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CRichMonkey
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"The Official Bernie Sanders Supporter Surrender Post..."


  

          

I'm going to put this here now and I expect it to get populated by June/July with Sanders people who finally see the light.

Meanwhile, let's talk about what's not gonna happen and that's President Trump.

I'm considering re-registering to vote in Virginia just to make sure my state don't fuck around and go red this fall.


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You must not have studied the 2000 election
May 18th 2016
1
RE: You must not have studied the 2000 election
May 24th 2016
171
man, i've been saying he's not gonna make it since he first got in
May 18th 2016
2
It's really not all that shocking...
May 18th 2016
3
      i'm hoping he can't. don't think he can, but again,
May 18th 2016
4
Sanders supporters aren't wrong. Sanders just lost.
May 18th 2016
5
No one's making value judgements of right and wrong here...
May 18th 2016
7
I'm already getting mentally ready for Overlord Trump.
May 18th 2016
6
The Nader faction could make peace with Obama, but....
May 18th 2016
8
The problem wasn't Gore. it was BITCH-ASS Lieberman.
May 18th 2016
18
      RE: The problem wasn't Gore. it was BITCH-ASS Lieberman.
May 18th 2016
23
      it is NOT bullshit.
May 19th 2016
128
           RE: it is NOT bullshit.
May 19th 2016
133
      interesting
May 18th 2016
85
RE: I'm already getting mentally ready for Overlord Trump.
May 18th 2016
13
Murph....come on my dude.
May 18th 2016
51
      RE: Murph....come on my dude.
May 18th 2016
54
           RE: Murph....come on my dude.
May 18th 2016
56
                RE: Murph....come on my dude.
May 18th 2016
65
you dont understand elections very well
May 18th 2016
21
      lol
May 18th 2016
24
      RE: lol
May 18th 2016
25
           in most years, yes. this time it's different.
May 18th 2016
30
           RE: in most years, yes. this time it's different.
May 18th 2016
33
                Turnout
May 18th 2016
35
                     RE: Turnout
May 18th 2016
37
                     Didn't say it's not important...
May 18th 2016
38
                          RE: Didn't say it's not important...
May 18th 2016
45
                     RE: Turnout
May 18th 2016
43
           Little Juan, Hector and Grieselda will be comin out the woodworks nephew
May 18th 2016
40
           i wish i had your optimism
May 18th 2016
42
           I'm going out on a limb here and gonna say that yt women
May 18th 2016
44
                RE: I'm going out on a limb here and gonna say that yt women
May 18th 2016
46
                     ?
May 18th 2016
63
                          RE: ?
May 18th 2016
66
      hilary is also damn near mathematically eliminated already
May 18th 2016
72
      no hilary is winning in a landslide already...or bernie...
May 18th 2016
75
      RE: hilary is also damn near mathematically eliminated already
May 18th 2016
77
           you guys are basically doing mitt's 47% thing
May 18th 2016
102
                RE: you guys are basically doing mitt's 47% thing
May 18th 2016
107
                then you're just wrong.
May 18th 2016
118
                     RE: then you're just wrong.
May 19th 2016
124
                     its a wrap already player..sorry... que paso amigo??
May 19th 2016
125
                ^^^^ print this post out, post it on your wall. End post.
May 19th 2016
129
                     yep
May 19th 2016
134
                          bruh, they act like the electoral college doesnt exist anymore
May 24th 2016
166
      I don't think you understand that many people can't stand Trump or Clint...
May 28th 2016
199
Bernie isn't dropping out
May 18th 2016
9
I am not one of those people who cares if he drops out.
May 18th 2016
11
He actually can
May 18th 2016
100
RE: Bernie isn't dropping out
May 18th 2016
14
      no, I didn't see. What happened in Nevada?
May 22nd 2016
143
i dont understand why he hasnt conceded yet
May 18th 2016
10
maybe it's karma for Hillary not dropping out in 2008
May 18th 2016
12
RE: maybe it's karma for Hillary not dropping out in 2008
May 18th 2016
17
nigga shut up... lol
May 18th 2016
27
      RE: nigga shut up... lol
May 18th 2016
31
           nah. it was obvious O had momentum and it was time for her to bounce
May 18th 2016
50
                RE: nah. it was obvious O had momentum and it was time for her to bounce
May 18th 2016
52
karma for whom? hillary was nasty in 2008
May 18th 2016
19
      karma for Hillary in 2008
May 18th 2016
26
Not conceding now isn't a big deal.
May 18th 2016
32
when asked y he doesnt drop out he literally said hes not concerned with...
May 18th 2016
as he should, he is still getting huge crowds and he is old as shit
May 18th 2016
39
i dont knw legs...i knw hes feeln the moment & all that but if he cant.....
May 18th 2016
57
      He's going back to Cali
May 18th 2016
58
           In a one on one?
May 24th 2016
167
                I'm not banking on an FBI investigation
May 24th 2016
168
wow....i dont need him to be concerned about her personal problems
May 18th 2016
41
      yup...100%
May 18th 2016
61
      Trump isn't winning
May 18th 2016
71
Because even if he can't win the nom, he can influence the party platfor...
May 18th 2016
49
I came to peace with it a while ago
May 18th 2016
15
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-4pg6Jh94Lo
May 18th 2016
16
I still think Sanders should stay in until the California primary....
May 18th 2016
20
i dont think there's anything else left
May 18th 2016
22
      I want to go Bernie or Bust so bad but the Republicans man.....
May 18th 2016
29
I've conceded that it was a very long shot a couple of months ago. But.....
May 18th 2016
28
RE: I've conceded that it was a very long shot a couple of months ago. B...
May 18th 2016
34
      I'm talking about doing better than expected in the remaining states
May 18th 2016
36
           RE: I'm talking about doing better than expected in the remaining states
May 18th 2016
48
We all know that Bernie is going to lose, but we Ain't quitting
May 18th 2016
47
He got his people to boo the Democratic Party last night.
May 18th 2016
53
If Hillary loses to Trump it won't be because of Bernie
May 18th 2016
59
RE: If Hillary loses to Trump it won't be because of Bernie
May 18th 2016
62
      I know you will blame everyone but Hillary if she loses
May 18th 2016
69
           RE: I know you will blame everyone but Hillary if she loses
May 18th 2016
70
           I will blame everyone *including* Hillary if she loses.
May 18th 2016
76
RE: He got his people to boo the Democratic Party last night.
May 18th 2016
60
I voted for Bernie, I figured he'd lose...and I'm still not voting for H...
May 18th 2016
55
now *this* is part of the problem
May 18th 2016
64
      * this * is the overwhelming sentiment of Bernie supporters.
May 18th 2016
67
      I mean there's a reason why those are my 2nd and 3rd issues.
May 18th 2016
68
      no, the problem is that people are more beholden to a candidate
May 18th 2016
73
           RE: no, the problem is that people are more beholden to a candidate
May 18th 2016
74
           RE: no, the problem is that people are more beholden to a candidate
May 18th 2016
82
           lmao.. nah Hillary voters aren't about winning at any cost
May 18th 2016
84
           RE: lmao.. nah Hillary voters aren't about winning at any cost
May 18th 2016
93
           This is a really bad inference.
May 18th 2016
94
                RE: This is a really bad inference.
May 18th 2016
97
           Bernie ppl care about the issues...Hillary ppl care about the logo
May 21st 2016
136
           Funny, I would have said this about Bernie, not Hillary.
May 18th 2016
81
                progressive on Wall St.... more like progressive FOR Wall St
May 18th 2016
87
                Luckily speeches aren't laws.
May 18th 2016
89
                here's the policy argument that makes hillary a more progressive candida...
May 18th 2016
121
                YES I forgot, from the guy who thinks
May 18th 2016
104
The preachy tone of the DNC/pro-Clinton crowd is damaging
May 18th 2016
78
https://66.media.tumblr.com/1fdea851fe9e8467bffe2f533a64b654/tumblr_ne2x...
May 18th 2016
79
RE: The preachy tone of the DNC/pro-Clinton crowd is damaging
May 18th 2016
80
well the DNC has to time it down as well
May 18th 2016
88
This is so disingenuous.
May 18th 2016
91
      RE: This is so disingenuous.
May 18th 2016
95
THANK YOU
May 21st 2016
137
*does not surrender vote*
May 18th 2016
83
why not vote for who you like in a primary?
May 18th 2016
86
RE: why not vote for who you like in a primary?
May 18th 2016
92
      RE: why not vote for who you like in a primary?
May 24th 2016
172
Bernie is done but he doesnt need to drop out in order for Hillary to fo...
May 18th 2016
90
Let's count the many Bernie supporters...
May 18th 2016
96
if you experienced the 2000 election, you saw the same thing
May 18th 2016
98
RE: if you experienced the 2000 election, you saw the same thing
May 18th 2016
99
this would have gone better if the dnc played fair. let's not forget tha...
May 18th 2016
103
RE: this would have gone better if the dnc played fair. let's not forget...
May 18th 2016
105
      people are not going crazy because bernie lost
May 18th 2016
109
           RE: people are not going crazy because bernie lost
May 18th 2016
113
                people cheated for hillary over 2-ish delegates
May 18th 2016
116
                     RE: people cheated for hillary over 2-ish delegates
May 18th 2016
119
This doesn't matter nearly as much as you think.
May 18th 2016
120
Democrats Fear an Unruly July Convention in Philadelphia (SWIPE)
May 18th 2016
101
again, maybe they should stop bullshitting and rigging these things
May 18th 2016
106
RE: again, maybe they should stop bullshitting and rigging these things
May 18th 2016
108
      the nomination isn't being stolen from bernie. but delegates are.
May 18th 2016
114
           RE: the nomination isn't being stolen from bernie. but delegates are.
May 18th 2016
117
Yep, we're so close to the end of R's and D's I can't wait.
May 21st 2016
138
ABC just showed a poll that had Trump ahead 45% to 42% vs....
May 18th 2016
110
RE: ABC just showed a poll that had Trump ahead 45% to 42% vs....
May 18th 2016
111
i don't know who did the fucking poll.
May 18th 2016
112
      RE: i don't know who did the fucking poll.
May 18th 2016
115
I think murph is giving the American people WAY too much credit.
May 18th 2016
122
      RE: I think murph is giving the American people WAY too much credit.
May 18th 2016
123
      Agreed. The overconfidence of people on this is pretty distubing to me.
May 19th 2016
126
           RE: Agreed. The overconfidence of people on this is pretty distubing to ...
May 19th 2016
127
                The way I look at it she's harming herself
May 19th 2016
130
                     RE: The way I look at it she's harming herself
May 19th 2016
132
                          He's a truer Dem than Hillary, actually
May 21st 2016
139
                               RE: He's a truer Dem than Hillary, actually
May 22nd 2016
141
                                    Stop carrying water for the Shills, Tom
May 22nd 2016
142
                                         RE: Stop carrying water for the Shills, Tom
May 22nd 2016
146
                                              I look at you as a Neo-Liberal
May 22nd 2016
147
i love Bernie.. but will NEVER vote for a racist, corrupt millionaire...
May 19th 2016
131
lol
May 19th 2016
135
RE: i love Bernie.. but will NEVER vote for a racist, corrupt millionair...
May 21st 2016
140
      Y'all sound like Conservatives i hear on my hunting sites I be on
May 22nd 2016
144
           Far from it
May 22nd 2016
145
           RE: Y'all sound like Conservatives i hear on my hunting sites I be on
May 23rd 2016
156
Kind of pathetic
May 22nd 2016
148
Well Trump's thing is harnessing people's anger
May 22nd 2016
151
      D'evils
May 22nd 2016
152
Get ya latest poll heahhh! Get your Trump v. Clinton poll!
May 22nd 2016
149
Holy shit.
May 22nd 2016
153
I still believe in the rule of law here
May 23rd 2016
154
You predicted minorities would vote for Trump
May 23rd 2016
155
      I predicted ENOUGH minorities would vote for Trump.
May 24th 2016
163
           nah, i think its going to be whiiiite people. like 98%
May 24th 2016
164
Care to mention that McCain was beating Obama around the same time
May 23rd 2016
158
      Duly noted
May 23rd 2016
159
      hillary is closer to mccain in that comparison than she is to obama.
May 23rd 2016
161
           exactly, only difference is she is a woman
May 24th 2016
165
FUCK THIS POST!!!
May 22nd 2016
150
The Egregious Double Standard for Bernie and Hillary
May 23rd 2016
157
LOL@the headline, Sanders hurting Clintons chances vs Trump
May 23rd 2016
160
The Surrender begins
May 23rd 2016
162
That sounds like a pretty big win for Sanders. I like it.
May 24th 2016
169
apparently Cornel West is one of his sitting delegates.
May 24th 2016
170
Bill Moyers: Dems can't unite unless Wasserman Schultz goes
May 24th 2016
173
Bernie's gone rouge. Setting up debate with Trump (swipe)
May 26th 2016
174
Y'know.....I'd actually believe that Bernie is being genuine here.
May 26th 2016
175
damn u relapse again?
May 26th 2016
176
I like it
May 26th 2016
177
      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
May 26th 2016
178
           Bernie trying to get his Reggie Miller at MSG on...
May 26th 2016
181
fearless. show em how it's done!
May 26th 2016
179
Bernie never backs down from a debate
May 26th 2016
180
So much for that. Trump says Bernie has to pay $10 million to debate
May 26th 2016
188
a bernie debate with trump will only help hillary....
May 27th 2016
195
SMH@Elizabeth Warren playing the role of Trump Troll
May 26th 2016
182
I see what she's doing
May 26th 2016
183
Trump keeps calling her Pocahontas
May 26th 2016
184
She claims Cherokee roots, yes it's true, and this is why I'm SMH
May 26th 2016
185
That was actually funny lol
May 26th 2016
186
Trump is a funny guy
May 26th 2016
189
She claimed Cherokee roots based on stories from relatives
May 26th 2016
187
I know she put it in her profile while at Harvard
May 26th 2016
190
So basically Trump is a rapper
May 28th 2016
197
shes doing what the media shoulda done 8 months ago
May 26th 2016
191
RE: what is she not discussing?
May 26th 2016
192
      ^^^
May 26th 2016
193
She stays hitting Republicans on things that also describe HRC
May 26th 2016
194
      yeah, it's been said from jump HRC would be considered a moderate
May 27th 2016
196
           Yep
May 28th 2016
198
Scott Adams was on Bill Maher last night.
May 28th 2016
200
scott adams is kinda of full of shit but he gets white dudes who are ful...
May 28th 2016
201
      lol
May 28th 2016
202
           that's a weird response. adams is definitely full of shit
May 29th 2016
203
                I'm interested in why Trump is winning.
May 29th 2016
204
                     trump is winning because the conversation is solely about him winning
May 29th 2016
205
ITS A WRAP FELLAS
Jun 06th 2016
206

