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P. Diddy
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"not to go all bernie bro... but honestly i hope trump wins."


  

          

fuck this country.
anybody stupid enough to pass on the agenda bernie (FDR?) was putting forward in favor of hilary's vapor can suck a dick.

i hope trump wins just to prove a point.

<- way before hashtags.

  

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Yo actually went Full Bernie Bro with that one.
May 24th 2016
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guess so...
May 24th 2016
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      It's funny you blame the people and not Bernie though.
May 24th 2016
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      i'm blaming the people.
May 24th 2016
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      Well you know "People" are in Government right?
May 24th 2016
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      bruh...lol
May 24th 2016
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      No such thing as a leader who can't lead. Dude had one job,
May 24th 2016
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           RE: No such thing as a leader who can't lead. Dude had one job,
May 24th 2016
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                this is kinda bullshit though
May 26th 2016
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      Ultimately the people do the voting.
May 24th 2016
7
      Did we blame W for winning the election or those who
May 24th 2016
11
           Exactly
May 24th 2016
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           We blame the Supreme Court for stealing the election from Gore.
May 24th 2016
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           RE: Did we blame W for winning the election or those who
May 24th 2016
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      uhhhh...it's ALL on the people lol
May 24th 2016
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      He makes it sound like Bernie is Sarah Palin
May 24th 2016
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           If he can't beat Hillary, how is he suppose to beat Republicans?!?!
May 24th 2016
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                He beats Trump with Bernie AND Hillary voters bruh...
May 24th 2016
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                     I am not even talking about Trump. I am talking about the GOP in
May 24th 2016
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                          He got bettr shot w Rs than the lady they been trying to jail for 25 yrs...
May 24th 2016
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                          bruh, her last name is Clinton
May 24th 2016
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                               Lol I'm saying...these ppl make no damn sense with this stuff
May 24th 2016
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      RE: It's funny you blame the people and not Bernie though.
May 27th 2016
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      And he's got better head-to-head numbers against Trump than
May 24th 2016
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      Nah, Bernie's got good numbers right now...
May 24th 2016
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      RE: And he's got better head-to-head numbers against Trump than
May 24th 2016
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           Bernie also hasn't mentioned the FBI stuff
May 24th 2016
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      that's a part of the problem
May 24th 2016
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           nigga she ain't offering you all that shit
May 24th 2016
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                geez it's a metaphor
May 24th 2016
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                     amazing that you think you had to.. smh
May 24th 2016
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I'm feeling the same exact way for the same exact reasons, but
May 24th 2016
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Bernie's agenda, while progressive, is deeply flawed...
May 24th 2016
9
All my French cousins have degrees they got for free, so fuck that
May 24th 2016
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And France's unemployment rate is at 10.5%...
May 24th 2016
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      I don't have to think about any of that because
May 24th 2016
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           Basic living is better there? ORLY?
May 24th 2016
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                France has serious issues with the way they treat immigrants, but
May 24th 2016
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                     Dude, your argument is invalid...
May 24th 2016
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                          You completely missed my point that's how you read it
May 24th 2016
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                               The point your making is that free college is a net benefit...
May 24th 2016
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                                    RE: The point your making is that free college is a net benefit...
May 24th 2016
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                                         Start?
May 24th 2016
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                                              Semantics
May 25th 2016
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He actually put out a meme recently, Did you know college was free 50
May 24th 2016
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I saw that meme...
May 24th 2016
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      I read your reply as it's already devalued.
May 24th 2016
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      I'll tack this on(Bernie on HBCUs)
May 24th 2016
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           LOL, dem facts made CRich ghost
May 24th 2016
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#1 is the problem.....with technology out there like Periscope
May 24th 2016
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Do you have a degree and, if so, what do you do?
May 24th 2016
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      No...I don't...I'm an Business Analyst for a large gvt contractor
May 24th 2016
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           Alright, so here's my thing on having a degree...
May 24th 2016
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                That's cute n all but hasn't been my experience with hiring those with d...
May 24th 2016
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There's a value to an educated populace beyond jobs. Jobs aren't returni...
May 24th 2016
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No. Some people are just better than other people...
May 24th 2016
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      What? You clearly didn't read anything I wrote lol
May 24th 2016
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you're wrong, but it's ok because
May 24th 2016
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^^
May 25th 2016
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I only got this far
May 27th 2016
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Sidenote: Even if she wins, she's not getting two terms.
May 24th 2016
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lol same was said about Obama. lesson: anything can happen.
May 24th 2016
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      The same was not said about Obama. He was running as a Democrat
May 24th 2016
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           I don't remember anyone saying that...
May 24th 2016
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i actually wouldn't be mad at a Trump presidency.
May 24th 2016
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RE: i actually wouldn't be mad at a Trump presidency.
May 24th 2016
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      huh?
May 24th 2016
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Plus, Trump is going to run LEFT of Hillary on multiple areas
May 24th 2016
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lmao.. this is going to be a trip
May 24th 2016
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      Yep lol, we're already seeing it right here
May 24th 2016
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You are an idiot and a baby
May 24th 2016
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Who kemosabe...
May 24th 2016
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You an idiot too
May 24th 2016
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      RE: You an idiot too
May 24th 2016
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3 million votes. Yeah.
May 24th 2016
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      Votes are not talking points
May 24th 2016
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           RE: Votes are not talking points
May 24th 2016
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                I think you're delusional
May 25th 2016
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                     we will see.
May 25th 2016
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                          1 million votes is close to you??
May 25th 2016
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                               I believe the outside shot for Bernie is with
May 25th 2016
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                                    IMPOSSBLE for Bernie to get 65% in Califronia
May 25th 2016
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                                         *bookmarks for later uppage*
May 25th 2016
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                                              Good for you
May 25th 2016
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part of me is honestly just extremely curious about a trump presidency
May 24th 2016
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Melania would be only the second foreign-born FLOTUS
May 24th 2016
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We could find out how fcuked up or not our government really is.
May 24th 2016
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If she wins, Cruz beats her in 2020. If he wins, she thinks long and
May 24th 2016
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      RE: If she wins, Cruz beats her in 2020.
May 24th 2016
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      She wants it that bad. She can taste it. She probably has vivid
May 24th 2016
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           RE: She wants it that bad. She can taste it. She probably has vivid
May 24th 2016
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      If she loses it's over, prolly does a JoePa
May 24th 2016
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           Dies after the rape allegations against Bill pick up steam?
May 24th 2016
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                shit....lol
May 24th 2016
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I'm more curious in the GE debates and election
May 24th 2016
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RE: I'm more curious in the GE debates and election
May 24th 2016
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      I don't
May 24th 2016
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           RE: I don't
May 24th 2016
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Trump has thee BEST hype women!!!
May 24th 2016
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titties would be stored and coochies would dry the fuck up.
May 24th 2016
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MySpace called and said give all the pussy back
May 24th 2016
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      that was 2001. Im talking about the political years of 03-08
May 24th 2016
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hmm
May 24th 2016
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RE: hmm
May 24th 2016
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No, he's saying voters will get what they ask for and he wont mind
May 24th 2016
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      RE: No, he's saying voters will get what they ask for and he wont mind
May 24th 2016
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      Right. They will. And the OP won't mind seeing them mind.
May 24th 2016
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      voters are getting what they ask for in the Dem primary too
May 25th 2016
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           you have to break this shit down like weight for bernie supporters
May 25th 2016
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           except without Bernie or bust he doesn't
May 25th 2016
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but nevermind the lives it will ruin or impact negatively..smh
May 24th 2016
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HRC will ruin plenty as well. She's a bigger hawk than he is.
May 24th 2016
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yall really want Trump? smh.
May 24th 2016
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      Hell no! Lol...Trump would be terrible. I just agree with the OP
May 24th 2016
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           RE: Hell no! Lol...Trump would be terrible. I just agree with the OP
May 24th 2016
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                except that it's not
May 24th 2016
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like the generation of super predators?
May 24th 2016
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I think at this point Hillary is gonna have to drop a sex tape in order ...
May 24th 2016
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with a fishnet Kim Jong jacket
May 24th 2016
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someone said Cruz will beat Hilary in 2020
May 24th 2016
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I'm not convinced Cruz could even beat Jared Fogle in a GE
May 24th 2016
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LOL. Now I want to see that political contest
May 25th 2016
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RE: someone said Cruz will beat Hilary in 2020
May 24th 2016
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Electoral votes will make sure he won't make it.
May 24th 2016
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I'm not with a Trump presidency. Real talk.
May 24th 2016
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You broke it down perfectly. Exactly. Thank you.
May 24th 2016
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RE: I'm not with a Trump presidency. Real talk.
May 24th 2016
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Trump is beating her RIGHT NOW and
May 24th 2016
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      RE: Trump is beating her RIGHT NOW and
May 25th 2016
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           *shrugs* this is what democracy looks like.
May 25th 2016
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                RE: *shrugs* this is what democracy looks like.
May 25th 2016
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                     that is a lot of violent rhetoric about
May 25th 2016
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                          ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
May 25th 2016
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what if
May 25th 2016
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this is a plausible scenario, and I am not trying to dodge your question
May 25th 2016
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      respect i hear u
May 25th 2016
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So , just a child?
May 25th 2016
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      Reply 164.
May 26th 2016
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I don't wish a Trump presidency on minorities and immigrants
May 24th 2016
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RE: I don't wish a Trump presidency on minorities and immigrants
May 24th 2016
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i don't
May 24th 2016
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Progressives =/= Tea Baggers
May 24th 2016
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what me worry?
May 24th 2016
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RE: Progressives =/= Tea Baggers
May 24th 2016
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      RE: Progressives =/= Tea Baggers
May 24th 2016
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           RE: Progressives =/= Tea Baggers
May 25th 2016
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                ::Hillary cackle::
May 25th 2016
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                RE: ::Hillary cackle::
May 25th 2016
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                     RE: ::Hillary cackle::
May 25th 2016
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                          RE: ::Hillary cackle::
May 25th 2016
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                               He polls much better for the general election
May 25th 2016
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                                    RE: He polls much better for the general election
May 25th 2016
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                                         It's because he HAS NOT LOST
May 25th 2016
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                nigga stop crying... shit.
May 25th 2016
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                     RE: nigga stop crying... shit.
May 25th 2016
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                          ::Cackle intensifies::
May 25th 2016
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                               murph crying like shit
May 25th 2016
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                                    RE: murph crying like shit
May 25th 2016
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                                         How about both are true...
May 25th 2016
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                                         RE: How about both are true...
May 25th 2016
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                                              Director James Comey is also setting up
May 25th 2016
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                                         only thing i thougt was dirty was including superdelegates in the count
May 25th 2016
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http://giphy.com/gifs/P9YPCac32eDcI
May 24th 2016
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well thats pretty dumb
May 25th 2016
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RE: well thats pretty dumb
May 25th 2016
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Only if there is no reasoning
May 25th 2016
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you post exactly the same across all forums huh lmao
May 25th 2016
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I chuckled
May 25th 2016
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Privilege.
May 25th 2016
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I feel you Doc, but that's not entirely fair.
May 25th 2016
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      the problem I have with this viewpoint is the continual
May 26th 2016
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           you're not wrong, but I think it is because people
May 26th 2016
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Let's give a thin-skinned narcissist the nuclear codes. Good thought!
May 25th 2016
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NYT Op-ed: Bernie's support has very little to do with his "agenda."
May 25th 2016
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Ok let me help you out, since I am not a "disaffected white man"
May 25th 2016
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bernie has been eliminated...time to come on home
May 25th 2016
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maybe he would have lost in 2008, but
May 25th 2016
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come on home to what?
May 25th 2016
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okay but hes genuinely losing...time to come home
May 25th 2016
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      did you not read the op?
May 25th 2016
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HRC wins, the message would be ''go home'' and ''stay home''
May 25th 2016
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i dunno if people have a sense of urgency in addressing issues...
May 25th 2016
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      Man, I feel you
May 26th 2016
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      The investigation is "coming on home"
May 26th 2016
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           Unless they ready to round up colin powell and bill clinton amongst
May 26th 2016
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Neither candidate will win the nomination on pledged delegates
May 26th 2016
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presidents come and go
May 26th 2016
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He has not lost...
May 26th 2016
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      OK
May 26th 2016
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           How about "Barring a MIRACLE Bernie has lost"
May 26th 2016
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           i was trying to be nice
May 26th 2016
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           You can say it, but it holds no truth
May 26th 2016
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           I can vibe with that better
May 26th 2016
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That's about as Bernie Bro as it gets, bro. I am just rooting for entrop...
May 26th 2016
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Cruz would've actually done that shit. Trump just wants a story
May 26th 2016
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dude, you just out Bernie Bro'd him.
May 27th 2016
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      Lol
May 28th 2016
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Buddy_Gilapagos
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1. "Yo actually went Full Bernie Bro with that one. "
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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

  

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P. Diddy
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2. "guess so..."
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put into perspective why so many people don't vote in the first place...

dude was a candidate who had an agenda that was going to break up the apathy.

ah well.

