aug 16th 2016
381
      RE: Its weird that Freddy ain't on him for that that or for shaving his ...
Aug 16th 2016
378
gross
Aug 15th 2016
349
What does the mom say in the previews for next week?
Aug 15th 2016
350
The hearse driver said it best, Nas is easy to play with
Aug 15th 2016
351
Shygurl was right, the show has a black people problem.
Aug 17th 2016
382
the show has a people problem
Aug 17th 2016
384
LOL Hey!
Aug 17th 2016
385
I keep thinking "what if it was a black girl that got in the cab?"
Aug 17th 2016
386
ionno, he was real pressed to go to that party
Aug 17th 2016
388
      He was pressed to find a chick at the party.. so one in the cab...
Aug 18th 2016
391
Lady cop is sharp. Stone's ex and son seem cool
Aug 18th 2016
390
Prediction: Nas will be acquitted but will murder someone in jail and
Aug 17th 2016
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Sounds about right.
Aug 17th 2016
389
yup
Aug 18th 2016
392
So, uhh.. does that fall under attorney client privilege?
Aug 21st 2016
393
yeah that part was weird
Aug 21st 2016
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Didn't Stone soft hit on her and she aint turn away. She lonely
Aug 22nd 2016
398
she was 1 shot away from being sloppy as shit
Aug 22nd 2016
399
still weird cause it happened in jail with people around
Aug 22nd 2016
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hol up
Aug 22nd 2016
401
How many hits were there ?
Aug 22nd 2016
402
      I misread what he typed there.
Aug 22nd 2016
403
           Haha word.
Aug 22nd 2016
405
she's like alot of nerdy broads...no offense to nerdy broads
Aug 22nd 2016
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      someone called it a few weeks ago
Aug 22nd 2016
407
           That joint was predictable...she was looki g prime with those big eyes
Aug 22nd 2016
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                lmao
Aug 23rd 2016
422
                those eyes look like they make piano key sounds when she blinks
Aug 23rd 2016
455
this show has gotten very very bad
Aug 21st 2016
395
tonight's episode was a fucking masterpiece.
Aug 22nd 2016
396
My prayers were answered.
Aug 22nd 2016
397
Yea I agree with you.
Aug 22nd 2016
400
      They're going to pissed everybody off with a fukin cliffhanger
Aug 22nd 2016
409
      Dogggggggg I will lose my shit.
Aug 22nd 2016
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      ha, its happening
Aug 22nd 2016
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      Im fear they are gonna give Nas a solid ending but not say the killer
Aug 22nd 2016
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      i heard it's almost 2 hours long
Aug 22nd 2016
413
I thought naz was about to slice dude personally.
Aug 22nd 2016
416
Nas thinks he is so damn smooth now
Aug 22nd 2016
417
Lol he is.
Aug 22nd 2016
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maybe, but..
Aug 28th 2016
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glad i stayed with it. It's gotten much better
Aug 22nd 2016
418
Elaborate, if you would.
Aug 22nd 2016
419
the feet
Aug 23rd 2016
423
RE: sure
Aug 26th 2016
508
This show is like every immigrant parent's worst nightmare
Aug 23rd 2016
421
this atty needs to work on her game face
Aug 23rd 2016
424
she always looks surprised
Aug 23rd 2016
425
      Yea my wife turned to me and was like "was that good or bad" haha
Aug 23rd 2016
426
           right it seemed like a wash, but if its your witness a wash is an L
Aug 23rd 2016
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                Yea for sure.
Aug 23rd 2016
429
                     no you're right it makes perfect sense.
Aug 23rd 2016
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                          Yea exactly.
Aug 23rd 2016
434
                               one of the things i love and hate about this show is that they don't
Aug 23rd 2016
436
                                    Haha yea you nailed it.
Aug 23rd 2016
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                                         right frustrating bc there are so many great leads or avenues
Aug 23rd 2016
440
What did you folks think about
Aug 23rd 2016
428
I need to watch again.
Aug 23rd 2016
431
      yeah, i think he has flashes of killing her while the jury
Aug 23rd 2016
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           ^^^^^
Aug 23rd 2016
453
Freddie gonna stop trusting naz and attack him, but naz will
Aug 23rd 2016
430
is there definitely going to be a season 2?
Aug 23rd 2016
450
      oh i have no idea and i don't necessarily wanna know either lol
Aug 23rd 2016
454
Did we know naz' tattoo said Sinbad all along?
Aug 23rd 2016
435
nobody brought up the possible serial murder?
Aug 23rd 2016
437
Because Box thinks he has his man... SMH
Aug 23rd 2016
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i didn't put all that together
Aug 23rd 2016
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i'm not sure that he's sure
Aug 23rd 2016
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      i'm not sure he cares.
Aug 23rd 2016
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      I tend to think you're right, BUT...
Aug 23rd 2016
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      ^^^ yeah I caught that too, I took it as reflecting on his career
Aug 23rd 2016
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      Yep. Agreed completely.
Aug 23rd 2016
447
      i saw thhat at the retirement party but i took it more as that
Aug 23rd 2016
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           Word. All solid points.
Aug 23rd 2016
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           A couple of things; the evidence >>> confession line was telling
Aug 23rd 2016
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                But the evidence overwhelmingly suggests that he was the killer.
Aug 24th 2016
457
                     does it?
Aug 24th 2016
458
                          Yeah the evidence points to him
Aug 24th 2016
459
                               RE: reply 445
Aug 24th 2016
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                               this isn't clear
Aug 24th 2016
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                                    that was the whole point about the inhaler fam
Aug 24th 2016
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                                         ^ agreed.
Aug 24th 2016
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                                         RE: that was the whole point about the inhaler fam
Aug 24th 2016
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                                              I can't be more clear, that's the entire implication with the inhaler
Aug 24th 2016
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                                                   This is wrong
Aug 24th 2016
480
                                                   LOL, to summarize, I could've gotten a confession out of Naz
Aug 24th 2016
481
                                                        How?
Aug 24th 2016
482
                                                             easy, and again, you continue to downplay the decades of experience
Aug 24th 2016
484
                                                   this is kind of the key point:
Aug 24th 2016
483
                                                        did he use the inhaler to try to get a confession or no?
Aug 24th 2016
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                                                             I'm saying with-holding the inhaler is one angle to leverage a confessio...
Aug 24th 2016
486
                                                             lmao that's an epic reach fam
Aug 24th 2016
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                                                             i agree w/ you.
Aug 24th 2016
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                                                             i mean, not in the direct way:
Aug 24th 2016
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                                                                  ehh, I like my explanation better...HAHA
Aug 24th 2016
490
                               That's actually not true at all.
Aug 24th 2016
465
                                    we talking on tv or real life?
Aug 24th 2016
473
      ^^BINGO I think that's the point of the show.
Aug 26th 2016
503
           i agree...naz was a innocent albeit foolish young man and now the
Aug 26th 2016
505
      True.
Aug 23rd 2016
444
RE: possible serial murder? - I think you read this wrong
Aug 24th 2016
463
      well no, I got the part of the minority victim not being a headline
Aug 24th 2016
472
           from 441
Aug 24th 2016
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I did... but didnt think anything of it
Aug 23rd 2016
448
So I am doubting there will be a dramatic court room moment.
Aug 23rd 2016
456
The most WILD (but maybe best) theory I've had yet: Freddy set Naz up.
Aug 24th 2016
460
that actually kinda make sense. I think there are some holes to
Aug 24th 2016
462
yeah. it's not like Naz was THEE target...
Aug 24th 2016
467
      oh was it?
Aug 24th 2016
476
           i thought it was but it was hard to get a clear look at her face.
Aug 24th 2016
478
that would require way too many coincidences...
Aug 24th 2016
466
word. yeah i don't disagree w/ you either. so many possiblities.
Aug 24th 2016
468
what arre the coincidences?
Aug 24th 2016
477
      Would the girl look for that type of dude behind the wheel of a taxi tho...
Aug 24th 2016
487
           maybe she was just looking for a ride to a different location.
Aug 24th 2016
492
                dude, he's not a Herb. that was some BS red herring
Aug 26th 2016
509
                     dude was a herb, that's the whole reason stone picked him out
Aug 29th 2016
525
                          Right, agreed. The stuff about his past ...
Aug 29th 2016
535
                               right
Aug 29th 2016
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This a good one.
Aug 24th 2016
469
Nah, not buying it.
Aug 24th 2016
488
RE: Nah, not buying it.
Aug 24th 2016
494
      Why would she got looking for Smart Guys in Cabs?
Aug 24th 2016
495
      RE: Why would she got looking for Smart Guys in Cabs?
Aug 28th 2016
515
      he woke up with the dead girl there after they did drugs
Aug 24th 2016
496
      Relying on Bodie to lead them to Naz is a big reach
Aug 25th 2016
501
           post 496...nobody could predict what would happen next
Aug 25th 2016
502
           RE: Relying on Bodie to lead them to Naz is a big reach
Aug 28th 2016
516
i think it is along those lines but not as deep
Aug 26th 2016
507
I'm convinced its Freddie
Aug 25th 2016
497
I will buy that everything that happened to Naz once he got to prison...
Aug 25th 2016
499
Naz is The Yellow King.
Aug 25th 2016
500
      A NYC Taxi Medallion is a flat circle
Aug 28th 2016
513
           Speaking of The Yellow King..
Aug 29th 2016
520
                Ha wow. I knew I recognized him from somewhere.
Aug 29th 2016
522
Anyone mentioned the weird car at the gas station on the first night?
Aug 25th 2016
498
you mean the guy who was driving the hearse?
Aug 26th 2016
504
So, all the detective work was back-loaded into the finale.
Aug 28th 2016
517
you really don't want to know the answer.
Aug 29th 2016
518
That seems to be the point.
Aug 29th 2016
519
Shit, In real life you wouldn't even get that.
Aug 29th 2016
524
exactly, like the prosecutor said at a point, we got more evidence
Aug 29th 2016
526
Yeah...and he had a hunch from the beginning
Aug 29th 2016
536
the step pops wasnt guilty
Aug 29th 2016
521
RE: the step pops wasnt guilty
Aug 29th 2016
523
agreed
Aug 29th 2016
527
^^
Aug 29th 2016
529
Yup. The thing is there's shenanigans across the board with prisoners
Aug 29th 2016
534
I started hyperventilating when she reached in between her legs.
Aug 29th 2016
537
      that look she gave....
Aug 29th 2016
542
      When Naz picked it up off the bench and it left a wet spot
Aug 29th 2016
546
           That's the real drugs.
Aug 29th 2016
547
His relationship with his mother can possibly rebound once the
Aug 29th 2016
533
So how did Stone get the jail video?
Aug 29th 2016
528
Freddie had his people drop it off. Which is scary all by itself.
Aug 29th 2016
531
      Right.
Aug 29th 2016
532
           yeah felt like such a reach. I'd rather it have been box.
Aug 29th 2016
539
           Not really
Aug 29th 2016
543
                agreed.
Aug 29th 2016
552
           Stone visited Naz several times
Aug 30th 2016
561
Stone giving the cat back was the sign that no one would be killed at
Aug 29th 2016
530
kind of disappointed in the ending
Aug 29th 2016
540
I wasn't disappointed in how they wrapped it up but ...
Aug 29th 2016
541
Pretty sure it said Series Finale.
Aug 29th 2016
545
      i know...my doubt it was in reference to a season 2.
Aug 29th 2016
549
I think the show is about BIAS
Aug 29th 2016
544
i agree with most of this...
Aug 30th 2016
564
Love the uncumfortable notstalgia of leaving jail
Aug 29th 2016
548
Am I the only one that felt like the hung jury was a disappointment?
Aug 29th 2016
550
I think it fit the show perfectly.
Aug 29th 2016
551
that's a good point.
Aug 29th 2016
556
when Naz said 'I don't know' = guilty
Aug 30th 2016
568
Let's just give John the Emmy now
Aug 29th 2016
553
saw this comment on reddit about Freddy and thought is what great
Aug 29th 2016
554
yeah, this is on point
Aug 29th 2016
555
Word.
Aug 30th 2016
558
i thought the finale was pretty underwhelming
Aug 29th 2016
557
agreed...felt like it missed a climax.
Aug 30th 2016
559
      It's suppose to be Anti-Climax and non-satisfying.
Aug 30th 2016
560
           Agreed
Aug 30th 2016
563
           for me its anti climatic bc there's still a story left to be told imo
Aug 30th 2016
565
                Your right there is more story, but I don't think there was a need to te...
Aug 30th 2016
567
                It was an 8 episode series (unless they decide upon a 2nd)
Aug 30th 2016
569
That was great
Aug 30th 2016
562
The DA suggested that he could have saved her period
Aug 30th 2016
566
Freddie forwarded the video of the kissing to help Naz
Sep 09th 2016
574
When Naz was packing up his cell
Aug 30th 2016
570
I thought the exact same thing.
Aug 30th 2016
571
I was like, you need to keep your head on a swivel.
Aug 30th 2016
573
This was awesome. I really like the short story-esque storyline
Aug 30th 2016
572
I'm glad I stuck with this. The last 2 eps were great
Sep 12th 2016
575
likely future criminal???
Sep 13th 2016
576
      what happens in jail...
Sep 13th 2016
577

kingjerm78
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1. "Good looking. "
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2. "I watched a day after watching Edelman's O.J. 30430 "
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I couldn't help but think about the similarities.
It's great, I'm ready for the other 7 episodes.

  

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4. "it was great...loved how the framed the story..."
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of at first seeing all the mistakes this kid was making.

then, as it moves along you see the cops making mistakes.

  

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5. "I'm definitely gonna watch this. The ads got me. Looks real good. "
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6. "Ehhhh... the premise isn't believable to me"
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watched the first episode.
Glad Bodie's getting work, but I'm not sure that I'll watch anymore of this.

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7. "glad to know you won't be watching"
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12. "lol"
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It's plenty of money to be made
from Candler Road to Bankhead
It's plenty of room to get paid
for those that ain't scared

  

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lol.

  

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18. "lol!"
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21. "these niggas man... watch shows just to find reasons not to watch "
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ole "how did sansa know the dogs were hungry" ass niggas

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23. "Ehh after watching, Hitokiri right"
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I wouldn't say unbelievable

Just Hella unimaginative.

So much happenstance stance to make the plot build

Also annoyed that every Black character was an asshole

  

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24. "thank goodness, thats 2 down"
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41. "i'm'a keep watchin tho legs"
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get your upide down smiley emoji face on

  

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44. "watching for all the wrong reasons ^^^ "
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“So back we go to these questions — friendship, character… ethics.”

  

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59. "Me too. What's she from ?"
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The actress I mean. I recognize her but can't put my finger on it.

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61. "same here"
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not sure.

“So back we go to these questions — friendship, character… ethics.”

  

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at least I think that's where I recognize her from.

“So back we go to these questions — friendship, character… ethics.”

  

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185. "afton williamson??? i remember her an svu episode lol"
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-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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224. "Banshee"
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She was the new D.A.

  

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9. "**spoilers**"
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i think bodie's friend did it
i have no proof
just a hunch

life always offers you a 2nd chance...it's called tomorrow. use it wisely

  

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10. "RE: **spoilers**"
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They show'd dude lingering and watching as they walked away.

That was definitely on purpose. But I think it's a red herring.

We need to see the girls backstory to know who to consider. There is a reason she got into that cab.


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16. "Right and then Bodie said "yea I was alone""
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>They show'd dude lingering and watching as they walked away.

...but then I also agree with your next point. I think so too but we'll see.

>That was definitely on purpose. But I think it's a red
>herring.

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20. "Bodie said he was alone because its part of the code of the streets"
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28. "OK - so you mean that he was just trying to keep his friend ..."
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... from being pulled into talking to the police ? Sounds plausible I suppose. But I think the writers kind of WANTED us to think otherwise.

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29. "how yall calling him Bodie but expect him to answer like he is Theopholu..."
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the answer to that question was real as shit.

you dont involve your boy until your back is against the wall.

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27. "My girlfriend said the neighbor"
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I was like come on the most obvious one is the other beady eyed friend that saw them walk in. The neighbor was watching out his window, how could he have done it?

Then she was like yeah but only after she was killed.

And I was like damn, true.

But I think most likely they haven't even shown the actual killer yet.

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30. "my wife kept wondering how she had a place that nice"
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which made me wonder if that's who did it...

I would be very upset if it was Bodie's boy. That would be real lazy.

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34. "True"
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I think every detail in that first episode is going to come back in some way during the future episodes. He wouldn't have commented on how nice the neighborhood was if it didn't matter.

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36. "yep, I think Bodie saying he was alone will come back"
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to haunt him when Naz tells them about 2 black guys talking shit.

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35. "Other suspects"
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Copied this from my response to the PTP. Doesn't include Bodie's homie, who was the obvious sore thumb.


- The guy driving the hearse that they saw at the gas station

- Someone on the b-ball team. Naz fucks ol' girl and calls later the guys at the party and invites them over. He lets them in, and passes out in front of the fridge. Not likely, because he only seemed cool with the one guy who invited him to the party, but possible.

- Complete shot in the dark: The guy on the motorcycle that Naz sees just before he gets pulled over. Just because we never see his face and he's near the scene.

- Someone else in her life. I think this is the most likely. She invites someone else over or someone else comes over un-annoucned. She lets them in, they drink/party with them, Naz passes out in front of the fridge, and whoever it is kills her. Could be they're going to go with that she's a high class escort or sugar baby (why she's in such a nice place at the age of 22), but that seems pretty cliche.

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45. "the last one makes the most sense"
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we were so hype last sunday because we thought it was a new episode. We forgot it was the official premier of episode 1.



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49. "I'm leaning toward option #4 mainly because"
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when they were at the water, she tells him "i can't be alone tonight."

  

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55. "damn, I missed that line... "
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I need to watch it again before sunday.

kinda implies her need for a warm body regardless of who it is...

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60. "The entire time I thought she somehow did it herself."
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From the beginning of their interaction it seemed like a drawn out suicide plot.

  

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11. "First ep was intense. "
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I don't think Nas did it. I'm glad dejesus got involved, kid was digging himself a life sentence on his own.

  

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14. "pretty sure Nas coulda walked out of the station. "
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15. "He got so close. "
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17. "very good so far."
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Worse thing about the pilot is almost every single black character antagonized the shit outta Naz for seemingly no reason.
*The basketball player he was tutoring
*Bodie and friend with the ugly racism
*The female cop who pulled him over for erratic driving (she in particular was a straight up caricature)
*The cop who took his clothes when he was stripping

Shit was exasperating. Like I get that not every black character is going to be unicorn and rainbows, but it's poor writing to make them so unevenly dreadful.

Highlights were John Tuturro, the guy who played Naz, the very New York feel of the show.

Overall, worth setting the dvr for. I can't wait to see how everything unfolds.

  

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19. "Nah, everyone person was mean to Naz until Tuturro shows up"
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This was intentional IMO.

Only dude who was decent to him was the store clerk who let him use the bathroom.

Everyone else was mean, flakey or nice to him just so they could take advantage of him

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22. "Yeah I didn't get that at all. I thought the female cop was fair. "
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And the general impression I got of everyone is just kind of shitty to immigrants.

I thought the ballplayers were decent for inviting him out.

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25. "every character black/white/indian/etc was an asshole tho"
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besides inviting him out to the party i cant remember anyone being pleaseant to him or looking out for his vest interest.

the show was gritty, dark and had an "underbelly" type feel to it.

Its prolly a bad idea to look for people to be good, kind, positive regardless of color.

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31. "naww she was being a straight up dick"
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And of course being a dick is nothing new to a cop, but she was over the top for a simple illegal left turn.

The ballplayers as a whole didn't invite him out, it was *one* who was who throwing the party and one could assume it was partially cause the one he was tutoring was treating him so poorly.