c71
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1. "You must not have studied the 2000 election"
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they ain't surrendering.

This is some Nader stuff again.

  

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Eric B Is Prez
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171. "RE: You must not have studied the 2000 election"
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>This is some Nader stuff again.

Hasn't Bernie specifically said he wouldn't run against Hillary in the General Election as a third-party candidate?

If so, then this is not the same as Nader at all.

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KiloMcG
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2. "man, i've been saying he's not gonna make it since he first got in"
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>Meanwhile, let's talk about what's not gonna happen and that's
>President Trump.

now look where we are. shit's mind blowing and frightening at the same damn time.

  

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CRichMonkey
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3. "It's really not all that shocking... "
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The Republican Party has been the party of white resentment for the past 40 years. They've been able to keep a lid on it because it was confined to southern states and safe congressional districts while being balanced by a group of elites who controlled the purse strings.

Trump is the perfect parasitic creature in that environment. He was able to feed off of the resentment while capitalizing on the structure while supplanting the elites by using his own resources. Now that he's overtaken his host, he's going to re-form a Republican party around him and those base instincts.

But winning the Republican primary and winning the general election are two different skill sets.

I don't see how he pulls the same trick on the rest of America.


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KiloMcG
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4. "i'm hoping he can't. don't think he can, but again, "
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i didn't think he'd make it this far.

>I don't see how he pulls the same trick on the rest of
>America.

  

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5. "Sanders supporters aren't wrong. Sanders just lost. "
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There's a difference. Trump supporters aren't "right" because he won the nomination and they won't be more right if he wins the election.

Additionally, most Sanders supporters already conceded the nomination to Hillary and are prepared to support her/vote for her. It's definitely not their fault that she's going to have to figure out how to win this election.

By and large, Bernie supporters are not what is wrong with politics in this country.

  

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CRichMonkey
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7. "No one's making value judgements of right and wrong here... "
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I'm just tired of Sanders people denying the reality that he did lose and then tossing aside facts to state a normative case for why he actually really did win.

THAT'S what's got me pissed.


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6. "I'm already getting mentally ready for Overlord Trump."
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I'll be more shocked if Trump doesn't win the way things are going.

  

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c71
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8. "The Nader faction could make peace with Obama, but...."
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the Nader faction couldn't make peace with Gore


and they can't make peace with Hillary.


end game.

  

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18. "The problem wasn't Gore. it was BITCH-ASS Lieberman."
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the reason why I needed that qualifier is because he was, and IS a bitch. You might think the Veep didn't matter, but rolling the dice trying to pull in right wing voters against BUSH with that pick was a foolish move.

Gore and an actual progressive (or at least liberal) Democrat could have beat Bush.

Clinton is making the same mistake. She should be trying to make a progressive coalition as well as some moderates who ain't down with Trump.

Obama did it probably because he KNEW he had to.

Clinton got too much hubris to think she don't need to sweat her way to the nomination. She took a L to a BLACK junior senator whose middle name was "Hussein"

you know, the kind of candidate that supposedly "can't win"

and learned nothing from it

  

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23. "RE: The problem wasn't Gore. it was BITCH-ASS Lieberman."
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>Clinton is making the same mistake. She should be trying to
>make a progressive coalition as well as some moderates who
>ain't down with Trump.

Come on Doc...lol...This is some bullshit, my dude...

Clinton has flipped on so many hardcore progressive issues because of Bernie...And it's already a foregone conclusion that she will pick either a minority or someone VERY liberal as her running mate....It's already being reported...

Let's not turn this into Gore 2.0...The only similarity is Bernie seems itching to get his Nader on....

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128. "it is NOT bullshit."
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>Clinton has flipped on so many hardcore progressive issues
>because of Bernie...And it's already a foregone conclusion
>that she will pick either a minority or someone VERY liberal
>as her running mate....It's already being reported...

we don't know who she'll pick until the nomination. but she would do well NOT to go the Gore route and pick some moderate if not "Republican lite" bum.

with Hillary, I'm saying, it should have HAD to take a Bernie Sanders for her to flip. Her campaign needed to pay attention to polls and figure out where the populism is (like Obama... and as much as I hate to say it, Trump).

Do everything to fight the "coronation" perception.

Yes, I'm mad. Let's move on.

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133. "RE: it is NOT bullshit."
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>>Clinton has flipped on so many hardcore progressive issues
>>because of Bernie...And it's already a foregone conclusion
>>that she will pick either a minority or someone VERY liberal
>>as her running mate....It's already being reported...
>
>we don't know who she'll pick until the nomination. but she
>would do well NOT to go the Gore route and pick some moderate
>if not "Republican lite" bum.

The names that are already being floated say that u r wrong, dog...

Everyone from Sherrod Brown (VERY liberal) to Elizabeth Warren (Liberal x 100) to Tom Perez (Latino running mate = nod to the base) is being mentioned as a Clinton running mate...

But u know what? All that shit is moot...lol...Because Bernie now seems intent on driving himself and the Democratic Party off the cliff.......

GOAT of his era......long live Prince.....God is alive....

  

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85. "interesting "
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13. "RE: I'm already getting mentally ready for Overlord Trump."
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>I'll be more shocked if Trump doesn't win the way things are
>going.


Trump will win if your boy Bernie doesn't wrap this shit up....

Because that't the way things are REALLY going...

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51. "Murph....come on my dude."
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You've made this point like 10 times in one day. It'll be Bernie's fault that Trump wins. Repeating this over and over doesn't make it true.

But you have argued for like 6 months that Trump will never win because of the Obama minority coalition. How does Bernie staying in the race alter the minority coalition?

  

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54. "RE: Murph....come on my dude."
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>You've made this point like 10 times in one day. It'll be
>Bernie's fault that Trump wins. Repeating this over and over
>doesn't make it true.


Actually, this week is the first time I've laid it out there...I've only started going that route after the Nevada incident and Bernie turning it up to 11...

Previous to all that I had no issue with Bernie staying in the race. NONE.....

This month has changed my thinking....Bernie is going on a dangerous path....I don;t want him to drop out. I want him to tone the bullshit down....

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56. "RE: Murph....come on my dude."
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Your premise has been that it's impossible for Trump to win because of a minority coalition. Bernie staying in the race doesn't effect that. So either you're admitting your previous premise was wrong or you're contradicting yourself.

  

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65. "RE: Murph....come on my dude."
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>Your premise has been that it's impossible for Trump to win
>because of a minority coalition. Bernie staying in the race
>doesn't effect that. So either you're admitting your previous
>premise was wrong or you're contradicting yourself.


My premise was judging that the Republican party would not be crazy enough to vote for Trump...That's it....

But what Trump does with a party whose base is made up of largely mad ass white men matters little to me at this point...

The only thing that matters is Bernie toning this shit down and making sure that chaos does;t spark off at the Democratic convention....

No one wants to vote for a Party that looks like it's dysfunctional, Denny...No one wants the 68 Democratic Convention all over again...

If THAT happens u will pretty much see a low voter turn out for the Dems...

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21. "you dont understand elections very well"
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trump isnt winning shit....nigga dam near mathematically eliminated already... i dont know how yall dont see this already...

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24. "lol"
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* pats you on the head *

move along, timmy.

  

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25. "RE: lol"
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>* pats you on the head *
>
>move along, timmy.


Actually dog...he's right...The general election demographics are pretty much stacked against any Republican candidate...When u add on Trump's historically high unfavorables with blacks, Latinos, and women (even while factoring in Clinton's 40- to 50 plus percent unfavorables with men..) it's pretty much laid out for a Democrat to win it all...