<- way before hashtags.

  

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3. "It's funny you blame the people and not Bernie though. "
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Like if the dude couldn't beat the much hated old tired Hillary Clinton in the Democratic primary system, shouldn't you be questioning his ability to pull off all of the other things that he claimed he would accomplish?


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

  

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P. Diddy
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5. "i'm blaming the people."
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just like i'm blaming the people for trump.

they're idiots and deserve the shit hole they drive our country into by electing terrible candidates.

they voted W in twice and he tanked the entire country.

fuck it -- i'm tapping out.

<- way before hashtags.

  

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36. "Well you know "People" are in Government right?"
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So if he couldn't get the people behind him to vote for him the Dem Nom, how is he going to get the people behind him to change government??!?!?


What good is a leader who can't lead?




>just like i'm blaming the people for trump.
>
>they're idiots and deserve the shit hole they drive our
>country into by electing terrible candidates.
>
>they voted W in twice and he tanked the entire country.
>
>fuck it -- i'm tapping out.


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

  

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6. "bruh...lol"
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no such thing as a perfect candidate. Well, Obama was the closest but it's not Bernie's fault 3 millon or so less people are still on the nuts of the old establishment.



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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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47. "No such thing as a leader who can't lead. Dude had one job, "
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win enough states to get the democratic nomination, and he failed.

Once you fail at that first step, there is no point speculating how he would have done at the next step.

That's like a high school ballplayer arguing that he would have been great in the pros, but never got tapped for a college program.


>no such thing as a perfect candidate. Well, Obama was the
>closest but it's not Bernie's fault 3 millon or so less people
>are still on the nuts of the old establishment.
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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

  

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103. "RE: No such thing as a leader who can't lead. Dude had one job, "
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>win enough states to get the democratic nomination, and he
>failed.
>
>Once you fail at that first step, there is no point
>speculating how he would have done at the next step.
>
>That's like a high school ballplayer arguing that he would
>have been great in the pros, but never got tapped for a
>college program.


This ^^^^is the point some of Bernie's most passionate supporters side-step...Because to them Clinton's large lead and eventual win is part of a fixed system...And that's the danger I've been talking about....How will Bernie's riled up, conspiratorial fans react to Clinton winning the nomination? That's a worrisome issue for the Democrats. How will Bernie put that genie back in the bottle?

I'm not worried about Bernie's folks NOT coming out in support of Clinton. I'm more concerned with what they will do at that Philly convention....

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183. "this is kinda bullshit though"
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GWB was not a good leader

winning popularity contests via nepotism and quid pro quo politics is only important in a shitty environment

this is like blaming black folks for not being able to overcome the inherent obstacles in their path...and then being like "but what about Obama?!"

it's bullshit and most of yall know it but get on this "im a politically knowledgeable realist" tip when really you ignore nuance to support your already tired ass stance

Let me sport my Air Hyperbole 2010s in peace. (c) ansomble

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7. "Ultimately the people do the voting. "
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11. "Did we blame W for winning the election or those who "
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voted for him and those who stole it for him?

How the hell you blame Bernie for not winning when it's obvious damn near every station, newspaper and the DNC tried their best to stop his momentum at every turn?

Bernie did a damn fine job IMO.

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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28. "Exactly "
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33. "We blame the Supreme Court for stealing the election from Gore. "
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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

  

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104. "RE: Did we blame W for winning the election or those who "
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No..we blamed the Supreme Court and Nader.....

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12. "uhhhh...it's ALL on the people lol"
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Coolin...

  

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16. "He makes it sound like Bernie is Sarah Palin"
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dude didn't run people off, he is losing to a woman who was married to a President and has been in politics her whole life.

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38. "If he can't beat Hillary, how is he suppose to beat Republicans?!?!"
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>dude didn't run people off, he is losing to a woman who was
>married to a President and has been in politics her whole
>life.

These things have been liabilities as much as assets.



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42. "He beats Trump with Bernie AND Hillary voters bruh..."
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but she won't 35% of Bernie's voters because they aren't Dem or die.

and it's hard to beat Hillary when all he had was the people on his side.

MSNBC, News rags, DNC were all in it for Hillary from the jump.

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54. "I am not even talking about Trump. I am talking about the GOP in "
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congress.

He is somehow is going to be more effective against them than BHO? No way.


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72. "He got bettr shot w Rs than the lady they been trying to jail for 25 yrs..."
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76. "bruh, her last name is Clinton"
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she is more hated than Obama and he is Black.

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87. "Lol I'm saying...these ppl make no damn sense with this stuff"
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We're supposed to believe the single most hated Democrat of the last generation, the face of all the Republicans deem evil, is somehow going to be better at getting them to cooperate.

  

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195. "RE: It's funny you blame the people and not Bernie though. "
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>Like if the dude couldn't beat the much hated old tired
>Hillary Clinton in the Democratic primary system, shouldn't
>you be questioning his ability to pull off all of the other
>things that he claimed he would accomplish?



right on the fucking money! if he couldn't beat h. clinton
in the primaries, how will he work in dc?

obama cannot get his supreme court nom to the
supreme court.

  

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4. "And he's got better head-to-head numbers against Trump than "
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Hillary.

I think he's going to win. Unless they have video footage of him committing the murder of JonBenet Ramsey, or something, I think he's going to beat her.

His current high poll numbers are so surprising that it will cause alot of people to question if they're stance against him is misguided. It's the power of social proof and how in reinforces itself.

  

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14. "Nah, Bernie's got good numbers right now... "
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But that's his ceiling. Bernie still hasn't been in a real fire fight with a Republican in this race and no one has really attacked him besides saying his ideas are too liberal.

You give him the nomination, they start digging into his past, things he's said about sympathizing with Sandanistas, pain him as a Marxist, bring up his old writings about sex, and all of a sudden Bernie's not a guy breaking up banks; he's a crazy old red pervert.

Trump's numbers, I believe, are also his ceiling as he's not faced the concentrated fire of the full Democratic apparatus. When the convention rolls around and you have two popular presidents (Clinton & Obama) going directly at Trump, he's going to get weaker.

Clinton, on the other hand, is probably floored out in terms of numbers. She's been getting hit for the past three years and hasn't really had a clear and open chance to state her case without being tarred by the right or pulled by the left. I think once she's past the Bernie hurdle, she'll have a clear message of difference between her and Trump that voters will want to get with.




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18. "RE: And he's got better head-to-head numbers against Trump than "
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That's what happens when your opponent takes it easy on you, homie....

Even Trump is letting Bernie ride because he would rather face a "socialist" (This is American thinking, dog...In most folks eyes, real Socialism is no different than Communism) who praised Castro, identified with Russia's Communist mechanisms, wrote an essay about how women fantasize about being raped, and who believes that cancer is connected to sexual health...Nobody has brought up his "interesting" past because A) for Hillary, she doesn't want him going all Ralph Nader and B) Trump is waiting to spring it all on dude just in case...

No one in the mainstream press nor the candidates have talked about any of this ^^^ stuff......

When you are not truly vetted you get a bit of a boost in poll numbers....It's Politics 101....

And fuck anyone wishing for a Trump win....

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84. "Bernie also hasn't mentioned the FBI stuff"
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Do you think the stuff from his past is worse or better than being investigated by the FBI right now. Also, the stuff from Bernie's past is a long reach since it was in the 80s and earlier that it all occurred. Hillary and Bill have enough within the last 5 years to focus on.

The more people that hear Bernie speak, the better he does. He hasn't hit his ceiling when compared to Trump. The media would have to get on board if he won the nomination. Trump would crucify news orgs if he were elected.

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17. "that's a part of the problem"
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>put into perspective why so many people don't vote in the
>first place...
>
>dude was a candidate who had an agenda that was going to break
>up the apathy.

y'all see the role of the president as ONE thing. Yeah, he could do that, but that's not nearly the most singular or important thing about being the president.

that's like if i'm homeless, hungry, have cancer, only 1 leg, one eye, and 7 fingers and you be like, "let me help you learn to sing!".

Hill Dawg offering me a seeing eye dog, prosthetic leg, subsidized housing and a meal voucher.

i'm going with that.

  

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27. "nigga she ain't offering you all that shit"
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34. "geez it's a metaphor"
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meaning people hang on that one thing he can do or might be good at, but forget all the other skills and tasks that presidents need to be good at...

amazing that i had to explain that...lol

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45. "amazing that you think you had to.. smh"
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that Devil is a lie...

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8. "I'm feeling the same exact way for the same exact reasons, but"
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If Hillary is in fact nominated, I'm still going down swinging, voting for Jill Stein. So I don't actually hope Trump wins. I hope Jill or Bernie wins lol. But I'll have some level of sick satisfaction if Trump wins, only in the sense of seeing the Dems chew on their stupid ass fucking bullshit insistence on a weaker and Wacker candidate just because she was part of the club or whatever

  

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9. "Bernie's agenda, while progressive, is deeply flawed... "
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Take the free college piece for example.

While it's laudable to want to give people the option of higher education at a reasonable price, offering no tuition at public colleges and universities has a couple of obvious downsides:

1.) It devalues higher education. One of the reasons why jobs that require a college degree pay more than those that don't is because college is supposed to be a reasonable impediment. That's to say that, between academic requirements and cost, some people should be left out so that they can serve in other sectors of the workforce. But all that aside...

2.) If it does become free, public colleges will become next to impossible to get into. Don't believe me? Think of the three major institutions of higher education that the federal government does provide for free; the Naval, Air Force, and United States Military Academies. You literally need to get a recommendation from Congress to get an appointment to one of the service academies and you gotta be in the top 1% of your class. If and when the University of Your State becomes free, they're going to get highly selective about who gets in setting off a domino effect down to the "safety schools" who will now find themselves with a glut of above average kids who couldn't enroll at heretofore competitive institutions. Which then leads to the last point...

3.) It will bankrupt private HBCUs. Historically Black colleges already have a tough enough time recruiting and retaining talented students, but when school becomes free, that's something they can't fight. They'll be forced to hike tuition and fees and they'll lose enrollment in the long run.

But hey, You'd be a fool to not want that, right?

And that $15 an hour across the board minimum wage hike?

Well, that also sounds great until you look at the country as a whole and realize that you'd kill the agricultural sector. Why? Well, because a lot of the food you consume is harvested and produced by low wage workers in rural areas with a lower cost of living. You jack up the cost of their labor and all of a sudden you've got $9 milk and $12 eggs.

Not saying that the minimum wage shouldn't be raised, but it's really a local issue that can and should be handled by the states. A mandated wage hike like that would spur inflation and any bumps we'd see in increased pay would be negated by increased prices.

So, tell me again why I'm a fool for not supporting Sanders agenda again?




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10. "All my French cousins have degrees they got for free, so fuck that "
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19. "And France's unemployment rate is at 10.5%... "
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Those are recession levels in America.

And ask yourself the last time you saw a French car on an American road or at down in front of your French TV to watch a film shot in France full of French actors.

While you're at it, think about how much the world worried about the French military or considers the French economy when they're making decisions.

So yay, free college, but what does that get them?


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25. "I don't have to think about any of that because"
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Any of those unemployed French ppl with degrees could easily come over here and move ahead of each one of us who couldn't afford to stay in college, but they stay in France anyway, because evem being unemployed in France is better than being employed in America.