I disagree as well about the immigrant thing too. Why would people in a large city, particularly NY, single out immigrants? The treatment would have made more sense in fly over country but NY is filled to the brim with immigrants. I get the poor treatment after they confirm he's a suspect in a murder, but prior to that it was too heavy handed.

  

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32. "For realzies?"
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>I disagree as well about the immigrant thing too. Why would
>people in a large city, particularly NY, single out
>immigrants? The treatment would have made more sense in fly
>over country but NY is filled to the brim with immigrants. I
>get the poor treatment after they confirm he's a suspect in a
>murder, but prior to that it was too heavy handed.

Muslim Immigrants (the cab drivers, the hot dog vendors, Bordega Owners) get treated like shit here. There like non-entities.


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33. "you're taking a very odd angle here."
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like, you're mad no one was nice to him and you think the black characters thus far have been patently terrible?

first of all, once you're a murder suspect, the foot soldiers aren't gonna be nice to you. the detectives will fake nice to get the story out of you, but the regular cops all think you're a piece of shit.

secondly, the basketball player was kind to invite him to the party even if the other guy didn't understand why he was inviting Naz.

also, that female officer treated him pretty well (have you ever had actual interactions with police or been arrested) telling him about his right not to take the breath exam, etc. she gave him the respectful patdown and didn't freak when she found the knife like "oh shit we got the murderer right here y'all!" the cop that took him into the station was black and wasn't mean to him. he asked him what he did and Naz said "nothing" as most cops would wonder why he has take you down to the station on orders.

you doth protest a bit much, no?

  

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37. "RE: you're taking a very odd angle here."
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>like, you're mad no one was nice to him and you think the
>black characters thus far have been patently terrible?
As mentioned, I thought the black characters were written very unevenly. How delightful is it to watch a show in which the sole speaking black female is so stereotypically over the top, with all the attitude and bitchiness she can muster? How wonderful is it to see the only overt racism in the show come from two black kids?

>first of all, once you're a murder suspect, the foot soldiers
>aren't gonna be nice to you. the detectives will fake nice to
>get the story out of you, but the regular cops all think
>you're a piece of shit.
As mentioned verbatim,

"I get the poor treatment after they confirm he's a suspect in a murder, but prior to that it was too heavy handed."


>secondly, the basketball player was kind to invite him to the
>party even if the other guy didn't understand why he was
>inviting Naz.
I mentioned that.


>also, that female officer treated him pretty well (have you
>ever had actual interactions with police or been arrested)
>telling him about his right not to take the breath exam, etc.
>she gave him the respectful patdown and didn't freak when she
>found the knife like "oh shit we got the murderer right here
>y'all!" the cop that took him into the station was black and
>wasn't mean to him. he asked him what he did and Naz said
>"nothing" as most cops would wonder why he has take you down
>to the station on orders.
>
>you doth protest a bit much, no?

My issue more than anything else, is the black characters in this series thus far are written unevenly. And it's not just this series, in many series we face this problem. I'm not asking for every black character to be jesus of nazareth, but even for the minor non-lead characters there needs to be more nuisance. I want more fleshed out characters of color. That's it. As I mentioned, I'm still going to be watching so it didn't bother me enough to not watch it. I get that this was only the first episode, so hopefully it'll balance out as the series continues.

  

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39. "the cop didn't slam him on the car...lol"
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I didn't see anything heavy about her interaction. That was typical NYPD behavior.

again. it's a gritty dark crime drama. I don't think anyone is supposed to be viewed in a positive light besides Naz and Turturro and even he was a little snippy with Naz.

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46. "Not to pile on but I was generally pleased that there were so many black"
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characters. I just found it to be representative of the NYC I know.

That those characters happened to be generally sh*tty arguably was a product of the genre.



>>like, you're mad no one was nice to him and you think the
>>black characters thus far have been patently terrible?
>As mentioned, I thought the black characters were written very
>unevenly. How delightful is it to watch a show in which the
>sole speaking black female is so stereotypically over the top,
>with all the attitude and bitchiness she can muster? How
>wonderful is it to see the only overt racism in the show come
>from two black kids?
>
>>first of all, once you're a murder suspect, the foot
>soldiers
>>aren't gonna be nice to you. the detectives will fake nice
>to
>>get the story out of you, but the regular cops all think
>>you're a piece of shit.
>As mentioned verbatim,
>
>"I get the poor treatment after they confirm he's a suspect in
>a murder, but prior to that it was too heavy handed."
>
>
>>secondly, the basketball player was kind to invite him to
>the
>>party even if the other guy didn't understand why he was
>>inviting Naz.
>I mentioned that.
>
>
>>also, that female officer treated him pretty well (have you
>>ever had actual interactions with police or been arrested)
>>telling him about his right not to take the breath exam,
>etc.
>>she gave him the respectful patdown and didn't freak when
>she
>>found the knife like "oh shit we got the murderer right here
>>y'all!" the cop that took him into the station was black and
>>wasn't mean to him. he asked him what he did and Naz said
>>"nothing" as most cops would wonder why he has take you down
>>to the station on orders.
>>
>>you doth protest a bit much, no?
>
>My issue more than anything else, is the black characters in
>this series thus far are written unevenly. And it's not just
>this series, in many series we face this problem. I'm not
>asking for every black character to be jesus of nazareth, but
>even for the minor non-lead characters there needs to be more
>nuisance. I want more fleshed out characters of color. That's
>it. As I mentioned, I'm still going to be watching so it
>didn't bother me enough to not watch it. I get that this was
>only the first episode, so hopefully it'll balance out as the
>series continues.
>
>


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48. "i could see if it was ONLY the black characters being shitty"
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but shit, if this is how some will watch the show i hope they give up now cause this is about to get real ugly once he goes to jail.

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38. "nah.. you are in your feelings"
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first off, it's a female black cop and most cops in NYC aren't of the nice variety. I seen 2 black female officers give a bicycle rider a ticket and talked major shit for riding down a one way street the wrong direction. That's typical NYC

The guy throwing the party invited him. Whether it was guilt or not who the hell else should invite you to a party besides the person throwing it?

As car as 2 black guys giving an immigrant shit for being muslim. Ummm... yeah, that happens. Not trying to snark but most black people in NYC aren't playery. The average black new yorker isn't a fan of immigrants like you claim.


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72. "i thought the female cop was pretty nice the whole time"
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I don't get what people are talking about.

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81. "i dont know if nice is the right word. She wasnt an asshole or negative ..."
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I think its the typical OKP tactic of over analyzing shit so they can bitch and moan.

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234. "Her behavior actually makes sense when you remember that she was"
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near the end of her shift. I've seen MTA workers yell at people for nothing and then their shift ends 5 minutes later (when a new bus driver takes over) and it all makes sense: she's tired and annoyed that she has to engage him right when she's about to go home.

I don't like it, but I get it.

  

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233. "I'm 3 episodes in and loving it. But I call BS on that kind of"
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Islamophobia from Black dudes in the Hood. Well, more specifically Arab-phobia (I know he's Pakistani, but it's presented as Bodie and his bol just guessing that Nas is Arab). Maybe it's the Philly in me, but in my experience, Black people aren't generally on that, or afraid of people from that part of the world like YT can be.

  

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242. "is it phobia or just good ole fashion shit talking?"
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>Islamophobia from Black dudes in the Hood. Well, more
>specifically Arab-phobia (I know he's Pakistani, but it's
>presented as Bodie and his bol just guessing that Nas is
>Arab). Maybe it's the Philly in me, but in my experience,
>Black people aren't generally on that, or afraid of people
>from that part of the world like YT can be.

if you hang with a lot of Black muslims then sure, but the average hood dude like Bodie or Duane Reade? Yeah... i can easily see them saying some Osama type shit to a muslim at 11PM on a Friday night

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40. "good first ep"
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i'm in.

  

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42. "um Turturro is gonna murder this shit"
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can already tell this is going to be my new show



written by Richard Price too?


oh i'm in



I have this weird feeling that the knife they found on Naz isn't the actual murder weapon. When he runs back into the house to get his keys (and grab the knife) it is in the exact same spot they left it the previous night. Yeah it has her blood on it, but that doesn't necessarily mean its the murder weapon.

  

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43. "Good observation about the knife"
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47. "Yup. "
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I just kept thinking though that dude is screwed because how do you argue, "Yeah I accidently stabbed her earlier but I had nothing to do with the stabbings later on".


>can already tell this is going to be my new show
>
>
>
>written by Richard Price too?
>
>
>oh i'm in
>
>
>
>I have this weird feeling that the knife they found on Naz
>isn't the actual murder weapon. When he runs back into the
>house to get his keys (and grab the knife) it is in the exact
>same spot they left it the previous night. Yeah it has her
>blood on it, but that doesn't necessarily mean its the murder
>weapon.
>
>


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51. "yep...didn't wanna bring it up since people hadn't mentioned it..."
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but that was the knife they were playing stabby hand with.

the cops keep saying "potentially" in front of the word "serrated" but they seem to be focused on a serrated knife.

seems like it'd be odd if whoever killed her grabbed the stabby hand knife, killed her, then put it back downstairs.

  

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57. "yeah medical examiner was still trying to determine the serrated part "
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but one flaw in my knife observation: it does have blood all over it.


Yeah he cut her hand with that knife, but if that was all it was used for that night - it wouldn't have blood running that far up the blade. It would only be on the tip.


  

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62. "there was a ton of blood on her hand"
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after he stabbed her.

could be from the blood that dripped off her hand after he stabbed it.

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69. "maybe. It also could be his blood from his own wound"
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he cut himself pretty good breaking into her house


  

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50. "in the middle about it now..."
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on the one hand, everything seemed way to convenient. They played the game, he stabbed her, they have sex, she's only the second girl he's had sex with, his whole captivation with her, etc etc...it was all kinda unbelievable.

but on the other hand, hooks up aren't odd. i do want to know who the killer is. if it ends up being Nas, it would be a disappointing answer.

i just think so many bad choices were made...and i honestly don't get why he didn't just call the cops on some holy shit, i just woke up and found her dead. but then who'd believe him?

hmmm don't know what i'd do.

  

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52. "Yeah, I can't say if he did anything stupid because who knows what"
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they would do in a situation like that?


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53. "And it's the age too. He's like what? 20-21?"
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>they would do in a situation like that?

Looking at all the silly shit I did when the opposite sex was involved to impress em on my way to hopefully get some ass it doesn't seem that odd.

Only thing that tripped me out was how he let the accidental stabbing but even then you can explain it with by that time he was already drinking, coked and molly'ed up and presumably a lightweight since it was his first time for all 3.

And when he wakes up after the murder he's also dealing with the fact he's gotta get the car back to his parents (again, being young that would also be a factor even tho it doesn't mean squat in reality)

  

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54. "yup, not sure why people say its unbelievable"
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anytime we have a "crazy story" thread the stories sound unreal but that's how it plays out sometimes.

and its not like he was smooth with it.

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56. "RE: in the middle about it now..."
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>i just think so many bad choices were made...and i honestly
>don't get why he didn't just call the cops on some holy shit,
>i just woke up and found her dead. but then who'd believe him?

that's the thing: assuming he's not the killer then it's only shitty that he'd just try to get away in the sense that you're not helping find the person who killed this girl you liked, albeit who you just met.

BUT, even with all the fuckups, had he just not gotten pulled over he probably "gets away with it" (i say that meaning whether he did or DID NOT do it) because it seems like he's kept his nose clean his whole life so w/out being in the system he'd never be discovered even with the forensic evidence he left behind. can't match DNA, fingerprints, etc. when you're not in the system.

  

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63. "I wake up next to a jump off stabbed like that..."
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I'm not really trying to stick around, especially when I woke up groggy and have no idea what I did last night because I was drugged up.

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64. "exactly what would have been the likelhood of them finding him...."
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if he had taken his keys and bounced without touching everything BUT then remember, he got the ticket at the fire hydrant AND the last three people to see her alive was the man with the hearse at the gas station (which was on tape) and the two guys (and one became a witness). Plus the neighbor seeing him run out of her house and get in the cab...they could have easily put one and two together...and him running would still look terrible.

so really to me, the only thing he could have done to look good was to call the police but again, who'd believe him?

and this is why i say the story is set up because so many things happened that were too convenient and no matter what, he would be on the hook for this.

  

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65. "BUT..."
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>if he had taken his keys and bounced without touching
>everything BUT then remember, he got the ticket at the fire
>hydrant AND the last three people to see her alive was the man
>with the hearse at the gas station (which was on tape) and the
>two guys (and one became a witness). Plus the neighbor seeing
>him run out of her house and get in the cab...they could have
>easily put one and two together...and him running would still
>look terrible.

first of all that gas station seemed to be nowhere near the murder so and SHE didn't buy anything so the only way to know she was there with him is to HOPE the hearse driver saw her face on the news (if they'd even put that story on the news in NYC) and then remember seeing her at the gas station in a cab then try to describe Naz to the cops or give the cab number which he probably didn't bother to take note of or remember. even Bodie and his boy would just be able to describe him at best but they didn't know they drove a cab and parked it on the block. same for the neighbor, he already said he couldn't nail down the guy except to say he wasn't white and that he drove off in a cab (isn't there like 100,000 cabs in NYC and 95% aren't driven by white people?).

like i said, even WITH leaving forensic evidence as long as Naz doesn't find a way to get his DNA and fingerprints into the system, he probably skates without the traffic stop.

  

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74. "RE: BUT..."
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>first of all that gas station seemed to be nowhere near the
>murder so and SHE didn't buy anything so the only way to know
>she was there with him is to HOPE the hearse driver saw her
>face on the news (if they'd even put that story on the news in
>NYC) and then remember seeing her at the gas station in a cab
>then try to describe Naz to the cops or give the cab number
>which he probably didn't bother to take note of or remember.

So here is the thing...they made sure to show the hearse driver walk over to her, look her dead in her face, and make that comment. He spoke to her more than once. Now all he really has to do is say "I saw her at this gas station." and even if he doesnt' remember what she looks like, it was all on video. There is a reason they showed that scene specifically.


>even Bodie and his boy would just be able to describe him at
>best but they didn't know they drove a cab and parked it on
>the block. same for the neighbor, he already said he couldn't
>nail down the guy except to say he wasn't white and that he
>drove off in a cab (isn't there like 100,000 cabs in NYC and
>95% aren't driven by white people?).

You are right but Bodie knew him when he saw him, and that's what's more important. as far as the neighbor, had he gotten away eventually they would have realized that he meant he drove off in a cab and he would say "oh he was parked here" in front of the hydrant. Smart cops would look for a ticket and see a cab got ticketed and who owned it. this would lead them back to the dad and the other guys who own the cab.

>
>like i said, even WITH leaving forensic evidence as long as
>Naz doesn't find a way to get his DNA and fingerprints into
>the system, he probably skates without the traffic stop.
>

I don't believe he didn't leave any evidence but as you said if he's not in the system, they couldn't pinpoint him. however, if this lead back to the dad, they could ask him to give a sample and the sample would come back as a relative match.

i just feel all of it would have led back to him eventually. the story set it up that way. i watch crime stories all the time, they would have gotten this together eventually.

  

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75. "RE: BUT..."
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>So here is the thing...they made sure to show the hearse
>driver walk over to her, look her dead in her face, and make
>that comment. He spoke to her more than once. Now all he
>really has to do is say "I saw her at this gas station." and
>even if he doesnt' remember what she looks like, it was all on
>video. There is a reason they showed that scene specifically.

but again, how would the cops know to talk to this hearse driver? like i said, he'd have to hear of her murder, put two and two together and contact the cops.

>You are right but Bodie knew him when he saw him, and that's
>what's more important. as far as the neighbor, had he gotten
>away eventually they would have realized that he meant he
>drove off in a cab and he would say "oh he was parked here" in
>front of the hydrant. Smart cops would look for a ticket and
>see a cab got ticketed and who owned it. this would lead them
>back to the dad and the other guys who own the cab.

what i'm saying is they didn't KNOW that was his cab or theres no indication of that. so of course when bodie sees him again he ID's him but if they didn't know that was his cab (which it appears bodie didn't or he'd have mentioned it since he mentioned EVERYTHING except the presence of his homie) then Bodie couldn't finger him.

>I don't believe he didn't leave any evidence but as you said
>if he's not in the system, they couldn't pinpoint him.
>however, if this lead back to the dad, they could ask him to
>give a sample and the sample would come back as a relative
>match.
>
>i just feel all of it would have led back to him eventually.
>the story set it up that way. i watch crime stories all the
>time, they would have gotten this together eventually.

disagree. ONLY two things that can stop a murder investigation. lack of evidence or lack of a perp. gotta have both to make a murderer. i don't think there's a perp w/out that traffic stop based on what they've shown us.

  

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67. "well, the whole point of the show IMO is to try and prove"
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he is innocent even tho all the evidence makes him look guilty.

I love it because he made so many mistakes that most of us could see but since he was 21, in the moment and green as hell it adds to the story.

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71. "^^Clearly Not in the Patrice O'Neil Camp of dead white women"
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A joke that sums up best how alot of us think was told by Patrice O'Neal.

Dude said he doesn't even litter because he figure he throw a pepsi can in the park and it ends up next to a dead white girl and he ends up in jail for murdering a white woman.




>
>>i just think so many bad choices were made...and i honestly
>>don't get why he didn't just call the cops on some holy
>shit,
>>i just woke up and found her dead. but then who'd believe
>him?
>
>that's the thing: assuming he's not the killer then it's only
>shitty that he'd just try to get away in the sense that you're
>not helping find the person who killed this girl you liked,
>albeit who you just met.
>
>BUT, even with all the fuckups, had he just not gotten pulled
>over he probably "gets away with it" (i say that meaning
>whether he did or DID NOT do it) because it seems like he's
>kept his nose clean his whole life so w/out being in the
>system he'd never be discovered even with the forensic
>evidence he left behind. can't match DNA, fingerprints, etc.
>when you're not in the system.


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66. "the only part that i didn't find believable"
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how does dude not have gps on his phone in 2014? That's kinda wack, right? didn't bother me too much, I'm all in.

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68. "the killer is the neighbor in the robe mark my words"
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he looks like a straight up scumbag.

  

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70. "lmao... i doubt it"
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73. "nah, maybe he knows who did it though"
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76. "Y'all thinking real simple-like...."
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The killer most likely does not get any camera time in ep.1 at all. The most likely scenario is that the way too swanky brownstone for an early twenties coked out white girl certainly belongs to someone else.

And that middle aged sugar daddy someone came home to find his estranged sometimes-lover, suicidal, jumpoff bucky naked in bed....He lost his shit... and killed her.

All the while Naz is downstairs in the kitchen after he tried to get some water to hydrate but passed the fuckout at the kitchen table.

Killer never even enters the kitchen to know there's a sloppy drunk/high Pakistani kid to worry about..

  

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77. "this part i agree with:"
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>Killer never even enters the kitchen to know there's a sloppy
>drunk/high Pakistani kid to worry about..

  

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79. "Law and Order got people all fucked up"
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78. "the killer is probably .... "
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the killer is probably the hearse driver from the gas station.

  

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83. "that makes no damn sense... cmon"
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80. "When does ep. 2 drop? "
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I got all ready to watch it just now and only saw ep.1

And I've avoided this post all week because I figured yall been talking about ep.2 Haha

  

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82. "this sunday. we forgot it was a sneak preview and tuned in last Sunday"
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we were hype as shit until we realized it was the official premier of Ep. 1

I rewatched the other day and the pace of this show is amazing.

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84. "smh... why IMDB do my nubian homie like this?"
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http://m.imdb.com/name/nm0416194/

he plays a prison guard in an episode.

