https://youtu.be/ro1wOp9RTN0

Good luck baby cuz you'll need it.

As soon as that baby exits her body he/she is no longer her property. What she's doing here should be a crime. I know this shit is complicated....but the mother and father should have EQUAL rights to that child. Can you imagine what would happen if he picked up the baby and did the same shit she's doing? He'd probably go to jail. So should she.

Whatever he might've done...cheated on her or whatever. That is completely irrelevant to his rights as a father. This shit infuriates me.

Um scientific evidence will call your argument bullshit. The child MUST bond with the mother for the first 3 years of life. Dad could disappear and come back and the child won't know a difference.

Men matter much later when the child is 5-18. But honestly, the mother connection, closeness to the heart, breathing, breastmilk is absolutely critical for the child's healthy nervous system, trust and development. Which is why so many adopted children have issues. Even if they live with the dad, the kids feel the pain of not bonding with the mother.


This man is trying to be aggressive and angry. He is a criminal.

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...you're making it seem as if any interaction with a father lessens the mother's impact..

The first few hours after birth, the child needs to be close to the mother. By tearing the child away from the mother, the father is creating an unsafe environment for the child's nervous system. If he waited just a few days, maybe even weeks, considering his aggressiveness, then it is better for the child than screaming at the mother while in the hospital bed.

He is an animal and if the woman had any protection, he would have not gotten that close to her or the child.

Male partner violence, (ESPECIALLY AMONG BLACK MEN) is out of control.

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He simply asked to hold his child. I held my daughter before her mother did after birth. There is no scientific need for the mother to be the only one that holds a child after birth. Couples who get along do it all the time.

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We have no idea what that woman went through. I have given birth and it is a near death experience.

Some women have to be forced to hold the baby. But this man should demand that he holds the baby in the aggressive manner that he did.

She looks frightened and he is raising his voice.

He is selfish and predatory. This is an open and shut case to me.

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and just for painting with such a broad brush because you happen to have a vagina...you kind gotta get the fuck outta here cause you trippin and we don't know where it'll end if this is how you lead off.

you a fool.

if I had not been in my daughters life during the first 5 years, and held her as a child I'm sure she wouldn't consider me her 'first best friend'. If I had taken this advice, I'd come through a wormhole in time and kick you in the fuckin chest. LOL

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The guy is obviously upset because the mother
won't simply let him hold his son. This doesn't
make him an "animal" or "criminal", it makes him
human. Denny just said up there that he held
his child before the mother did, and that this
would also make him upset. He's white.
Why are you not attacking white men this way
(or just all men, for that matter)? Is the
brainwashing that strong?
Geezus.

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My perception is that Mori's view is not informed because of a racist belief.

I'm not in agreement with the way you're characterizing her contention. I think Mori expresses a widely held belief that is not racially or gender exclusive. But it's clear that the way this problem manifests is different for people of different races. That is...the obstacles that black males face unrelated to custody become exacerbated by child custody disputes. They suffer this inequality to a greater degree and in higher numbers. But all men are unequal in child custody disputes regardless of race.

I'm just saying I don't think Mori's comments are evidence that she is against black men in particular. I think most women of all colors (and men for that matter) feel the same way.

>That is...the obstacles that black males
>face unrelated to custody become exacerbated by child custody
>disputes. They suffer this inequality to a greater degree and
>in higher numbers.


This is very true, yet Mori fails to acknowledge this,
because acknowledging this would appropriately direct
her anger. She prefers being mad at Black men, solely,
instead of the system that oppresses Black folk (because
lord knows both sexes could bust out a laundry list of
negative experiences involving the opposite sex, since
we are an oppressed people living with one another).
This is common.


>But all men are unequal in child custody
>disputes regardless of race.


True as well.

>I'm just saying I don't think Mori's comments are evidence
>that she is against black men in particular.

Oh, but they are. Perhaps you are acknowledging that
she may not *intend* for the comments to be anti-Black male.
I can agree that this *may* not be the intention, but it is
the result. Simply because a person doesn't intend for their
comments to be offensive, doesn't mean that they aren't.
I'm making it clear that they are.

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Then that is YOUR issue.

I see this a man hating on black motherhood.

The race of the father is irrelevant. The issue is hte manner in which the father will go to get what he wants.

Leaning in close to the woman, raising his voice, staring her down, trying to trap her with a phone.

The woman is shielding her child and without raising her voice, asking the man to leave.