Who cares if they export cars? Basic living is better there. Flat out

Nobody's going to lose their home over hospital bills either.

  

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35. "Basic living is better there? ORLY?"
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So the percentage of that 10% that's comprised of Algerians would agree with you? They'd love to come over to America to take our jobs, but they're too busy loving life in France to do it?

C'mon, man. You're smarter than this. Don't let ideology cloud common sense.


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46. "France has serious issues with the way they treat immigrants, but"
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setting that aside (because that is a separate issue and needs to be fixed), if you are a fully accepted citizen there, yes its much better...and if Algerian immigrants can get medical treatment without losing their home, their basics are better in many ways than poor and working class Americans.

  

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52. "Dude, your argument is invalid... "
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Here's what you just said...

"Ignoring all of the discrimination against minorities. If you're a natural born white Frenchman, you've got a great life!"

C'mon, man. You can't spit that egalitarian shit and then say, "Well, if only for..."

Nah.


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58. "You completely missed my point that's how you read it"
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I'm not calling France an egalitarian utopia. I'm agreeing they have fucked up aspects to their society. Although, btw, it's not white vs non-white...the state-sanctioned bigotry in France is specifically targeted at specific groups.

But there's bigotry here too, and the scope of our discussion is about the effect free college and other forms of socialism have on quality of life, so you bringing up people who don't have access to the full benefits of citizenship in a place is a total sidestep red herring because you don't want to deal with the points I'm actually making.

  

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82. "The point your making is that free college is a net benefit... "
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As are other socialist ideas.

I refute that by saying that, when you take money out of the equation, colleges and universities will find another way to stem the pipeline of students that may be at a greater detriment than the system we already have.

You then said that your family in France got free education and look at how great they have it.

I refute that by saying that they have other social issues and that while education may be free, it's far from equal and available to all.

So, would I rather live in a country where college costs money but you can go if you can find the means and earn your way OR would I rather be somewhere where it's free but the barriers to entry are high and not available to everyone? I'd choose the former and the former may just be a smarter system for our country.

America will never be able to adopt the broad socialist policies of our European allies because America is too diverse. Even now, the Europeans are having a tough time trying to reconcile their generous social safety net with the influx of migrants that they're experiencing. So, I look at that and see that they only like socialism when it works for them which is really just saying they want a cartel of the majority to be free to place their needs against those of the minorities.

At least in America, we've got a system that meets the diverse needs of a diverse country while also not explicitly shitting anyone out.




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86. "RE: The point your making is that free college is a net benefit... "
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>As are other socialist ideas.
>
>I refute that by saying that, when you take money out of the
>equation, colleges and universities will find another way to
>stem the pipeline of students that may be at a greater
>detriment than the system we already have.
>
>You then said that your family in France got free education
>and look at how great they have it.
>
>I refute that by saying that they have other social issues and
>that while education may be free, it's far from equal and
>available to all.
>
>So, would I rather live in a country where college costs money
>but you can go if you can find the means and earn your way OR
>would I rather be somewhere where it's free but the barriers
>to entry are high and not available to everyone? I'd choose
>the former and the former may just be a smarter system for our
>country.
:
Not the choice. You think adding free college and healthcare in America means we have to start discriminating against North Africans?


  

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120. "Start?"
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170. "Semantics "
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20. "He actually put out a meme recently, Did you know college was free 50"
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years ago

the meme compares tuition costs over the last century

until 1965...ish...you paid a fee, I think it was $300 to go to a state school

= why can't we do that now, if we could do that then?


also, I'm not sure if you heard HRC hedge on free community college

that is, you support a candidate that supports the idea.

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21. "I saw that meme... "
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And at the time college was free, less than 20% of Americans attended college or had a degree.

So it's not a real apples to apples comparison. College was free when not a lot of people needed to go. Then the economy boomed, the labor market shifted, more people needed to go to college, so the price went up with demand.

Soooooo?


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24. "I read your reply as it's already devalued."
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which was another one of his points

you can't get a decent job on just a HS diploma anymore (also works for your $15/hr talking point)

i.e. no college = poverty.

you could get a decent paying job 50 years ago, with just a HS diploma

I'm from Allentown

you could graduate HS, get a manufacturing job at Mack Trucks or Bethlehem Steel

= middle class

those jobs aren't available today.

it's essential to have a college degree now

I think you can see how you're advocating for the idea in general

and you also didn't address the fact that HRC is incorporating the idea into her platform, but you're not critiquing her

CC and $12/hr are OkayPlayer

but State Schools and $15/hr = FOH...?

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85. "I'll tack this on(Bernie on HBCUs)"
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I attended the best one btw

https://berniesanders.com/issues/supporting-historically-black-colleges-and-universities-and-minority-serving-institutions/

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117. "LOL, dem facts made CRich ghost "
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23. "#1 is the problem.....with technology out there like Periscope"
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it can already happen now
all these lil 'programs and efforts' to get poor folks into getting secondary education and the solution is already there...

problem is the workforce or the economy (aka the have's) don't want the have not's to be a part of the team

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26. "Do you have a degree and, if so, what do you do?"
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Not trying to clown you, I'm just curious as to what you think a college degree gives you besides the instruction.


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29. "No...I don't...I'm an Business Analyst for a large gvt contractor"
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and so far I don't see what a degree gives me but an opportunity

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31. "Alright, so here's my thing on having a degree... "
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When I'm interviewing someone to come work for me and they're entry level, I want them to have a degree for three reasons:

1.) It tells me you can take on a big, long term goal and finish.

2.) It lets me know you understand abstract and unrelated concepts and can apply them when needed in the proper place.

3.) There's a track record of people who also received a similar education and they've been successful so you're not a risk.

I don't care what you majored in or what your degree is. We're going to teach you how to work here because it's different than if you work somewhere else and vice versa.

So Periscoping a class or taking online courses aren't as valuable in the evaluation process of hiring as just knowing that this person went to school and if I tell them to jump, they'll know the right questions to ask before they leave their feet.



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90. "That's cute n all but hasn't been my experience with hiring those with d..."
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39. "There's a value to an educated populace beyond jobs. Jobs aren't returni..."
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Technological unemployment is easily going to outpace whatever jobs programs and whatnot we put forward. We need to get over it already and decide a person doesn't need to do tricks and backflips to "earn" a dignified standard of living in an age of abundance where scarcity is artificial.

In the meantime, education is always good.

It's the same bullshit long-line argument ppl make against universal healthcare. It reveals that you aren't concerned about HOW everyone will get access to healthcare, or who will pay, you actually just simply don't want everyone to have access. Even if everyone paid for it out their own pockets, that line would be the same length. ...

Its the ultimate exclusionary fear based appeal to the crab in a bucket anti-social sociopathic selfish evil in the hearts of mankind...and the only reason it works is lack of vision, lack of education, lack of financial security, lack of empathy

  

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50. "No. Some people are just better than other people... "
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Not in terms of value or station, but you can't talk about "universal access" to a college education without acknowledging that college is for some people who are smarter than other people.

That's how the world works.

Some people are better at math. Hopefully they become engineers or math teachers.

Some people are better at music. Hopefully they'll find a place where they can play for others.

Some people are better at writing. Hopefully they can write books.

But if you think that education beyond high school is a right, then you clearly don't understand that some folks aren't cut out for it and that shouldn't hinder or displace those that are.

You would turn college into the 13th grade only to have graduate school become the new measure of academic readiness.

You want everyone to get a trophy. I'm telling you that trophies should only go to the people that earned them.



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57. "What? You clearly didn't read anything I wrote lol"
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88. "you're wrong, but it's ok because "
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these tropes are always thrown out there.

1. For public colleges and universities to be tuition free does not equal a devaluation of college. What it equals is an upgrade to the skill of the average American worker. What it also does is remove restrictions on lower income individuals from an early age to be socialized to the concept of higher education. This is the most revolutionary thing. I have nieces and nephews now who want to go to med school and nursing school - to lift that financial requirement to get a start will help many of our displaced youth and communities to have immediate access toward improving their quality of life. (This is actually much of what Sanders has in his platform which could be seen as "anti-reparations". He is not anti-reparations, but he does believe that if you provide programs and services that allow for opportunity and equality that you will offset the root causes of income inequality to empower people to have a say in the direction of their quality of life).

As far as private HBCUs, they are already in this pinch, and they would similarly be in this pinch if Hillary imposed free community college. However what it would ultimately do is revitalize state and public colleges and universities, and provide the basis of a system that some private institutions could buy into for sustainability. Most private schools have a brand, and they use that now to recruit. It wouldn't be the fault of free college to make those universities more competitive. It would then trigger those private institutions to be even more attractive to students which will only be a net positive to the American student.

2. Raising the minimum wage puts more money into the pockets of people who spend money the most. So those same businesses would not have $9 an hour milk or eggs. In fact, in many models prices go DOWN because there is a more thriving market as well as competition for goods. For food especially, when people can afford it, you don't have to increase margins to offset loss. Additionally the minimum wage is an hourly wage. As much as most people would make more money per hour they also would have a check and balance on their hours. So someone working 8 hours a day for $7.25 could work 4 hours a day and make ultimately the same money. The benefit of that is it puts the working relationship back in proper order. Some people would work that 4-6 hour day because it means being able to take their kid to school in the morning or pick them up in the evening. People would have TIME back (they could even use that time to go to school). Or that same person could work 2 jobs, but double their income in doing so without having to double their work expenditure.

In 2014 Wall Street Bonuses alone were almost double ALL income received by minimum wage earners. Companies can afford to pay living wages, and no not all businesses can afford $15 an hour right out at the start. But it is imperative that the long term and short term answers shouldn't involve a logic where you think MORE people should go without college or a raise so that the INSTITUTIONS can appear viable. When McDonald's turns a profit off the back of their workers, that is not progress. That is getting blood from a stone. It is time that main street actually innovate and pass the revenues to the working apparatus of their success. America is unsustainable unless they do.

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133. "^^ "
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196. "I only got this far"
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1.) It devalues higher education. One of the reasons why jobs that require a college degree pay more than those that don't is because college is supposed to be a reasonable impediment. That's to say that, between academic requirements and cost, some people should be left out so that they can serve in other sectors of the workforce. But all that aside...

So, you mean to tell me that your beautiful little daughter should not have access to a higher education should anything--god forbid--get in the way of your/her capacity to pay?

That her ability to thrive and learn in a post secondary environment is not enough?

And that due to financial circumstance she should be relegated to dishwasher cos, hey, somebody needs to clean my plate.

I'm not buying it.

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13. "Sidenote: Even if she wins, she's not getting two terms."
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I'm not seeing this mentioned anywhere.

There's not going to be 16 straights years of a president from one party, unless The Machines really do rise up sometime between now and 2020 and we want to stay the course with her while we fight our would-be electronic overlords, like we did with FDR 70 years ago.

In fact, the idea that there will be a third/tack-on term for her now is against the odds.

  

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37. "lol same was said about Obama. lesson: anything can happen."
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44. "The same was not said about Obama. He was running as a Democrat"
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after 8 years of a Republican presidency. The presidency was ripe for the Democratic party at that point.

My point is it's extremely difficult for one party to get 3 terms, let alone 4, of the presidency. And Hillary's negatives are way too high for her to be able to buck that trend, in my opinion. It would require someone who inspired as much excitement as Obama did once he won Iowa in the '08 primaries.

  

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60. "I don't remember anyone saying that..."
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at most we were scared he would get shot during his first term.

After W it was a lock whoever the Dem was would get 8 years.

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15. "i actually wouldn't be mad at a Trump presidency."
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i think it would sober the country up to see what letting a buffoon rule looks like. i also don't think, with the right advisors, that trump would be as conservative as he's playing it right now.

but there's one (or more) reason(s) why he can't be president:

conservative supreme court justice(s).

  

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30. "RE: i actually wouldn't be mad at a Trump presidency."
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Say what?

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32. "huh?"
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22. "Plus, Trump is going to run LEFT of Hillary on multiple areas"
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Which is going to make this whole thing such a mess, but we'll get to see all these Democrats and "liberal" voices show their ass and probably make right-wing arguments against him too.