OKP about to boycott this shit now. lol

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85. "Is that from Oz? Did get raped in Oz?"
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87. "sure looks uncomfortable"
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but out of all the clips this is the one they use?

damn near every photo on that site is your basic head shot, why they bend him over like that?

you know that shit is intentional.

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88. "man, that shit is fucked up"
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123. "he still had his dreads when he was on Oz"
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Probably from an appearance on L&O or something.

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89. "Bump for Ep. 2"
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Not much plot development in this one, mostly just Naz going through the system and getting sent to Rikers.

Loving Tuturro and the tense, bleak, and gritty feel the show has. It really gives you that hopeless, fucked feeling in the pit of your stomach that Naz must be feeling. The shitty lawyer with gross feet is somehow the only uplifting part of the story.

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90. "even though there wasn't a lot of movement i still loved it."
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91. "John T. and this case is like JD & Janet."
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Lawyers and cops both like, "Whoa, that's you?"

I'm not trying to see him pick his feet for 6 more episodes.

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93. "Yooo, I hate to be petty but I'll stop watching for this reason"
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>I'm not trying to see him pick his feet for 6 more episodes.


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92. "I feel like this is the calm before the storm"
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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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94. "Man this might be too much of a procedural. "
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Like damn if they ain't trying to show every step of the process.



>http://www.hbo.com/the-night-of
>
>The first Episode of this series is now available and this
>shit is great.
>
>Could you imagine waking up after a 1 night stand and the
>person is dead and you don't remember a thing?


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95. "the other inmates reaction to Naz's charges .... LMAO "
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I'm really enjoying Detective Box's artful police work in this too. As Naz said dude is a subtle beast. Loved that line.


Some great lines in this episode too. Digging the writing. Especialyl the "jew time do a jew crime" from the judge lol.


Also, I'm trying to figure out if Naz accepting the inhaler was a bad move for him or for Box. It could be for Naz because it shows that its is in fact his inhaler. But I also could see it being not a smart move by Box because he removed exculpatory evidence from the scene. Evidence that shows Naz was invited into the bed.

  

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96. "I wonder if the charges have an impact on his treatment in jail"
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112. "I would think they would "
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Dude was about to be sent up on a bus to Riker's Island with a Harvard T Shirt on. Box knew what he was doing. Wanted to make life in jail as shitty for Naz as possible to get him to confess



But now that his cell buddies waiting for arraignment all know the deal, they have to be looking at dude a little differently.

  

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97. "I can't believe that Box gave him the inhaler from the crime scene. "
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Must have been a different inhaler.

Also don't think there is anything exculpatory about the inhaler.



>I'm really enjoying Detective Box's artful police work in
>this too. As Naz said dude is a subtle beast. Loved that line.
>
>
>
>Some great lines in this episode too. Digging the writing.
>Especialyl the "jew time do a jew crime" from the judge lol.
>
>
>Also, I'm trying to figure out if Naz accepting the inhaler
>was a bad move for him or for Box. It could be for Naz
>because it shows that its is in fact his inhaler. But I also
>could see it being not a smart move by Box because he removed
>exculpatory evidence from the scene. Evidence that shows Naz
>was invited into the bed.


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113. "curious to hear why you don't think its exculpatory "
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I know you're a lawyer with probably way more perspective on this kind of thing


but to me, it shows the sex was consensual and that he didn't force himself into bed with her.

  

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121. "IMO and assuming it's the same inhaler from the crime scene "
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>but to me, it shows the sex was consensual and that he didn't
>force himself into bed with her.

It doesn't prove his innocent or guilt. It only proves that he was at the scene of the crime.

A prosecutor could argue he dropped it while attacking/raping the girl or he dropped it while in a hurry to flee the crime scene.

  

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128. "^^^^, I don't see how it at all shows it was consensual. "
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Also I am not a criminal defense lawyer so this is just me speaking as a person who has seen a lot of cop shows.



>
>>but to me, it shows the sex was consensual and that he
>didn't
>>force himself into bed with her.
>
>It doesn't prove his innocent or guilt. It only proves that he
>was at the scene of the crime.
>
>A prosecutor could argue he dropped it while attacking/raping
>the girl or he dropped it while in a hurry to flee the crime
>scene.


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98. "Lawyer said it first."
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>As Naz said dude is a subtle beast. Loved that line.

Naz was just repeating what his lawyer said. Just for clarity.

But yea - I also loved that description.

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101. "Talented Oppressor was my shit. "
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>>As Naz said dude is a subtle beast. Loved that line.
>
>Naz was just repeating what his lawyer said. Just for
>clarity.
>
>But yea - I also loved that description.


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100. "EXCELLENT CATCH!!!!"
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>Also, I'm trying to figure out if Naz accepting the inhaler
>was a bad move for him or for Box. It could be for Naz
>because it shows that its is in fact his inhaler. But I also
>could see it being not a smart move by Box because he removed
>exculpatory evidence from the scene. Evidence that shows Naz
>was invited into the bed.

  

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102. "that shows he left his inhaler at the crime scene. nothing more."
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what's "inviting" about an inhaler?

  

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103. "I don't know how it'll play into the rest of the story..."
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I'm just mad it didn't dawn on me that Box handed the kid an inhaler from the crime scene.

  

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104. "I have to rewatch "
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105. "we already knew that before he gave it to him"
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they showed it laying on the bed with a number tag earlier

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it's doing something arduous and
creating something of value and then
being able to reflect on the fruits of your labor

  

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106. "right, my point is that how does Naz's inhaler being on the bed..."
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serve to show that Andrea INVITED him to her bed?

unless your reply was not meant for me.

  

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107. "lol my bad...i misread your reply...lol carry on"
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the key to happiness is not being rich;
it's doing something arduous and
creating something of value and then
being able to reflect on the fruits of your labor

  

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109. "it shows that the sex was consensual "
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the inhaler being there shows that he couldn't, in the midst of raping and killing her, stop and take a puff off the thing



also, what killer or rapist would use his inhaler and then forget to put it back in his pocket, especially since he remembered to put the knife in his pocket?

  

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114. "it doesn't show the sex was consensual at all."
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that shit coulda fell out of his pocket.

the only thing it is (or was had the detective not removed it) was that it's another item w/ Naz's DNA proving he was there.

  

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115. "Nah"
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It could have just fallen out of his pocket

“So back we go to these questions — friendship, character… ethics.”

  

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122. "or he could have used it after she died..."
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it shows nothing that wasn't already known...he was there. he already admitted to this and they have more than just the inhaler for evidence of his presence there.

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110. "so the inhaler was odd"
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b/c almost every inhaler I see has the person's name on it. On the bottle with the medication in it because that's required by law. if you take apart the inhaler, they would have seen the name and if the label was removed, they would see the serial number which would tell them whose it was. they didn't need him to take it to prove it was his.

  

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111. "yeah I just saw on Reddit that inhalers are prescription. Didn't know th..."
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>b/c almost every inhaler I see has the person's name on it.
>On the bottle with the medication in it because that's
>required by law. if you take apart the inhaler, they would
>have seen the name and if the label was removed, they would
>see the serial number which would tell them whose it was. they
>didn't need him to take it to prove it was his.


So you're right - they wouldn't need him to take it to prove its his.

With that in mind, I think it was a gamble more than anything. He wanted to do something "nice" for Nasir, as to prime him for a confession but then he wised up and remember not to talk to him.


If Nasir had let the Detective keep talking to him, he could have eventually agreed to something that was more or less a confession. You could tell at the beginning that the detective was trying to paint the scene for Nasir, saying "oh I know you didn't mean to do it, it was the drugs and things got out of control". If he continued with that maybe he could have convinced Nasir to say "yea that's probably what happened" because Nasir doesn't even know himself.

  

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124. "i don't think they were trying to prove anything...."
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>they didn't need him to take it to prove it was his.

I think it was just another psychological play by Box. He's still playing that good cop while setting him up to get flexed on in jail with the Harvard shirt

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99. "that whole intake process was some real shit...and they aint even"
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show the half

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108. "And like all good cops, he does you over just inside the rules."
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Very sharp writing this episode, particularly the scenes between Naz and Box/Stone. (I will be stealing that talented oppressor line) Some of the scenes felt a bit on the nose. Box is of course the opera listening sensitive analytic; Naz (slyly dressed in a Harvard shirt by Box) is picked up by a transport van loudly bumping rap music. Loved the woman playing the DA. Can't wait to see the Rikers scenes next week.

(and another bit of overt racism from a black character, this time stemming from Stone's client...lovely. Second episode in a row. I know though, all the blacks in NY are racist, I don't need the lecture)

  

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116. "YAWN, might bail"
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Shygurl's critiques from ep1 got toned down, but still seeped through, especially when Hightower beat up the fiend... and for those on that "well that really happens," doesn't make for good fiction

anyways, jesus cristo at a filler episode for a god damn six episode series.

this shit is art house law & order

  

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117. "Cant wait!! - Bart Scott (c)"
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Art Houe L&O isnt a bad thing.

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118. "* chucks the deuce at you *"
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law & order re-runs air constantly, b.

  

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119. "http://img.pandawhale.com/post-43162-shhh-just-go-gif-Imgur-Jim-Car-IupB..."
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http://img.pandawhale.com/post-43162-shhh-just-go-gif-Imgur-Jim-Car-IupB.gif

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120. "Lofl. This why I fux with you legs. "
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Dueces y'all

  

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125. "Every scene that Naz was "alone" in the prison..."
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...was more nerve-wracking than any horror movie I've seen in the last five years

  

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126. "bruh, I would take hoe baths by the water fountain"
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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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127. "i forget who said, but the one thing they are getting right..."
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is how scary prison feels while at the same time feeling like the most boring place on earth.

last night's ep was on point.

  

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129. "I didn't see how Bum Feet dude was going to keep that client."
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But that new defense attorney seems like she is slicker than most.


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138. "i feel conflicted cause she's clearly the better option..."
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she has a whole firm behind her and has the experience plus she's doing it for free...but Stone really stepped in and helped the kid out. Traditional story telling is making me suspicious of old girl but honestly Naz' family did the right thing.

I wonder if Torturro is gone from the show now. If not, what will he do?

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143. "I doubt he's gone."
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>I wonder if Torturro is gone from the show now. If not, what
>will he do?

I dunno what will happen but I assumed there was some way he'd carry on.

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130. "i didn't make the connection as to why they eyed each other"
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after hearing abt what he did

did they think yo raped her and THEN burned his bed because of that or just on some ole he a fish shit?

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139. "probably both but mostly the rape"
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soon as it was said on TV the inmates looked at each other.

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131. "nice touch with the Newport pack in Omar's cell!"
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Also, can we speculate on what he wants from Nas in return for the protection?


My hunch is he's going to ask Nas's parents to smuggle in drugs for him during visits. I'm thinking its that because they sort of set it up with the guard Omar is fucking telling him she can't bring the stuff in anymore.


Wild Speculation Alert: Maybe Nas's mom comes in for a visit with a Hijab. I'm leaning that way because of the way the director focused in and showed his moms getting searched looking hella uncomfortable with the whole process. Nas's family also needs money badly right now with the cab out of commission.



I'm not sure what to make of the high profile lawyer.. My lawyer friend said that flat fees are super unethical in their world - so that makes me question Stone and his motivations for sure.
I can see the Cab driver dudes putting in that call for the grand theft charge against Nas and Stone representing them.


One last thing: This fuckin eczema shit better have a payoff, man. They're focusing way too much on it! I mean, yeah okay character development and making him unique - i get it. But it seems a bit much. They better find Stone's eczema skin at the crime scene or some shit lol

  

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133. "The feet are gonna get the charges overturned."
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>One last thing: This fuckin eczema shit better have a payoff,
>man. They're focusing way too much on it! I mean, yeah okay
>character development and making him unique - i get it. But it
>seems a bit much. They better find Stone's eczema skin at the
>crime scene or some shit lol

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134. "Agreed, the dermatologist...and an entire support group."
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140. "RE: nice touch with the Newport pack in Omar's cell!"
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>Also, can we speculate on what he wants from Nas in return
>for the protection?
>
>
>My hunch is he's going to ask Nas's parents to smuggle in
>drugs for him during visits. I'm thinking its that because
>they sort of set it up with the guard Omar is fucking telling
>him she can't bring the stuff in anymore.

This is a good thought...i honestly couldn't figure what it would be but makes sense given the situation with the guard.


>I''m not sure what to make of the high profile lawyer.. My
>lawyer friend said that flat fees are super unethical in their
>world - so that makes me question Stone and his motivations
>for sure.

Yeah I'm on the fence too but I don't blame them for picking her over him. Our view of things as the audience is skewed by the fact that it's John T. and he's the co-star of the show

> I can see the Cab driver dudes putting in that call for the
>grand theft charge against Nas and Stone representing them.
>

Yup they're definitely going to do this

>
>One last thing: This fuckin eczema shit better have a payoff,
>man. They're focusing way too much on it! I mean, yeah okay
>character development and making him unique - i get it. But it
>seems a bit much. They better find Stone's eczema skin at the
>crime scene or some shit lol

I'm good on that shit. This whole episode was dedicated to them damn feet...it's like they show more of it over the course of the show. In 2 weeks they'll have a whole episode of just the feet.

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132. "Watched again. You can tell this show was written pre-Trump"
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The idea that Box and the DA be worried about a Muslim being sympathetic to juries seems...quaint now.

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135. "pre-Trump?"
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http://s3-ec.buzzfed.com/static/enhanced/webdr02/2013/2/11/13/anigif_enhanced-buzz-8733-1360605648-3.gif

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137. "pre-Trump Presidential Campaign All Muslim Ban blah blah etc. "
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136. "It says Exec Produced by James Gandolfini"
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So I would assume it's been in the works for a while. I guess he was supposed to play Tuturro's character before he died. He would have been dope in this.

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141. "That was Stone spinning the sympathetic jurors"
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Everybody else has mentioned it because of the media circus it'll lead to and the fact that people will jump to assume he's a terrorist.

>The idea that Box and the DA be worried about a Muslim being
>sympathetic to juries seems...quaint now.

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144. "I get that but I don't even think anyone has used the word Terrorist yet..."
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142. "My friend was on the show and it was filmed 3 to 4 years ago"
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which means it was written at least 5 years before that lol

  

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510. "RE: My friend was on the show and it was filmed 3 to 4 years ago"
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okay. that makes sense.. give that riz ahmed looks much older in the trailers for rogue one

  

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145. "Anyone else find the Mom kind of hot? Just me? That's cool. "
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146. "Haha you're not alone. Been quietly thinking the same."
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Her facial expressions while in the waiting room in the jail, all innocent and confused and scared ... had me like O_O

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147. "lol Word"
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I keep looking at her trying to remember what else I seen
her in .

Chandra was a very pleasant addition to the cast as well

  

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148. "Turns out probably a lot of places...and she is unquestionably a hottie"
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http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1567198/?ref_=tt_cl_t3




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161. "wow, they did an excellent job making her seem regular."
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-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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149. "her name is Poorna... "
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150. "thanks for this...just watched episode 1 last night bc of this post."
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was dope...only stopped watching bc it was 1am lolol.

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151. "STONE AND KAPOOR DREAM TEAM COMING"
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soo random thoughts:


Is it just me or is Nas starting to look a little prison bufff?! Loved his stare down at the guy who burned him with the baby oil and water. The look on his face when Nas is walking up the stairs:
https://gfycat.com/SeveralImaginaryApatosaur






Thought it was kinda dumb how she wrote off Stone as a plea deal attorney. When in fact, she was out to get Nas to sign a plea deal as well lol



Best line of the episode: Pampers not Grampers.




Interesting how Freddy (Omar) was trying to give Nas a copy of The Call of the Wild. For those who haven't "already read it," its about a dog put into an environment where it has to fight to survive. Final episode of this show is also titled "Call of the Wild." Which makes me think Nas is going to be found guilty.


Overall, a really good episode. Best one since the pilot imo.


New drinking game proposal: Take a shot every time Stone scratches those goddamn feet.

  

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152. "Those gotfuckingdamn feet."
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Nigga gon be an amputee by the time Nas gets out.

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159. "its like two subways sandwiches LOL "
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208. "That was a great line"
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LOL

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153. "I read Call of the Wild in school"
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I loved that book. I don't know if it means Nas is guilty but Nas is going to have to become an Alpha male in order to survive in this wild environment.

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154. "Nas does look like he's prison cock diesel, lol"
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>Thought it was kinda dumb how she wrote off Stone as a plea
>deal attorney. When in fact, she was out to get Nas to sign a
>plea deal as well lol

In her defense; to get such a gruesome high profile murder down to manslaughter was a big move and if you're guilty you should be thankful. But yeah, she played em.

Also, LOLZ @ stone getting the perfunctory prostitute pussy.

It's also going to be interesting to see how Freddy takes care of him/if there's going to be any retaliation to the squinter.



>Interesting how Freddy (Omar) was trying to give Nas a copy of
>The Call of the Wild. For those who haven't "already read it,"
>its about a dog put into an environment where it has to fight
>to survive. Final episode of this show is also titled "Call
>of the Wild." Which makes me think Nas is going to be found
>guilty.
>
>
>Overall, a really good episode. Best one since the pilot imo.
>
>
>New drinking game proposal: Take a shot every time Stone
>scratches those goddamn feet.
>

  

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155. "the squirter is about to get worked over"
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157. "Dude with hot tea baby oil"
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bout catch a bad one
and he knows it too. You could see it on his face
when Nas was walking up the steps to go tell.

I think ol boy is lying too. who keeps a pic of their
slaughtered Fam like that ?!?? Dude prolly did it himself
and trying to take out Nas so the rest of Rikers
wont suspect him of being rapey

Also

I dont think Nas got swole I think he just practicing
good posture and coming outta that awkward nerd phase
into survival mode.

Best Ep since the premier

  

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158. "i thought the pic was weird too "
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"Hey wanna see a picture of my niece?"


dude pulls out a crime scene photo lol wtf



How would someone even get a pic like that? They'd have to either get it from evidence collection or he did it himself and then snapped that pic. Definitely leaning towards the latter

  

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162. "Yup "
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The whole story about catching the dude who did
it and shooting at him but missing and hittin
someone else blah blah blah.

Its just way to convenient
Dude is definitely rapey, looks rapey and trying to
cover himself by killing Rikers biggest star
so no one would question him.

You see how Sticky bounced on Nas like "Talkin with
you bout to get me killed."


  

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163. "as soon as i saw the pic I knew dude was on some grimey shit"
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everything he told Nas to do was some shit to get him fucked up..

look niggas in the eye
where the orange jumpsuit

that photo tho...smh.

but real talk, its jail, i feel like everyone is on some grimey shit when talking to Nas.

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160. "RE: Nas does look like he's prison cock diesel, lol"
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>It's also going to be interesting to see how Freddy takes care
>of him/if there's going to be any retaliation to the
>squinter.

I'm mainly curious to see what price/compromises Naz is forced to make while under Freddy's wing. I have to think that's going to be the main source of drama in Naz' life since Freddy's protection is so wide in range.

"Sean sparks like John Starks, nah, Sean ball like John Wall" - Rest In Power Forever Sean Price.

  

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156. "Yeah, I'm digging how Nas is having to come to terms with the violence. "
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of prison life, having to deal with the reality of his circumstance

  

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167. "you could tell that inmate was setting Naz up the whole time."
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what i thought was interesting was that when Naz comes back from getting bandaged up, he stares dude in the eyes and the dude smiles like "okay, you giving me that stare like i told you about" and it seemed like he respected him.

WHICH makes me wonder if that was a ruse to get Naz to go to Freddy to ask for help (cuz we don't know what Freddy really wants from Naz).

  

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168. "i thought/think it's obvious Freddy set all that up w/dude"
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171. "my thought process too."
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172. "so why would dude stop smiling immediately when Naz goes back"
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to the guard to get Freddie?