But Bernie could change all that....In fact, he already is....In a very destructive, onminous way...

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30. "in most years, yes. this time it's different."
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Dems have zero energy because it's either the Sanders folk who feel like they aren't being heard so they aren't excited about voting or the pro-Hillary folks who are kind of like "well, this is who we have for better or worse."

the Democratic turnout for this election is gonna be terrible, watch. even with the looming fear of a Trump presidency, people are so sick of the dog and pony show.

and to the Repubs credit, they are seizing this opportunity to start lining up behind Trump. even the #nevertrump people. they see the Democratic apathy and they see that its actually the Dems who have a inner-party problem.

so, while I won't be shocked if Trump gets blown out of the water I also won't be shocked if he wins.

  

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33. "RE: in most years, yes. this time it's different."
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Not different...At all...Trump has to win more white folks then Reagan...That's not happening...And the minority vote is not dwindling...It's only getting larger...And they for the most part HATE the idea of a Trump Presidency....The fear of Trump will bring Dems out in droves.....

The only difference is Bernie Sanders...He's the wild card....That's it....

If Bernie weeks ago toned down his campaign and talked to his supporters with the understanding that he's only continuing to make sure he gets a seat at the table, then cool...

But Bernie has turned up his shit even more....Like I said, what happened in Nevada should not be brushed off....The same thing can happen in Philly....Fights..Clashes with police. The whole shit....

Bernie has to let his folks know that he can't win and that he's only in it to make sure the Dem party listens to the people....If he doesn't it's going to be s shit-show for Democrats...

That's how Trump can actually win....

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35. "Turnout"
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Your whole looking at historical patterns is predicated on there being adequate turnout on the democratic side.

Your acting like Sanders has these people under a spell. And if he says he endorses Clinton, they will automatically bring their enthusiasm over to her side. Nah...I don't see that happening.

I see this being a low turnout election, maybe on both sides. Hopefully I'm wrong

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37. "RE: Turnout"
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>I see this being a low turnout election, maybe on both sides.
>Hopefully I'm wrong


....uh.....


Referendum on President Obama and Obamacare

Supreme Court in the balance

Trump's whole entertainment/racial persona


sorry but there's no way this can be low turn out. That's why any slack...sour grapes ala Naderism 2000....means Trump victory.

  

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38. "Didn't say it's not important..."
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But sadly, a lot of people need excitement to give them motivation to go out and vote. That's why there was huge turnout in 2008 and then a big drop off in 2012. The excitement waned

People aren't going to get excited to vote against someone.

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45. "RE: Didn't say it's not important..."
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>But sadly, a lot of people need excitement to give them
>motivation to go out and vote. That's why there was huge
>turnout in 2008 and then a big drop off in 2012. The
>excitement waned
>
>People aren't going to get excited to vote against someone.


Basically this^^^^^

Bernie Or Bust bros are the only thing standing in the way of a Clinton win...And again, I'm not talking about not having their support...Clinton can win without the Bernie vote...

I'm talking about the dangerous atmosphere Bernie is creating...If the Democratic Party is viewed as chaotic and with a two-fisted, base ready to kick up dust at the Philly convention, then Trump could sneak in....

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43. "RE: Turnout"
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>Your whole looking at historical patterns is predicated on
>there being adequate turnout on the democratic side.

Right...

>Your acting like Sanders has these people under a spell. And
>if he says he endorses Clinton, they will automatically bring
>their enthusiasm over to her side. Nah...I don't see that
>happening.


No...I'm acting like the first time voters and hardcore activist Progressives (who were never Democrats to begin with) coming out for Bernie are not needed in THIS race. They will however be needed for the future of the Democratic party...

But right now? Hillary Clinton has enough to win with the Obama Coalition, old female voters and college educated, above 30 year old whites....

>I see this being a low turnout election, maybe on both sides.
>Hopefully I'm wrong

With Trump on the ballot it won't be low...at all...In fact we will see highs approaching Obama level in terms of minority turnout and more white women...

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40. "Little Juan, Hector and Grieselda will be comin out the woodworks nephew"
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just like Leroy, Tyrone and Lakeisha did in 08 and 12....and its alot mo of them.... oh tyrone nem comin too doe....this shit been OVER fam....

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42. "i wish i had your optimism"
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but i really dont trust american voters

*remembers bush*
we all thought, no way in hell
*we- being sane minded individuals

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44. "I'm going out on a limb here and gonna say that yt women "
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are the largest voting demographic...
middle aged yt women

which is how I think Barry got in

whoever can dominate that demo is who runs with it imo

and at this point...I think its hard to say who that is

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46. "RE: I'm going out on a limb here and gonna say that yt women "
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>are the largest voting demographic...
>middle aged yt women
>
>which is how I think Barry got in
>
>whoever can dominate that demo is who runs with it imo
>
>and at this point...I think its hard to say who that is


lol....

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63. "?"
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Coolin...

  

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66. "RE: ?"
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Didn't mean the disrespect homie...

I was just laughing because I just watched a segment of Trump's daughter claiming that her dad is not a groper...That's the kind of back up he needs now....lol

As for Obeezy, dude won because of that powerful coalition: Latinos, blacks, women, Asians...

Hardly none of those folks are voting for Trump.....

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72. "hilary is also damn near mathematically eliminated already"
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so that's not very persuasive argument to me. that's not an anti-hillary point. it's just the reality.

both candidates are going to scrap over a few percentage points in the middle.

and, while most of the middle don't fall into these categories, i'm worried that the never-hillary people in the middle might actually mean it, but the never-trump people might be persuadable. it's certainly what we've seen from the republicans these past two weeks.

  

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75. "no hilary is winning in a landslide already...or bernie..."
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it wont matter dawg....really doe... all that hillary scandal shit wont matter on election day fam...it will be stop trump day...trust me

>so that's not very persuasive argument to me. that's not an
>anti-hillary point. it's just the reality.
>
>both candidates are going to scrap over a few percentage
>points in the middle.
>
>and, while most of the middle don't fall into these
>categories, i'm worried that the never-hillary people in the
>middle might actually mean it, but the never-trump people
>might be persuadable. it's certainly what we've seen from the
>republicans these past two weeks.

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77. "RE: hilary is also damn near mathematically eliminated already"
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Huh?

What numbers r u looking at?...lol

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102. "you guys are basically doing mitt's 47% thing"
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if you want to say "there's no way trump will win because so many people just will not vote for I'm" the same thing is true of any partisan candidate in 2016. especially hillary, who is going to have a seriously hard time motivating the democratic base to vote.

about 130 million votes are going to happen this year. 60 million of those people will never ever vote for hillary.

there's no evidence that there are MORE than 60 million people that are never trump.

both parties are scrapping over a tiny fraction of undecideds and, more than that, trying to get their people registered and voting.

i know people want to make demographic argument, but those are the same people who thought trump would never get the nom. they are also the same people who seem to be jubilant about the dems gaining seats in congress, when there is no actual evidence that they even have the ground game/candidates/narrative to make that happen. by the demographics the dems should ALWAYS win, and obviously they don't.

it's time to take this election seriously and earn votes. the dems are very much in danger of moonwalking into total irrelevance after this election, and that's scary.

  

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107. "RE: you guys are basically doing mitt's 47% thing"
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No...I'm doing the Trump has the highest unfavorables out of any candidate when it comes to the biggest voting block (women) and high unfavorables with blacks, Latinos, Asians, Muslims, and the youth "thing"...

It's not rocket science, dog...demographics work in the Dems favor....

I'm not spooked about Trump and his largely white voting block...

I'm spooked on how the Democratic Party can erupt in chaos because of your boy....

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118. "then you're just wrong. "
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if demographics won elections, the dems would win every election.

and something is seriously wrong if you're more worried about bernie than trump, especially when the whole argument AGAINST bernie was that we need to focus on beating the republicans.

shit, it's time. move on. don't worry about the stragglers. they'll catch up eventually.

  

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124. "RE: then you're just wrong. "
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>if demographics won elections, the dems would win every
>election.


Um...those changing demographics are still fairly new, homie....And they happened to come along with Obama's run...But the numbers have been bubbling up for years....Remember. W. Bush won his elections because he was able to get a decent chunk of Latino voters and even blacks (and more precisely Evangelicals and church folk)....Those two demographics are NOW heavily aligned with the Dems....


>and something is seriously wrong if you're more worried about
>bernie than trump, especially when the whole argument AGAINST
>bernie was that we need to focus on beating the republicans.


Nothing wrong at all, homie...I'm talking about Bernie RIGHT NOW...Not the Bernie who was running months ago...That Bernie was inspiring and making Clinton into a better candidate while keeping her honest...

Bernie today? Dude is leading his supporters to a fight against a party he was never a part of...He's selling them some bullshit now....

That's the shit I don't like....


>shit, it's time. move on. don't worry about the stragglers.
>they'll catch up eventually.

Fuck all that straggler shit...lol

Like I said...I'm a Democrat...And whether it's Bernie or Clinton, whoever is leading gets my vote....It's really that simple..

What I don't need is bomb throwers making the party look like a shit-show....I don't want folks who have been fed that whole line about Bernie winning and how the Dem. Party is fixing the game coming to Philly to wild out...

Bernie gotta tell his folks the truth...It's as simple as that...

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125. "its a wrap already player..sorry... que paso amigo??"
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you need to understand ..ITS ALL ABOUT DEMOGRAPHICS...

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129. "^^^^ print this post out, post it on your wall. End post."
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>i know people want to make demographic argument, but those are
>the same people who thought trump would never get the nom.
>they are also the same people who seem to be jubilant about
>the dems gaining seats in congress, when there is no actual
>evidence that they even have the ground
>game/candidates/narrative to make that happen. by the
>demographics the dems should ALWAYS win, and obviously they
>don't.
>
>it's time to take this election seriously and earn votes. the
>dems are very much in danger of moonwalking into total
>irrelevance after this election, and that's scary.

  

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134. "yep"
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nigga said the Dems have the evangelicals on lock...

lol

the high concentration/density of those demos to certain areas dampens the impact...

and many of the bernie supporters would be at most apathetic towards Hillary regardless of bernie...

don't blame bernie for hillary's shortcomings and racist ass middle america...keep that shit where it belongs

as much as Hispanics hate Trump...i still don't think it's going to hurt him THAT much...i wouldn't count on their turnout either

dems are mad concentrated...what red states are these women, hispanics, and blacks going to turn blue? that's the only math that matters...it's basically going to be a war for the south...and that's only if the northeast and northwest don't pout over your favorite scapegoat Bernie

stop using arithmetic and start considering the obvious factors...Bush lost the popular vote...Trump is far more polarizing and still more popular...hell, he singlehandedly made Jeb a joke

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166. "bruh, they act like the electoral college doesnt exist anymore"
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doesnt matter if Trump doesnt get the black vote..

we are only 13% of the population.

Latinos are 15 or 16% but how many of them can vote legally?

then you factor in where these people live and how many go to the polls.

people need to look at what states are in play and use their demos to make their argument.

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199. "I don't think you understand that many people can't stand Trump or Clint..."
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both candidates have a very negative perception by the general public, first I can remember in a long time

which is also why Gary Johnson is is double digits now.

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9. "Bernie isn't dropping out"
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so quit crying about it and make those Damn sausages fam.