What a complete circus. Yes, if it goes down in flames, I will feel at least a small pang of pleasure at this point. Such phonies.

  

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41. "lmao.. this is going to be a trip"
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already have OKP's talking about no free college and chilling on the minimum wage.

It's pretty much the haves vs the have nots

All the corporate OKP's on here are shouting down progressive ideas.

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49. "Yep lol, we're already seeing it right here"
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40. "You are an idiot and a baby"
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For the record on ALL of the "who do you agree with more" tests I agree with Bernie MORE than Clinton. (I'm for free or very cheap college for all, for medicare for all, for increasing tax rates, for reducing fees, etc.)

But one one I was 98% in agreement with Bernie and 97% with Hillary.

Compare and contrast that with ANY republican and I agree with them like 20% to 25%.

He's got 3 million less votes - not 3,000. Not 30,000. Not 300,000. 3,000,000.

So he's lost.

The only way for him to get the nom is to convince the PARTY ELITE to ignore the voters will and instead go with him. because (his only talking point he's been using all month) "National polls say Bernie does better against Trump than Hillary." (This is the same media you criticize so harshly in EVERY other way when dealing with the presidential race.)

Or if he proves that Vince Foster was murdered. Or whitewater. Or Juanita Broderick. Or the Clinton ran cocaine out or Arkansas and had State Troopers murder people.

So fuck you and you crybaby shit.

Now you want to plunge this country back into the Republican crazy bullshit - and these republicans make Cheney look moderate.

Here's an idea for you: Shoot your face to spite your nose.

Ot stop being a fucking baby - vote to not WRECK the country and then reform the democratic party and then find someone who's not 70+ to participate as a democrat.

Fucking baby.

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89. "Who kemosabe..."
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If Trump wins then he wins. I think the OP is running a scenario on us for discussion's sake... though it is possible.

On Hillary, I can logically say that she will be forced out by the investigation and (probable)forthcoming charges after the convention or after the GE. If either happens you'll have bedlam because there don't appear to be any checks on running a candidate like that who we've been lied too about by MSM, the DNC, and the candidate themselves. That's worse than anything I've seen in pretty much any election.

How do we rectify this? Put Bernie in now and avoid the headache. The establishment really doesn't like true change.

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97. "You an idiot too"
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>If Trump wins then he wins. I think the OP is running a
>scenario on us for discussion's sake... though it is
>possible.

The first sentence: "fuck this country." That doesn't seem like he's running scenarios. It seems like he's a big fucking baby.

>On Hillary, I can logically say that she will be forced out by
>the investigation and (probable)forthcoming charges after the
>convention or after the GE. If either happens you'll have
>bedlam because there don't appear to be any checks on running
>a candidate like that who we've been lied too about by MSM,
>the DNC, and the candidate themselves. That's worse than
>anything I've seen in pretty much any election.

You're fucking high. Honestly insane. You sound like a Republican who's been hunting her for 25 years - and failing.


>How do we rectify this? Put Bernie in now and avoid the
>headache. The establishment really doesn't like true change.

Nor do the VOTERS. 3 million more BRO.It's not even close.

And personally I'd be mad as FUCK if the candidate with the most votes isn't the nominee. (I'd call 1,000 vote difference a ties, maybe 20,000 a tie, but 3 million is a fucking mandate.)

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105. "RE: You an idiot too"
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>>If Trump wins then he wins. I think the OP is running a
>>scenario on us for discussion's sake... though it is
>>possible.
>
>The first sentence: "fuck this country." That doesn't seem
>like he's running scenarios. It seems like he's a big fucking
>baby.
>

Hey man, I don't get as worked up as some in the face of adversity. You should take it all with a grain of salt at this moment.

>>On Hillary, I can logically say that she will be forced out
>by
>>the investigation and (probable)forthcoming charges after
>the
>>convention or after the GE. If either happens you'll have
>>bedlam because there don't appear to be any checks on
>running
>>a candidate like that who we've been lied too about by MSM,
>>the DNC, and the candidate themselves. That's worse than
>>anything I've seen in pretty much any election.
>
>You're fucking high. Honestly insane. You sound like a
>Republican who's been hunting her for 25 years - and failing.
>

I'm not hurting anyone. I just see the facts for what they are. I'm not failing anyone or anything by pointing out the facts. It is what it is, If you know different I'm listening

>
>>How do we rectify this? Put Bernie in now and avoid the
>>headache. The establishment really doesn't like true change.
>
>Nor do the VOTERS. 3 million more BRO.It's not even close.
>
>And personally I'd be mad as FUCK if the candidate with the
>most votes isn't the nominee. (I'd call 1,000 vote difference
>a ties, maybe 20,000 a tie, but 3 million is a fucking
>mandate.)

You have to remember that not all states are primaries. Caucuses aren't able to be broken down into votes. Also, quite a few were closed primaries and have draconian registration deadlines(like NY-registration closed in OCT 2015). If we're gonna go by sheer numbers then you may be interested to figure out how many would come out in the general for a nominee. I have a feeling Hillary wouldn't fair that well against Trump. Let me reiterate that Trump's not my pick.

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93. "3 million votes. Yeah."
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I hate this talking point more that anything.

She has a 3 million vote lead, I concede.

All it cost was closed polling places, adjusted times, purged voting rolls, faulty machines, etc.

That's not even counting the Independents locked out of the process, which is HUGELY important and which may be the undoing of the DNC for the GE with her as the nom.

Bernie has started from so far behind in name recognition, fund raising, etc and is slightly ahead. I feel like this has been a race to California, and Hillary start in New York, but Bernie started in Afghanistan. Now she's a little ahead and people are like "she's CLEARLY winning".

What's so bad, is after June 7th I think a lot of this get shaken up.

But to answer you, no, people are not babies for calling out bullshit when they see it. And your candidate is all but telling independents and Bernie supporters that she doesn't need their vote to beat Trump. She is suggesting she isn't willing to bend her platform to allow for these progressive ideas. She wants to be coach with a bad playbook, yet wants to act as though Bill Walsh is a maniac with his "west coast offense". But she can run the plays better. If you do that shit, own it, and don't be surprised if she gets ripped apart in the GE for all of the same red flags we've been pointing out for the past few months.

If you are willing to say Bernie lost even though damn near everything is against him, then don't say Hillary losing would be Bernie or our fault when she has everything going for her. She will earn her loss the same way he did.

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99. "Votes are not talking points"
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>I hate this talking point more that anything.
>
>She has a 3 million vote lead, I concede.
>
>All it cost was closed polling places, adjusted times, purged
>voting rolls, faulty machines, etc.

You are seriously stating that you believe that 3 MILLION votes out of 20 million were STOLEN by the machinations of the EVIL DNC to benefit Hillary. FOH!

Just prove that shit is out of the "normal" election fucked up process that's always there and I'm with you. (Unless you can to point to an exact perfect election occurring at some point in the past.) Hell prove 1 million stolen votes and I'm with you.

(I will concede that voting is fucked up in every state - but we're stuck with states doing it themselves - and the primary vs caucuses schedule si pretty stupid too. I'd support a winner take all by popular vote by state apportioned by population over the current system.)

>That's not even counting the Independents locked out of the
>process, which is HUGELY important and which may be the
>undoing of the DNC for the GE with her as the nom.

Hey MORON - if you want to vote in a political party nomination then JOIN THE FUCKING PARTY. Bernie did - in 2015.

Bernie's NOT really a Democrat - he's an independent who switch affiliations to gain the money and attention being a nominee for the Democratic Party gives him. It was a pure power move. And with those advantages cam a system that he could have planned for - getting his supporters to switch affiliations seemed like a very logical thing to do.

Alternatively in some states you can vote in the Democratic elections if you are not affiliated with a party and request the Democratic ballot. (California works like this.)

>Bernie has started from so far behind in name recognition,
>fund raising, etc and is slightly ahead. I feel like this has
>been a race to California, and Hillary start in New York, but
>Bernie started in Afghanistan. Now she's a little ahead and
>people are like "she's CLEARLY winning".

Poor baby. He had a tough battle and he lost.


>But to answer you, no, people are not babies for calling out
>bullshit when they see it. And your candidate is all but
>telling independents and Bernie supporters that she doesn't
>need their vote to beat Trump. She is suggesting she isn't
>willing to bend her platform to allow for these progressive
>ideas. She wants to be coach with a bad playbook, yet wants to
>act as though Bill Walsh is a maniac with his "west coast
>offense". But she can run the plays better. If you do that
>shit, own it, and don't be surprised if she gets ripped apart
>in the GE for all of the same red flags we've been pointing
>out for the past few months.

All Bernie has the power to do right now is fuck things up. And you babies are too polarized. You'll end up being a Rand Paul supporter soon.


>If you are willing to say Bernie lost even though damn near
>everything is against him, then don't say Hillary losing would
>be Bernie or our fault when she has everything going for her.
>She will earn her loss the same way he did.


Yeah - Bernie lost to Hillary so we're taking our votes and going home and then we'll show you. Fuck you and when you come begging to do it our way we'll say no, and keep saying fuck you!!.

Trump had a harder climb - and he did. The crazy racists lying fuck won - why couldn't your revolutionary leader?

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114. "RE: Votes are not talking points"
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Votes are not talking points. But to gloat about a 3 million vote lead is like saying you have more money than me but only letting me count my money iny checking and not my savings.

>You are seriously stating that you believe that 3 MILLION
>votes out of 20 million were STOLEN by the machinations of the
>EVIL DNC to benefit Hillary. FOH!
>
>Just prove that shit is out of the "normal" election fucked up
>process that's always there and I'm with you. (Unless you can
>to point to an exact perfect election occurring at some point
>in the past.) Hell prove 1 million stolen votes and I'm with
>you.
>
>(I will concede that voting is fucked up in every state - but
>we're stuck with states doing it themselves - and the primary
>vs caucuses schedule si pretty stupid too. I'd support a
>winner take all by popular vote by state apportioned by
>population over the current system.)

How are you so sure that there aren't? I don't want to take a position of viewing an absense of evidence as absence, but there is no way to PROVE this when its been concealed. New York was the craziest shit I've seen in my life. Sure 3 million Independents were out already, but seeing polling places closed during morning hours, upstate being closed by 6 hours, and basically pushing out potential Bernie supporters. Now there are untold provisional and affadavit ballots in NY alone which were NEVER counted. Not only that but they won't even release the number of ballots that are uncounted. But don't worry, a Clinton delegate is doing an audit to make sure nothing out of pocket happened. This has been the case across the country.

>Hey MORON - if you want to vote in a political party
>nomination then JOIN THE FUCKING PARTY. Bernie did - in 2015.
>
>
>Bernie's NOT really a Democrat - he's an independent who
>switch affiliations to gain the money and attention being a
>nominee for the Democratic Party gives him. It was a pure
>power move. And with those advantages cam a system that he
>could have planned for - getting his supporters to switch
>affiliations seemed like a very logical thing to do.
>
>Alternatively in some states you can vote in the Democratic
>elections if you are not affiliated with a party and request
>the Democratic ballot. (California works like this.)

No, not a moron. However since Hillary is running for President of THE UNITED STATES and not of the Democratic Party all votes should be accounted for so that you can have an accruate projection of how a candidate can do with the American population.

>Poor baby. He had a tough battle and he lost.
>
>
All Bernie has the power to do right now is fuck things up.
>And you babies are too polarized. You'll end up being a Rand
>Paul supporter soon.

No it's not a matter of being beholden to a PERSON. It's about the platform. I'd rather throw my energy behind a progressive Congress and then gear up for midterms and 2020. What is so bad is that Hillary will usually say anything to poll well. Meanwhile all she has to do is make "slight" concessions for the electorate (since their platform is only 1% off to you) and yet she refuses. That tells me everything I need to know about her.

>Yeah - Bernie lost to Hillary so we're taking our votes and
>going home and then we'll show you. Fuck you and when you come
>begging to do it our way we'll say no, and keep saying fuck
>you!!.
>
>Trump had a harder climb - and he did. The crazy racists lying
>fuck won - why couldn't your revolutionary leader?
>

Trump is the nominee of a party full of climate denying birthers and racists. Unfortunately the Democratic Party is not full of progressives. And yet, he still has 45% of a party he has only been a part of for a year, and still carries about 70% of Independents. We will see how June 7th goes though.