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176. "idk yet...y did he burn Nas?..i do know he crazier than a shithouse rat"
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cuz I think HE killed his niece

I gotta re-watch

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177. "i dunno. he didn't seem particularly shook to me. just stopped smiling."
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i just feel like the way he got that crime scene pic was Freddy pulling some strings too.

  

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178. "to throw off the audience."
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the smile fading isn't anything major that they would need to explain.

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189. "I didnt look at it like that"
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Since Nas was headed to court and got the Green jumper
and dude was like "Nah dont put it on."

Nas told him about Freddy and dude told Nas
dont eff with him.

Even Sticky knew who Freddy was and told Nas straight
up that he needed to take the deal.

If that dude was really sent by Freddy to sway Nas
he's doin everything in his power to eff it up

  

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194. "nah, think of it this way"
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the guard AND sticky told Nas to stick with Freddy and he still didnt trust their word.

Tea oil nigga befriends Nas, tells him Freddy aint to be trusted, gives him bad advice AND attacks him...

and now he is asking for Freddys help.

Dude gave him all the wrong advice and showed him how easy it is to get caught out there without protection cause Nas is still too nice.

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195. "pretty much...dudes advice been turrible."
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196. "Seen"
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and it definitely makes alot of sense.
Guess I'm being hardheaded right now

But

The one dude who was spending up Nas commissary
was in Freddies cell apparently trying to get payment
so yeah

Fock does Freddie want?!!?

  

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511. "RE: you could tell that inmate was setting Naz up the whole time."
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I thought he was just smiling/chuckling cuz he thought Nas was a bitch/happy that he hadn't snitched (yet).. he thought he had gotten over.. but i think that smile and chuckle was to his own undoing..

  

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164. "am i the only one that thinks dude did it?"
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165. "I wouldn't be surprised given how drugged up he was"
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170. "naz pissed me (well alot of times) but especially bc he didn't"
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tell them dudes to check his blood for the pills she gave him. Like if dude got roophied it would give 'some credence' to his blacking out story.

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173. "pretty sure they took his blood on the first night..."
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and him being drugged isn't in question. they have evidence of the drugs/alcohol on the scene.

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179. "i don't recall his blood getting drawn i could be wrong."
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The drugs at the scene don't prove that she gave him a roophie(for agrument's sake) he needs all the evidence that he can that confirms his version of events.

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190. "How would that help him at all though"
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For starters it's already pretty clear to everyone that he and the girl were drugged up. Whether he just "can't remember" or was "blacked out due to drugs," there's a gap in his story when the chick was killed. Neither is preferable. A jury wouldn't look more favorably on a defendant in a largely circumstantial case because the kid confirmed he blacked out on coke and pills. If anything I'd think that would make him look like MORE of a scumbag to a jury.


>tell them dudes to check his blood for the pills she gave
>him. Like if dude got roophied it would give 'some credence'
>to his blacking out story.

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191. "IF it was rohypnol specifically for example, it doesn't prove anything"
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but it backs up part of his story. As of right now, there is no evidence that even proves that he blacked out. If the prosecution wants to say he got drunk and high, raped homegirl and then left, having ruhypnol in his system gives some credence to his defense that she provided the pills and that he blacked out.

Just like the police collect every little thing that could possibly be used against the suspect, maybe the use it maybe they don't...i'd want every piece of evidence that backs up my story to be accounted for to in case it contradicts a possible prosecution theory/argument.

Maybe the prosecution is gonna argue that he drugged the girl and forced her to drink while he remained sober? Isn't it possible there'd be different degrees of murder if he did it sober vs. in a drug-induced rage?

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181. "RE: am i the only one that thinks dude did it?"
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If Naz did it, he would of been way more bloody when he woke up.

  

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182. "tell that to the police."
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183. "That would be an interesting misdirection."
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So you think Naz is willingly being deceitful or he honestly don't know what he did because he was drugged up?

"Sean sparks like John Starks, nah, Sean ball like John Wall" - Rest In Power Forever Sean Price.

  

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192. "he's a good kid so i think he'd be f'd up if he knew he did it."
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plus we saw his reaction when he woke up and found her.

i think some piece of evidence is gonna come out that only he will recognize as a smoking gun, but he'll still get off in the end.

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184. "Oh I'm in this boat too "
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When he was recounting the events in court to the D.A. It did feel like his memory was coming back to him about what happened

  

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209. "I peeped that"
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I also thought some memories were coming back. I'm not completely sold that he isn't the killer.

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166. "The first possible lead other than Nas"
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2 white dudes arguing at the burial site

  

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169. "oh yeah forgot about that angle...wasn't one the stepfather?"
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174. "yeah i wonder who that second guy was..."
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Stone is doing better police work than the police lol

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187. "wasn't it the Vinny from Doogie Howser character? the same"
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who was at the rehab place and the funeral?

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201. "nah, it wasn't Vinny at the funeral"
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>who was at the rehab place and the funeral?

  

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512. "RE: wasn't it the Vinny from Doogie Howser character? the same"
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that wasn't vinnie from doogie houser at all..

i believe that's the guy who played joey tribiani's nephew in Joey (the Friends spinoff)

  

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217. "It was the brother that was walking with Boddie..."
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in the very beginning of the series in episode 1. He gave a sinister lil grin after Naz confronted them about the crazy comment Boddie made. This was right before Naz and the chick walked up the stairs.

That grin or smirk made me think he was familiar with her. Then, recall the cat was let out of that basement door. Dude broke into the house through that door; crept upstairs, and shanked her like Little Puppet was in "American Me". All of that was done while Naz was passed out.

I have been waiting to hear that another set of prints were prevalent at the scene.

  

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175. "Ya'll...."
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...got me amped to check this out......Sounds dope....

GOAT of his era......long live Prince.....God is alive....

  

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180. "ok legal: can a lawyer take a case pro bono and then try to charge"
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you bc you don't take their advice? seems wrong to me.

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186. "this case ain't free!!!! "
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there is a reason people hate lawyers...

fucking lying pieces of shit.

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188. "Yeah man some unethical lawyers on this show "
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I'm not sure how much I'm supposed to trust either her or Stone

Both have done some unethical stuff

  

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198. "What would be the alternative be? Signing a contract guaranteeing free "
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representation? Until when?

I foresee people being really unfair to Crowe. She got him a miracle deal, he agreed, changed his mind and then caught an attitude in the cell. CMon.

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199. "so taking a case pro bono means you run the show? "
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200. "Meh. She condemned the shit out of Stone for that same shit."
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>representation? Until when?
>
>I foresee people being really unfair to Crowe. She got him a
>miracle deal, he agreed, changed his mind and then caught an
>attitude in the cell. CMon.

Said all he does is make plea deals. Then she goes and does the same.

Can't blame the family that doesn't know shit about this world for being fired up about that.

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202. "right. she ain't even about justice, just the fame."
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that's why she took Naz case in the first place.

she's a social justice warrior lawyer. wanted to make it about the USA vs. Muslims.

Naz finally saw that in her said okay, you can bounce if you don't wanna fuck w/ me.

  

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204. "until the case is over?"
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193. "If there was any doubt before, i know for sure i ain't tryna spend 1 sec"
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in jail.

They should make lil fake bad asses watch this instead of having cons yelling in they face.

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197. "It's crazy how familiar faces make you react."
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I damn near yelled when I saw Omar as Freddy, but I almost threw my remote when Janish came out of that building.

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205. "when I realized it was sposed to be Gandolfini and Janice in the scene"
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the feels man


but yeah I hate Janice too lol

  

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206. "Janice was the worst"
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Tony's mom and wife were pretty horrible too, and the son, and the nephew. Damn.

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207. "Ahaha this always cracks me up."
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>Janice was the worst
>Tony's mom and wife were pretty horrible too, and the son,
>and the nephew. Damn.

Cause I more or less agree right. Which kinda speaks to the brilliance of The Sopranos in some weird way. Like by any and all reasonable measures, Tony was an absolutely DEPLORABLE human being right ? But the show made us love him and feel sorry for him anyway. Meanwhile in realistic terms, Carmela and Mrs. Soprano and Janice, etc., while they all did different levels of dirt themselves, they at least had moments of regret or remorse for most of their negative actions. Tony rarely did. But we all HAAAAAAATE those women. And love Tony unconditionally.

What a show. Now that I'm thinking about it Janice was always the worst of the worst. What brilliant casting.

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210. "not part of the family family but ralph cifaretto might be"
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the worst person on the show. but yes, tony is definitely a horrible person but being surrounded by so many horrible people makes him look good I guess.

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213. "Agreed entirely."
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The wife and I were just rehashing the "she was a hoo-ah, Tony" situation earlier tonite, funnily enough.


>RE: not part of the family family but ralph cifaretto might be
>the worst person on the show. but yes, tony is definitely a
>horrible person but being surrounded by so many horrible
>people makes him look good I guess.

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216. "Weirdly, here's an article about this exact subject..."
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more or less, published just today.

http://uproxx.com/tv/sopranos-bad-guys/

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214. "Tony was a POS"
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You loved him given what he did to Charles Dutton character, his nephew, his daughters black friend ?

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215. "Dude what"
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203. "why is stone still wearing those birkenstocks with the saran wrap?"
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Once he wraps up his feet with the crisco + seran wrap, they're protected. There's no reason to "air them out" with the sandels, in fact to me it would make more sense to wear regular shoes because it would help keep the shape of the wrap and ensure the ends dont come loose. (also this man is silk wrapping his feet, hilarious)

  

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211. "I also thought once he started using the wrap"
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"well at least he can put on some kicks now." I can't imaging the funk that must come from those feet once he unwraps them though. Yeesh.

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212. "i've decided i'm not gonna spend any more time"
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thinking about stone's feet.

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218. "^^^This"
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219. "I get it now. The feet want their own spin-off."
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Feet and the Cat, premieres after the GoT S7 premier.

It seems like we should've gotten to the detective work part of the show way before now. We have about 3 episodes left and they're just now realizing they don't know what happened and what to pin on him besides what it looks like.

Stone was an idiot for trying to track down dude with no assistance. And for trying to be sexually impressive to a hoe. She fucks all day, b. You're not gonna be the magical one to make her go crazy and quit the life.

Naz is losing himself in there. Good boy at the wrong place at the wrong time is full on drug muling now. Dude could get out tomorrow, and would probably owe Freddy for years.

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220. "Not so sure Nas is a good boy"
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I get what you're saying about detective work, but I think it looked so obvious in the beginning they didn't need to do all of the work they would normally do. They didn't expect it to go to trial, so now they need to do the work. they are really going wild with the feet. That was pretty stupid of Stone but I respect his gangtsa, that is quite the cliff hanger. I said this last week but I think this is now the second best episode next to the first.

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222. "Nas switched up quick as shit.."
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one thing we know is Nas is willing to risk it all to live in the moment.

He stole the car to go to the party
He drove all over manhattan and did drugs
He stabbed himself and ole girl to get some ass

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230. "Yeah, he killed me with that 'investigation'"
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>Stone was an idiot for trying to track down dude with no
>assistance.

It be one thing if he had something to offer; what he think the dude was going to do "Im gonna speak with you and possibly incriminate myself in this/other crimes because you happened to find me, yay?"

  

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221. "Why did Nas say there were 4?"
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The other kid also said there were 4 balloons. There were 3

This episode just opened up a whole new series of questions

  

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223. "unless Freddy had him say that to test the kid?"
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225. "Yeah that confused me too"
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227. "i believe Naz was covering for the kid. "
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i think there were 4 and that's what Omar (i can't help it) is expecting but Naz only drops 3 and realizes the kid kept one (maybe to self-medicate) so he sells the idea of 4 and that's why the kid nervously confirms there were 4.

now, how Naz is gonna deal w/ covering for the kid will create drama between he and Freddy.

  

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228. "It seemed like Freddy was only expecting 3 and the idea of 4 was"
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Only brought up by Naz and not Freddy.

I think Naz was just nervous and believed he had a 4th bag because he was clearly handed 3 by the other inmate.

  

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229. "damn.. i thought there were 4. why would Naz insist on 4 if it was 3?"
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is he trying to blow up the operation cause he doesnt want to get caught? Freddy said it was 3 but the new dude agreed it was 4.

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231. "Naz is shady"
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232. "maybe.. or he is surviving"
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playing chess kinda shows he knows how to think a few steps ahead...

i need to rewatch to see how many many bags he swallowed.

why would dude agree there was 4 tho? basically admitting he was trying to sneak shit past Freddy.

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248. "Why would Naz say he swallowed 4? He isn't going to magically shit"
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out a 4th bag. So when he doesn't shit out a 4th bag that will prove that Naz was wrong and it isn't as if Naz can simply say it must have broke inside him because that would probably result in him dying by OD.

  

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274. "i have no idea... I'm going to rewatch to see if I missed something"
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cause it doesnt make sense. Only think I can think is Naz is going to get Freddy to fuck someone up when he lies about shitting it the 4th bag and giving it to someone else

or he never shits out the bag and someone else will have to swallow them next time.

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235. "So what's Nas gonna do when no 4th pack is produced. "
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Unless the kid is going to have to get another one from the outside ASAP.


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236. "I thought I saw him (poorly) swallow 4."
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Like, how did 2 people staring directly at him not see that elementary school handoff, and him retching trying to swallow them?

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237. "of course YOU saw him..."
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and so did Stone.

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238. "right. when Stone said "if you get caught for this it's over...""
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or something like that he was talking about the drugs but people would assume he was talking about the potential lie of their being two guys.

because if Naz fucks up his squeakly clean image by getting charges behind bars there's no way he can get him off. jury wouldn't have it cuz he'd just look like any other criminal.

  

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239. "i rewatched. It was 3. And they both saw him"
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Chandra made it kind of obvious that she noticed. Stone is a pro, that's why he didn't show any reaction, but as mentioned above he warned Naz of the consequences.

  

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240. "I didn't know if she saw him or just has big eyes..."
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cause she is always doing the big eyes...

I love her features, real prominent, almost exaggerated.

why is this dude saying 4 and why did the other guy agree with him? What's the angle?

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246. "she's pretty fuck. she looks kinda like Rosario"
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314. "Nah, she saw him."
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316. "The 3rd swallow she gave him the "REALLY MY DUDE?" eyes"
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that scene was so dope...

is there anything else you are lying to me about?

"no" (blatantly swallows pack)

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241. "The chick hiding the drugs in her box ...."
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... couldn't have been more blatant if she tried. That was the most uncomfortable I've been watching TV in a long time.

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243. "my mother on law asked me if he had to swallow those? lmao..."
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those things were deep up in there...

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245. "no amount of grapes can prepare you for that"
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247. "prolly while he was gagging... "
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226. "for anyone who's experienced the justice system...this show is depressin..."
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and triggering as fuck

but so good

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244. "man i fell asleep last night and woke up and birkenfeet was chasing"
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a nigga through the hood??? gtfoh lol

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249. "Maybe it's me but I saw from the outset that Bodie's homey was the one"
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I'd be surprised if I was wrong (not VERY as Nas' clinked up behavior lends to some darkness) but the way dude just lingered with the stare after the dust up with Nas and the girl on the walk up to her place...I dunno.

Then Bodie keeping dude out of his story...last episode was like vindication for my instincts or something. lmao

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251. "nah, plenty of people said it was Bodi's boy"
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but like I said earlier, Bodi lying about his boy being there doesn't mean he is the killer. All it means is dude prolly has priors and Bodi isn't trying to be seen as a snitch.

..and first thing Stone does is say "BODI TOLD ME..."

I really hope DR isn't the killer tho.. that would be real lazy and predictable.

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252. "My guess: she was suicidal, got Nas high, asked him to kill her, which"
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he refused to do, and then got somebody we haven't seen yet (or maybe her shady step-father) to come do it for her while Nas was passed out downstairs.

  

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255. "my theory is she got Nas high, asked him to kill her... and he did"
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reason i say this is Nas has shown he can be easily manipulated and he jumps off the ledge if you push him hard enough.

but then again, he would prolly have more blood on him or blood on the shower knobs of he washed up before going downstairs.


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254. "yeah, that was the too obvious can't be/better not be him angle."
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256. "Law and Order has better plot twist than this scenario"
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i would be so angry.

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263. "I don't think it'll be that cut and dry"
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He might have had something to do with it or it'll be VERY hard to prove dude did it, which will make it interesting.

But I'd be pissed if it ended up being Nas too. That's just as obvious to me.

The fun in this is that he had no blood splatter on him in that mess of a crime scene and that strongly points to him being innocent.

Someone had to commit this crime in order for this to pay off IMO. It just has to be an incredible journey to vindicate Nas.

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257. "#217... I think the same about the homeboy!"
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Then, when the investigator came in from the outside and began to walk up the stairs before stopping to snap a shot of the counter top, I felt validated. LOL

Dude snuck in while Naz was passed the fugg out. He walked up the stairs and shanked the chick.

Naz is letting his inner beast out now only to survive but don't be confused by it. He didn't kill that girl.

  

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259. "why did the photo of the countertop make you feel validated? "
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what does that show?

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264. "it shows that someone could come in from the broken backdoor..."
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and go up the stairs w/out seeing Naz passed out in the kitchen.

that's why they got that angle and made sure to illustrate it in the show.

that said, Duane Reade is a red herring as fuck.

he didn't do it.

  

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266. "I wouldn't be surprised if they never do establish who did it"
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I also wouldn't be surprised if they never show Duane Reede again.

Because now ol' girl and Stone can just provide a believable alternate theory of the crime to the court: Naz was passed out, backdoor was broken/forced open, someone who saw the girl immediately before the killing has a history of B&E and using a knife, they find blood outside the back door, wound on Naz's hand came from breaking open the front door, chain of custody for the knife is all fucked up, witness who identified Naz lied to the police, etc.

I imagine they'll eventually establish that the knife probably wasn't even the murder weapon. And there's something going on with that Deer's Head. They show it too often for it to not have anything to do with what happened.

I will say that no matter if Naz is found guilty or innocent, he's going to be found guilty of GTA. 'Cause, technically, he did that shit. That might be the deal they end up cutting at the end.

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267. "there's a camera in there"
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>And there's something going on with that Deer's Head

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269. "Haha. That would kinda make weird sense"
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I was thinking someone else's blood is on the deer's head.

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272. "yeah. i'm very curious as to how they'll resolve it."
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will they go "happy ending" or, if this is a dark examination of the legal system like people say it is, will the go with a more common outcome of plea or (wrongful) conviction (assuming it wasn't Naz).

  

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275. "That's why I think it'll end with him copping to GTA"
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With the state offering the maximum on that charge and dropping the murder charges due to the various problems with case. That way, the state gets to save face by saying the still put a dangerous predator behind bars for some amount of time, but Naz doesn't go to the prison for the rest of his life.

I'm guessing Stone and the girl are going to be able to create enough reasonable doubt for the jury, but not enough to make it a slam dunk acquittal.

And I guess the twist would be if he has to take the same amount of time that he would have if he plead guilty earlier.

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279. "the only angle about GTA that doesn't make sense would be that "
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his pops would have to testify that he didn't give him permission. Pops don't look like he'd do that but maybe the other 2 co-owners continue to pressure the pops to do that.

If the family has enough financial pressure (the other 2 could sue) Naz might be willing to take that L.

That scenario actually makes sense now.

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286. "and, the outcome of a GTA conviction..."
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could be shown to be just as harsh because now this smart kid with a seemingly once-bright future is now a convicted felon.

it would go to show how just getting caught up in the U.S. legal system can have you fucked even if you're ultimately not guilty, all things considered.

i mean, i wouldn't be mad at that being the final narrative.