This is not about race, but behavior. The original white male poster chose to showcase a dysfunctional black couple. But I hate black men?

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And seem to have issues you really need to iron out.

That's all I have to add to this post.

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

Personally I think five is an extremely conservative pick.

I’m betting she’s also filed for at least the same number of restraining orders on men who also have restraining orders on her.

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You live close to Philly?

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

The type of Black women that live in that gentrified, over-valued, hipster-y, full-of-transplants neighborhood are the types that don't make eye contact and look all annoyed at even seeing black men. Had to check this one jawn's ID and she looked pained and dismayed at even having to interact with an actual negro (of course she had an all-white crew she was rolling with).

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Means I hate black men??

This video speaks for itself. If you can't see the abuse adn violence in this video, this says more about your relationship to black men than what I am saying.

You are saying aggressive behavior, forcing someone to look you in the eye is okay?

Just because I don't see this man as a victim means I hate all black men?

So only upper class educated black women stand up for themselves and other women?

Only "down" black women who live in poor neighborhoods allow themselves to get beat up, abused, and violated.

Got it.

Thanks.

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>The first few hours after birth, the child needs to be close
>to the mother. By tearing the child away from the mother, the
>father is creating an unsafe environment for the child's
>nervous system. If he waited just a few days, maybe even
>weeks, considering his aggressiveness, then it is better for
>the child than screaming at the mother while in the hospital
>bed.
>
>He is an animal and if the woman had any protection, he would
>have not gotten that close to her or the child.
>
>Male partner violence, (ESPECIALLY AMONG BLACK MEN) is out of
>control.


LMAOOOO what a crock of shit when BOTH my daughters were born they were with me while their mother recovered from her c-section.
When they needed milk I took a syringe and extracted it from their mothers breast. They were fine and bond with their mother without issue.

I got the chance to touch my son a couple of days before my wife did because the hospital put him in MICU to keep tabs on him in case there was an issue with his lungs. My boy turned out fine despite being 'torn away' from his mother in the beginning.

And where in your rectum did you pull this info that fathers are more suited for the child from ages 5 - 18? My now two year old son who yells "da-da" with delight whenever I come home from a long day proves otherwise. Why would you even begin to believe that something as natural as two parents dealing with their child is only properly functional beginning at age 5?


Since 1976

....'dragged away' from their mothers and placed in incubators are all scarred for life huh?

...the equivalent of keeping the kid away from the mother for the first 5 years of his/her life. The fact that she equates a father wanting to hold his newborn child as "tearing" the child away from his mother speaks volumes about this chick's mental issues with men. Especially Black men since she is trying to paint us as these savage beasts who don't know how to interact with Black women or with kids.


Since 1976

Probably has a trail of dudes locked up after consensual encounters and restraining orders on every dude who’s asked her out.

And very few of these punk ass hip hop heads would ever stand up for a woman, as witnessed in this thread and many others.

Black women are disproportionately victims of intimate partner violence, but you want me to gloss that over because, we can't make black men look bad.

Fuck that. This video is evidence of what so many black (and non black) women have to deal with and it is infuriating that you cannot have any compassion for this mother.

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>Um scientific evidence will call your argument bullshit. The
>child MUST bond with the mother for the first 3 years of life.
>Dad could disappear and come back and the child won't know a
>difference.
>

You know...scientific evidence also calls your argument bullshit too. Research clearly shows that fathers who are involved during pregnancy labour and with a newborn are a lot more likely to be around as the child gets older. A lot of women think like you and don't 'allow' (outside of a man being physically abusive during pregnancy/your life being in danger not allowing a father to bond with his child should be a crime imo) the father around and wonder why he isn't as the child gets older. Yes they are some men who couldn't care less but there some who've been pushed away by women who think like you.

There's also way more research done about the impact of the mothe on a child than there is on fathers. We fell for the okie Doke that fathers are just protectors and providers...That's changing now and the results of the research are making women like you catch hissy fits. Lol.

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Highly uncivil.

Oops, I forgot; it’s acceptable for *you* to speak to certain people like that as long as it’s someone who is generally disliked.

You could be such a good poster if you didn’t do things like this

http://youtu.be/FC1SJTmG4Ts

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http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/strange-but-true-males-can-lactate/

The fact that you neanderthals have such a low opinion of women that you think the mohter child bond needs to be backed up with science is stomach churning, but here you goL

Beyond my own experience of having a child.