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122. "I think you're delusional"
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Here's how to convince me next time: WIN MORE VOTES.

Or get close.

Delegates AND popular vote agree.

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124. "we will see."
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Close would be about 1 million votes short and maybe 100 PLEDGED delegates short. Lets see what happens after June 7th and how delusional I am.

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153. "1 million votes is close to you?? "
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We' talking 26 million total votes for the entire camping.

1 million votes is close to a 4% difference.

So it's okay, to you, in these circumstances to say to a million people "Your VOTE doesn't count."

Is that what you are arguing for??

And recall 51.if you will that in 2008 California went 51.5% to 43.2% to Hillary Over Obama. And Hillary won New Jersey by 53.7% over Obama's 44%.

So Hillary's POPULAR VOTE count will in almost all scenarios INCREASE. And she'll be over 250 more pledge delegates (not super delegates ahead.)

She's going to FLAT OUT WIN.

Hillary lost to Obama by 130 pledge delagtes - Bernie's going to end up losing by twice that amount.




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156. "I believe the outside shot for Bernie is with"
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the pledged delegates. There have 1.8 million new voters registered in California this cycle, almost 200,000 alone yesterday. 46% of them are between the ages of 18-25. I believe those are Bernie supporters by and large.

Conservatively Bernie wins 6 out of 7 (NJ was the other coin flip state with Kentucky, and he almost won there, so I think he can win NJ). Him winning means Hillary falls short of 2383 with the pledged delegate count, hence the contested convention.

However, there is a chance he hits YUUUGGGGGEEE margins in the most progressive and biggest state, and could actually leap frog the pledged delegate lead. he is down 271 with 921 left to go. He needs 65% of the delegates to take the lead. Not too impossible given how he has trended on the West Coast.

So if he takes the lead and it comes down to the super delegates, then it is a 2008 scenario all over again. She'll have the popular vote and he'll have the delegates. THAT'S when you'll really see the fuckery come out. Caint wait!

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158. "IMPOSSBLE for Bernie to get 65% in Califronia"
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>However, there is a chance he hits YUUUGGGGGEEE margins in the
>most progressive and biggest state, and could actually leap
>frog the pledged delegate lead. he is down 271 with 921 left
>to go. He needs 65% of the delegates to take the lead. Not too
>impossible given how he has trended on the West Coast.


This is why I know you are not serious.

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160. "*bookmarks for later uppage*"
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See you in June 8)

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163. "Good for you"
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So if Bernie doesn't get 65% what you gonna say?
How about when Bernie doesn't win a majority of the popular vote? What then?

I think results from this election for states with large populations predict how it will go.

Results for states with over 1 million total vote this cycle:

Massachusetts - Clinton +17,068 <-Very close

Texas - Clinton +459,519

Michigan - Sanders +18,427 <-Very close

Florida - Clinton +530,797

Illinois - Clinton +35,827 <-Very Close

North Carolina - Clinton +156,067

Ohio - Clinton +165,717

Wisconsin - Sanders +135,169

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43. "part of me is honestly just extremely curious about a trump presidency"
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like...what if it's actually good. what if it's worse than we imagine?

what if yall...

what if?

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(John Quincy Adams' wife was the first and last).

  

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51. "We could find out how fcuked up or not our government really is. "
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How much power the president really has.

First meeting with the Generals and they will tell him they ain't committing war crimes and that will be the end of that.

I imagine it could be somewhat like Schwarzenegger or Jesse Ventura's governorship.

The next president will probably be a one termer too.

But I really am not that curious to find out.


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56. "If she wins, Cruz beats her in 2020. If he wins, she thinks long and"
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hard about running again in 2020 and then beats *edit* Trump (but I could see Cruz challenging him again in 2020) *end edit* (at which point she might have a real shot of being a 2 term president).

  

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59. "RE: If she wins, Cruz beats her in 2020. "
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lol...again...what???

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62. "She wants it that bad. She can taste it. She probably has vivid"
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dreams about it.

And if Trump is a true disaster. Like, impeachably bad, she'll see that as her opportunity and take it.

  

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64. "RE: She wants it that bad. She can taste it. She probably has vivid"
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>dreams about it.
>
>And if Trump is a true disaster. Like, impeachably bad,
>she'll see that as her opportunity and take it.


I stopped when u said Cruz could win in 2020....

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63. "If she loses it's over, prolly does a JoePa"
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morbid but iont know what else there is for her to do after she divorces Bill.

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71. "Dies after the rape allegations against Bill pick up steam?"
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Kidding, but not really.

  

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77. "shit....lol"
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65. "I'm more curious in the GE debates and election"
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but once someone wins it's business as usual.

there won't be much change between Hillary and Trump.

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67. "RE: I'm more curious in the GE debates and election"
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>there won't be much change between Hillary and Trump.


I remember people saying the same thing about Gore and W.....

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78. "I don't"
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109. "RE: I don't"
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I do...W's "kindler, gentler" bullshit....The reaching out to black Evangelicals and Latino's...Republicans were happy to see a "mainstream" Republican...They were happy to vote for him...

That was one of the reasons Gore struggled...W chipped away from the Dems minority edge....Sucked away at the Dems (and Gore's) main power sources....Folks were on that "what's the difference" bullshit.....

But W proved to be a dangerous President....There was a difference...And he damn near caused a depression...

And anyone saying that one candidate (Trump) who part of a party that makes it a daily occurrence to strike down health care for 20 million folks, wants to kick out folks because their religion, put an end to Roe vs. Wade, and wants teachers to carry guns in classrooms (BTW, Trump has stumped on all those issues) vs. a candidate who is against all those things (Clinton) equals status quo is out of their minds...lol

I don't care if u think Clinton is a lying ass fuck....I disagree with Trump and the Republican party over 90 percent of the issues...Thats enough for me to vote for the Democratic nominee....

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115. "Trump has thee BEST hype women!!!"
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http://15130-presscdn-0-89.pagely.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/trump-NY-victory-speech.jpg



who dat is?


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and dis?

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53. "titties would be stored and coochies would dry the fuck up. "
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you know how fucking dark shit was when we had bush running shit?

it was a totally different world. NOBODY SAW AS MUCH AS A BOOB.

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75. "MySpace called and said give all the pussy back"
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you know how much ass dudes got off MySpace, which was at its height during the Bush era?
motherfuckers were shook after 9-11, so we just huddled down and commented and inboxed broads who were on some "hold me" shit

  

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80. "that was 2001. Im talking about the political years of 03-08"
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shit was dark.

remember how it was all about going to a political rally and watching he daily show and being angry about shit


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55. "hmm"
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So you dont want the will of the people to speak in the Dem Primaries, but okay if the will of the people speaks in the General as long as Hillary loses?

what kind of cry baby sht is this?

BOO HOO NGA

  

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61. "RE: hmm"
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>So you dont want the will of the people to speak in the Dem
>Primaries, but okay if the will of the people speaks in the
>General as long as Hillary loses?
>
>what kind of cry baby sht is this?
>
>BOO HOO NGA


That's all it is...Crying...

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66. "No, he's saying voters will get what they ask for and he wont mind"
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68. "RE: No, he's saying voters will get what they ask for and he wont mind"
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Oh, people will def. mind Trump....lol

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69. "Right. They will. And the OP won't mind seeing them mind."
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129. "voters are getting what they ask for in the Dem primary too"
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he only seems to be mad about democracy when his guy doesn't make it.

I would be voting Dem in the General even if it was Bernie because of the big picture. Plus you can bet Bernie will have his influence on the Democratic platform going into the General anyway. I really don't see why Bernie supporters are so upset when some of his ideas will make it onto the platform anyway because his strong campaign earned that right.

We haven't even made it to the Convention and some of his supporters seem to have this all or nothing mentality when its always been a compromise among strong Primary contenders. If none of his ideas make the Dem platform coming out of the Convention, i can see why his supporters bail to a third party. And that would be Hillary's fault for not seeing that and endangering her own General election. But i dont see her people being dumb enough not to bring some of Bernie's ideas and influence into the campaign.

Aka dont cry about anything until you see what the General platform will look like.

  

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175. "you have to break this shit down like weight for bernie supporters"
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they like some little kids....

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176. "except without Bernie or bust he doesn't"
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get a seat at the table for the platform. Us witholding our vote is his main leverage. If we all mindlessly "Blue no matter who"d then there'd be no reason for the DNC to bend.

This is what politics and resistance looks like. It's only called violent because the powers that be need to delegitamize our process. We are actually on your side. Let us work.

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70. "but nevermind the lives it will ruin or impact negatively..smh"
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74. "HRC will ruin plenty as well. She's a bigger hawk than he is."
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91. "yall really want Trump? smh."
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92. "Hell no! Lol...Trump would be terrible. I just agree with the OP"
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in that we had a chance to actually have something nice and the Democratic party cock blocked for their BFF and you know what? They'll get what they deserve for that. Meanwhile as much as I can't stand Trump, I'm not seeing Hillary as necessarily better. I don't like either. Period. Jill Stein will get my vote.

  

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98. "RE: Hell no! Lol...Trump would be terrible. I just agree with the OP"
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>in that we had a chance to actually have something nice and
>the Democratic party cock blocked for their BFF and you know
>what? They'll get what they deserve for that. Meanwhile as
>much as I can't stand Trump, I'm not seeing Hillary as
>necessarily better. I don't like either. Period. Jill Stein
>will get my vote.

a vote for Jill is a vote for Trump

  

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81. "with a fishnet Kim Jong jacket "
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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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83. "someone said Cruz will beat Hilary in 2020"
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lol. this place is just as batshit as FB walls

  

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96. "I'm not convinced Cruz could even beat Jared Fogle in a GE"
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123. "LOL. Now I want to see that political contest"
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110. "RE: someone said Cruz will beat Hilary in 2020"
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>lol. this place is just as batshit as FB walls


Fucking nuts....lol

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94. "Electoral votes will make sure he won't make it."
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>fuck this country.
>anybody stupid enough to pass on the agenda bernie (FDR?) was
>putting forward in favor of hilary's vapor can suck a dick.

I wouldn't be surprised if he ended up with the popular vote though on election night.

  

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95. "I'm not with a Trump presidency. Real talk."
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I think most people on this site and of this thinking aren't.

But there is a clear division between wanting the progressive policies of Bernie vs a Presidency with Hillary in the driver's seat.

I am more beholden to the policy than the iconography, and their side seem to be more beholden to Hillary than the policy.

So if they are willing to risk Trump because they want their person in the driver's seat, then cool. Do you. But I can't do that because I'm beholden to the policy.

so MY feeling is this: I'm with Bernie until the convention. If he doesn't get the Democratic nom, then I want him to run as an independent. If he doesn't run as an independent then cool. I am switching my registration to Independent/Unaffiliated with the sweeping consensus that there will need to be a mass exodus from the Democratic party to use as leverage for having the DNC look to open up their primaries and deliver on any progressive legislation they propose. Then worst case I'll vote for Jill Stein since her politics are more in line with my vision for America.

Never Hillary. Never Trump. And I'd rather regroup progressively for the midterms and prepare for 2020. If people really don't want Trump I wish they would reconsider Bernie. It's got to suck to see that Trump is this MONSTER, and yet that monster is barely less favorable than your candidate.

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107. "You broke it down perfectly. Exactly. Thank you. "
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111. "RE: I'm not with a Trump presidency. Real talk."
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>
>so MY feeling is this: I'm with Bernie until the convention.
>If he doesn't get the Democratic nom, then I want him to run
>as an independent.

But this will ensure a Trump victory...U know that right?

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119. "Trump is beating her RIGHT NOW and"
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Hillary clearly doesn't want/need our vote. His Presidency is all but locked up. If that is the case then I will vote my politics because some people in this country want to see the change. A progressive Congress will help thrwatt Trump or Hillary fuckery. If Trump is going to win, then let me lend my vote as an endorsement for change and not for just sitting out.