  

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299. "And I wouldn't be surprised if he catches 15 years for it"
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Or the same amount of time that he would've done if he had coped to the murder plea in episode #4.

At the very minimum, he could be convicted of GTA/Joyriding. Which, depending on the prosecution, could lead to up to a four-year sentence in NY. But if the state argues that he stole the car in order to commit another crime (which they seem to be suggesting with the DA angling for pre-meditation), the sentence would be even steeper.

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303. "this would be a cold twist"
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>Or the same amount of time that he would've done if he had
>coped to the murder plea in episode #4.
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319. "RE: the only angle about GTA that doesn't make sense would be that "
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>Pops don't look like he'd do that but maybe the
>other 2 co-owners continue to pressure the pops to do that.

Every day that cab is in impound, that's money out of the 2 other dude's pockets, for something they had no involvement with. I wouldn't be upset if they tried to get the cab back by following that clerk's advice. It all depends on how much the two guys care about Naz and him family I suppose. On the other hand, paying bills is paying bills.

The one thing I'm leary of in terms of them getting to cab back is that the clerk that gave them that advise wasn't aware the cab was being investigate as a potential crime scene involving the case. Since the cab is wrapped up in the case, I'm not sure charging Naz will expedite getting the cab out of lock up. Of course, the two other cab co-owners don't know that detail, so who knows how they'll proceed.

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312. "ahhhh, ok"
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302. "so his homeboy...comes into a crib...and violently stabs up a "
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broad who happens to be sleep....oh...and there is a dude in the bed too.... on some halfway OJ shit he leaves him alive

and takes nothing from the crib


just stabbing random yt girls up for GP


maybe dude is a psychopath serial killer.......

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250. "The part of the show that's fucking me up is how thoroughly black "
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Rikers is, in a city that's only 25% black.

I got a taste of that when I got a ticket for public urination about 6 years ago. That's a Broken Windows violation. When I went to the court (you can't just pay it, you have to go down) it was apparently the court dedicated to Broken Windows stuff: urination, open container, parking in front of a hydrant, that kind of thing. It felt like about 65% black, 30% Latinx, and one or two white people. Plus the guards and bailiffs were barking at everyone like we were all pieces of trash.

  

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253. "bro same thing happened to me..i got a summons for running a"
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stop sign but instead of giving me a ticket, homey gave me a criminal summons for disorderly conduct by creating a hazardous condition. I was in there with the same petty crap (some who were cuffed and bussed in from rikers) that you were and the racial breakdown was exactly the same as you said.

The JO was talking bout pleading guilty and paying a $350 fine...gtfoh...lawyer got me community service which mind you niggas was setting up ecstasy sales while cleaning the park smh.

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258. "HBO and producers in talks for a second season"
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my nigga from VCU did the write for TV Guide

http://www.tvguide.com/news/hbos-the-night-of-season-two/

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260. "They should let these guys take over True Detective"
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261. "curious of they end on a cliff hanger or move on to a new crime"
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I want them to keep the same cast because they are killing it.

but i also want to know who did it this season

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262. "They got two Wire alums, that's like a semi-built in success rate"
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265. "2 scenarios for them to keep the same cast"
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1) naz did it but gets off, gets in trouble again(but this time really innocent lol)
2) naz ain't do it, but does time

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268. "Said it above, no matter what, he gets found guilty of GTA"
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'Cause, you know, he did do that.

Maybe they have him do time for it, because he walks on the murder; they're pissed so they throw the book at him for "stealing" the car.

That would give them an opening to continue on with Naz's story.

But then again, if they stick with Naz, it becomes Oz Pt. 2.

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273. "damn... that could definitely happen"
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another thought is Freddy saying Nas confessed to his sentenced reduced.

I hate to say this but I enjoy the prison politics... HBO does jail stories really well.

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276. "I could see this happening:"
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>another thought is Freddy saying Nas confessed to his
>sentenced reduced.

Him or the guy who burned him and then Naz fucked up. Or even Sticky Fingaz.

>I hate to say this but I enjoy the prison politics... HBO does
>jail stories really well.

That they do.

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285. "Without knowing I would guess that's already commonly attempted."
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Wouldn't the jailhouse snitch need more to go on as proof?

  

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270. "my 2 scenarios"
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1) it ends right before the verdict
2) he is found guilty and plans to appeal

i like your scenario about veing set free and going out and committing a crime now that he has that prison mentality. Could also see Freddy manipulating him after he gets out since Freddy has people on the outside.

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277. "that's a good angle...damn."
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> Could also see Freddy manipulating him after he gets out since Freddy has people on the outside.

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280. "For folks that have Hulu"
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the British show this is based on Criminal Justice is on there. I haven't watched a second of the show yet but

SPOILER BELOW






































the British version has two seasons and it appears each season has a different defendant based on the thumbnail pictures I saw on Hulu. I guess HBO could go a different route and keep the same cast for the second season, but if they are consistent with the British show, it appears Naz' storyline only lives for this season.

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281. "wtf is in your DNA that makes yall do this? "
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why yall gotta spoil shit?

I appreciate the gap but cmon bruh.. delete this shit.

we 250 deep in here enjoying our imagination and you have to waltz in here and pop the balloons?

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282. "lmao fam as soon as i saw spoiler i was like wtf."
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sheeit, as soon as i saw dna in your subject i almost knocked over my monitor.

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284. "RE: wtf is in your DNA that makes yall do this? "
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>why yall gotta spoil shit?
>
>I appreciate the gap but cmon bruh.. delete this shit.
>
>we 250 deep in here enjoying our imagination and you have to
>waltz in here and pop the balloons?
>
>


HBO and the show runners are free to deviate from the show if they so wish, so your guess is as good as mine in terms of what will be aired on the second season. In addition, the British version of the show has been out since 2008 (the first season) and 2009 (the second season).

I don't see how I spoiled anything.

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287. "nigga you typed SPOILER BELOW... sityoassdown"
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288. "on his bryson tiller ish spolier not spoiler."
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290. "Is it good thing or a bad thing"
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that I have no clue who that person is?

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292. "its a bad thing... a very bad thing...lol"
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318. "LMAO are you serious right now? "
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fam wrote SPOILER big as day, meaning you ain't had to scroll down and look to see what he wrote. Everyone else can control themselves but you can't. it ain't like he told you what happens (and I know what happens so it's hilarious to reading all of ya'll hypothesis on what MIGHT happen). he could have easily said "SPOILER: BLANK BLANK BLANK AND BLANK" and ruined ya'll whole shit. you crying cuz he told you season 2 will probably be a different story since this is an anthology series in Britain.

you need to get laid.

  

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320. "I don't even know the direction"
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for the second season concretely because I'm of the opinion HBO could do whatever they want with the series, but if dude wants to get upset, that's alright. He controls his emotional state, not me, so it is what it is.

I have some questions for you; do know the outcome for this current season based on watching the British series or do you have knowledge of the HBO version? Also have you seen the British series yet? I'm mainly curious if it's worthwhile viewing or not.

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323. "well i looked into the British series "
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after I saw the first episode of this show, and so i ended up watching most of it at work. the first few episodes are basically shot for shot. i mean of course some things are changed because america vs britian but the premise and the story line are basically the same. in the british version he's white, and here he's muslim. so certain things have been changed.

but knowing the end doesn't affect the story for me because of the different dynamics in each story. it may NOT play out how the british version did (although most of the time when i watch a european show, it's the same as the american). also the british story was only 5 episodes, this is 8. because of the story specific issues encountered, it's still very much interesting to me. the end to me isn't the interesting thing, it's the story telling in between. how they will use Nas being muslim and pakistani to tell this story that was initially about a white man.

  

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352. "yall read the last chapter first ass niggas can kiss my ass"
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ole just close your eyes and cover your ears ass niggas...

foh

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362. "Read the last chapter first?"
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I haven't seen a second of the British series yet; I don't know how that series ends nor do I know how this series ends.

And I'm still of the opinion that HBO is free to deviate from the BBC series if they wish since HBO is HBO.

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506. "lol what are you even talking about? "
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so reading a book before a movie comes out OR seeing an original before you watch a remake is "reading the last chapter first." OKAY. You got it sir.

no i just rather see how the OG was presented and compare it to the American one because American versions of shows and movies is often times watered down because ppl like YOU are sensitive

  

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271. "Naz thought Riker's was going to turn into grown-up Summer Camp..."
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...after hooking up with Freddy.

Nope! All that protection costs you something, even if you think you're an untouchable bad-ass.

Seems like the show is going through all the NY '90s rappers with acting careers and HBO connections. Just need Fredro and Meth to show up.

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278. "how you punk someone by turning to ellen?"
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lol

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283. "I wanted to see Ellen shake her ass N E WAY"
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nigga, no you didn't...

and if Freddy gets transferred its a wrap.

Naz feelin like a gotdamn boss up in that bitch...

but I feel like Freddy about to disappear on his ass or leave him out to dry when you need it most.

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294. "lol exactly"
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289. "my $$$ is on Nas's brother for the murder"
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homie was real quick to go to pops

and his on screen impression is that he has something to hide

honor killing...?

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291. "How'd he get to the Upper West Side that late at night that fast with"
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no car?

  

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293. "he's a shaman"
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296. "In NYC, there's more than a few ways TBH"
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so fast...?

I got the impression the actual murder didn't happen until the early morning hours

Just a hunch

with all of the DNA that they got

could explain another suspect being a match

and the way he's being portrayed on camera

has he spoken a line yet?

his parents jumped right in

we haven't seen the brother interact with anybody

very distant/removed

makes me feel like he's hiding something

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295. "The recap of ep 5 on TVline.com says 4 packets not 3"
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http://tvline.com/2016/08/07/the-night-of-recap-season-1-episode-5-duane-reade-new-suspect/

Nope, I’m talking about that scene where our presumed-innocent inmate sits across from his legal team and surreptitiously tries to gulp down four grape-sized packets of drugs that had moments prior been extracted from the netherregions of a fellow prisoner’s mother.


I have to rewatch, coulda swore I saw 4.

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297. "anyone notice the cat run behind his dad at the end of the first ep?"
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is Stone allergic to the cat?

Nas is allergic as well and she let the cat out through the same door that doesn't lock.

Check out these fan theories. some good info I missed
http://www.refinery29.com/2016/07/116473/the-night-of-fan-theories#slide

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298. "I think the cat is supposed to represent death. Especially since it's "
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orange. That's the old Godfather trope (orange) plus the final scene of the Soprano's (big tiger painted on the wall of the restaurant where Tony is certainly whacked.)

  

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305. "thx.. i wonder if this means Naz is guilty and Stone gets murked"
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300. "I am so infuriatingly confused about the 4 bag/3 bag situation."
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I hope to god that is explained fully because it's driving me bananas.

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306. "ikr... im going to rewatch it when i get home."
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309. "Already did that. Just made me more angry haha."
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Hope you catch something I missed.

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301. "at what point do naz and the atty express their attraction for each"
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other?

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304. "i don't see it"
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307. "She can do infinitely better than Nas. Even before his current sitch,"
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let alone now that he's *likely* to go to jail (in the show universe).

  

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308. "she likes the baaad boys... "
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321. "right bc women never go down 3 or 18 notches."
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324. "Not in the way I mean, they don't. Nas is corny. She's fione. If she'..."
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going to get with a criminal it'll be a legit Live dude, not him.

  

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329. "he just swallowed 4 packs that were in a womans vagina..."
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that nigga live as shit

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331. "Exactly, he punking niggas to watch ellen"
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311. "cmon fam she's Hindu"
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He's Pakistani


major cultural beef there

  

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408. "hindu huh?"
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414. "Lolz xactly"
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373. "homie called to say goodnight....c'mon."
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they gon fall for each other...i just hope it ain't on some wack prison break tip lol

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310. "I counted 4 packs... but they only showed him swallow 3"
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I froze the frame and there was a 4th pack that was barely visible

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313. "Can you screenshot ?"
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I tried to do the same thing but only saw 3.

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315. "I will try tonight. i dont have hbogo on my phone. "
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3 are visible and I swear I see the sliver of a 4th under the palm of his thumb joint.


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317. "Word. Honestly though the subtle presence..."
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of a 4th bag would only serve to confuse me more, now that I think of it. Like why would the producers/writers purposely only show him swallowing three bags, and why would they only show the tiny corner of the 4th bag in his hand ? I don't understand.

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322. "i'm just assuming we ain't supposed to know for sure."
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maybe they want that ambiguity and knowing people got dvr and on demand they had to make it extra ambiguous lol

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325. "from reddit...4 packs"
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http://i.imgur.com/LZrjddI.png

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or DJing AND nightlife...
peep Opening Set Podcast
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326. "Ugh."
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327. "and if you print the image it is"
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scratch and sniff

  

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330. "lol. #4 pointing at a black hole. "
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328. "thx.. i just wasted 15 minutes trying to screenshot this shit"
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he hit the castor oil hard so maybe he swallowed 2 first... then one at a time

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332. "I didn't see the MRA thing with the hearse driver coming."
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333. "lol dude was hardcore"
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yarn lol

  

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338. "either did I, but it was a dope scene"
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ole girl was shook like shit.

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339. "why are they going to talk to these 'suspects' one on one? Why "
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are they even going to talk to them. You don't want them dudes to get sus and disappear. Just hit them dudes with a subpeona. At least you know the hearse driver would show.

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341. "prolly get better info when you pop up"
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she aint built for it tho...

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361. "It sucks dude is only a red herring."
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I wish dude served more in terms of the case. Not that I want him to necessarily want him to be guilty, but it stinks such a great performance won't mean much in the grand scale of things for the show.

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334. "Prediction: Freddy doesn't make it to the finale"
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363. "RE: Prediction: Freddy doesn't make it to the finale"
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i think naz going to kill someone in jail ...before the trail ends

*professional lurker*

  

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335. "was that crack?"
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Or heroin? I don't know shit about drugs.

  

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336. "also that moment with Stone and his eczema group was excellent"
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One of my favorite moments of the series thus far.

  

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337. "i'll answer!"
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they were smoking heroin. it's also called chasing the dragon.

  

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340. "dope"
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Coolin...

  

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342. "Feet Don't Fail Me Now"
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Stone brand new

  

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343. "ole girl wasnt impressed either.. lol"
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346. "What was that stuff? It looked exactly like Kratom"
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but i'm not sure what it was supposed to be

  

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344. "the first really UNrealistic thing happened for me last night."
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Naz getting knuckle tats right before he shows up in court?

nah.

not only is that the dumbest shit (especially timing-wise) outside of getting a face tat, but it's just not in his character despite the portrayal of him becoming a more "seasoned" prisoner.

  

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345. "That was the 1st???"
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How bout the cops taking a suspected drunk driver with them to answer a breaking and entering? Lol

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347. "Its weird that Freddy ain't on him for that that or for shaving his head"
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but he's all about the courtroom attire

  

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348. "exactly. Freddy know appearances are everything."
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but yet he's letting him get "SIN" tatted on his knuckles right before going on trial for murder.

i mean, god forbid the jury see you in a blue shirt but let em peep your knuckle tat, lol.

it's a small thing but really the first "not right" thing that stuck out to me so far. i guess 6 eps deep outta 8 w/ just that isn't bad, haha.

  

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353. "Naz' father showing up"
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delivering the younger lawyer's take-out bothered me the most. As big as NYC is, the odds of them running into each other like that are so small. It was a minor instance and was meant to show how the crime is affecting the family, but that took me out of the show a little bit.

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354. "You said it."
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>It was a minor instance and was
>meant to show how the crime is affecting the family,

Shouldn't take you out of the show. It's for dramatic effect, nothing more. And it made its point, and well IMO. Too small a gripe to spend time on IMO.

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356. "yup it def made the point...the big tip and him leaving was predictable"
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tho.

altho, dude probably lost a couple hours work giving her the food for free smh.

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358. "Agreed."
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>the big tip and him leaving was predictable
>tho.

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360. "RE: You said it."
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>>It was a minor instance and was
>>meant to show how the crime is affecting the family,
>
>Shouldn't take you out of the show. It's for dramatic effect,
>nothing more. And it made its point, and well IMO. Too small a
>gripe to spend time on IMO.


For the most part, the show has done a great job with the small details of the various aspects of living in NYC, so seeing something so unbelievable like that took me out of the show since it does a great job capturing NYC.

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364. "Word - I get what you're saying."
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355. "yo, I didn't even recognize him. Thx. "
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I wondered why he left the food like that.

Did she recognize him? I have a hard time reading her expressions.

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357. "yeah bruh, you the only person that didn't lolol"
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that's why it was awkward when she opened the door and why she was giving him $40 on a $18 meal

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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365. "lol, yeah.. when she gave him that look "
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I thought it was because she didn't order food or maybe Stone sent her some food with a note attached.

I be overthinking this shit.

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367. "You aint the only one"
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on that
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359. "RE: yo, I didn't even recognize him. Thx. "
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>I wondered why he left the food like that.

He was ashamed he currently has to do such a menial job to make ends meet. I can't imagine delivering take out pays nearly as well as the cab driver job he had.

>Did she recognize him? I have a hard time reading her
>expressions.

The total for the order was a little over $18. She grabbed a $20 bill and another bill to give him as a tip. It could have been another $20, but I don't remember.

So yeah, she knew who it was.

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366. "I didnt recognize him either"
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368. "i didn't either. i learned it was him this morning on a recap podcast."
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i thought the delivery dude acting strange at her door was about her being scared of strange men from her interaction with the hearse driver and that he left was just some more weird shit to wrap her mind around.

makes more sense now i suppose although i kinda liked it my way.

  

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369. "I also wondered if Nas was being smooth"
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and ordered that shit using the cell phone.

this show has me looking for shit that isn't there.

we spent 3 days wondering about the 4th packet and they never addressed it. lol...



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372. "haha i ain't even think about htat."
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370. "This is where I was with it"
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371. "damn."
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374. "Damn I'm kinda surprised people didn't catch this"
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I thought it was crazy obvious

  

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375. "yeah me too...cats must be watching on 13 inch boxes."
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383. "smh, I treated his pops like a typical delivery guy "
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376. "it's not too far fetched, as they could be in the same neighborhood"
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in Queens, culturally. Within the boroughs things can get small. A junior lawyer and a working class family could be in the same market for housing.

He aint commuting to Manhattan for a delivery job though. He's better off in the Bronx warehousing shit for $10-12 an hour. Hell he's got a license, FedEx pays more than that.

I stay feeling bad for the parents though. So much money lost between the cab, impound, and legal fees, ugh. So much money.

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377. "And, you know, their son is in jail awaiting trial for murder."
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>I stay feeling bad for the parents though. So much money lost
>between the cab, impound, and legal fees, ugh. So much money.

But ... the money though. Haha.

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379. "RE: it's not too far fetched, as they could be in the same neighborhood"
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>in Queens, culturally. Within the boroughs things can get
>small. A junior lawyer and a working class family could be in
>the same market for housing.

The lawyer and Naz' family aren't from the same culture and she lived in an apartment building based on what the camera showed from her hallway when Naz' father bounced, while Naz' family lives in a private house. You could be right, you could be wrong, I dunno, but I'm just pointing out some minor observations that negate what you posed as a theory.

>
>I stay feeling bad for the parents though. So much money lost
>between the cab, impound, and legal fees, ugh. So much money.

I truly feel bad for the other two guys that co-own that cab since they have no connection to Naz, yet they can't pay their bills because of Naz' screw-up.

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380. "Yea that's been a really interesting subplot to me."
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>I truly feel bad for the other two guys that co-own that cab
>since they have no connection to Naz, yet they can't pay their
>bills because of Naz' screw-up.

I've just been thinking like, yea, that's probably true and exactly how it really would/does happen in situations like this ... and that really blows.

Like, what exactly is their recourse besides what they tried to do when they sat down with Naz' pops ? And on the other hand, can any of us really blame Naz' pops for taking the position HE'S taking on the matter ?