Scientific American
http://www.scientificamerican.com/report/mother-child-bond/

Kanagaroo Care for infants with Mother
http://www.marchofdimes.org/complications/kangaroo-care.aspx

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>The fact that you neanderthals have such a low opinion of
>women that you think the mohter child bond needs to be backed
>up with science is stomach churning, but here you goL

Nobody is saying it isnt valuable. You just keep making grandiose proclamations from way out of your depth.

>Beyond my own experience of having a child.

Which is entirely useless. Lesson 1 for actual scientists is that your anecdotes are not relevant to universal truth.

>Scientific American
>http://www.scientificamerican.com/report/mother-child-bond/
>Kanagaroo Care for infants with Mother
>http://www.marchofdimes.org/complications/kangaroo-care.aspx

Not academic journals, so nonstarter. Primary literarure only for the types of claims you are making.

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You're being very mean and calling names.

Such a jerk.

At least your not the kind of guy who name calls, talks down to people, joins dog piles and then turns around to police such behavior in others.

Can you imagine the sort of hypocrite someone would be if they did that?

As opposed to openly identifying asshole behaviors in others, condemning them for it, and then doing the same thing I complained about from someone else.

Dat 'sistency is the key difference

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as always.

Context is key.

The bit about “whining when it comes back at me” is complete nonsense. 100%.

As usual you treat everything I say and do is said and done in a vacuum and ignore all context in every exchange, all the time.
The usual order of operations is me and some other poster- nearly always someone who is habitually involved in such exchanges- in some sort of exchange.

Then you and/or a few others run in on your trusty high horse to police my end of the exchange- and ONLY my end of the exchange.

Then I correctly point out the inconsistency in play by you and your fellow citizens auxiliary police members, noting how you ignore things that are said to me as you take me to task for the things I say.

Then you and/or other members of your ragtag citizens patrol will completely sidestep that in favor of some off base and often flat out biased justification (i.e, WELL YOU MUST HAVE DESERVED WHATEVER THEY SAID!)

Rinse, wash, repeat.

But then, I’ve pointed this out to you many times over the years.
Eventually you took a different tact- OH WELL IT’S BECAUSE YOU COULD BE SO MUCH BETTER IF YOU DIDN’T SAY THOSE THINGS, all the while still sidestepping the actual issue.

So the bit about “whining when it comes back” is, as in this very discussion, nearly always in the context of me actually (GASP!!) explaining the way things went down and why. IN OTHER WORDS… PROVIDING CONTEXT. Something you clearly have no use for.

The other contextual difference here? I DON'T RUN AROUND POLICING PEOPLE LIKE YOU DO. Further, I don't *selectively* police specific people in ways that I do not police others guilty of the same offense.

Just say you're a piece of shit hypocrite who doesn't practice what he preaches. Just say that, verbatim, and you and I are square.

Go on. Say it and we're good.

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Basically, a man can legally withdraw from any responsibilities for a child if he provides documentation before the 18th week of pregnancy.

I support this shit 100%:

http://butthatsnoneofmybusiness.com/sweden-passes-new-fathers-rights-law-men-can-opt-out-of-fatherhood-until-the-18th-week-of-pregnancy/

If you are pro-choice....you are contradicting yourself if you disagree with this. The principles of pro-choice arguments are consistent with this policy. The women's group that is fighting this shit is so hypocritical.

The only thing I would change to what they're doing is to lessen the amount of time. The man shouldn't be able the hem and haw over that decision for 18 weeks. The woman needs more time to take his decision into account in her OWN decision regarding abortion. But think about the ramnifications of this. No more unwanted children born solely as a meal ticket.

We need three drastic changes to achieve more equality. First, this opt out law. And this law should also apply to woman who are willing to go through with the pregnancy because the man wants to raise the baby. Second, custody should be awarded based on an assumption of equality. That is...men should get custody 50% of the time and women should not get de facto custody. And Third....child support should be cut in half....also, there should be a ceiling for people of extreme wealth.

I think the high rates of violence against pregnant black women by black men has to do with the levels of stress, legal consequences and financial slavery associated with children.

If black American men could opt out, we would see a drastic shift in our relationships. No more "gotcha" pregnancies by the women or sick retaliation crimes by the men.

I think it is only fair considering contraception and abortion are options for women and not men.

The issue is not just a legal issue but a human relationship issue. When two people create something as vital to society as a child, and they cannot agree on how to raise it, then we need to adjust our family legal system.