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11. "I am not one of those people who cares if he drops out. "
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It really doesn't matter. More power to him.


But I just want my bredren to stop looking silly on FB talking about how he can still win.


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100. "He actually can"
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that is all

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14. "RE: Bernie isn't dropping out"
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It's not about dropping out, Legs...

It's about turning the rhetoric down and not lying to your supporters...

U saw what happened in Nevada? That's just the beginning if Bernie doesn't turn it down and campaign to his followers with the understanding that he just wants his platform to be included at the Democratic Convention...

But Bernie ain't doing that...Dude is saying the same shit he was saying in February...And that's dangerous....

Very Nader-like...

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143. "no, I didn't see. What happened in Nevada?"
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Oh right, a corruption of democracy and an appropriate response of dissent.

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10. "i dont understand why he hasnt conceded yet"
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especially because i really do think its time for dems to come up with a
strategy that ensures trump *does* not even come close to winning
at least if not to restore my faith in this country
(its unbelievable that drumpf would have even *this* level of support).
and also because we know its going to be tough for hillary
she's not inspiring as a candidate
(how did we end up here? america, drumpf and hillary is the best you can do??)

and also so that *this* version of the republican party (the last 15 or so yrs version, i mean)
self implodes and something of a viable alternative, conservative party emerges
at least that's my wish

my god, i was wishing trump would be the nominee as soon as he announced
because i felt even then that he was the perfect republican politician
i just never imagined that we would be at this place *smh

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12. "maybe it's karma for Hillary not dropping out in 2008"
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Bernie owes it to his voters IMO.

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17. "RE: maybe it's karma for Hillary not dropping out in 2008"
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Hillary was leading in the popular vote against Obama....Not the same thing, homie...

The million of times I debated hardcore Hillary fans on this board back in those days they never let me forget how close the race was...Because it was....Even when I was screaming that she should drop out...

Clinton is beating Bernie by a wide margin...Not even close.....And again...It's not about dropping out...Dude can stay in the race as long as he wants...Just turn down the bullshit...


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27. "nigga shut up... lol"
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who said it was about popular votes and being close. She knew she wasn't winning the delegate count and stayed in.

popular votes don't mean shit homie... why you keep bringing that up?

it's delegate count, momentum, etc...

Bernie staying in and staying on message because he can. Deal with it.

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31. "RE: nigga shut up... lol"
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>who said it was about popular votes and being close. She knew
>she wasn't winning the delegate count and stayed in.


On the contrary...The popular vote angle is what kept her in the race, Legs..And for good reason (which I hated).....

The reason she had to bow out against Obama: SUPER DELEGATES, not regular delegates....But super delegates....

The super delegates began to flip Obeezy's way and that was all she wrote....

I'm saying all this to lay it all out that being a huge Obama supporter back then I would have the very same debates with Hillary heads that I'm having now with Bernie folks....Except this is entirely different....Because not only is Bernie losing the delegate count...DUDE IS LOSING IN RAW POPULAR VOTES....lol

So yes...If a party is choosing a candidate more than another candidate in raw votes (Hillary over Obama) and the biggest reason you are being forced to bow out because of delegates then that is indeed something to bring up, like it or not. I HATED THAT PART OF THE DEBATE back then...because I knew deep in my heart Hillary Stans had a point...

But there is no such point for Bernie heads...None what so over...He's getting beat by all facets of this election except in crowd participation....

He needs to wrap it up...

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50. "nah. it was obvious O had momentum and it was time for her to bounce"
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and she didn't.

That's it, that's all. All that other stuff is the same reason she has to deal with Bernie right now.

The writing was on the wall and she went super ugly bruh... so she had to deal with Bernie and if she is smart she will use it to gain momentum with young progressives down the stretch as she pivots to Trump.

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52. "RE: nah. it was obvious O had momentum and it was time for her to bounce"
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>and she didn't.


Clinton has more vote totals (without Super delegates) over Bernie than Obama had over her...That's my only point...

>That's it, that's all. All that other stuff is the same reason
>she has to deal with Bernie right now.


>The writing was on the wall and she went super ugly bruh... so
>she had to deal with Bernie and if she is smart she will use
>it to gain momentum with young progressives down the stretch
>as she pivots to Trump.

This is how it works dog....When u r able to have one aspect of an election in your column then it's tough to leave...Clinton had more raw votes than Obeezy. So yeah, as much as I wanted her out of the race FAST, she could point to that....

This has always been the case HISTORICALLY Legs...Candidates stay in races longer because they have the numbers on their side...

Bernie's problem: HE DOES NOT HAVE THE NUMBERS ON HIS SIDE...lol

That's it...Print it....

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19. "karma for whom? hillary was nasty in 2008"
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she should've dropped out- and been more gracious when she conceded
we all know that
but this is not 2008
and barack's not on this stage

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26. "karma for Hillary in 2008"
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32. "Not conceding now isn't a big deal. "
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It allows for him to have his moment at the convention and deliver his voters to Hillary like Jesse Jackson did in 88.


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"when asked y he doesnt drop out he literally said hes not concerned with..."


  

          

hillary's personal problems lol...dude said hes gonna ride it all the way out

  

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39. "as he should, he is still getting huge crowds and he is old as shit"
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it's his moment. ride that shit til the wheels fall off.

fuck Hillary, the DNC gave it to her a long time ago so her people need to stop crying and learn how to generate some energy with these younger voters.

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57. "i dont knw legs...i knw hes feeln the moment & all that but if he cant....."
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win i think sooner or later you gotta look at the big pic...make hilldog acknowledge the issues hes raised and all that but we gotta shut this nigga trump down homey...i mean, if God forbid trump were to win life goes on but id hate to see that dude on the throne

  

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58. "He's going back to Cali"
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if he leaves early Bernie supporters will be mad as shit. Finish the race then hand it to Hillary.

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167. "In a one on one?"
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Trump beats Hillary... I don't like it or want it. That's what I see in the tea leaves with all the factors in front of us.

Hillary needs to drop out because she can't do what needs to be done. Even if she wanted to come over to the light, her baggage is quickly going to overtake her. It doesn't matter if it's before or after the General election, she will get taken down as a viable candidate with the investigations on her. The shaming of just the release of the sordid details of the investigations will be enough to bring her down and add fuel to the Trump extravaganza... will she be able to win a debate against that? More than likely not.

I think she will actually be indicted because you can't explain away breaking the laws she is accused to have broken when the FBI's info gets out there. She's essentially finished whenever the other shoe drops. She also has been trending downwards into previously unseen unfavorability levels and it can get worse with all the poor decisions she makes... not to mention the brewing scandal with Bill.

I could go on forever

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168. "I'm not banking on an FBI investigation"
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I think Trump is going to trounce her with simple ass talking points. Hillary will go in depth and Trump will shrug and keep it minimal while throwing haymakers that hit home.

The one thing Trump is really good at is selling lies and fantasies.

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41. "wow....i dont need him to be concerned about her personal problems"
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>hillary's personal problems lol...dude said hes gonna ride it
>all the way out

i need him to be concerned about the bigger picture
which is this drumpf issue
and also making sure dems win more seats in the house and senate (i dont know which of these elections are coming up)
at this point its far more important to make sure that seats that are up for grabs
there is at least the possibility of a democrat winning
these past few years have shown us that we need a functiong house and senate
not one that is driven by idiotic rhetoric/agendas

i mean... we *still* dont have movement on the supreme court nominee

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61. "yup...100%"
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71. "Trump isn't winning"
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it's not gonna happen.

“So back we go to these questions — friendship, character… ethics.”

  

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49. "Because even if he can't win the nom, he can influence the party platfor..."
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the more delegates he has, the more impact his causes will have on the party and its stated goals moving forward.

It's why Cruz hasn't offered his delegates to Trump.

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15. "I came to peace with it a while ago"
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I'm not a crazy die hard Bernie bro, but I did contribute to his campaign and he was my favorite candidate. I respect the passion, but some people need to get real - he's not going to win. If you still want to support him and not Hilary until the bitter end, fine. But be realistic.

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16. "https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-4pg6Jh94Lo"
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-4pg6Jh94Lo

  

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20. "I still think Sanders should stay in until the California primary...."
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He's making Hillary talk about issues that she would've gladly ignored otherwise and I'm all for that.

Having said that, Sanders did legitimately lose. I keep wondering how close this would be if the delegates didn't exist though.
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22. "i dont think there's anything else left"
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>He's making Hillary talk about issues that she would've
>gladly ignored otherwise and I'm all for that.

this was the 'sanders' appeal in the beginning
months and godknowshowmanydebates later?
i think all the ground has been covered.
he can still do anything remaining *within* her campaign against drumpf

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29. "I want to go Bernie or Bust so bad but the Republicans man....."
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they come off less as a political party more than ever. They're looking (and acting) more and more like a faction that needs to be stopped. And that's beyond bad because there probably are things that the government should be conservative about but......nah. I ain't siding with anyone who's blatantly hateful.

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28. "I've conceded that it was a very long shot a couple of months ago. But....."
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I don't think he should drop out until Cali. First of all, what is a few weeks in the grand scheme of things? He's gone this far already, might as well see it out.

Second, his whole thing is dependent on swaying super delegates. The only way he can legitimately make a case for himself is if he has a lead in the pledged delegates. And it's not like that is an impossibility.

Right now, the pledged delegate count is Clinton 1,768; Sanders 1,494.
A gap of 274 pledged delegates.
It looks like there are 475 pledged delegates at stake in Cali. If Sanders can swing a 60-40 win there, he would knock that lead down to 84 delegates.
Pull away some votes in the other remaining states, and he is right there with her.

Of course, this is all a long shot. But it is definitely possible.

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34. "RE: I've conceded that it was a very long shot a couple of months ago. B..."
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>Pull away some votes in the other remaining states, and he is
>right there with her.
>
>Of course, this is all a long shot. But it is definitely
>possible.


Bernie is not pulling away any delegates....At all..Especially after what happened in Nevada....

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36. "I'm talking about doing better than expected in the remaining states"
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Pulling expected pledged delegates from Clinton.
Super delegate stuff should even be in the conversation until the very end at the DNC

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48. "RE: I'm talking about doing better than expected in the remaining states"
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>Pulling expected pledged delegates from Clinton.
>Super delegate stuff should even be in the conversation until
>the very end at the DNC

He's not doing neither, dog....

And that's part of the problem...Bernie delivering false hopes to his supporters and painting a loss with the system being fixed....

If the election is deemed as fixed and Bernie is pushing that then how could this possibly end well?

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47. "We all know that Bernie is going to lose, but we Ain't quitting "
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53. "He got his people to boo the Democratic Party last night."
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And the process in Kentucky.

And he apparently doesn't have a problem with his supporters calling Barbara Boxer a "cunt."

He doesn't give a fuck about winning in November.

My guess is he'll be a little less conciliatory than Ted Kennedy was in 1980. And as a result, once again, the Republican who nobody thought could ever be president, will become president.

  

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59. "If Hillary loses to Trump it won't be because of Bernie"
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62. "RE: If Hillary loses to Trump it won't be because of Bernie"
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lol....

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69. "I know you will blame everyone but Hillary if she loses"
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it will be because she sucks ass at running for president.