Sad shit.

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381. "I bump into old friends all the time in NYC when I visit"
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shit is crazy. 8 million people and I see someone from PA or VA on a subway platform in BK or hailing a cab Manhattan.

It shouldnt happen but somehow it does...

unlikely but not impossible and makes for a better story.

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378. "RE: Its weird that Freddy ain't on him for that that or for shaving his ..."
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yeah makes no sense...it's also odd cause Freddy seems to want Naz to stick around (taking him to take the deal) but is also helping him (ie: court attire and lawyer advice).

I cant figure this shit out.

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349. "gross"
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350. "What does the mom say in the previews for next week?"
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The speed at which Nas is changing is a little fishy. Dude just gets gangster and starts smoking heroin. Step dad is weird, hearse dude is weird. I might have missed it, but no mention of what happened with bodie's friend? Dumb move to wear the mom's clothes.

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351. "The hearse driver said it best, Nas is easy to play with"
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382. "Shygurl was right, the show has a black people problem."
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I was prepared for there to be more black people in jail but damn if there isn't any black characters of any substance on the show who aren't worth a damn.

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384. "the show has a people problem"
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I fixed it for you.

No one comes off looking good on this except for Nas' parents and his 2 lawyers.

everyone else comes off like the pieces of NY shit that they prolly are...

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385. "LOL Hey!"
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Fuck you PAL!

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386. "I keep thinking "what if it was a black girl that got in the cab?""
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I wonder if he would have let her stay, too.

It was funny because at that point in the pilot I was like "oh, I bet you will let that white girl stay in the cab!" And then the prosecutor had the exact same thought when she reviewed the surveillance footage.

  

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388. "ionno, he was real pressed to go to that party"
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well, until she got in his cab.

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391. "He was pressed to find a chick at the party.. so one in the cab... "
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if she was black and attractive I think he would of rolled with it.

  

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390. "Lady cop is sharp. Stone's ex and son seem cool"
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There are only a few people on the show who aren't shitty

  

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387. "Prediction: Nas will be acquitted but will murder someone in jail and "
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catch a conviction behind that. Because his transformation into a Tough Guy is being drawn as something that will be irreversible, implying that he'll be in jail for a long time.

  

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389. "Sounds about right. "
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392. "yup"
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393. "So, uhh.. does that fall under attorney client privilege?"
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because I'm a little bothered that Chandra could be that dumb

and that Freddy hit tho

  

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394. "yeah that part was weird"
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Some great scenes on the stand in this episode. Looks like Nas's mom thinks he did it now. Stone could have been a little smoother follow on the stepdad. I have no idea who did it or what's gonna happen.

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398. "Didn't Stone soft hit on her and she aint turn away. She lonely"
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>because I'm a little bothered that Chandra could be that
>dumb
>
>and that Freddy hit tho

It was the scene where they are doing hella shots and he grabs her hand and she doesn't do anything about it and he cuts her off.

Im guessing if they cut out a bit of Stone's feet saga and gave us a glimpse of her personal life and that boyfriend breakup it would make more sense, lol.

  

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399. "she was 1 shot away from being sloppy as shit"
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404. "still weird cause it happened in jail with people around"
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she must be one of those people that can't be single.

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401. "hol up"
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>and that Freddy hit tho

Just so I'm completely clear, what are you referring to here?

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402. "How many hits were there ?"
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>>and that Freddy hit tho
>
>Just so I'm completely clear, what are you referring to here?

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403. "I misread what he typed there."
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I thought he was using a different meaning of the word hit; not the event that occurred at the end of the episode.


Nevermind; forget I asked anything.

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405. "Haha word."
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406. "she's like alot of nerdy broads...no offense to nerdy broads"
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props to Naz for figuring it out

it's like yo aged 10 years in a few weeks or however long he been down

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407. "someone called it a few weeks ago"
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you could tell she was wide open for that thug lovin

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415. "That joint was predictable...she was looki g prime with those big eyes"
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Niggas talking bout she hindu bruh lol

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422. "lmao"
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455. "those eyes look like they make piano key sounds when she blinks"
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395. "this show has gotten very very bad "
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396. "tonight's episode was a fucking masterpiece."
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hilarious this is going under a post saying the show has gotten bad.

how sway?

  

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397. "My prayers were answered."
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Feet: minimal
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Muhfuckas are finally starting to ask the right questions. It felt good to see points where both legal sides were stumped.

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400. "Yea I agree with you."
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If I were to say anything negative about last nite's ep, it would only be that it made me frustrated that we only got one ep left. Feels like there's still a million storylines they could continue to flesh out but they won't have time.

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409. "They're going to pissed everybody off with a fukin cliffhanger "
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I almost don't want to watch

Watch em do some shyt like show the judge about to read the verdict and start rolling credits


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410. "Dogggggggg I will lose my shit."
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And my wife may honestly murder someone.

I need this wrapped up in some way.

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411. "ha, its happening"
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412. "Im fear they are gonna give Nas a solid ending but not say the killer"
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>I almost don't want to watch
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>Watch em do some shyt like show the judge about to read the
>verdict and start rolling credits
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>Dallas Cavericks LETS GO!

  

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413. "i heard it's almost 2 hours long"
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“So back we go to these questions — friendship, character… ethics.”

  

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416. "I thought naz was about to slice dude personally."
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Shouldn't freddie be upset with naz for not saying any thing bout young boy

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417. "Nas thinks he is so damn smooth now"
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420. "Lol he is."
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He's getting bitches.
Swallowing dope like a champ.
Smoking dope.
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514. "maybe, but.."
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>Shouldn't freddie be upset with naz for not saying any thing
>bout young boy

Dude was still in the room..it was both of their facial expressions/body language that clued Freddy in..

I think he was giving him the benefit of the doubt for not wanting to snitch right in front of dude's face

  

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418. "glad i stayed with it. It's gotten much better"
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still very bad in places

but episode 7 was very good.

how parents deal with a child being charged with murder is one of the most interesting things this show got going... wish they dug into it more and not shit like the feet or cat, which are superfluous at this point.

they telegraphed ol' sexy big eyes needing the thug lovin, but it worked

also the hit, damn.

i can't believe this shit about to end and there is still no back story on the murdered woman...

whatevs

  

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419. "Elaborate, if you would."
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>but episode 7 was very good.

I love it but am interested to hear people's gripes with it.

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423. "the feet"
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thats my only gripe.



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508. "RE: sure"
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as I stated above, the premise is flimsy and unbelievable as hell. especially in light of this whole "Naz aint what he seems" angle they been taking. that to me is the writers not being clever but dishonest and just trying to play viewers for fools. this shit is 100 percent more interesting if we get this complex character from jump and then find him with a dead woman and he claims he didn't do it

furthermore, yikes at yet again killing another woman for narrative and providing her no backstory. sorry, as some one who really cares about representation, that shit is so typical and steeped in sexism. her backstory is fucn rooted in her aint shit ass stepdad, make it about her, HER. that's unique/interesting

which takes me to the BLACK PPL. for as much as legs and others wanna pretend it's not a prob, it is. For one when did NY get SO black (cinematically that is). there are Black folk everywhere and guess what they are all mean, angsty, conviving, evil Pieces Of Shit: all of em. Freddy for being interesting (and greatly acted by da gawd Michael K) is in the end a POS.

and then there is the Naz turn in jail. goodness. he done become a hard body, knows how to play the system long time jailbird REAL fast. come on B

and yet again, we can't have a woman, Chondra, not fall for Naz, or be lovelorn, do better writers...

then their is the art house procedural stuff... insert Bill Russell gif

this shit is C+ at best, but the last two episodes have been solid Bs

  

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421. "This show is like every immigrant parent's worst nightmare"
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I'm glad this wasn't on when I was growing up.

  

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424. "this atty needs to work on her game face"
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you can watch on mute and tell when she f'd up.

i thought the inhaler was going to be a much bigger gotcha moment than it actually was.

I hate watching court scenes where the lawyer are talking with a witness instead of asking questions.

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425. "she always looks surprised "
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its the big eyes...

i thought she was going to go in on the inhaler but she got served uo with the subconcious angle.

prolly shoulda stopped after saying the inhaler would make Nas look less like a killer.

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426. "Yea my wife turned to me and was like "was that good or bad" haha"
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>i thought she was going to go in on the inhaler but she got
>served uo with the subconcious angle.

And I was like ... kinda both a little bit ? She definitely put a bug in the jury's ear but when Box flipped it I think it ended up a wash, cause it's all about how the jury interprets the exchange, not solely about the actual evidence produced (sadly).

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427. "right it seemed like a wash, but if its your witness a wash is an L"
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bc its like you brought this guy back and acting all cocky but didn't prove anything. If thats the best you got.....smh

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429. "Yea for sure."
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That said, depending on which way the jury is leaning THEY may still view it as a W for the defense, even if we didn't see it that way as viewers. If that makes sense.

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432. "no you're right it makes perfect sense."
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All they or '1' needs is reasonable doubt. That might be enough for RD for one juror and the missing knife might be RD for another juror and so on.

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434. "Yea exactly."
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But I still think you were right too in that it was supposed to be a huge "gotcha" moment for the defense but ended up a lot tighter than expected. Pretty interesting look at how even the surest of shots aren't necessarily gonna go smoothly in court proceedings.

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436. "one of the things i love and hate about this show is that they don't"
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tell you all the lawyers arguments from jump, you hear them for the 1st time in the court room like a juror. So when naz and the lawyers are talking about the inhaler i got all excited, even though they never explained what angle they were going to take with it.

But then in court its just like, oh, that's it????

So a juror could have that perspective as well. Or like we said, it could make all of the difference for 1.

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438. "Haha yea you nailed it."
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It's equal parts great (well written/executed) and frustrating, for sure.

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440. "right frustrating bc there are so many great leads or avenues"
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in the story that they never fully development imo (unless they go back to it in the finale) like birkenfeet chasing bodie's boy, instead we watching this dude rub crisco on his feet smh.

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428. "What did you folks think about"
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the show making subtle flashbacks to the night of the incident and the crime scene during scenes was Naz was speaking? I think there were two or three instances in the most recent episode when the screen flashed brief shots of the night of the murder or when the woman was stabbed up for about two or three seconds while Naz was staring or talking to someone.

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431. "I need to watch again."
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I don't think they revealed anything tho. I do remember the same thing happened when he was about to plead. I'm kinda hoping that's how they reveal what really happened in the finale, even if the court case doesn't necessarily reflect the actual events. I think that would be the least corny/forced way to address/answer that question while still realistically reflecting what would truly happen in court in a case like this.

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433. "yeah, i think he has flashes of killing her while the jury"
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says not guilty.

Or flashes of killing her while he kills someone in prison(freddie)

I'm just trying to figure out if Naz remembers killing her all along or if its slowly coming back to him.

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453. "^^^^^"
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430. "Freddie gonna stop trusting naz and attack him, but naz will"
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kill him in self defense the night before the jury returns a not guilty verdict. Season 2 Night of will be about what happened the night of Freddie's death.

Oh, and Chandra and Naz a couple in season 2 lol

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450. "is there definitely going to be a season 2?"
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“So back we go to these questions — friendship, character… ethics.”

  

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454. "oh i have no idea and i don't necessarily wanna know either lol"
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I have tried to avoid everything about the future of this show to keep the surprise of this season in tact

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435. "Did we know naz' tattoo said Sinbad all along?"
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i remember freddie asking him about aladdin or sinbad and naz saying sinbad but i can't remember if that was the tattoo scene or nah.

anyway this what wiki said about sinbad

During his voyages throughout the seas east of Africa and south of Asia, he has fantastic adventures going to magical places, meeting monsters, and encountering supernatural phenomena.


Sounds like rikers to me lol

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437. "nobody brought up the possible serial murder?"
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Box is at another scene and says it's the same m.o.

Why don't these attorneys know about it?

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439. "Because Box thinks he has his man... SMH"
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Frustrating as all hell. And it happened uptown where Duane Reade lives.

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441. "i didn't put all that together"
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>Frustrating as all hell. And it happened uptown where Duane Reade lives.

but its not really the same m.o. Killing someone in the street vs. their home. it didn't look like she was sliced up as bad as the original vic either but i could be wrong.

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442. "i'm not sure that he's sure"
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“So back we go to these questions — friendship, character… ethics.”

  

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443. "i'm not sure he cares."
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he's not in a position to have doubts...he just playing his part to secure a conviction.

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445. "I tend to think you're right, BUT..."
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the way they shot him alone at his retirement party, interspersed with the hit at the jail, makes me think that he's not only down because of his retirement / being bothered at the party, but also because he's not 100% sure he nailed his final case.

That's just a theory, 100%. But that could be at play I think.

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446. "^^^ yeah I caught that too, I took it as reflecting on his career"
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it's hard not to make real life correlations from a TV show

imagine how many suspects he railroaded just to clear a case...?

ol' girl established his initial doubt with how they treated Naz at the precint

^^^ I was rooting for homie to bolt out the front door when he started playing musical chairs

I'd have to watch again to be sure, but the victim in this episode looked like a minority

i.e. yt girl made the front page

but IMO, he knows

his gut told him Naz wasn't the guy

and now with this additional murder, it's not something that he can walk off into the sunset and feel good about.



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447. "Yep. Agreed completely."
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449. "i saw thhat at the retirement party but i took it more as that"
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the job was his life and now what does he have?

that's was just me looking tho, not really based on anything.

i'm inclined to disagree about the him having doubts part, bc of how he testified on the stand...he was cool, calm and even seem disinterested or not overly concerned. It was kinda nonchalant. I think this being his last case even moreso he wanted to get over and closed asap so the first neatly wrapped suspect was gonna be that dude. I don't think he really sweating over whether naz was innocent or guilty. He didn't even bat an eye when chandra was discussing the other suspects he didn't interview.

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451. "Word. All solid points."
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452. "A couple of things; the evidence >>> confession line was telling"
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in that it leads to the question

how many confessions have you gotten that were contradicted by the actual evidence

and then of course the inhaler

it didn't fit.

he could have used that leverage during interrogations

but he didn't

i.e. he probably could have gotten a confession from Naz if he played some of the angles

but he didn't

is that because the evidence doesn't support Naz being the killer

?

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457. "But the evidence overwhelmingly suggests that he was the killer. "
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>in that it leads to the question
>
>how many confessions have you gotten that were contradicted by
>the actual evidence
>
>and then of course the inhaler
>
>it didn't fit.
>
>he could have used that leverage during interrogations
>
>but he didn't
>
>i.e. he probably could have gotten a confession from Naz if he
>played some of the angles
>
>but he didn't
>
>is that because the evidence doesn't support Naz being the
>killer
>
>?


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458. "does it?"
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to a layman, yeah sure, he looks guilty as fok

I'm talking about a career homicide detective

motive?

no visible signs of a struggle

no blood on his clothes

etc...

remember, the police have him detained for hours before they even make the connection

but what I think is most troubling for box is how Naz behaved

again, from the perspective of a career homicide detective

if Naz is guilty

I'm sure it's strange for him to be so calm and collected while at the murder scene

he just kinda hangs around

from a reply above, in the first eps, there were more than a few chances for him to run

but he doesn't react at all

until they officially charge him

why is there no blood on the inhaler?

if Naz did the murder, wouldn't you expect at least his hands to be covered in blood?

but here is this pristine inhaler, with no blood on it

?

why would he break back into the house, but leave the inhaler

?

why would he break back into the house and risk getting caught

?

IMO, if Naz had done it, he would have confessed

his DNA is all over the scene, but there's more questions that don't have answers, if you think he did it

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459. "Yeah the evidence points to him"
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He was chilling at the station until he fmgot id'd and they found the knife. Those were the biggest pieces of evidence.

Once a dt gets a suspect, they try to find evidence that supports that suspect, not try to find out if there is another alternative. If the evidence doesn't support, they'll move on to another suspect.

From the police and DA perspective, there was more than enough evidence to get an indictment and guilty verdict.

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461. "RE: reply 445"
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right, got it, we know how this works

what we're considering is a career homicide detective with one foot out of the door

of course they could slam dunk Naz for the murder

but it's clear through his character that this case isn't sitting well with him

and, I would assume, for all of the reasons that I typed in the above reply

the evidence does implicate Naz, for sure

but it also reinforces his version of events, doesn't it...?

what I'm saying, IRT a career homicide detective

is that he knows from the very beginning that alot of things don't fit and don't add up

and we can start with Naz just chilling in custody

being brought back to the murder scene

and never reacting

I would expect a career homicide detective to be able to read a potential suspect

they are trained to pick up on tells

IMO, Naz didn't give any away

until he was charged

is he a cold blooded experienced killer who knows how to work the angles

or, in contrast to the evidence, does his story make more sense

that's what we're debating IRT Box

not that he can't get the conviction

but his instinct is telling him that Nax didn't do the murder.

+1, with the additional body that nobody is talking about

we'll see if that triggers additional events with Box to actually act on Naz's behalf

i.e. let it be known that there is a possible serial killer

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464. "this isn't clear"
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>but it's clear through his character that this case isn't sitting well with him

he doesn't seem bothered by the case imo...he seems bothered about retiring to me.

And as far as naz chilling and never reacting this is false too bc he asked 'is she dead'. that is being used against him as well.

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470. "that was the whole point about the inhaler fam"
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I'm not sure if you read through the replies

if Box is convinced this is his guy, a cold blooded murderer

why would he be concerned about his health

and why would he break protocol and remove evidence from a crime scene

?

+

they established a time frame for how long it took to charge him

if, as you say, all of the evidence points to Naz, why let him just hang for so long

if it was to get a confession, not giving Naz his inhaler could have been used as leverage

some of those insinuations came out during cross, and he got very defensive

it gives the impression that he knows Naz isn't the guy

the moral play now is does he railroad Naz and live with that on his conscious

or does he do right in his last case

?

I think the character's conflict is evident

I think you missed the point of Naz asking 'is she dead'

^that's not normal for a murderer

if he murdered her, why would he ask if she's dead

if he's this cold-blooded killer, why would he express concern for his victim only moments after killing

^ the question doesn't fit, that was the point

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471. "^ agreed."
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474. "RE: that was the whole point about the inhaler fam"
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>I'm not sure if you read through the replies
>
>if Box is convinced this is his guy, a cold blooded murderer
>
>why would he be concerned about his health
>
>and why would he break protocol and remove evidence from a
>crime scene

The defense reasoning is bc box felt the inhaler doesn't fit. If that is true, that doesn't mean box has his doubts. That means its just one piece of evidence that doesn't fit HIS theory of how it went down. He obviously was lying about being concerned for his health. He's never once expressed his doubts about NAz being the killer, and despite his melancholy about retiring there's nothing specific that points to his having doubts.

>they established a time frame for how long it took to charge
>him
>
>if, as you say, all of the evidence points to Naz, why let him
>just hang for so long

Once the evidence that pointed to him, they arrested him, booked him, gathered more evidence and tried to get a confession. What was supposed to be different?

>
>if it was to get a confession, not giving Naz his inhaler
>could have been used as leverage
>
>some of those insinuations came out during cross, and he got
>very defensive
>
>it gives the impression that he knows Naz isn't the guy
>
>the moral play now is does he railroad Naz and live with that
>on his conscious
>
>or does he do right in his last case
>
>?
>
>I think the character's conflict is evident
>
>I think you missed the point of Naz asking 'is she dead'

I obviously understand why Naz asked if she's dead, but to the police that was evidence of how he knew info he shouldn't have known.

>
>^that's not normal for a murderer
>
>if he murdered her, why would he ask if she's dead
>
>if he's this cold-blooded killer, why would he express concern
>for his victim only moments after killing
>
>^ the question doesn't fit, that was the point

i still don't see anything that box has said/done that points to him having doubts about Naz' guilt or feeling bothered for 'railroading' him.