I know more single parents than married parents. I know more men with unplanned families than planned. The man should not feel like his life is ruined because of a baby.

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in regards to pregnancy. At least my daughters will have a choice.

Like 99% of the abortion option for women revolves around their future. Very little of it and very few cases actually involve the physical pregnancy or health concerns relating to it. It's usually about her dreams, the finances, her ability to be responsible for a child. Those same concerns exist for men except they get no say. Which, btw, I will always agree with. The choice HAS to be the women's. There's no room for compromise in that. But under this approach...she makes that choice with the knowledge of whether the man will help or not. And his decision will then be relevant in her decision. Leaving the ultimate choice up to her.

Condoms work, but they are hard to sustain which is a shame. Especially among young black men where sex is a sport and helps them gain social currency.

I don't know why science has not created a drug, pill or cream that can assist men with preventing unplanned pregnancies.

I suggest teaching your sons the value of their penis, their goals and being solid in character.

Most men who I know that have avoided unwanted pregnancies have consistently worn condoms, dated women they trust and put their energy into other things like music/sports/hobbies.

The men who do have unwanted babies don't have another male (father or not) ot give them sexual health tips, emotional intelligence and confidence.

They will be fine with a dad like you!

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You could use these same arguments for making abortion illegal. 'Just teach your daughters to practice abstinence/safe sex/responsibility'.

It's not enough. Men should get a choice too and there is a way for us to provide that via 'opt out'.

And it is manifesting itself in the delivery room.

Black women have the HIGHEST infant mortality rates.
Black women are more likely to suffer from partner violence.

Contrary to what those fools think, I don't hate black men. I am just identifying the illness. how this man is acting in the deliver room is the symptom of the illness.

What are remedies? Allowing men (all races) with reproductive options.

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>I think the high rates of violence against pregnant black
>women by black men has to do with the levels of stress, legal
>consequences and financial slavery associated with children.

This is a thing?!

http://www.americanbar.org/groups/domestic_violence/resources/statistics/Race_Ethnicity_Statisitcs.html

Domestic Violence by Race & Ethnicity
Victim populations broken down by race and ethnicity.





Native Americans | African Americans | Hispanics | Asian Pacific | Cambodians | Chinese | Filipinas | Japanese | Koreans |
South Asians




Native Americans

According the Southwest Center for Law and Policy:

Native Americans are victims of rape or sexual assault at more than double the rate of other racial groups.
For Native American victims of violence, the offender was slightly more likely to be a stranger than an intimate partner, family member or acquaintance.
Native Americans described the offender as an acquaintance in 34% of rapes/sexual assaults, and as an intimate partner or family member in 25% of sexual assaults.
Southwest Ctr. for L. and Pol'y, Statistics (2005), http://www.swclap.org/statistics.htm; Steven W. Perry, U.S. Dep't of Just., NCJ 203097, A Bureau of Justice Statistics Statistical Profile, 1992-2002: American Indians and Crime (2004), available at http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/abstract/aic02.htm




African Americans

African Americans, especially African American Women, suffer deadly violence from family members at rates decidedly higher than for other racial groups in the United States. However, it is observed that research concerning family violence among African Americans is inadequate.

Overall, African Americans were victimized by intimate partners a significantly higher rates than persons of any other race between 1993 and 1998. Black females experienced intimate partner violence at a rate 35% higher than that of white females, and about 22 times the rate of women of other races. Black males experienced intimate partner violence at a rate about 62% higher than that of white males and about 2.5 times the rate of men of other races.
Callie Marie Rennison. and Sarah Welchans, U.S. Dep't of Just., NCJ 178247, Intimate Partner Violence (2000), available at http://www.popcenter.org/problems/domestic_violence/PDFs/Rennison%26Welchans_2000.pdf

African-American women experience significantly more domestic violence than White women in the age group of 20-24. Generally, Black women experience similar levels of intimate partner victimization in all other age categories as compared to White women, but experience slightly more domestic violence. (Estimates are provided from the National Crime Victimization Survey, which defines an intimate partner as a current or former spouse, girlfriend, or boyfriend. Violent acts include murder, rape, sexual assault, robbery, aggravated assault, and simple assault.)
Callie Marie Rennison, U.S. Dep't of Just., NCJ 187635,Intimate Partner Violence and Age of Victim, 1993-1999, at 4, (2001), available at http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/abstract/ipva99.htm