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125. "RE: Trump is beating her RIGHT NOW and"
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Trump is beating her in some polls (the right leaning FOX NEWS and Rasmussen polls) because your dude Bernie is still acting like he's running a crusade....Now in the polling averages, Clinton still has the lead over Trump....But what u r seeing in terms of Trump's rise is Republicans coming around to him...They are unifying around that fucker...

Clinton is essentially running two campaigns now...One against Bernie and one against Trump...It's like getting into a fist fight with an opponent with one hand tied behind your back....

Bernie knows he's losing. And everyone knows he's gotta find someway to land that plane. But he's also doing some wild shit that even some of his supporters are giving him the side-eye on....

Bottom line: Repugs r unifying...But the Dems are caught up in some bullshit because Bernie wants to turn his loss into an indictment of how Clinton's victory is not on the level...that it's fixed....He's playing a dangerous game....

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128. "*shrugs* this is what democracy looks like."
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This is what a political revolution looks like. Republicans can unify behind Trump because they want power. Bernie supporters can't rally behind Hillary because they want change. It's complicated and there are clear divisions in ideology. Things are going to get messier before they get better.

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139. "RE: *shrugs* this is what democracy looks like."
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>This is what a political revolution looks like. Republicans
>can unify behind Trump because they want power. Bernie
>supporters can't rally behind Hillary because they want
>change. It's complicated and there are clear divisions in
>ideology. Things are going to get messier before they get
>better.


No..political revolution is bloody...People die...That's real political revolution...Whats happening now is a candidate, who seemed to be well meaning in the beginning, now threatening to strap on a suicide vest if he doesn't get his way...

Bernie will take his L sooner or later...That's not the issue. The issue is will he take it by throwing bombs at the very same party he aligned himself with or will he go out with the understanding that Trump and the Republican party should not be allowed in office....?

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152. "that is a lot of violent rhetoric about"
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a guy who is basically fighting tooth and nail to get some platform changes made in behalf of his constituency. To make him a villain because he is wise and savvy enough to now get a seat at the table - on behalf of representing progressive and working class Americans - is beyond admirable. When A. Phillip Randolph and used the THREAT of a March on Washington he was able to do so twice and bring about sweeping change for African Americans. There was no violence or bloodshed, but again it was a political revolution. You THINK the revolution is people marching in the streets and speaking chants, or bloody brawls. Well its not that, entirely. It's about landable punches. Were it not for Bernie or bust we wouldn't have made it this far in leveraging our voices, especially when Hillary has been silent on bending her platform.

Stop acting like Bernie and hus supporters looking for college, health care, living wage, prison and environmental reform is the same as Buggin Out asking for some brothers on Sal's wall. This is about the quality of life of a majority of Americans who have not had someone in their corner for a while. We are going to ride this as far as we can because that is what progress is. It amazes me that he has been able to do so much and influence so much JUST in this campaign in a party he wasn't even a member (aka "someone who gets things done"). I just wish he could tear through Washington the same way for the progress America desperately needs.

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155. "^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^"
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Excellent response.

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159. "what if"
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some of Bernie's important policy proposals make it on the Democratic platform, which Hillary has to run with?

They are forming the platform committee right now with Hillary having 7 people, Bernie 6, and the DNC chair 4 people.

There is a good chance that, and rightly so, that Bernie has a heavy influence on the Democratic platform going into the General.

Will you still vote differently then?

Or are you already out no matter what happens, even if Bernie comes into the Democratic fold after the Convention?

  

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161. "this is a plausible scenario, and I am not trying to dodge your question"
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but I do want to note that THIS is why Bernie or Bust is so important. If people weren't so adamant and vocal about NOT voting for her, then Bernie wouldn't have the leverage to get on the platform committee.

Now it is certainly an important step. The best case scenario I see for voting for Hillary is one where she adopts the part of Bernie's platform. I would STILL change my party affiliation, and make my vote as an Independent: 1. to serve as a check and balance for opening up the primaries; and 2. to send a message that this vote is not for the Democratic Party but for the platform. And that if the platform isn't aggressively pursued then they will risk losing on the population of folks who are already mobilizing away from the Democratic party.

With this there still will be an aggressive effort to flip Congress, as well as turn out in record numbers in the mid terms to set ourselves up for a strong 2020 progressive run, much in the same manner the Tea Party was able to come up the ranks.

I feel like with that in place there would be enough to hold Hillary's feet to the fire because at that point her term would not be guaranteed, and we would have some direction toward the country many of us would like to see. But she would only be keeping the seat warm in that scenario, and I still pray that she not get us into more war in Syria or other parts of the world because I still believe that is tops of her agenda. I don't know if I would be able to lay my vote for a person who I KNOW is looking to do that, but in that circumstance I don't know if it would be needed either.

I am still keeping outside hope that Bernie is the Democratic nominee and then most of this is moot at that point, but I fear it will not be that easy. A lot of things would have to happen for me to vote "for" Hillary.

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165. "respect i hear u"
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i have no problem with anything you said.

  

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174. "So , just a child?"
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>Never Hillary. Never Trump.

So your world view is the tyrannical evil or who you want.

Hillary and Bernie are VERY CLOSE on policy. VERY close. But you think one is pure evil and should NEVER be elected and one is tens of millions of times better?

You:It's like Russia where its Putin or someone Putin gets elected!

You are a child. As is your right.

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180. "Reply 164."
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How are their policies "really close"?

Also, Bernie needs 65% of the remaining delegates to take the pledged delegate lead. I'm not a child. I just am aware that there is an active primary still going on. After ths convention, after the primary, after the Democratic platform has been established, then maybe there would be a reason to vote FOR the Democratic nominee. I have voted in every election I have been eligible since 18. For Hillary to lose my vote is a failure of hers, and potentially the DNCs, not mine.

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101. "I don't wish a Trump presidency on minorities and immigrants"
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i get that it's a funny idea, but fuck naw.... I might not vote Clinton, but fuck Donald Trump. Shit is not cute in any kind of way.

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112. "RE: I don't wish a Trump presidency on minorities and immigrants"
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>i get that it's a funny idea, but fuck naw.... I might not
>vote Clinton, but fuck Donald Trump. Shit is not cute in any
>kind of way.


But people think it is cute....They think they are being brilliant or taking some bold stand...

Fuck anyone who thinks like that...I don't have time for that kind of foolishness...

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102. "i don't"
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i definitely would have preferred bernie, but a trump win means a shitty supreme court for years to come

that's something i have no interest in


i do wish there was an alternate timeline or something though because i am slightly curious to see exactly what the fuck trump would do as prez

  

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106. "Progressives =/= Tea Baggers"
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Both dig their heels in and refuse to compromise, on some "burn it all down!" shit

newsflash: the US is by and large a center-right nation. Of course certain pockets (Bay Area, LA, Austin, The northeast corridor, New england, Cascadia/Portlandia) are anywhere from mainstream liberal to full-on progressive.

Meanwhile, the south, midwest, plains, and southwest are hardcore bible thumping to mainstream conservative

Purple states like Florida and the rust belt can go either way each cycle

But both progressives and tea baggers live in the dreamland where the whole rest of the country thinks and votes likes them

  

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108. "what me worry?"
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just count me out -- i'll let you chase your tails for another 8 years out of my life or whatever while the entire planet disintegrates.

<- way before hashtags.

  

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113. "RE: Progressives =/= Tea Baggers"
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It's not the Progressives doing this...It's a EXTREME progressives and folks who were never Dems to begin with.....They are the Bizarro World Right Wing Tea Party....

I know a lot of progressives who won't pout and bitch and threaten to rip shit up if Bernie doesn't get his way...They are the adults in the room...Good folk....Very reasonable.....

The rest? I'll let everyone else figure it out...

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118. "RE: Progressives =/= Tea Baggers"
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You're an idiot when it comes to this stuff. If anyone is ripping it up it's Hillary supporters. The problem with your type of Shill is that you think you know everything and don't listen. It'll be alright though.

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126. "RE: Progressives =/= Tea Baggers"
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>You're an idiot when it comes to this stuff. If anyone is
>ripping it up it's Hillary supporters. The problem with your
>type of Shill is that you think you know everything and don't
>listen. It'll be alright though.

Nah....The only thing I know is who is winning that Democratic race....That's it...

I'm a Democrat, homie...I'm voting for the winner....If Bernie was winning I would be voting for him...It just so happens that Clinton is leading and on her way to getting the nomination, so she gets my vote in the general...

I keep telling u...Whether it's Bernie, Clinton, Biden, ANYBODY....They will get my vote if they are the Democratic nominee...But it's essentially over.....I don't pout like a child when I don't get my way and threaten to tear shit and open up a lane for Trump to slide in to that office...If that's how u want to get down, good luck with that...

And fuck u with that Shill shit....I've stated my case more than enough that I'm clinical as hell when it comes to this...No worshipping of false idols...Clinton is a politician who is playing the game like everybody else...But she is running on the Dem's platform which I happen to agree with on 90 percent....

U think Bernie walks on water? Cool. Become an Evangelical or something....Join a church....But chill with that bullshit...

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130. "::Hillary cackle::"
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You're pretty lame. Your arguments don't hold a whole lot of water because you don't think. It's evident to me.

You're 3 million + voter argument doesn't parse through the BS of the slanted primary we're going through and all the negatives that your pre-primary chosen candidate exhibits. You are a Shill because you're blinded by MSM and their coronation process. When Bernie comes out on top I won't say a word about how idiotic you've been, I promise.

Just be mad that I was right. That's all I ask lol.

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134. "RE: ::Hillary cackle::"
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Hey dog...Read this and come back reality...Like I said..Clinical...Sterile...Numbers...Nothing else. U better believe that if the shoe was on the other foot and Sanders was leading I would be saying the same shit...Don't get into your feelings...Don't make it personal...Just read and take a deep breath...

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Clinton Will Likely Clinch The Democratic Nomination In New Jersey

"We’ve known for some time that Hillary Clinton will almost certainly be the Democratic nominee. But when will she clinch the nomination? If you look at the few remaining contests on the Democratic primary calendar, the major news outlets — barring something devastating happening to the Clinton campaign in the next few weeks — are likely to declare Clinton the nominee on June 7. More specifically, New Jersey will likely push Clinton across the finish line, and she may clinch the nomination even before the polls close in California.

If major news outlets declare Clinton the nominee on June 7, they will be counting superdelegates, as they did in 2008 when they declared Barack Obama the presumptive Democratic nominee on June 3. Now, you might ask “why include superdelegates?” It’s a fair question; superdelegates can change their minds, after all. For that reason, we haven’t included them in our delegate tracker — there was a chance that superdelegates backing Clinton might switch sides, particularly if Bernie Sanders was able to win a majority of elected delegates."

And this...........

"But that seems virtually impossible now. Sanders would need to win 68 percent of the remaining elected delegates to take a pledged delegate lead, and both the polls and demographics point to his defeat in the two largest delegate prizes remaining, California and New Jersey. Which is all to say there’s now a good argument for counting superdelegates.

If we do include superdelegates, Clinton is currently 85 delegates short of the 2,383 delegates necessary to clinch the nomination, according to NBC News. The first state to completely close its polls on June 7 is New Jersey at 8 p.m. EDT. Clinton needs to win just 40.5 percent of the 126 pledged delegates available in the Garden State to get 51 delegates. She has led in every single poll conducted in New Jersey, including two in May, which had her ahead by 28 percentage points and 14 percentage points. The demographics-based model has her winning by somewhere in the mid-teens. Unless something crazy happens — and crazy things have found a way of happening in 2016 — Clinton will likely reach 2,383 delegates in New Jersey."

It's basically all in the math. No one needs to be super involved in the political thing to count...If your game plan is wishing that Clinton gets tripped up by the FBI, It's going to be a rough day....

Link to full feature: http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/clinton-will-likely-clinch-the-democratic-nomination-in-new-jersey/

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136. "RE: ::Hillary cackle::"
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Yeah, with the super delegates added on. They haven't decided yet. I'm always a move ahead. Remember that.

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138. "RE: ::Hillary cackle::"
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>Yeah, with the super delegates added on. They haven't decided
>yet. I'm always a move ahead. Remember that.