Being generally sad when doing things that have nothing to do with the case ain't it.
Giving naz the inhaler ain't it either.

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479. "I can't be more clear, that's the entire implication with the inhaler"
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"The defense reasoning is bc box felt the inhaler doesn't fit. If that is true, that doesn't mean box has his doubts. That means its just one piece of evidence that doesn't fit HIS theory of how it went down. He obviously was lying about being concerned for his health. He's never once expressed his doubts about NAz being the killer, and despite his melancholy about retiring there's nothing specific that points to his having doubts."

well no, that's exactly what it means

whether you think his concern is genuine or not is moot

the idea is, if you believe the evidence is strong enough to convict

and/or not investigate other leads, etc...

you wouldn't have to manipulate the crime scene

and the inhaler would fit your theory

i.e. it doesn't, so he removed it

that is Box expressing his doubt, otherwise it would have stayed

"Once the evidence that pointed to him, they arrested him, booked him, gathered more evidence and tried to get a confession. What was supposed to be different?"

yeah, that's not what happened

he sat

for AWHILE

violent murderer just hanging out at the precinct

if Box was convinced, like I said, there were angles he could have played to pressure a confession

that's not how he played it, again, that is how he is expressing his doubt

what would have went different, IMO, once again, is Box could have leveraged all of the evidence into convincing Naz to confess

even if he didn't do it

he was disoriented enough, IMO, that Box could have gotten that confession if he pressed

he didn't.

"I obviously understand why Naz asked if she's dead, but to the police that was evidence of how he knew info he shouldn't have known."

well, he didn't know, right...that's why he asked

he panicked at the sight and bolted

she could have very well survived for all he knew

i.e. if he killed her, why would he ask if she's dead?

"i still don't see anything that box has said/done that points to him having doubts about Naz' guilt or feeling bothered for 'railroading' him.

Being generally sad when doing things that have nothing to do with the case ain't it.
Giving naz the inhaler ain't it either."

last time

as per this part of the thread

we're considering Box's character as a career homicide detective

you're just discarding these irregularities as nothing to see

we're saying, homie's been slam dunking dudes for decades

this case is a layup

and he's making conscious mistakes

you want him to vocalize his doubts

but he's doing it with his actions

as per the beginning of this reply, he could have easily leveraged some sort of confession out of Naz that first night, IMO

he didn't = expressing his doubt.

evidence >>> confession

he could have gotten that confession, IMO

but his initial doubt told him not to

and now the evidence will support his instinct not to press

as pieces don't fit, and other suspects come into play

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480. "This is wrong"
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>you wouldn't have to manipulate the crime scene

There is always evidence or something that doesn't necessarily fit that a cop or prosecutor would want to eliminate or disregard. Obviously, they don't usually taint or remove evidence but it doesn't mean they doubt that person's guilt. It just means that they don't want it to be something the jury knows about.

>well, he didn't know, right...that's why he asked

he panicked at the sight and bolted

she could have very well survived for all he knew

i.e. if he killed her, why would he ask if she's dead?

this doesn't make a lick of sense.

Like the cop testified, killers do dumb stuff all the time. Besides that, he coulda thought he killed her, and stupidly wanted confirmation that she was dead.

In any event, in the cops and box's eyes that made him look guilty.

1)how he know it was a murder scene
2)how he know the victim was a she

>as per the beginning of this reply, he could have easily leveraged some sort of confession out of Naz that first night, IMO

this is all you got as far as his doubts?

he tried to get a confession and failed. Once he had the mountain of evidence he moved on.

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481. "LOL, to summarize, I could've gotten a confession out of Naz"
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the night of

one of many examples listed that illustrate doubt, IMO

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482. "How?"
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by telling him he could go home to his mommy if he confesses?

The writers not showing him going hard for a confession (despite the interrogation that he did do) does not mean box had doubts about his guilt for certain. Neither does the inhaler part.

Its a theory like any other we have running through this post but you talking bout it like its accepted fact that that's why he looking sad at his party.

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484. "easy, and again, you continue to downplay the decades of experience"
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that Box has

I'm sure he could foresee some of the issues that have arisen since Naz has gone to Rikers

he could play up that angle

make it easy on your family, on your community, your parents are going to go broke with a trial, the shame that will shadow your family, your brother at school, etc...

also, to the mountain of evidence

we've got you at the scene, with the weapon, with her blood, etc...

like I said, he was clearly disoriented

no inhaler

and sleep deprived

an experienced detective like Box could have gotten him to confess to the JFK assassination

you're also discounting this being Naz's first criminal offense

he comes across very naive

that is, Box could have even thrown in some lies that Naz wouldn't have been able to defend

we've got a wit

there was a security camera in the house

etc...

yeah, I'm pretty confident a less experienced detective would have cracked Naz

and I can't think of what else to attribute Box's inability to do so

other than, he doesn't want another conviction of an innocent suspect on his last shot.

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483. "this is kind of the key point:"
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>the idea is, if you believe the evidence is strong enough to
>convict

because Box said he'll trust evidence over a confession every time.

BUT

he didn't. he manipulated the evidence and he took the manipulated evidence and tried to USE it to manipulate a confession from Naz.

  

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485. "did he use the inhaler to try to get a confession or no?"
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i can't remember and i thought bentagain was saying he didn't do that?

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486. "I'm saying with-holding the inhaler is one angle to leverage a confessio..."
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honestly, if you want to just focus on the inhaler

I think Box made his mind up at the crime scene

whoever this inhaler belongs to isn't the killer

IMO, that's why he removed it

it looks out of place in the crime scene

and w/o any knowledge of what happened, looks disconnected from the killer because it doesn't have any blood on it

but he could have just dangled it Naz's face and told him to confess to get it

or let him have an attack and then make a confession contingent upon getting his inhaler

but he didn't

he didn't do any of that

he just gave it back to him

like...hey killer, I think you dropped something back there next to the dead girl...

again, which is one of many examples, IMO, that Box doubts his guilt

now having thought over the transaction, I'm convinced Box made that decision at the crime scene

it doesn't have as much to do with Naz specifically

other than it's his inhaler, and I'm assuming Box can tell that it didn't belong to whoever did this.

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491. "lmao that's an epic reach fam"
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>I think Box made his mind up at the crime scene

whoever this inhaler belongs to isn't the killer


Do you understand that sometimes there something at the scene that doesn't fit, or something about a suspects character that doesn't fit and they can still be guilty?

like can you admit there's a chance that box thought and still thinks that naz is the killer, but removed the inhaler simply bc it didn't fit with what he thinks he knows.

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493. "i agree w/ you."
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Naz could have done it. It could be his inhaler.

Box just thought the crime scene looked "cleaner" w/out it there AND it's not like he didn't at least document its existence.

i disagree w/ bentagain. i think he took it because it was documented and he already decided it belonged to Naz and figured by being a "nice guy" to Naz he could get him to confess. i don't think he saw it and said whoever this inhaler belongs to is NOT the killer.

  

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489. "i mean, not in the direct way:"
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like "look Naz, your inhaler is at the scene we have you dead to rights just confess"

but along the lines of:

"look Naz, i know you're struggling w/ this, i brought your inhaler - i'm a good dude, just talk to me and tell me what happened."

despite my Freddy theory below, what Box really fucked up by taking it is that we don't even know if that's Naz's inhaler. it's assumed, and Naz didn't go "this isn't my inhaler" when he gave it to him, but most inhalers are pretty standard looking, even in color a lot of the time. it looked exactly like the inhaler the doctor gave my kid when he had a bronchial infection (same color and everything). so it COULD have been someone else's and by giving it to Naz everything is contaminated as far as someone else's DNA that might have been on it.

i actually doubt it's Naz's inhaler and always have because of the circumstances required for it to end up there compared to there being no blood on Naz AND no blood on the inhaler. if it's Naz's it was placed there after the murder. if it's not, it was dropped by the killer on the way out.

  

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490. "ehh, I like my explanation better...HAHA"
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Naz has the murder weapon on him

and there is never any doubt whether he was there

and/or that there wasn't evidence that puts him at the scene

they've got a wit of him breaking back in

and Bodi puts him there prior

using the inhaler to test if he was there or not, isn't even necessary

my theory, is that Box makes a snap judgement at the crime scene

who's ever this is, didn't do it.

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465. "That's actually not true at all."
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>Once a dt gets a suspect, they try to find evidence that
>supports that suspect, not try to find out if there is another
>alternative. If the evidence doesn't support, they'll move on
>to another suspect.

At least when it's a good detective. In many (I'd say most) cases, detectives/investigators have 2, 3, 4+ suspects being questioned and followed up on at one time, for various reasons. If you don't keep an open mind, you risk losing a suspect to flight risk or something else.

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473. "we talking on tv or real life?"
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>At least when it's a good detective.

on tv, sure you got detectives really trying to find the right guy(on their L&O)

In real life, if substantial evidence is pointing to one guy (eyewitness sees them at the murder scene with victim, probable murder weapon found on the suspect, victim's blood, etc) they are going to focus all their attention on gathering more evidence that fits that individual.

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503. "^^BINGO I think that's the point of the show."
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The role of the system is to keep moving. Justice is just an abstract concept.

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505. "i agree...naz was a innocent albeit foolish young man and now the"
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system created a drug using murder accomplice. If there are further seasons, i think it'll be about the new naz tryna assimilate.

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444. "True."
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463. "RE: possible serial murder? - I think you read this wrong"
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He's not saying or implying that it's the same killer...he's just commenting on the fact that a black woman is killed in a similar fashion as the victim of the other case and there's no media in sight. Nobody cares cause she's Black and from a poor neighborhood.


>Box is at another scene and says it's the same m.o.
>
>Why don't these attorneys know about it?

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472. "well no, I got the part of the minority victim not being a headline"
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but his first line is...

...same m.o. as the andrea case...

I'm assuming it's his discretion to make the serial killer angle known

or sit on it, and let Naz be prosecuted

obviously, the victim being a minority plays into that dilemma

otherwise, it would be front page, right

I didn't think he was being sarcastic

as Box doesn't seem capable of humor, IMO

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475. "from 441"
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>but its not really the same m.o. Killing someone in the street vs. their home. it didn't look like she was sliced up as bad as the original vic either but i could be wrong.

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448. "I did... but didnt think anything of it"
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when he got the tat SIN i told my wife he was on some love hate radio raheem steez...

still not sure why he would get them but he gets high, swallows drugs and seduces attorneys so ionno..

but i would def love to have her as my attorney, i feel like she is going to go above and beyond to get this thug lovin.

i wonder if kissing him on camera will fuck up her career.

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456. "So I am doubting there will be a dramatic court room moment. "
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And I don't think I've seen anything that gets him off...but damn that court stuff was great.

Unlike most court room dramas, it was hard to get a read whether the evidence presented really helped or hurt Naz. The stuff between the DA and the smug expert witness? Great stuff that probably had no bearing on the case.



>http://www.hbo.com/the-night-of
>
>The first Episode of this series is now available and this
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>
>Could you imagine waking up after a 1 night stand and the
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460. "The most WILD (but maybe best) theory I've had yet: Freddy set Naz up."
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Remember, Freddy said to Naz that he has lots of people in the streets.

Freddy also said that Naz was the kind of dude he's been looking for, a really smart dude (who he can also mold).

I mean, why did he latch on Naz immediately? Why "save" Naz and do all this stuff for him unsolicited. edit: i realize ultimately Freddy did ask of him but that's part of the manipulation. what i mean is why even offer it to Naz?

We know Andrea was basically a broke, drug addicted chick whose only real assets were her looks and her crib that was left to her.

Is it so far fetched to think that maybe she owed Freddy money for drugs that she couldn't pay. Maybe Freddy offered her some kind of deal where if she finds a "smart" dude he'll forgive her debt w/ her not knowing his real intentions. In my experience drug addicts don't often think things through they just want that next high.

Maybe Duane Reade is the killer, and is one of Freddy's "people in the streets" and that's why he and Bodie almost intentionally interacted w/ them (cuz really, it's a free world and all but two dudes like Bodie and Duane Reade really don't have business in that hood like Box was saying) and why he gave her that LONG look before walking away cuz he knew he had business to take care of.

I mean, it sounds so far fetched at first, but the more I thought about it the more that it seemed like the best theory because the hearse guy, though creepy as fuck, was such a random encounter and the step-dad would have to know that they'd look at him right away as a potential suspect once they found out about the financial stuff.

I'm gonna laugh my ass off if I'm right. Can't wait to find out this Sunday.

  

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462. "that actually kinda make sense. I think there are some holes to"
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plug, but the theory in general makes sense. That was pretty thoughtful.

I'm tryna figure out how/why it doesn't make sense...

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467. "yeah. it's not like Naz was THEE target..."
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he just happened to be the guy she "found" or whatever the deal was and she used her "powers" to seduce him and then Duane Reade took that opportunity.

Another thing I just thought of: didn't they say this was Reade's M.O...that he had been in jail for stabbing a few different folks? so, he very may well have been at Rikers WITH Freddy on one or more occasions.

the ONLY thing throwing me off this theory is the stabbing death of that woman (that was Stone's prostitute friend, right?) last episode and how it relates to the whole story since the cops insinuated it was similar to Andrea's death.

  

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476. "oh was it?"
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>the ONLY thing throwing me off this theory is the stabbing death of that woman (that was Stone's prostitute friend, right?)

I didn't think that...but i didn't really look at her

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478. "i thought it was but it was hard to get a clear look at her face."
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466. "that would require way too many coincidences..."
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would be bugged out but wouldn't really make sense.

My guess is stepfather hires Duane to kill the girl. They are in the neighborhood cause he's there to scope it out. he sees her enter the house with Nas and sees an opening to do it, and have it pinned on someone else. he does the job, leaves and has Bodie go back to check things out and act as a witness that she was with an "Arab" guy. they figure he will take the wrap and that's that.

Freddie sees the case while in Rikers and takes his opportunity to bring a newbie jailbird under his wing...he gets his smart college boy.

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468. "word. yeah i don't disagree w/ you either. so many possiblities."
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477. "what arre the coincidences?"
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Freddie knows the girl and reade from the outside or prison.

Both owe him favors.

He tells homegirl to get some impressionable dweeb high/passed out and take him to her crib
He tells Reade to kill the girl in the crib while dude is passed out.
Hell, maybe Bodie is in on it too which would explain why he said he was alone and wouldn't give any info about what he was doing there(doesn't explain him giving up reade to stone except to try to save himself)

The only coincidence is shorty running into Naz but that is a coincidence regardless lol

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487. "Would the girl look for that type of dude behind the wheel of a taxi tho..."
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492. "maybe she was just looking for a ride to a different location."
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all she had to do was find a herb and get him to her crib.

He showed he was that impressionable by letting her stay in the cab

But like i said its a big coincidence that they crossed paths regardless.

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509. "dude, he's not a Herb. that was some BS red herring"
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lazy writers gave us in the beginning of the show

are you even watching? your replies to benta above seem to say naw, lol

Naz transfered schools (good to "bad") for no seemingly good reason, he had been violent in school, sold hella drugs, and seems to lowkey be about that life in the pen: tats, part taking in drugs, participating in hits... even his momma wondering who this boy is

again, that girl wasn't like look a herb in a taxi, i can pay off my debt, lol. there is nothing in the show that tells us about her motivations that night CAUSE THE SHOW HASNT WASTED ONE MINUTE to try to give her a real back story

  

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525. "dude was a herb, that's the whole reason stone picked him out"
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in the prison.

he was not about that life, which is why he getting hemmed up by box for all the evidence in the world while he talking bout he just wanna go home.

Stone detailed all of that in the closing.

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535. "Right, agreed. The stuff about his past ..."
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... and getting kicked out of school was the red herring, if anything. That, to me, was more the writers trying to show how prosecutors can and will take any and every piece of information about a person and use it against them to try and strengthen their case.

>in the prison.
>
>he was not about that life, which is why he getting hemmed up
>by box for all the evidence in the world while he talking bout
>he just wanna go home.
>
>Stone detailed all of that in the closing.

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538. "right"
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>was more the writers trying to show how prosecutors can and will take any and every piece of information about a person and use it against them to try and strengthen their case.

We saw who naz really was in episode 1, a shy/not street smart kid. Even his first few days in prison...he didn't fit in off the bat and he never would have fit in if not for Freddie.

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469. "This a good one."
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488. "Nah, not buying it."
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She have to have the foresight to try to take a ride in a cab that night from someone who wasn't an actual cab driver.

Then he'd have to count on that someone not to get away clean that night. Naz likely would've gotten away with it if he didn't a) forget his keys and b) get pulled over for making an illegal left turn.

You could say that Bodie and Duane Reede could have identified him to the police later, but that seems pretty dicey too.

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494. "RE: Nah, not buying it."
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>She have to have the foresight to try to take a ride in a cab
>that night from someone who wasn't an actual cab driver.

It didn't have anything to do w/ Naz. He just happened to be the "smart guy" she ran across.

>Then he'd have to count on that someone not to get away clean
>that night. Naz likely would've gotten away with it if he
>didn't a) forget his keys and b) get pulled over for making an
>illegal left turn.

>You could say that Bodie and Duane Reede could have identified
>him to the police later, but that seems pretty dicey too.

you answered your second point right here. i don't think that Bodie and Duane just HAPPENED to be there - as least for this theory.

and, it's just a theory. i got other theories too because they've done such a good job of mixing it up.

  

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495. "Why would she got looking for Smart Guys in Cabs?"
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Just go to the local university.


It's a dumb theory y'all.


>>She have to have the foresight to try to take a ride in a
>cab
>>that night from someone who wasn't an actual cab driver.
>
>It didn't have anything to do w/ Naz. He just happened to be
>the "smart guy" she ran across.
>
>>Then he'd have to count on that someone not to get away
>clean
>>that night. Naz likely would've gotten away with it if he
>>didn't a) forget his keys and b) get pulled over for making
>an
>>illegal left turn.
>
>>You could say that Bodie and Duane Reede could have
>identified
>>him to the police later, but that seems pretty dicey too.
>
>you answered your second point right here. i don't think that
>Bodie and Duane just HAPPENED to be there - as least for this
>theory.
>
>and, it's just a theory. i got other theories too because
>they've done such a good job of mixing it up.
>


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515. "RE: Why would she got looking for Smart Guys in Cabs?"
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Right?

and why would Freddy waste his resources on such a quest in the first place... i'm sure there are plenty of other impressionable young newbies coming into the cell block on a regular basis.. no need to go all out of his way to frame an innocent person he has no previous connection to at all..

  

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496. "he woke up with the dead girl there after they did drugs"
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had sex, and played games with knives.

Chances are the evidence is going to point to him lol

>>Then he'd have to count on that someone not to get away clean
>that night. Naz likely would've gotten away with it if he
>didn't a) forget his keys and b) get pulled over for making an
>illegal left turn.

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501. "Relying on Bodie to lead them to Naz is a big reach"
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So let's say Naz doesn't forget his wallet, doesn't make the illegal left turn, and successfully skeedaddles back home.

At that point, all the cops would have to go on is Bodie's ID of the guy. He doesn't seem like a particularly reliable witness (Also, when the cops did take him in on the show, he didn't exactly do so willingly). So let's say he is able to give him some sort of ID, it's still looking for one "towel head" is a city of 9 million. There's no murder weapon (Naz has probably tossed it before the cops ever get close to finding him). The cab is cleaned up. Making an arrest would a whole shit ton tougher. Seems like a lot of stretches that Freddie would have to assume would go right just to get a smart square in jail to do his bidding. He'd be better off just waiting for someone to show up.