Approximately 40% of Black women report coercive contact of a sexual nature by age 18.
Africana Voices Against Violence, Tufts University, Statistics, 2002,
www.ase.tufts.edu/womenscenter/peace/africana/newsite/statistics.htm

The number one killer of African-American women ages 15 to 34 is homicide at the hands of a current or former intimate partner.
Africana Voices Against Violence, Tufts University, Statistics, 2002,
www.ase.tufts.edu/womenscenter/peace/africana/newsite/statistics.htm

In a study of African-American sexual assault survivors, only 17% reported the assault to police.
Africana Voices Against Violence, Tufts University, Statistics, 2002
www.ase.tufts.edu/womenscenter/peace/africana/newsite/statistics.htm

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This woman just gave birth. His ass is in there causing her to stress and getting all in her face. He is the problem.

Many men have NO respect for what women go through after birth. I would not let ANYONE hold my child for the first week when she came home.

I notice that many men who get women pregnant unwillingly have NO idea how to handle the situation. If they don't want the woman, they resent her for keeping the child. If they don't ant the child, they disappear and the courts get involved.


I like the opt out version. But it still does not address how men like this guy in the video feel entitled to a child that they did not labor for hours to produce.

This is domestic violence. Lock his ass up and make him sign away his rights.

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>This woman just gave birth. His ass is in there causing her
>to stress and getting all in her face. He is the problem.
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>Many men have NO respect for what women go through after
>birth. I would not let ANYONE hold my child for the first week
>when she came home.
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>I notice that many men who get women pregnant unwillingly have
>NO idea how to handle the situation. If they don't want the
>woman, they resent her for keeping the child. If they don't
>ant the child, they disappear and the courts get involved.
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>I like the opt out version. But it still does not address how
>men like this guy in the video feel entitled to a child that
>they did not labor for hours to produce.
>
>This is domestic violence. Lock his ass up and make him sign
>away his rights.


so wait...are you saying that if the father is involved and engaged during the pregnancy and there right up until you're in labour...you wouldn't 'let' him hold the child for a week?

domestic violence?
I'm so confused.

This man is frightening and frankly she should have had him removed.

If he is involved and supportive but shows aggressive behavior, then he is not coming near me or my child. She made the right decision.

A woman knows and instinctively feels what is safe or unsafe for her child.

He overstepped his boundaries.

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She doesn't even have the right to 'choose' if he holds the baby. A mother who gets along with her baby's father doesn't 'grant' him permission to hold the baby. It's his right and she can't decide on a whim or hunch that he is not fit to hold them. This whole notion that the baby is still her property after it's born is the problem and that's why women are given primary custody de facto.

This man was far too gone. He has no respect for the delivery room.

We are only referring to this video. He only has legal rights if he has signed an Acknowledgment of Paternity.

We have no idea why the mother is so fearful of handing her vulnerable child over to this loony bin.

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WOW!

What the hell did he do?

How can you side with him?

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that clearly shows both are not ready to be a parent.

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Obviously neither of them were ready for the limelight

and it's her.

Honest question....what should he do differently?

but regardless of her behavior, him raising his voice even a little is out of hand.

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Not saying that everyone has to agree with every single one of my perspectives. But the fact the NO MAN on this board sees this woman with a child as someone who should be respected is disgusting.

The fact that EVERY male sided with the man shows how warped our view of black motherhood and the safety of black children is.

To these pigs, the man's rights came before the woman or the safety of the child

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Now it's like O_o

Impossible to judge too much since there isn't enough known of their backstory to know who is fully wrong there.

"Sean sparks like John Starks, nah, Sean ball like John Wall" - Rest In Power Forever Sean Price.

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if she really wanted to be at peace, he wouldnt have been allowed in the delivery room
but now she has to punish him because he doesnt want to be with her. I hope the baby isnt affected by their drama

regardless of what he may have done, if it was that bad, she shouldn't have let him be there. just another example of people who should never be allowed to conceive.

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as long as it's committed in places where it's more tolerated?

I remember her saying American offenders should satisfy their urges in other places and leave “normal” American children alone.

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She took a very moral relativist tact on the issue and literally said they should go to those countries and leave "normal" American children alone.

Girls can get married at 13 in some countries. It is not a universal law that adulthood begins at 18. This is cultural and even religious. Men have that option.

Women don't.

This is the most sexist, violent group of men. I wish OKP had a report feature.

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>This is the most sexist, violent group of men. I wish OKP had
>a report feature.

Please substantiate these allegations.

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