Nigga, BERNIE IS HUNTING FOR SUPER DELEGATES....lol...That's been his excuse for staying in the race.....Dude has been saying "Well, we can get the super delegates to come on our side....."

That's the only reason he's staying in the race....U know that...right?

And the point of the article has nothing to do with super delegates...It's comparing Obama's point of winning (he had less votes than Clinton at this point) to Clinton's point in 2016....Basically, Obama won because the super delegates came out and said, We rolling with dude...

When the SD's do the same thing with Clinton will u be crying about that too?

Not even being snarky..I'm trying to understand your logic of saying a candidate losing big can win, when that same candidate is only remaining in the race because he actually believes he can win over SUPER DELEGATES........

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140. "He polls much better for the general election"
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Also, he still draws more independents, which Hillary would actually need to win. She has high unfavorables and they CAN get worse with each brewing scandal(Bill's plane rides with the pedophile and the FBI investigations ready to pop off). She also made the same case when she ran against Obama, with a weaker premise. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x4v1LOlE-_Q). There are numerous reasons if you care to look outside of the box you're in.

Also, do you think name recognition has anything to so with why she was able to get any type of lead? The dice were loaded from the beginning with MSM playing along with her campaign. They also have something to lose if Bernie wins. They also count as the establishment with big money ties.

Is that enough for you?

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141. "RE: He polls much better for the general election"
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U not answering the question....How can YOU say COOL with a candidate who is losing, who claims to be staying in the race because he can win over super delegates, and then dismiss his opponent (and her super delegates); the same candidate who leading with the raw numbers by 2 to 3 million and will most likely win by June 7th because the math is on their side?

It's a self-fullfilling prophecy....If a candidate (Bernie) stays in a race knowing he has no chance of coming back from, and they do so under the whole banner of IT'S FIXED, then how will the frontrunner (Clinton) look to the general public? What do u think will happen when it comes to, say, current polling?

Trump's folks are coming around to the idea that he will be their nominee....They are unifying around the ticket...Once Bernie drops out, the same will happen with Clinton (in terms of the Democratic Party being able to pivot to the general and go guns blazing on Trump)...

Again, the question of whether Bernie should drop out is moot...He can stay in as long as he possibly can...It's what's actually coming out of his mouth that is hurting the party that he joined...

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149. "It's because he HAS NOT LOST"
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SHE HAS NOT WON. You see those remaining states.... yeah. Those remaining states. They have not voted. Of course it's a "steep hill" to climb. But it can be climbed. I'm cool with that. Understand?... is that a nod of agreement?... ok.

Don't assume that she will get it all together if she were to win either. Her campaign is a huge cluster despite her YUUUUGE built in advantage. Make no mistake that she's been running for 10 years and not just 1 here like Bernie.

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132. "nigga stop crying... shit. "
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135. "RE: nigga stop crying... shit. "
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Huh? Dude came at me unprovoked....What the fuck u talking bout?

Slow down, homie....Stay yo' ass out of it....lol

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137. "::Cackle intensifies::"
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::Makeup runs::

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143. "murph crying like shit"
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it's "politics is dirty.. that's how you play the game" until Hilldawg takes a hit then all a sudden it's Bernie's fault.

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144. "RE: murph crying like shit"
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>it's "politics is dirty.. that's how you play the game" until
>Hilldawg takes a hit then all a sudden it's Bernie's fault.


Nah...I'm calling bullshit....

U can't claim that super delegates are dirty and that peeling away delegates through rules that have long been implemented before this election is dirty and THEN attempt to do that very same things, lose and then cry about it...

It's called hypocrisy....

What Bernie is doing is classic sore loser shit...lol...

Dude is on some, THE ONLY WIN THAT'S LEGIT IS A BERNIE SANDERS WIN....

That's my beef....

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145. "How about both are true..."
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...for $1000, Alex.

I refuse to believe you're this simple. It's easy to bunch up your panties, huh?

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146. "RE: How about both are true..."
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Winners and losers...That's the primary election....

Bernie will move on....He's already setting it up to bow out....

But that's never been the issue for me....

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147. "Director James Comey is also setting up"
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I think that's what you need to focus on. Can't dodge that one, huh?

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151. "only thing i thougt was dirty was including superdelegates in the count"
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before the first vote was cast.

and i coild see if Bernie was getting spanked down the stretch but he is winning most of these states.

its foolosh for him to drop outn foolish to tone down his progressive message. The DNC needs to adopt more progressive stances and needs to recognize the youth and a large segment of america want change.

Push Hillary to adopt more of his positions and give him more seats at the table or risking losing it all to Trump.

If she cant beat Trump because of "Bernie" then she was the wrong candidate. Its fucking Donald Trump. They are on good terms so she should have no problem winning.

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116. "http://giphy.com/gifs/P9YPCac32eDcI"
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http://giphy.com/gifs/P9YPCac32eDcI

  

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121. "well thats pretty dumb"
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seriously

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127. "RE: well thats pretty dumb"
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>seriously


There's a lot of stupid shit being posted in this thread...A lot of smart-dumb nigga shit being spouted...

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131. "Only if there is no reasoning"
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His argument is strong. I think brother Malcolm would have had the same initial reasoning. There's nothing wrong with it.

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142. "you post exactly the same across all forums huh lmao "
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if we changed the key characters in this post to rappers it would work in the LEsson lol

  

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148. "I chuckled"
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vu_f3nLH5Ug&feature=youtu.be

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150. "Privilege."
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Trump would be a disaster. like, US would turn immediately into Greece.

Hillary would be ... a doorstop. but the chance to keep more conservatives off the Supreme Court is the one reason I'd not allow Trump.

and I hear you. I hate the presumptive, coronation feeling. I hate that she campaigns like she ain't take the ether in the 2008 primaries or like the last 8 years haven't happened. I hate that the DNC has undone all of Obama's (symbolic) work to keep the lobbyists away from the presidential campaign.

but more than ALL of that, I hate the fact that once again, an opportunity to realign political parties due to the absolutely extreme fucked-upitude of the GOP is being squashed by the most stubborn form of pathological Whiteness there is. and for this same reason, we're all in danger of a Trump presidency.

Yes, I'm mad. Let's move on.

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157. "I feel you Doc, but that's not entirely fair."
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It is not that people don't get the threat that Trump is. It is that politically they know that there won't be as much of a difference in their lives with either at the helm.

Trust me, I saw NC go Red after Obama, and like the next day my mom lost her unemployment benefits. There ARE real needs at stake. I think the resentment is more to the notion that yes Hillary would be a buffer to Trump's fuckery, but that if we keep things the way they are that is not as inspiring to activate yourself towards. Hell, I'm doing alright but work 60 hours a week, can't afford my health care, can't finish my degree, need a knee surgery, and all types of shit - and I'm doing alright all things considered. There are slews of people where unless there is drastic change this doesn't matter. It's not privilege, it's despair, because they feel like as long as Trump and Hillary are the ones talking that they aint talking to them.

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179. "the problem I have with this viewpoint is the continual"
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equating of the two, like there is no difference.
there is a difference. not enough of a difference, but significant enough that there's a clear "worse" option.

and right now, being gifted the loss of one of the worst Supreme Court justices EVER, with red states openly defiant to federal rulings and federal law, with the steep corruption in government in general...

someone "Bernie"-like would be the ideal choice, but our electorate is assjuice and I'm not gonna bet on them not being so and waking up enough in droves to move out of the 2-party paradigm to not only prevent Trump but everything else downstream.

(honestly, I think we need to be working on getting more "Bernies" in Congress and in state government rather than for president)

  

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181. "you're not wrong, but I think it is because people"
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view things a sliding scale with Hillary.

Put it like this: police brutality is horrible right now. Damn near epidemic of police driven state sanctioned abuse of power. Would that police state be EVEN WORSE under Trump? Hell yes it would. No one denies it. But to compare the two is to not say that there is no difference between THEM. It is simply to say that NEITHER of them will offer improvements to that issue at hand. When we see Hillary, we see "could be worse, vote for me". When we see Bernie, who is still actively in a primary contest, we see "could be better, vote for me".

To those key issues, Bernie is an improvement, and the displacement of Hillary vs Trump is a net wash. Grossly they are definitely different, but to the effect on the average American, they will not see those improvements in their lives under Hillary or Trump. Yes, I am concerned that Trump will have many enemies turn against us. I am also concerned that Hillary's hawkish past will trigger other nations to retaliate 9/11 style because they too do not want more of the same of American imperialism. She is the current poster child for that. Bernie is the only candidate looking for peace and diplomacy. That matters, so I am sorry. Trump is dangerous, but so is Hillary. She's even been savvy enough to make her "positives" her "strength" and "hawkishness". She is going to start another war while at the same time saying that we can't afford these social programs for a desperate working class.

To the average displaced person, I'm sorry but hell, they are already broke. They gonna get broker? They are already sick and uninsured. They gonna get sicker? They are already under or unemployed. They gonna lose their job? They are an immigrant and had to hop a fence. Now they gotta hop a wall? Trump wants to ban Muslims. Did Muslims not face discrimination IN NY after 9/11 while she was here? These people you see as "privileged" are actually disenfranchised, because this system is disengaged with them. If they are not going to be considered, then how can you expect them to buy into a system that is built on capitalizing off of their struggle? Nobody is going to get motivated for their own destruction just because this candidate decides to impose it more slowly.



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154. "Let's give a thin-skinned narcissist the nuclear codes. Good thought!"
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I'm a Bernie supporter... but regardless of the policies of Trump and Hillary, I'd be overwhelmingly happy to vote Hillary because I simply can't trust Trump to do the politically savvy thing.

The UK already has publicly declared their disdain for Trump-- didn't they consider at one point blocking him from entry to the country? AND THAT'S OUR CLOSEST ALLY. If Trump was blocked from entering UK, his response would probably be, "Fuck the UK, we don't need them. We're great by ourselves!" Which is, of course, the worst response imaginable.

That's not even considering what happens if Kim Jong Un decides to make a statement about Trump. Or, scarier still, China. Trump would do his usual insult-laced tough talk and unquestionably makes things worse.

We live in a world where global annihilation really is closer than people think. And the best way to keep the peace is to have someone politically savvy on that front.

My trust level there goes: Bernie > Hillary >>>>>>>>>>>> (infinity) >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Trump

So I will gladly vote for whomever it takes to ensure that lunatic doesn't get the White House. I won't have to swallow a Hillary presidency like a bitter pill. I will be overjoyed that Trump didn't get the White House, and that we have someone with political experience who won't toss out insults the second someone says something disdainful about her.

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162. "NYT Op-ed: Bernie's support has very little to do with his "agenda.""
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Which makes sense, considering that Bernie and Hillary's agendas are essentially equivalent.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/23/opinion/campaign-stops/do-sanders-supporters-favor-his-policies.html

Do Sanders Supporters Favor His Policies?
By CHRISTOPHER H. ACHEN and LARRY M. BARTELS
MAY 23, 2016

Bernie Sanders is widely credited with pulling Hillary Clinton and the Democratic Party to the left on major issues like health care, trade, financial regulation and the minimum wage. Now he says he will battle all the way to the convention on behalf of “people who are prepared to fight for real economic and social change.” But the premise animating that battle — that Mr. Sanders’s surprising success in the primary race is because of his liberal policy positions — may be familiar and comforting, but it is greatly exaggerated.

The notion that elections are decided by voters’ carefully weighing competing candidates’ stands on major issues reflects a strong faith in American political culture that citizens can control their government from the voting booth. We call it the “folk theory” of democracy.

When candidates surpass expectations, observers caught up in the folk theory believe that they have tapped some newly potent political issue or ideology. Thus, many analysts have argued that Mr. Sanders’s surprising support signals a momentous shift to the left among Democrats.

But wishing does not make it so. Decades of social-scientific evidence show that voting behavior is primarily a product of inherited partisan loyalties, social identities and symbolic attachments. Over time, engaged citizens may construct policy preferences and ideologies that rationalize their choices, but those issues are seldom fundamental.