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70. "RE: I know you will blame everyone but Hillary if she loses"
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>it will be because she sucks ass at running for president.


Dog...I'm only blaming Bernie for one thing only: HOW THE PHILADELPHIA CONVENTION TURNS OUT...

I have no concern over Bernie's supporters. NONE. They will be needed for the future of the Democratic Party.....But for this 2016 election Clinton can beat Trump without Bernie's first time voters and hardcore Progressives who were never Dems to begin with. (mixed with some hardcore Dems who will flip to Clinton)...

No...my worry is simple...If we get what happened in Nevada (the violence, the inner squabbling, the disruptive behavior) to happen on steroids during the Democratic Convention in Philadelphia THAT can spell disaster for the party....Because no one wants to support a party that looks like its in chaos....

Don;t get it twisted...I have little concern on whether or not Bernie's folks will vote for Clinton...I'm more concerned that Bernie is leading his peeps to a 68 Democratic Convention type clusterfuck....'

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76. "I will blame everyone *including* Hillary if she loses."
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The point of a political party is cooperation toward common goals. We're all in this together. You'd think a democratic socialist would see that.

  

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60. "RE: He got his people to boo the Democratic Party last night."
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>
>And the process in Kentucky.
>
>And he apparently doesn't have a problem with his supporters
>calling Barbara Boxer a "cunt."
>
>He doesn't give a fuck about winning in November.
>
>My guess is he'll be a little less conciliatory than Ted
>Kennedy was in 1980. And as a result, once again, the
>Republican who nobody thought could ever be president, will
>become president.


I've finally come around to your side Strav....I am no longer seeing the bright side of this shit...lol

I've gone on record to state that Bernie was a positive for the Democratic Party...I've stated that his campaign has helped Clinton (and I still believe that...) become a better candidate....

But this month has stripped away any good vibes I've had for Bernie's campaign....It;s gone beyond him dropping out which I never really pushed for (I remember debating this with u several months ago...)

Now it's about dude selling bullshit to his followers...It's about Bernie lighting a powder keg...I'm not concerned with his followers not supporting the Democratic nominee...I'm concerned with how they will react to Bernie losing...

Philly can become a literal riot outside of the arena....I'm spooked...

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55. "I voted for Bernie, I figured he'd lose...and I'm still not voting for H..."
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I don't expect Trump to win, but even if it looks close I'm still not voting for Hillary for the following reasons.

1) I live in a Red State. My vote isn't going to contribute to her getting a victory here. Yes, I live in a Blue county, but that doesn't really matter since she'll win this city but lose the state.

2) Her foreign policy positions aren't to my liking.

3) I don't feel inspired by her as a candidate.

So I'm voting 3rd party.

Best of luck to her though.

  

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64. "now *this* is part of the problem"
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>2) Her foreign policy positions aren't to my liking.
>
>3) I don't feel inspired by her as a candidate.
>
>So I'm voting 3rd party.


shit like this is what leaves me pessimistic
if this becomes the overwhelming sentiment of most bernie's supporters
its hard to argue with those who say this might hand drumpf a chance (in hell)

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67. "* this * is the overwhelming sentiment of Bernie supporters."
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now, the only question is will they say #nevertrump and throw their weight behind Hillary.

that's pretty much what this election comes down to IMO as long as Trump doesn't say any wild ass shit once the general race gets started.

  

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68. "I mean there's a reason why those are my 2nd and 3rd issues."
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If it weren't for my #1 reason I'd probably vote for her.


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73. "no, the problem is that people are more beholden to a candidate"
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than to the issues.

Bernie supporters aren't giving up on the candidate because to do that is to give up on his platform.

Hillary supporters seem to be more into the idea of Hillary than her policies. Which is fine, to each their own.

but the more people are afraid of Trump the more I think it should be Bernie's nomination. He's the only way to truly unite the party. Hell, to potentially unite the country. His policies even appeal to Trump supporters because he doesn't ignore the working class.

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74. "RE: no, the problem is that people are more beholden to a candidate"
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>than to the issues.
>
>Bernie supporters aren't giving up on the candidate because to
>do that is to give up on his platform.
>
>Hillary supporters seem to be more into the idea of Hillary
>than her policies. Which is fine, to each their own.

Nah...Hillary's supporters are mainly Democrats who want to beat the Repugs at any cost, for the most part....

Bernie's supporters are a mix of some Dems who want to see the party get more progressive but will vote for Clinton when it really comes down to it with a majority of first time voters and ultra left wing activists who have never identified themselves as Democrats anyway (the same people who usually vote 3rd party)

The worry isn't that they will not support Hilldawg....It's the worry of how they will react when Bernie loses.....

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82. "RE: no, the problem is that people are more beholden to a candidate"
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>Nah...Hillary's supporters are mainly Democrats who want to
>beat the Repugs at any cost, for the most part....

Well if you can't beat them, join them apparently @ Dems. They are so far right on issues I think it is why more Bernie supporters aren't afraid of Trump. As he steers left and Hillary pushes right they end up being the same damn candidate!

>Bernie's supporters are a mix of some Dems who want to see the
>party get more progressive but will vote for Clinton when it
>really comes down to it with a majority of first time voters
>and ultra left wing activists who have never identified
>themselves as Democrats anyway (the same people who usually
>vote 3rd party)
>
>The worry isn't that they will not support Hilldawg....It's
>the worry of how they will react when Bernie loses....

Right, I agree, except I think what a lot Bernie supporters are realizing is that they are not Democrats. The agenda/platform they align themselves with is more in line with Bernie's, not the Democratic Party. Their revolt is because they mistakenly ever felt that the Democrats were the progressive party, when in fact they were just not as bad as Republicans. Lo and behold, here we are again, with Hillary, stuck. But at least she's not as bad as....Trump? That shit wouldn't fly as a senior superlative in a yearbook, let alone a Presidential Nominee.

Plus the DNC is REJECTING Bernie's platform. They are doing damage because ultimately they are choosing not to adopt these progressive stances. They don't want to get rid of citizens united, or implement publicly funded elections. I get why, but don't pull that shit and still try to rub elbows with the people. The change has already come.

I think worst case there will be an exodus of people from the Democratic to the Independent party, if for no other reason to see if the DNC would THEN be inclined to open up the primaries so that they won't then be the THIRD largest party in the country.

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84. "lmao.. nah Hillary voters aren't about winning at any cost"
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cause if they were they would realize Bernie gives them the best shot because Hillary supporters will fall in line and vote Dem regardless while Bernie supporters may stay home.


IMO Hillary supporters call into 2 groups.. one wants her to be the first woman and really like her and the other think she is the safe bet and are afraid to rock the boat.

I get the impression that some believe Bernie voters are crazy and Hillary supporters are grounded and practical.

i just think Hillary voters are lazy and so far up the establishments ass they are willing to see more war, more poverty and wealth gaps but they don't care because they just want the W.

Hillary will say anything for a vote and that scares the shit out of me.

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93. "RE: lmao.. nah Hillary voters aren't about winning at any cost"
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>cause if they were they would realize Bernie gives them the
>best shot because Hillary supporters will fall in line and
>vote Dem regardless while Bernie supporters may stay home.


Nah...The Democratic Party understands that the Bernie coalition is important to the future...That's why they are not outright shitting on dude....But they also realize that future mainly is connected to the age of those voters....The Dems are not concerned with the activist progressives who never voted for the Dems until Bernie came along....


>IMO Hillary supporters call into 2 groups.. one wants her to
>be the first woman and really like her and the other think she
>is the safe bet and are afraid to rock the boat.
>
>I get the impression that some believe Bernie voters are crazy
>and Hillary supporters are grounded and practical.
>
>i just think Hillary voters are lazy and so far up the
>establishments ass they are willing to see more war, more
>poverty and wealth gaps but they don't care because they just
>want the W.
>
>Hillary will say anything for a vote and that scares the shit
>out of me.

U hate Hillary...I get it, dog...

I'm pretty fucking calculated with this shit. I don't think Bernie will be able to get over the hits he will receive from the Right Wing machine (they haven;t laid a glove on him yet...)...I don;t think people in a general election, who thinks Communism is the same as Socialism, will be lining up for him...I believe Bernie's power is in the youth....But they won't help this election cycle....

Basically, I'm looking at this as Clinton is the known commodity who has already taken the hits...If Bernie can't even beat her in places like Ohio, Florida, and Penn I don't see how he is the better candidate...

And let's be clear...If Bernie beat Clinton in those same states I would be voting for him....

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94. "This is a really bad inference."
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>cause if they were they would realize Bernie gives them the
>best shot because Hillary supporters will fall in line and
>vote Dem regardless while Bernie supporters may stay home.

Primary voters are not representative of the general electorate. If we shore up the hardcore Bernie supporters (a tiny fraction of the overall electorate), while scaring away the huge swaths of the country who aren't partisan enough to even vote in primaries but consistently vote in generals, then we do net harm to the ticket.

  

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97. "RE: This is a really bad inference."
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>>cause if they were they would realize Bernie gives them the
>>best shot because Hillary supporters will fall in line and
>>vote Dem regardless while Bernie supporters may stay home.
>
>Primary voters are not representative of the general
>electorate. If we shore up the hardcore Bernie supporters (a
>tiny fraction of the overall electorate), while scaring away
>the huge swaths of the country who aren't partisan enough to
>even vote in primaries but consistently vote in generals, then
>we do net harm to the ticket.


I think a lot of younger heads and hardcore progressives who have never really voted for the Dems fail to realize this....

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136. "Bernie ppl care about the issues...Hillary ppl care about the logo"
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81. "Funny, I would have said this about Bernie, not Hillary."
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>Hillary supporters seem to be more into the idea of Hillary
>than her policies. Which is fine, to each their own.

You really think Hillary and Bernie are all that different on policies?

They're both calling for raising the minimum wage. They're both calling for substantial reductions in the cost of higher education. They're both calling for further expansion of health care. They're both calling for increased regulation of fossil fuels, and public funding of alternative energy sources. They're both calling for increased regulation of the financial sector. At least with regard to domestic policy (which, right or wrong, seems to be all people talk about), they are very similar.

You can argue that Bernie is more progressive on the minimum wave and higher education. I would argue that Hillary is more progressive on energy and wall street. But the outlines for both campaigns are the same. They're the Obama agenda, honestly.

It seems to me that the Bernie supporters are more into the idea of Bernie (and their made-up ideas about Hillary) than about any real policy debates.

  

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87. "progressive on Wall St.... more like progressive FOR Wall St"
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they about to bend us over again...

you really think she was beating their ears up on those speeches?

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89. "Luckily speeches aren't laws."
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The laws she's proposing are better than Bernie's.

This is precisely that policy/personality distinction we're talking about. When people say they can't support Hillary because they just don't like her, or even because they don't trust her, those could in principle be valid reasons (I think usually they're not, but that's another discussion), but they're not policy reasons.

  

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121. "here's the policy argument that makes hillary a more progressive candida..."
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http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/why-its-a-big-deal-hillary-clinton-plans-to-shake-up-the-fed-20160513

Hillary Clinton is taking on the United States Federal Reserve System, but in a wonky, bottom's-up way that shows her understanding of a complex and widely misunderstood organization. This is not "End the Fed" or even "audit the Fed" — she wants to rebuild it from its fundamentals at the regional level.