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502. "post 496...nobody could predict what would happen next"
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but dude is sleeping in the house with a dead body upstairs, his blood and prints all over the house, his semen in her(maybe), coming from an alcohol/drug induced stupor, seen together with the vic by who knows how many people....chances are he's not going unscathed.

hell, they might have reasoned that naz would call the cops himself(being he's a good kid and all)

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516. "RE: Relying on Bodie to lead them to Naz is a big reach"
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>So let's say Naz doesn't forget his wallet, doesn't make the
>illegal left turn, and successfully skeedaddles back home.
>
>At that point, all the cops would have to go on is Bodie's ID
>of the guy. He doesn't seem like a particularly reliable
>witness (Also, when the cops did take him in on the show, he
>didn't exactly do so willingly). So let's say he is able to
>give him some sort of ID, it's still looking for one "towel
>head" is a city of 9 million. There's no murder weapon (Naz
>has probably tossed it before the cops ever get close to
>finding him). The cab is cleaned up. Making an arrest would a
>whole shit ton tougher. Seems like a lot of stretches that
>Freddie would have to assume would go right just to get a
>smart square in jail to do his bidding. He'd be better off
>just waiting for someone to show up.

exactly.


  

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507. "i think it is along those lines but not as deep"
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I think there is a connection with Freddy and the girl
Freddy wants the girl dead for whatever reason
Bodie and Duane Reade are connected to Freddy too
Duane Reade is the contract killer and the situation with Naz creates opportunity to get the job done with someone to frame
Freddy is an opportunist and knows Naz is a mark and he can pretty much manipulate him and benefit from it while he is locked up
What better way to keep someone off of your scent than to put them in pocket

With all that said...lol...I am going to be mad pissed if this sh*t end in a cliffhanger lol

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497. "I'm convinced its Freddie"
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Young boy that killed himself was Naz. He just never transformed. Naz did. Freddie pulled them both in.

Is it sunday yet?

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499. "I will buy that everything that happened to Naz once he got to prison..."
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...was by Freddie's design. The burning bed, the guy seemingly befriending him then betraying him, the fact he didn't hook up with the other Muslims in Riker's (only because Freddie told him not to), etc. I can see Freddie setting all of that up.

Him setting up Naz for the murder is a bridge too far.

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500. "Naz is The Yellow King."
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"Sean sparks like John Starks, nah, Sean ball like John Wall" - Rest In Power Forever Sean Price.

  

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520. "Speaking of The Yellow King.."
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That was pretty wild how that actor popped up in that last episode there. HBO sure does love to recycle their previously used actors/actresses.

Although if I have to be honest, he was more reminiscent of the role he played on Boardwalk Empire than who he played on True Detective, with the self-righteous behavior he exhibited and all.

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498. "Anyone mentioned the weird car at the gas station on the first night?"
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I'm two eps behind rt now but my bet is it's neither Naz (although the guesses of him committing a crime in prison make sense) nor Duane Reid (sp?) since tbh he would be too obvious.

But that blacked-out limo or towncar at the gas station, with the driver who iirc had an American flag pin and was eyeing the girl in the cab, and then may have followed them, was most probably connected to the reason she was afraid in the first place, and then responsible for her death.

  

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504. "you mean the guy who was driving the hearse? "
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keep watching.

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517. "So, all the detective work was back-loaded into the finale."
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My nigga, put that level of effort into this shit in the beginning of the investigation.

I'm afraid to research how many people are jammed up on some fuckshit because they were the easiest route.

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518. "you really don't want to know the answer."
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i say that because it would only make you VERY sad.


>I'm afraid to research how many people are jammed up on some
>fuckshit because they were the easiest route.

  

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519. "That seems to be the point. "
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524. "Shit, In real life you wouldn't even get that."
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It's rare I read any case about an innocent man being locked up that the prosecutor or the investigators ever admit they did anything wrong OR that they were even innocent(!!!). It's all 'We caught the right person XXX years ago..."



>My nigga, put that level of effort into this shit in the
>beginning of the investigation.
>
>I'm afraid to research how many people are jammed up on some
>fuckshit because they were the easiest route.

  

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526. "exactly, like the prosecutor said at a point, we got more evidence"
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on Naz.

Thats why when i was arguing above i was saying is this real life or tv we talking bout, bc ain't no detective going to find evidence on another suspect while suspect #1 is on trial.

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536. "Yeah...and he had a hunch from the beginning"
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Like, if you want to make sure you have the right guy and it doesn't feel 'right', eliminate ALL the possibilities.

Like it's been said, I'm sure this happens all the time with innocent people though.

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521. "the step pops wasnt guilty"
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but damn if wasnt the biggest piece of shit in the history of non criminals

stones summation was fucking incredible...

riz ahmed has a very bright future... he did his damn thing

i cant imagine gandolfini doing stone better than turturro

i really dug the show.... even how it just left alot of shit in the air (though i wish they didnt throw chandra under the bus like that)

naz being all fucked up...crazy how he coulda got a proper smoke setup and he was still doing it the jail way.

relationship with his mom will never be the same

kinda wish they woulda had a little more background on freddy

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523. "RE: the step pops wasnt guilty"
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>(though i wish they didnt throw chandra under the
>bus like that)

I don't want to type out what she did since I want to censor myself, but what she did in that last episode in the lock-up was almost on the level of shark jumping IMO. Just completely and totally insane she was willing to go to that level for Naz.

And her crying in court was bad as well. I wonder how many real lawyers rolled their eyes when she started sobbing.

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527. "agreed"
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>but what she did in that last episode in the lock-up was almost on the level of shark jumping IMO

she deserved to get fried even if they didn't do it for the most damning reason.

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529. "^^"
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534. "Yup. The thing is there's shenanigans across the board with prisoners"
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with everyone fucking; lawyers, CO's, prisoners, etc..so it COULD be believable but the character didn't earn it.

They told us she had a breakup and hinted she was lonely and from that we went straight into risking jail sneaking in packages of drugs in her vagina (lol@the closeup on that stain on the bench from her pussy juices).

It's less about jumping the shark but the fact that the show focused ALOT on everyone's personal life or lack of one (Nas, Nas's family, the cop, Stone) but all we knew about her what she was a green lawyer, broke up with her boyfriend, and was of Indian descent, LOL.


Its a shame though because as an actress she NAILED it.., but her plot was the weakest out of all the primary characters by a large margin because she was just written as "new lawyer with big (abet beautiful) eyes"

  

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537. "I started hyperventilating when she reached in between her legs."
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Guarantee that clip will land on shesfreaky.com within the next 2 months.

  

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542. "that look she gave.... "
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she risked it all

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546. "When Naz picked it up off the bench and it left a wet spot"
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They really nailed the details

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547. "That's the real drugs."
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>They really nailed the details

I'm gonna rewatch that, if you're not joking.

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533. "His relationship with his mother can possibly rebound once the "
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financial adviser gets convicted. But she would have to apologize like a mofo to him at that point.

  

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528. "So how did Stone get the jail video?"
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531. "Freddie had his people drop it off. Which is scary all by itself."
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532. "Right."
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I dunno how realistic it was for Freddie and his peoples to get Stone's address, muchless so quickly.

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539. "yeah felt like such a reach. I'd rather it have been box."
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543. "Not really"
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His picture is posted on the subway

Everybody in the police station knows him

The COs knows him

It’s not much for a cop to get his home address

  

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552. "agreed."
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561. "Stone visited Naz several times"
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He had to write his address in the book so they had his info. Not a big deal when the guards are on your side.

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530. "Stone giving the cat back was the sign that no one would be killed at "
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the end.

  

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540. "kind of disappointed in the ending"
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1) i wanted one of the more primary characters to have been the murderer. We saw glimpses of the advisor but it still felt like he came out of nowhere.

2) i feel like there is still more of this story to tell...Naz trying to assimilate to normal life while battling his rikers demons along with the new trial for the advisor.

Wish they'd go that route in season 2 but i doubt it.

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541. "I wasn't disappointed in how they wrapped it up but ..."
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I do think there are a LOT of things that can be further explored in a second season. In other words I was disappointed in a macro sense being that there were so many stories left to be told. But I was not disappointed in how they wrapped up the main stories in the finale. Overall a solid show.

>1) i wanted one of the more primary characters to have been
>the murderer. We saw glimpses of the advisor but it still felt
>like he came out of nowhere.
>
>2) i feel like there is still more of this story to tell...Naz
>trying to assimilate to normal life while battling his rikers
>demons along with the new trial for the advisor.
>
>Wish they'd go that route in season 2 but i doubt it.

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545. "Pretty sure it said Series Finale."
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549. "i know...my doubt it was in reference to a season 2."
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its been billed as a 8 episode series from jump.

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544. "I think the show is about BIAS"
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I think some may have gone too literal with the intent of the show

I think the big picture and takeaway is BIAS

the dramatic effect of the whodunit nature of the series was amplified by focusing on different groups

I swear, everytime a new angle was brought in, I was like, he did it.

I initially jumped on the brother (I still don't understand how homie had no role in this series other than an extra)

but then they focus on Duane Reade and Bodie - ohh, they did it

then they focus on the under taker - ohh, he did it

step pops - motive, he did it

etc...

in the narrow context of the criminal justice system, yes, part of the theme is how fucked up the system is

but the larger context, is how it is allowed to continue the fuckery, based on our biases

i.e. they only arrive at American Psycho investment guy because the lead detective had a change of heart

bias would have railroaded Naz, and nobody would have even blinked

sheeeeeiiiiitttt, they almost convinced Naz he did it

^and this is what I was saying about Box

he could have gotten that confession anytime he wanted to

= he didn't because he knew, based on his career, that Naz wasn't the guy.

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564. "i agree with most of this..."
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>I think some may have gone too literal with the intent of the
>show
>
>I think the big picture and takeaway is BIAS

spot on. the point of the series was perception vs reality. assumptions are a plague of man.

>the dramatic effect of the whodunit nature of the series was
>amplified by focusing on different groups
>
>I swear, everytime a new angle was brought in, I was like, he
>did it.
>
>I initially jumped on the brother (I still don't understand
>how homie had no role in this series other than an extra)
>
>but then they focus on Duane Reade and Bodie - ohh, they did
>it
>
>then they focus on the under taker - ohh, he did it
>
>step pops - motive, he did it
>
>etc...
>
>in the narrow context of the criminal justice system, yes,
>part of the theme is how fucked up the system is
>
>but the larger context, is how it is allowed to continue the
>fuckery, based on our biases
>
>i.e. they only arrive at American Psycho investment guy
>because the lead detective had a change of heart

not sure i would go as far as to call that a change of heart. more likely to be his instincts kickin' him in the ass when he knew things didn't add up, and that his own work was sloppy/lazy (he still has a conscience). he knew he wasn't on his A-game with this case, but still couldn't bring himself to speak up in court (he knew that would completely derail the prosecution's case). in the end, he was disgusted with the prosecutor for not taking another look at all of the evidence. the same evidence that he botched almost every step of the way. he broke the cardinal rule of investigation (follow every lead. follow the evidence, NOT the assumptions).

>bias would have railroaded Naz, and nobody would have even
>blinked
>
>sheeeeeiiiiitttt, they almost convinced Naz he did it
>
>^and this is what I was saying about Box
>
>he could have gotten that confession anytime he wanted to
>
>= he didn't because he knew, based on his career, that Naz
>wasn't the guy.

i disagree here. while box was certainly a savvy vet, the full court press isn't his interrogation style. he's more of a "give you enough rope, then sit back and let you hang yourself" detective. nas might've reached the point of no return and given up hope, but he was never in danger of giving a false confession. i think box was so caught up in his own assumptions early, that he failed to truly do his job (again, follow ALL of the evidence).




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548. "Love the uncumfortable notstalgia of leaving jail"
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even the numbness of knowing he was getting out

so good. all of it

  

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550. "Am I the only one that felt like the hung jury was a disappointment?"
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Like, of all the ways it could have ended, whether you wanted some wild stuff like Freddy being the mastermind, or just wanted Naz to be convicted because that might be the most realistic outcome, the hung jury almost feels like a reach to me.

i did think it was cool seeing the judge give the jury an Allen charge. you almost never see that kind of detail in legal shows.

  

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551. "I think it fit the show perfectly."
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The sense that Naz was be "get off", but not definitely declared innocent (or even guillty). So he'd carry the stigma in his community. The scene with his mother at the end would not have had the same weight if they'd ruled him not guilty. It showed how the systems ruins lives, no matter the outcome.

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556. "that's a good point."
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>The sense that Naz was be "get off", but not definitely
>declared innocent (or even guillty). So he'd carry the stigma
>in his community. The scene with his mother at the end would
>not have had the same weight if they'd ruled him not guilty.
>It showed how the systems ruins lives, no matter the outcome.

  

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568. "when Naz said 'I don't know' = guilty"
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Stone's close wasn't enough to over come that, IMO

so I was disappointed in that it didn't feel logical

but that would be my critique of the series on a whole

they went hollywood in quite a few scenarios

whereas some of the HBO series try to remain authentic

it felt like some of the plot was just plain hollywood BS

and I would put the hung jury in that category

guilty would have ruined the kumbaya finality of even though the path was f'd up, they got to the right destination in the end

IRL, Naz stays in jail.

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553. "Let's just give John the Emmy now "
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554. "saw this comment on reddit about Freddy and thought is what great"
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There's something poetic about the fact that Freddy ended up being a man of his word. He genuinely saw the innocence in Nas and tried to help him. It wasn't a ruse, there wasn't any ulterior motive (even though he still used him for jobs) and he even did his best to get him out. They could have easily made him turn on Nas, or have him plant some of the evidence he clearly had access to that could have hurt Nas. He just wanted a cool dude to hang with that wasn't like the rest of the filth in prison.


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555. "yeah, this is on point"
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558. "Word."
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He could've been on some "crab in the bucket" shit like "You stuck in here with me forever". They gave him a lot of chances to go completely dark, but they never pulled the trigger. Even left him with a sentimental parting gift, and a dope addiction.

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557. "i thought the finale was pretty underwhelming"
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and i really liked the rest of the show

i thought stone's closing was on the flat side - didn't earn the climaxing score behind it

also though the cat ending was eh

i didn't notice chandra crying in court, but as noted above that's lame

i don't know that i wanted more "resolution" with Naz, the verdict, the family, whatever

it wasn't looking for things to be tied up or cute

but yeah - underwhelming, flat, those are the words that come to mind

all the acting, direction and photography was so on point tho, throughout, finale being no exception

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559. "agreed...felt like it missed a climax."
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and that there's more story to be told.

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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560. "It's suppose to be Anti-Climax and non-satisfying. "
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The overriding them of the show is how awful our criminal justice system is. Think of the options. He could have been found, not guilty based on the defense. He could have found not guilty based on Box finding the real killer. Or he could have been found guilty.

I think the most realistic result would have been found guilty but that just would have sucked for a viewer. Any scenario of him being found not guilty would have undermined the message that the system doesn't work.

This seemed like the most appropriate, wire-esque, conclusion.


>and that there's more story to be told.




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563. "Agreed"
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That scene with him looking at the DA with those longing eyes of PLEASE!!!!! says it all. She held his life in her hands at that point. They built up a gang of tension in the finale without going the conventional route.

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565. "for me its anti climatic bc there's still a story left to be told imo"
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i know it was supposed to be an 8 episode shot but there was potential for so much more. Naz getting off is just half the story imo.

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567. "Your right there is more story, but I don't think there was a need to te..."
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Like we know Naz has to deal with an addiction, a community that is suspicious of him, and a mother who doubted him. We got it.

Scratchy feet is going to keep on fighting the good fight.

The DA & Box will pursue the financial advisor.

The only story I was left wondering about his what happens to Chandra.


>i know it was supposed to be an 8 episode shot but there was
>potential for so much more. Naz getting off is just half the
>story imo.


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569. "It was an 8 episode series (unless they decide upon a 2nd)"
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There is only so much that one can fit in during that time before it dilutes everything else. I would just appreciate it for what it is and not focus on what it's not. I never got the impression that the show was going to extend much beyond the circumstances surrounding "the night of."

  

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562. "That was great"
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The most disappointing thing was Chandra's character wasn't properly drawn. I could buy the stuff she was doing, if they constructed her character properly.

The most beautiful part of the show was how the relationship between freddie and Naz unfolded and played out. I am so happy they downplayed any sort of dramatic goodbye scene.

I'm glad the release of Naz was anti-climatic because the truth is dude is still fcuked.

I also think it is not completely clear that the financial advisor is guilty and will be taken down for it. I think it still remains that the stronger case is against Naz.

All the dead ends made perfect sense to me (Duane Reade, the Step Father, the Undertaker) because the prosecution was ultimately right, it was desperation that lead the defense to point to all of these people and there wasn't any real solid evidence that any of these dudes were responsible for the murder.

The show had to balance being a realistic take down of the American Justice System and a procedural mystery and it did a pretty good job.

Couple of other thoughts:

1. no way a jury would be locked 6 versus 6 on a defendant who got on the stand and said I don't know if I did it.

2. The DA seemed to suggest that if Nas had called the police right away the girl possibly could have lived? Anyone else get that? This reminded me a lot of Serial because although Anand Saed maintained his innocence there was a part of him that accepted his fate because he believes that was being punished for not being a good muslim. I saw traces of that here.


3. It's interesting that freddie forwarded the footage of them kissing but not the Chandra smuggling in drugs (which they surely must have had). Maybe that's self preservation or dude having a heart. But Chandra should consider herself lucky. I just wished she got one more scene.



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566. "The DA suggested that he could have saved her period"
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Her argument is that he murdered her. His actions upon realizing that she was stabbed showed that he had no regard for her life. We have no idea whether she was actually dead at the time he fled and the fact that he asked the cops if she was dead at least raises the prospect that she was alive when he left. Given that, the DA wanted to emphasize that Nas wasn't concerned about her well-being at all.

I think that early on in the show, Chandra was partially drawn to Nas after she saw the way her boss took advantage of people of color for her own personal aggrandizement. Her initial investment in Nas was compounded by the fact that this was now her case, and she was going to do whatever it takes to see it through. I think the show demonstrates how having a heart is detrimental to one's career in criminal law which is part of the overarching tragic theme.

  

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574. "Freddie forwarded the video of the kissing to help Naz"
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He had it sent to Jon Stone cause he knew that could work in Naz's favor as a mistrial. He wasn't looking to hurt Naz.


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>3. It's interesting that freddie forwarded the footage of them
>kissing but not the Chandra smuggling in drugs (which they
>surely must have had). Maybe that's self preservation or dude
>having a heart. But Chandra should consider herself lucky. I
>just wished she got one more scene.
>

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570. "When Naz was packing up his cell"
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My heart was racing a mile a minute. I thought Freddy was going to take care of him, or have someone else do it.

Like Naz turn's around and ... STAB!

Till the moment Naz hugged his father I was holding my breath. I was like Oh, the guard is going to do it!

But, nope. Freddy really did want to help him. Not enough to stop him from getting an addiction, a body and prison tats, but he legit helped him to get out of jail.

  

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571. "I thought the exact same thing."
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That was shot exceptionally well. A feeling of doom loomed right up until, like you said, he hugged his dad.

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573. "I was like, you need to keep your head on a swivel."
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Shanks could come at you at any moment. I'm sure we all agree to think that Freddy could have been on some real fuckshit and kept him stuck in there forever.

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572. "This was awesome. I really like the short story-esque storyline"
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575. "I'm glad I stuck with this. The last 2 eps were great"
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I was ready to give up given how slow the middle episodes were.

This seemed less of a crime, Law and Order type series and more of an indictment of the criminal justice system.

They took a straight edge kid and turned him into a likely future criminal.

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576. "likely future criminal???"
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he's a drug addicted murder accomplice already lol

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577. "what happens in jail... "
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stays in jail

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