That is one key reason contemporary American politics is so polarized: The electoral penalty for candidates taking extreme positions is quite modest because voters in the political center do not reliably support the candidates closest to them on the issues. (Mitt Romney is just the most recent presidential candidate to lose despite being perceived by most voters as closer to their ideological views than his opponent on a spectrum running from “extremely liberal” to “extremely conservative.”)

The most powerful social identities and symbolic attachments in this year’s Democratic race have favored Mrs. Clinton, not Mr. Sanders. She has been a leading figure in the Democratic Party for decades, a role model for many women and a longtime ally of African-Americans and other minority groups. For many primary voters, that history constitutes a powerful bond, and their loyalties are propelling Mrs. Clinton to the nomination despite her limitations as a candidate.

Mr. Sanders, on the other hand, is a sort of anti-Clinton — a political maverick from lily-white Vermont whose main claim to fame has been his insistence on calling himself an independent, a socialist, anything but a Democrat. That history has made him a convenient vessel for antipathy to Mrs. Clinton, the Democratic establishment and some of the party’s key constituencies. But it is a mistake to assume that voters who support Mr. Sanders because he is not Mrs. Clinton necessarily favor his left-leaning policy views.

Exit polls conducted in two dozen primary and caucus states from early February through the end of April reveal only modest evidence of ideological structure in Democratic voting patterns, but ample evidence of the importance of group loyalties.

Mr. Sanders did just nine points better, on average, among liberals than he did among moderates. By comparison, he did 11 points worse among women than among men, 18 points worse among nonwhites than among whites and 28 points worse among those who identified as Democrats than among independents.

It is very hard to point to differences between Mrs. Clinton and Mr. Sanders’s proposed policies that could plausibly account for such substantial cleavages. They are reflections of social identities, symbolic commitments and partisan loyalties.

Yet commentators who have been ready and willing to attribute Donald Trump’s success to anger, authoritarianism, or racism rather than policy issues have taken little note of the extent to which Mr. Sanders’s support is concentrated not among liberal ideologues but among disaffected white men.

More detailed evidence casts further doubt on the notion that support for Mr. Sanders reflects a shift to the left in the policy preferences of Democrats. In a survey conducted for the American National Election Studies in late January, supporters of Mr. Sanders were more pessimistic than Mrs. Clinton’s supporters about “opportunity in America today for the average person to get ahead” and more likely to say that economic inequality had increased.

However, they were less likely than Mrs. Clinton’s supporters to favor concrete policies that Mr. Sanders has offered as remedies for these ills, including a higher minimum wage, increasing government spending on health care and an expansion of government services financed by higher taxes. It is quite a stretch to view these people as the vanguard of a new, social-democratic-trending Democratic Party.

Mr. Sanders has drawn enthusiastic support from young people, a common pattern for outsider candidates. But here, too, the impression of ideological commitment is mostly illusory. While young Democrats in the January survey were more likely than those over age 35 to call themselves liberals, their ideological self-designations seem to have been much more lightly held, varying significantly when they were reinterviewed.

Moreover, warm views of Mr. Sanders increased the liberalism of young Democrats by as much as 1.5 points on the seven-point ideological scale. For many of them, liberal ideology seems to have been a short-term byproduct of enthusiasm for Mr. Sanders rather than a stable political conviction.

Perhaps for that reason, the generational difference in ideology seems not to have translated into more liberal positions on concrete policy issues — even on the specific issues championed by Mr. Sanders. For example, young Democrats were less likely than older Democrats to support increased government funding of health care, substantially less likely to favor a higher minimum wage and less likely to support expanding government services. Their distinctive liberalism is mostly a matter of adopting campaign labels, not policy preferences.

Abraham Lincoln promised Americans “government of the people, by the people, for the people,” a notable departure from the republican system set up by the architects of the Constitution. In the 150 years since Lincoln, the ideal of government “by the people” has reshaped Americans’ democratic aspirations and their political practices — for example, in the Progressive Era introductions of direct primary elections and referendums and initiatives. It has also altered the way journalists and analysts see and describe electoral politics.

But that ideal makes sense, descriptively and normatively, only if citizens understand politics in terms of issues and ideologies and use their votes to convey clear policy signals that then determine the course of public policy. Americans’ commitment to the folk theory of democracy may make them wish that elections worked that way. But in the case of Bernie Sanders, as so often, belief in the folk theory is an act of faith, not realism.

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Christopher H. Achen, a political scientist at Princeton, and Larry M. Bartels, a political scientist at Vanderbilt, are the authors of “Democracy for Realists: Why Elections Do Not Produce Responsive Government.”

  

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164. "Ok let me help you out, since I am not a "disaffected white man""
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as listed in the article.

"Which makes sense, considering that Bernie and Hillary's agendas are essentially equivalent."

Ok since you make so much sense, explain this to me: Bill Clinton was president from '92-'00; GWB was president from '00-'08; Obama was President from '08 to present; Hillary was NY Senator from '00-'08 and Secretary of State from '08-'12; Bernie has been in Congress from '90-Present.

THEREFORE: Bernie has been in Congress for 25+ years, and in that time he has had a consistent message with much of his same platform and ideas. In that same time span, Bill Clinton and Obama were President (since Hillary is hitching her wagon to them) and during Bush's years she actually voted along side much of his policies, war and tax cuts especially. She also lent her Senatorial capacity to the Wall Street bailout, against Sanders's opposition.

So my question is: if Bernie and Hillary, or just the Democratic Party for that matter, have the same policy, then why is it that the first time we have heard this platform from a Democrats mouth is when that Democrat was BERNIE SANDERS?

When he says single payer and public colleges and universities for all, and she says "well not for all, but I would like to make them more affordable", that is NOT, NOT, NOT, NOT, NOT the same thing. One is actually a bold position, and the other is a placeholder until an actual position is figured out. To be for women's rights but not provide health care to all people is to not be for women's rights. I am counting down to July so that I can opt out of my insurance through the ACA because it almost put me in the poorhouse. I would much rather prefer the single payer system. I spent a whole year paying for insurance, but working so much to pay for it that I never even made it a doctor. Why? Marshawn Lynch: I'm just here so I don't get fined. The ACA has been a benefit to many people who didn't have health care before, but so would a single payer system. And it would provide access to ALL as a RIGHT. That is not at all like what Hillary is proposing.

I think perhaps MAYBE the reason why people are galvanizing around Bernie Sanders, and also not ready to jump behind Hillary, is because Bernie demonstrates an unapologetic stance behind his platform. He actually stands for something and it is consistent over his years as a Mayor, Representative, and Senator. HE has been a bulldog against wall street and unnecessary war. Sorry but that's our Quarterback. Stop trying to push Matt Leinart on a team that has Cam Newton.

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166. "bernie has been eliminated...time to come on home"
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he jus fkn it up for erybody else at this point....like i said if dudes agenda is soo tough...why he aint run 4 yrs ago or even 8??? AND WHERE WOULD U NIGGAS HAVE BEEN????

he woulda lost then...like he losing now

time to come on home

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167. "maybe he would have lost in 2008, but"
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I would have voted for Bernie in 2008 over Obama.

Obama got my vote in 2008 specifically because of his anti-lobbying and transparency in government. Bernie would have gone even further on that platform.

He may have lost, but he would have gotten my vote in the primary.

The sadder revelation is that a lot of my peoples did simply vote for Obama because he was Black. It wasn't that much about policy. If so, then Bernie definitely progresses on Obama's platform (Obama originally wanted single payer too).

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168. "come on home to what?"
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like i'm in the overwhelming majority of people who are not moved by bs rhetoric to vote for whoever appears more 'presidential'.

you can have the pageantry that people have have turned elections into.

bernie was actually talking about addressing issues i've been posting on here about for 20 years.

i genuinely thought i had a chance to be represented in politics in the way obama pretended he was going to 'change' things.

<- way before hashtags.

  

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169. "okay but hes genuinely losing...time to come home"
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to the party you wanna be a part of....i love bernies agenda but this country jus aint ready for that and you have to concede that and take baby steps like eryone else....the answer is NOT to say fk it.....lets trump in bcz im mad bernies agenda didnt push thru this time


>like i'm in the overwhelming majority of people who are not
>moved by bs rhetoric to vote for whoever appears more
>'presidential'.
>
>you can have the pageantry that people have have turned
>elections into.
>
>bernie was actually talking about addressing issues i've been
>posting on here about for 20 years.
>
>i genuinely thought i had a chance to be represented in
>politics in the way obama pretended he was going to 'change'
>things.

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172. "did you not read the op?"
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what i think and what i want is obviously the minority.

so fuck y'all... you can have this country and do whatever you want with it.

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171. "HRC wins, the message would be ''go home'' and ''stay home''"
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173. "i dunno if people have a sense of urgency in addressing issues..."
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like climate change, social security, the household/student debt bubble, income inequality, etc.

to me, when you explore the impact these things have it's very possible that these issues are going to destroy the country/the planet in the coming years and these little bs symbolic gesture fixes aren't going to be enough to stave off the actual ramifications.

we need serious prioritization and principled reform.

and we're not getting that thanks to the majority of the american public.

ok, then y'all can have it then...

i guess i'm just chicken little.

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177. "Man, I feel you"
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178. "The investigation is "coming on home""
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We still have some obstacles but the law, in this case, looks to be working on our behalf.

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182. "Unless they ready to round up colin powell and bill clinton amongst"
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a whole host of others who also used personal servers.. aint nothing to see here buddy.. yall niggas regurgitatin and dry heavin at the same time...
bernie need to give it up too

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184. "Neither candidate will win the nomination on pledged delegates"
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the DNC will pick the candidate

= democracy

please discuss.

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185. "presidents come and go"
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and ultimately have checks on their power
what you need to be thinking about is who is going to pick better Supreme Court justices
I don't care how much everyone hates Hillary
Bernie lost the nomination process
And Hillary will give us better justices than Trump
That's really all there is to it for me.

  

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186. "He has not lost..."
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...don't say it until it has happened... you can't say that with absolute certainty until the convention. You are telling a lie at this point.

You can presume if you wish. I'll be here to correct the record for you.

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187. "OK"
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Bernie has LIKELY lost
better?

  

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188. "How about "Barring a MIRACLE Bernie has lost""
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A miracle for Bernie would be that Clinton becomes ill or dies.

Or Clinton is indicated for a crime such as child molestation or murder, and photos of the act are released.

Or Jesus appears to each super delegate (even the Jewish ones) and commands them to vote for Bernie.

Or the most unlikely of all: Bernie wins 65% of the popular vote in ALL of the remaining primaries AND then the super delagtes switch their votes to him.


Basically those or the scenarios - so go ahead and fucking say it "Bernie has lost."

Or be fucking pedantic and says "You can't predict with 100% certainty future events, like what if the Flash runs back in time and changes it?"

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189. "i was trying to be nice"
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but yes, thats about the size of it

  

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191. "You can say it, but it holds no truth"
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It won't take a "miracle". Unless you consider Clinton shooting herself in the foot in 2009 becoming SoS. That was a YUUUUGE mistake on her part. You can toss in most of her political career as well.

Well, maybe she wasn't that bad of a Senator? ::shrugs::

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190. "I can vibe with that better"
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I still humbly disagree. I can see what thinking brings you there.

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192. "That's about as Bernie Bro as it gets, bro. I am just rooting for entrop..."
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I don't care that America passed on Bernie Sanders, it was a sign of progress that he picked up any steam at all and while I support(ed) him, he would have have a shitty presidency. Think Jimmy Carter, a smart, decent man ... and that has no place in politics, much less presidential politics.

But I am kinda rooting for Trump because I am rooting for the entropy of the American political system. If it's come to this, maybe something will change. Also it's obvious he is not going to even try most of the ridiculous things he has generated publicity with (e.g. Mexico pays for a wall at the Mexican border) and he won't be able to accomplish what he does try. So what his victory will do to wake people the fuck up outweighs what it will do to actually have him as the most powerful political figure in the world as far as I am concerned. Either that or he will put people around him who know what they are doing. He is an asshole but he is not a far-right guy, not the Republican establishment.

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193. "Cruz would've actually done that shit. Trump just wants a story"
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194. "dude, you just out Bernie Bro'd him. "
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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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197. "Lol"
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