SIDEBAR

To paraphrase Mitt Romney, the Federal Reserve is people, my friend. Hillary Clinton's recent proposal to change the roster of Fed officials who ultimately make monetary policy and regulatory decisions might be the most effective Fed-reform idea since the financial crisis. Generally, the public pays attention to little more than the face of the organization — the Fed's chairperson, currently Janet Yellen — who announces and explains the Fed's decisions. But beneath Yellen functions an intricate and influential bureaucracy that's dominated by interests from the financial sector, the vast majority of them white men, and may well be blind to the reality of a vast majority of Americans.

The Federal Reserve was set up in 1917, in the wake of a financial crisis, as a private national bank that could serve as lender of last resort to other banks. If a bank needed money to make good on deposits, it could go to the Fed for a short-term loan. It was, since its inception, a bankers' institution, run for banks, by banks. But its role has clearly evolved as credit markets have developed and as the Fed's mandate was changed to pursue price stability (low inflation) and full employment at the same time, while helping to regulate the sector for which it also serves as lender.

As the Fed's mission has expanded, its governance has not. The Fed is run by a seven-member board in Washington, D.C., and a dozen regional bank presidents based in financial centers throughout the country (New York, St. Louis, Kansas City and Cleveland, among others). While the crew in D.C. is selected by the president and vetted by Congress, the regional bank presidents are chosen by the financial industry and tend to be either bankers or career Fed employees. Of the 12 bank presidents, two are women and only one is not white.

New York's regional president is Willian C. Dudley, previously a Goldman Sachs managing director. Robert S. Kaplan of Dallas was a former vice chairman at Goldman. Neel Kashkari, a known financial reformer, is nonetheless a former employee of PIMCO, one of the world's largest asset managers and a subsidiary of German financial behemoth Allianz. Dennis P. Lockhart, president of the Federal Reserve Bank of Atlanta is a former Citigroup executive.

Clinton's proposal would remove bankers from the regional boards of directors. Those boards choose the regional presidents and generate most of the information and perspective that the Federal Reserve governors use to set monetary policy. Clinton clearly understands how the Fed functions. Donald Trump has said he would not reappoint Janet Yellen as chair. Fine. But appointing the Fed chair is merely the most high-profile action a president can take in this regard. It doesn't change the system, and the Fed is known as the Federal Reserve System for a reason.

This is Clinton at her best – she knows how the government works. The region Federal Reserve boards do not get a lot of press. Most people do not know that they are staffed with chief executives from Morgan Stanley, Comerica, KeyCorp and private-equity firms like Silver Lake, and if they do know it, they do not understand its importance.

The Fed is generally a topic of political bluster. "I appointed him and he disappointed me," complained George H.W. Bush about Alan Greenspan, when the Fed chair refused to cut interest rates in the face of a recession that probably cost Bush his re-election in 1992. Before that, Ronald Reagan had to endure Chairman Paul Volcker raising interest rates so high in an effort to combat inflation that out-of-work construction workers were mailing bricks and wooden beams to the Fed in protest.

The idea that the Fed often acts contrary to the interests of working people is not new, but aside from requiring the Fed to pursue full employment in addition to price stability in 1977, presidents who are unhappy with the Fed have done little more than complain. Even after Greenspan disappointed Bush, Bill Clinton reappointed him to the post. When Greenspan retired, Ben Bernanke, an intellectual heir, took the helm. When he retired, Yellen, also an intellectual heir, took over. The power to appoint the Fed chair and governors is not, clearly, the power to change things.

Clinton is digging deeper. Changing the roster of the regional boards will hopefully help more accurate economic information trickle up to the chairperson and the federal governors. Perhaps, even, a labor representative or somebody with closer ties to the common American experience could become a regional bank president.

In her quiet way, tinkering with the inner workings of a near-century old quasi-government institution that is arcane to most, Clinton has a chance to achieve radical, lasting financial reform.

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104. "YES I forgot, from the guy who thinks"
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Hillary is MORE for campaign finance reform than Bernie.

And wall street speeches? It's funny how yall are quick to dismiss her speeches but base all of your faith in her based on things she's said. People hear what they want I suppose.

Her aiming short of Bernie's platform isn't "better" or "pragmatic" or "experience". It's selling people short because she'd rather negotiate from the billionaire perspective than from our side. If you are going to progress, go all the way and project all people. Simple.

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78. "The preachy tone of the DNC/pro-Clinton crowd is damaging"
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During a time when they need to be actively courting the Progressive vote and Sanders supporters - they are rushing to preach and lecture that segment of the electorate prematurely.

Sanders is going all the way to the Convention - and rightfully so. There are serious problems with how the DNC adjudicated this primary process - and those problems need to be fully accounted for and addressed before a resolution and "big-tent" Democratic coalition can be manifested.

What a lot of centrist DNC/Hillary supports fail to realize is that a *very* large segment of voters in this Democratic primary do not hold undying allegiance to the party - and for very sound/logical/principled reasons. The notion that you can just wave a magic wand and persuade a Sanders supporter with faux pragmatism is not going to work, and it's causing a real divide within the party during a time when the DNC could and should be harnessing the youth/energy and Independent voters who would ensure down-ballot wins for the party.

Instead - they are being told to forget about Clinton's interventionist, Kissinger-style foreign policy that is indistinguishable from NeoCons - she's "experienced" so she will be great at purveying foreign policy! They are saying they should "get real" and understand that this rigged political/economic system can only be changed from an Insider who is the weaker general election candidate. They are being told to "come together for the sake of the party" when these voters (many of whom are new voters) do not care for partisan politics and are instead energized by status-quo challengers who have real policies and stances to address social, racial, and economic injustices. They want substantive change not just on the domestic front - but in our application of foreign policy and war powers.

The onus is not on Sanders supporters and Progressives to come to Hillary. Rather, the challenge is for Clinton to adopt more of the Progressive platform and to proactively court the Progressive vote (if she in fact wants that vote). Because even though she may defeat Trump without the support of Independents, Progressives, and Dems under the age of 40 - the larger down-ballot races will get *slaughtered* by Republicans if the Dems fail to welcome in non-traditional voters into the process.

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80. "RE: The preachy tone of the DNC/pro-Clinton crowd is damaging"
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Their only concern Vex is Bernie turning it down...That's it...He can stay in the race all he wants...But turn it down....

They are fearful that what happened in Nevada will be 20 times as worst in Philly....

Even some Bernie supporters are saying this now....

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88. "well the DNC has to time it down as well"
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stop acting like they don't need Bernies voters to win the election.

they pretty much handed this to Hillary from jump.

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91. "This is so disingenuous."
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The Reuter's poll came out last week and Trump has the democratic establishment scared. There's panic and shock right now as Trump continues to control the media narrative. 'Blame Bernie' is it's manifestation. Vex is right. They need to be courting progressives rather than lecturing them.

American leftists need a leftist party to vote for. It's really not more complicated than that. This is a response to neo-liberalism that doesn't serve the poor. This shit is 30 to 40 years in the making.

  

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95. "RE: This is so disingenuous."
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>The Reuter's poll came out last week and Trump has the
>democratic establishment scared. There's panic and shock
>right now as Trump continues to control the media narrative.
>'Blame Bernie' is it's manifestation. Vex is right. They
>need to be courting progressives rather than lecturing them.


Yeah....slow down...

The only thing that scares Dems is Bernie going rogue....He's the fear factor....If Bernie decides to go into the convention on some CAPTAIN PROGRESSIVE shit then all hell will break lose...

Other than that Liberals are always going to do what Liberals do...Worry....lol...There were ALOT of progressives that actually thought Obama was going to lose to Romney....True story....

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137. "THANK YOU"
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83. "*does not surrender vote*"
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The Dems haven't earned my vote this year, trump or not

But Bernie as a democrat is dead

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86. "why not vote for who you like in a primary?"
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who cares if hes a losing candidate?

isn't the idea to register support for the person who you wish the most could be president?

strategy voting in a general is one thing, can't let the other side win, etc etc

but in a primary i dont get it why not vote bernie if you like bernie, whats the downside

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92. "RE: why not vote for who you like in a primary?"
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Well, if a candidate couldn't win a general election, then they shouldn't be allowed to become the nominee.

I really liked Bernie at first, back when all I knew about him was that he was proud to be a socialist (as am I) and that he gives fiery speeches. But I still opposed him on the grounds that he'd be a weaker general election candidate than Hillary. The purpose of a primary is to pick a nominee, not to register your positions.

  

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172. "RE: why not vote for who you like in a primary?"
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>The purpose of a primary is to pick a nominee, not to register
>your positions.

Huh? The positions should dictate your choice of nominee. Not the other way around.

Every vote- even for a losing candidate- is a statement about which policies you prefer. That's the end game. It doesn't matter who's sitting in the chair enacting the policies. Positions are all that should matter.

And yes I understand that the policies are pointless (in the short term) if your candidate loses the election and can't enact them.

But the long play in a Democratic system is to make a statement about how you want the country to be run.

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90. "Bernie is done but he doesnt need to drop out in order for Hillary to fo..."
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96. "Let's count the many Bernie supporters..."
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...who are now telling him to either tone it down or get out....

We have a Salon writer who was riding with Bernie since the beginning and claimed several times that H. Clinton would be a weaker candidate: http://www.salon.com/2016/05/18/sorry_bernie_i_love_you_but_this_is_over_and_getting_embarrassing/?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=socialflow

You got hardcore progressive Josh Marshall who owns Talking Point Memo giving dude the side eye: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/it-comes-from-the-very-top

There's Charles Pierce over at Esquire, who was holding down Bernie down so hard that he was getting killed on Twitter on a daily from Hill-Dawg supporters: http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/news/a44904/nevada-democratic-convention/

There's a few more coming out. They just want dude to lose with some humility and not tell his supporters that a loss equals FIX....

Because that's the danger...Making Clinton an illegitimate face of the party and pushing your followers to show their ass at the Democratic Convention....

Bernie is beyond playing with fire....Dude is adding more gas....

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98. "if you experienced the 2000 election, you saw the same thing"
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Nader folks just hated the mainstream Dems

Same thing here.

  

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99. "RE: if you experienced the 2000 election, you saw the same thing"
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>Nader folks just hated the mainstream Dems
>
>Same thing here.


The irony is I'm not so much worried about Bernie running as a 3rd Party....He would become a pariah...I don't think he will go that route...

I'm more concerned with his followers and how they will react to him losing when he comes to the Democratic convention...

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103. "this would have gone better if the dnc played fair. let's not forget tha..."
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the party is playing with fire on this more than bernie's people are. the rules are stupid, and state parties have also been shady about the rules, which makes no sense since hillary was going to win regardless anyway.

  

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105. "RE: this would have gone better if the dnc played fair. let's not forget..."
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Man...fuck all that bullshit...lol

Politics ain't fair..It wasn't fair to Dukakis...It wasn't fair to Gore...It was;t fair to H. Clinton back in 08 when people like myself was telling her drop out when she was still beating Obeezy in the popular raw vote...

But that doesn't mean u start to go crazy just because your candidate loses an election....

It is what it is. I hope Bernie turns this shit down...Quick fast....

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109. "people are not going crazy because bernie lost"
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the winners are going crazy and changing the rules in a panic because democracy feels too messy to them.

this is after super delegates were already created to help provide a buffer (which she doesn't need) for candidates like hillary.

ALL these idiots in nevada had to do was count that shit and let bernie have a few more delegates. but they couldn't resist flexing. just like it's happened in a few states.

it wouldn't have mattered. no one is going to remember if hillary wins by 800 delegates of 1200 delegates. just sew this thing up with some class and act like fucking winners. you don't play hack-a-shaq when you're up by 20 at the end of the 4th.

y'all need to get your people.

  

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113. "RE: people are not going crazy because bernie lost"
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>ALL these idiots in nevada had to do was count that shit and
>let bernie have a few more delegates. but they couldn't resist
>flexing. just like it's happened in a few states.

Bernie's people went crazy over two delegates, dog...Two delegates...And they went crazy because Hillary's folks got their people more mobilized than Bernie (something he tried to do in a previous state)...

This shit is silly....

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116. "people cheated for hillary over 2-ish delegates "
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you know how stupid that is? do you know how dirty that is?

on top of all the other advantages she has? that shit is tone deaf. it's a loser mentality.

i don't even think hillary's campaign had anything to do with that. someone in nevada wanted to make a point and win *bigger* and created that mess.

  

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119. "RE: people cheated for hillary over 2-ish delegates "
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That's not what happened....

And I wish Bernie and his team would clarify.....

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120. "This doesn't matter nearly as much as you think."
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Trump has almost pulled even with Clinton in the polls. And you're attributing this to the tone of the Sanders campaign? Seriously?

Trump is gaining on her because he is controlling the media, both social and conventional, in a masterful way. Due respect...but you've been in denial of that for 7 to 8 months now.

  

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101. "Democrats Fear an Unruly July Convention in Philadelphia (SWIPE)"
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There's def. reason to be spooked....Bernie over-selling the dream (and calling any loss in the primary a result of the Democrats cock blocking) looks like its charging up his peeps....Shit may get real in July....

I wasn't born in '68, but I'm already getting those flashbacks...

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Democrats Fear an Unruly July Convention in Philadelphia

Bernie Sanders backers get permits to demonstrate, sparking worries of damage to party and Hillary Clinton


Democratic National Committee Chairwoman Debbie Wasserman Schultz, shown last month, criticized presidential candidate Sen. Bernie Sanders on Wednesday. ENLARGE
Democratic National Committee Chairwoman Debbie Wasserman Schultz, shown last month, criticized presidential candidate Sen. Bernie Sanders on Wednesday. PHOTO:

A growing number of Democrats are bracing for a divisive and disorderly July presidential convention in Philadelphia that could damage the party and expected nominee Hillary Clinton.

A loose coalition of supporters of rival Sen. Bernie Sanders is using social media to plan a series of events at the Democratic National Convention. Using pro-Sanders blogs and websites, organizers will be pressing to insert his progressive agenda—from free college tuition to revisions in the primary process—into the party’s platform.

At least five of the nine permit applications to hold demonstrations during the four-day event have been filed by pro-Sanders forces with the Philadelphia city government, according to the mayor’s office. The groups planning the events are named The Berners, Black Men for Bernie, Movement for Bernie and Bernie-or-Bust. No applications have been filed yet by supporters of Mrs. Clinton.

Cleveland, the site of the Republican National Convention, which was once expected to be a disruptive event, reported receiving six permit applications as of early May—none indicating that they are in support of any former Republican candidates.

“I really wouldn’t call it a protest. It’s a political revolution. It’s something that we will celebrate,” said Bill Taylor, a 30-year-old Philadelphia resident and Sanders campaign volunteer who is helping organize the demonstrations at the convention. “There is no stopping the movement that Bernie has created. This isn’t about one man.”

The prospective protests could undermine efforts by the party to unite its wings for the fall fight against presumptive Republican nominee Donald Trump, and overshadow the fact that Mrs. Clinton’s is the first female nominee of a major U.S. political party.

Both Mrs. Clinton and Mr. Trump inched closer to clinching their respective nominations on Tuesday, as the former secretary of state declared victory in the Kentucky primary and Mr. Trump rolled up a win in Oregon. Mr. Sanders won the Oregon Democratic primary, though he has almost no chance of catching Mrs. Clinton in the race for the 2,383 delegates needed to win.

Doug Schoen, a polling expert who has advised former President Bill Clinton, said the divisions within the party “appear to be widening, not narrowing, in ways that could be calamitous, particularly if there is ongoing chaos at the Democratic convention.”

The animus between Mr. Sanders and some party leaders boiled over into public view on Saturday, when his backers, angry over the delegate allocation at a Nevada state convention that favored Mrs. Clinton, began shouting, throwing chairs and issuing death threats to the state party chairwoman. Mrs. Clinton won the Feb. 20 Nevada caucuses.

In a text message exchange, one person warned: “We know where you live…where you work…where you eat…where your kids go to school/grandkids…we have everything on you,” before adding: “You made a bad choice. Prepare for hell.”

Read the rest here: http://www.wsj.com/articles/democrats-fear-an-unruly-july-convention-in-philadelphia-1463614009

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106. "again, maybe they should stop bullshitting and rigging these things"
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they're drawing out a process they already won by jealously hoarding delegates they don't need and freezing out big chunks of their coalition.

"But the Democratic establishment can maintain neutrality in this process without compromising their preferred candidate. The fact is, Clinton has received at least 2.5 million more primary votes than Sanders. She was – and is – likely to win the nomination. There’s no need to rig the process or skew the rules in her favor – doing so only adds to the suspicion that the process itself is undemocratic, which is ruinous to the party’s long-term viability.

It’s still unclear what the hell happened in Nevada. The optics are terrible – that’s for sure. Ultimately, the state’s few remaining delegates are meaningless and won’t alter the dynamics of the race. But the reports are sufficiently murky that both Sanders and Clinton supporters will grow more entrenched as a result of what happened there. That won’t hurt the Sanders campaign, but it will undermine the efforts of the DNC and the Clinton campaign to unify the party against the GOP and Donald Trump."

http://www.salon.com/2016/05/16/what_the_hell_just_happened_in_nevada_sanders_supporters_are_fed_up_and_rightfully_so/

i don't know what's wrong with hillary people, either in these state conventions or okp. there's no ideological or electoral argument for burying or antagonizing voices in support of bernie.

  

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108. "RE: again, maybe they should stop bullshitting and rigging these things"
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And this^^^ is the problem...Very dangerous....

As one very vocal Bernie supporter said:

"I voted for Bernie Sanders. I even wrote about why I did here at this very shebeen. But if anybody thinks that, somehow, he is having the nomination "stolen" from him, they are idiots...." (http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/news/a44904/nevada-democratic-convention/)

U keep telling angry people that the election was stolen away from them, what do u think will happen?


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114. "the nomination isn't being stolen from bernie. but delegates are. "
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and it makes absolutely no sense.

we can all agree that hillary has this wrapped up. but the party in nevada decided to muddy the waters and piss people off.

they cheated when they didn't need to.

you can pretend it doesn't matter in the long run if are playing fantasy politics and *only* care about how this factors in with winning the nom, but these are people the democrats need voting for hillary or other candidates in the future. they showed up to vote for bernie and got screwed, and they have a right to be angry about it.

it's a good way to wreck a coalition.

  

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117. "RE: the nomination isn't being stolen from bernie. but delegates are. "
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I got u dog...

Bernie needs to turn it down though...Gotta stop filling his supporters with wild shit...

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138. "Yep, we're so close to the end of R's and D's I can't wait."
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110. "ABC just showed a poll that had Trump ahead 45% to 42% vs...."
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Hillary and within the margin of error.

so, for all of you in here saying that Trump is going to get blown away by Hillary I say...

HOW SWAY?

  

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111. "RE: ABC just showed a poll that had Trump ahead 45% to 42% vs...."
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>Hillary and within the margin of error.
>
>so, for all of you in here saying that Trump is going to get
>blown away by Hillary I say...
>
>HOW SWAY?


Come on dog...U better than this...That's a FOX News poll:

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/05/18/fox-news-poll-trump-tops-clinton-both-seen-as-deeply-flawed-candidates.html

And really...it's no shock Trump is closing in on Clinton...Considering that the Dems are still engaged in a needless primary fight while Trump has pivoted to the general and is getting the Republican party in line....

Damn...i can't...

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112. "i don't know who did the fucking poll. "
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i'm pretty certain ABC said it was THEIR poll, but I could be wrong.

still, Trump is sitting pretty right now.

Dems are scared.

Hillary and the DNC better start doing a better job of appealing to Bernie supporters or this thing is gonna be rough for her.

  

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115. "RE: i don't know who did the fucking poll. "
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>i'm pretty certain ABC said it was THEIR poll, but I could be
>wrong.

It's all good dog...Here's the poll ABC was talking about....


Fox News Poll: Trump tops Clinton, both seen as deeply flawed candidates
Dana Blanton

By Dana Blanton Published May 18, 2016 FoxNews.com


Donald Trump tops Hillary Clinton in a hypothetical head-to-head matchup, according to a new Fox News Poll that also finds majorities of voters feel both frontrunners lack strong moral values and will say anything to get elected.

Trump has a 45-42 percent edge over Clinton, if the presidential election were held today. That’s within the poll’s margin of sampling error. Last month, Clinton was up by 48-41 percent (April 2016).

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122. "I think murph is giving the American people WAY too much credit."
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The Trump candidacy is hard to predict, but I think he'll be the most formidable Republican candidate we've seen in decades.

  

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123. "RE: I think murph is giving the American people WAY too much credit."
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>
>The Trump candidacy is hard to predict, but I think he'll be
>the most formidable Republican candidate we've seen in
>decades.

I'm only giving blacks, Latinos and women more credit...The white voters who make up the Republican party are going to do what they r going to do....

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126. "Agreed. The overconfidence of people on this is pretty distubing to me."
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Pelosi was going on the other day about how she guarantees Trump will never be president. My immediate thought was "Fuck. He really is gonna win"

  

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I'm not over-confident at all....lol

But it's not Trump that has me worried...

When u read shit like this u tend to start looking over your shoulder....Bernie is who I'm more concerned about...Here's the latest from the NY Times who r no friends to H. Clinton...Bernie looks like he's going there...

New York Times
Bernie Sanders, Eyeing Convention, Willing to Harm Hillary Clinton in the Homestretch

Excerpt: "While Mr. Sanders says he does not want Mr. Trump to win in November, his advisers and allies say he is willing to do some harm to Mrs. Clinton in the shorter term if it means he can capture a majority of the 475 pledged delegates at stake in California and arrive at the Philadelphia convention with maximum political power.

Tad Devine, a senior adviser to Mr. Sanders, said the campaign did not think its attacks would help Mr. Trump in the long run, but added that the senator’s team was “not thinking about” the possibility that they could help derail Mrs. Clinton from becoming the first woman elected president. "The only thing that matters is what happens between now and June 14,” Mr. Devine said, referring to the final Democratic primary, in the District of Columbia."

link: http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/19/us/politics/bernie-sanderss-campaign-accuses-head-of-dnc-of-favoritism.html?_r=0

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130. "The way I look at it she's harming herself"
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When half the party is saying give us something MORE. You don't stay mum(stealth middle finger). If her people want to play that game then they will lose. She needs to adopt some of the bigger pieces of Bernie's platform like Universal Healthcare, saying she will pick a Justice who will be against Citizen's United(Obama's pick ain't it), or saying she will be against interventionist conflicts(against her historical record). She needs to give up something BIG as a fig leaf.

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132. "RE: The way I look at it she's harming herself"
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Man....There are several Bernie heads and loyal supporters coming out now stating dude needs to slow down....Like I said, telling the man to drop out is silly. I'm not about that bullshit...

But Bernie needs to stick to his Progressive platform instead of going at the Democrats presumptive nominee as if it's January....It's just not smart, politically...More importantly it could be devastating for a party Bernie never really belonged to but was allowed to run under....

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139. "He's a truer Dem than Hillary, actually"
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She's a Repub in Dems clothing. Her and Bill. I see how she's trying to pussy foot up to the Republican donors now.

She's a hawk.

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141. "RE: He's a truer Dem than Hillary, actually"
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Yeah...take that Tea Party shit somewhere else, dog....

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142. "Stop carrying water for the Shills, Tom"
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It's unbecoming.

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146. "RE: Stop carrying water for the Shills, Tom"
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Nah...I'm just a Dem, homie....

Dem vs. Republican.....I vote for the team that doesn't want to overturn Roe Vs. Wade and kick my black ass off Obama Care...

If Bernie was leading Clinton, I would be voting for dude in the general....Because I don't get down with Tea Party-like zealotry....

Like I said, stay on the Litmus test...I'm good...

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147. "I look at you as a Neo-Liberal"
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Since she is a Hawk and into interventionist regime changes as a form of foreign policy then I must assume that you are the same since you support it. I'm a Dem in the same vein as FDR. I'm for the worker, I'm for state/federally funded education, I'm for domestic policies of social service and infrastructure building. She is a corporatist and we know they tend to lean corporate.

By supporting Hillary you are in league with this. I say no and I will not. I've seen enough of you to know you're not "good". You're actually, bad. You ignore the truth.

I'm looking for a bombshell or two this week though.

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131. "i love Bernie.. but will NEVER vote for a racist, corrupt millionaire..."
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.....so a vote for Hillary or Trump is NEVER fucking happening

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135. "lol"
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Let me sport my Air Hyperbole 2010s in peace. (c) ansomble

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140. "RE: i love Bernie.. but will NEVER vote for a racist, corrupt millionair..."
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I'm with you. This investigation can't get going fast enough. I like what I'm seeing in PR too. Hillary is just terrible. Trump is the equivalent in many ways.

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144. "Y'all sound like Conservatives i hear on my hunting sites I be on"
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>I'm with you. This investigation can't get going fast enough.
>I like what I'm seeing in PR too. Hillary is just terrible.
>Trump is the equivalent in many ways.


I bet ya;; have Hillary for Prison 2016 stickers on your lifted F-350 4x4 too

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145. "Far from it"
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I live in the boogie down. Try parking an SUV on the street here. Also, I'm a brotha. Did I break too many stereotypes?

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156. "RE: Y'all sound like Conservatives i hear on my hunting sites I be on"
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>
>I bet ya;; have Hillary for Prison 2016 stickers on your
>lifted F-350 4x4 too


you sound brainwahsed... I clearly stated i'd never vote for trump or clinton.. TRUMP or clinton...

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148. "Kind of pathetic"
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That Trump has reached out to Sander's supporters more than Hillary has. She's really trying to lose this election.

Congratulations Democrats, you screwed up a sure thing.

I'm looking forward to future multi party elections. The two part system is broken and corrupt

  

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151. "Well Trump's thing is harnessing people's anger"
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So it's not surprising to see him try to extend his con-game to clip some Bern supporters who are feeling disenfranchised, and pissed off. But it's weird seeing any Bernie supporters who pride themselves on not falling for Hillary's bullshit, not seeing through Trump's transparent-as-fuck phony concern about them.

  

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152. "D'evils"
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I'm choosing none, personally. What do you choose, and why?

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149. "Get ya latest poll heahhh! Get your Trump v. Clinton poll!"
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http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_clinton-5491.html

This is trending badly for our least favorite Democratic candidate.

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153. "Holy shit."
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I'm almost numb to this shit now.

I felt the exact same way with the Iraq war. I just happened to be on paternal leave during the build-up to it....and I watched a lot of the UN meetings. It was like watching a car wreck in slow motion....knowing the outcome long before it happens and watching the whole sad story develop in real time was like torture.

Being one of the few people that predicted a trump presidency from the outset when everybody told me I was crazy.....I just can't believe this is happening at the SAME time as KNOWING that it was gonna happen. And in Toronto...there's now several think pieces relating Trump's rise to Rob Ford and how Trump borrowed so much of his rhetoric and campaign strategies.

The rise of anti-intellectualism is real and should scare the shit out of all of us.

  

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154. "I still believe in the rule of law here"
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Each candidate has flaws. Hillary's flaw is that she's sloppy... this will be her undoing. The investigation will yield a big L that cannot be ignored and will bring her down. I think that we'll find out very soon and the tide will turn greatly. Bernie will be the nominee and take Trump down.

It's a viable conclusion because this is what Hillary has always been. The fire rises.

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155. "You predicted minorities would vote for Trump "
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that aint happening.

Its reverse Obama at play. White people who never voted before are coming out for Trump. You also blue collar white dems switching for Trump.

The okp Hill bots swear the latinos will save the day but it comes down to swing states. I think Trump wins Ohio easily vs Hillary and thats going to be a problem.

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163. "I predicted ENOUGH minorities would vote for Trump."
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Enough to win the GE. There will be no minority coalition like we saw with Obama. I don't know what the number is....but Trump just needs to be good enough. And he'll get it because anti-intellectualism crosses racial divides.

  

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164. "nah, i think its going to be whiiiite people. like 98%"
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only minorities he will get that may impact this election is white cubans who swear they arent Cuban but its in a swing state.

every where else tho... whiiite people. Trump bringing out new white voters like Obama brrought out new black voters

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158. "Care to mention that McCain was beating Obama around the same time"
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in 2008 after McCain had wrapped up the nomination and Obama had yet to seal the deal?

No? OK.


>http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_clinton-5491.html
>
>This is trending badly for our least favorite Democratic
>candidate.


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159. "Duly noted"
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Obama also had a much better image than Hillary does at this point now. It's not an apples to apples comparison. Also he wasn't being investigated by the FBI, there is that. I suspect Obama was probably trending a lot more positively too. I lived through it so I don't need to eyeball the numbers.

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161. "hillary is closer to mccain in that comparison than she is to obama. "
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party in power + came in second to person in power because they were less exciting and relatable + nominated mostly because it was their turn, while many among the party feeling super meh about the campaign + old + perceived as respectable centrist + run as a serious foreign policy candidate, but not a lot of foreign policy ideas + iconic opponent in the general

  

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165. "exactly, only difference is she is a woman"
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and having the first woman in office could sway things but its not like Hillary brings hope, first time voters and new young voters into the mix.

She doesnt have the charisma, the voice, the speeches, the visuals, etc...

she is old, dry and flavorless.

her best quality is Trump.

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150. "FUCK THIS POST!!!"
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:( :'(

  

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157. "The Egregious Double Standard for Bernie and Hillary"
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https://www.pastemagazine.com/articles/2016/05/the-egregious-double-standards-for-bernie-and-hill.html

Paste putting the media on blast for their bias for Hillary.

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160. "LOL@the headline, Sanders hurting Clintons chances vs Trump "
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That's like saying the thunder are hurting the warriors chances vs the cavs

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162. "The Surrender begins"
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everyone seems to want to play nice...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/bernie-sanders-democratic-party-platform_us_57439500e4b00e09e89fdd8f

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169. "That sounds like a pretty big win for Sanders. I like it. "
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The issues that he's brought forward are much more likely to stay in the mix now.

  

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170. "apparently Cornel West is one of his sitting delegates."
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is THAT Black enough for you?

Bernie is doing the damn thing, and STILL has an outside shot at this nomination.

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173. "Bill Moyers: Dems can't unite unless Wasserman Schultz goes"
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http://billmoyers.com/story/democrats-cant-unite-unless-wasserman-schultz-goes/

To paraphrase the words of that Scottish master Robert Burns, the best laid plans of mice, men — and women — go often astray, or “gang aft agley,” as they say in the Highlands. No one knows this better than Hillary Rodham Clinton.

Twice now, the flight of her presidential aspirations has been forced to circle the airport as other contenders put up an unexpected fight: In 2008, Barack Obama emerged to grab the Democratic nomination away and this year, although all signs point to her finally grabbing the brass ring, unexpected and powerful progressive resistance came from the mighty wind of the Bernie Sanders campaign.

Certainly, Hillary Clinton is angered by all of this, but the one seemingly more aggrieved — if public comments and private actions are any indication — is Democratic National Committee chair and Florida Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz, a Hillary surrogate who takes umbrage like ordinary folks pop their vitamins in the morning.

As we recently wrote, “… She embodies the tactics that have eroded the ability of Democrats to once again be the party of the working class. As Democratic National Committee chair she has opened the floodgates for Big Money, brought lobbyists into the inner circle and oiled all the moving parts of the revolving door that twirls between government service and cushy jobs in the world of corporate influence.”

And that ain’t all. As a member of Congress, particularly egregious has been her support of the payday loan business, defying new regulations from the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau (CFPB) that would rein in an industry that soaks desperate borrowers. As President Obama said, “While payday loans might seem like easy money, folks often end up trapped in a cycle of debt.”

In fact, according to an article by Bethany McLean in the May issue of The Atlantic, “After studying millions of payday loans, the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau found that 67 percent went to borrowers with seven or more transactions a year, and the majority of borrowers paid more in fees than the amount of their initial loan.”

A recent editorial in the Orlando Sentinel notes that 7 percent of Florida’s population “must resort to this predatory form of small-dollar credit – nearly the highest rate in the nation…” What’s more, “Based on a 14-day loan term, the typical payday loan… had an annual percentage rate of 278 percent. Many lenders advertise rates of more than 300 percent.” Let us repeat that slowly… 300 percent!

So why has Wasserman Schultz been so opposed to the CFPB’s proposed rules? She has said, “Payday lending is unfortunately a necessary component of how people get access to capital, that are the working poor.” But maybe it has something more to do with the $2.5 million or so the payday loan industry has donated to Florida politicians from both parties since 2009. That’s according to a new report by the liberal group Allied Progress. More than $50,000 of that cash has gone to Rep. Wasserman Schultz.

But we digress. It’s the skullduggery going on within the Democratic Party establishment that’s our current concern and as we wrote in March, Rep. Wasserman Schultz “has played games with the party’s voter database, been accused of restricting the number of Democratic candidate debates and scheduling them at odd days and times to favor Hillary Clinton, and recently told CNN’s Jake Tapper that superdelegates — strongly establishment and pro-Clinton — are necessary at the party’s convention so deserving incumbent officials and party leaders don’t have to run for delegate slots ‘against grassroots activists.’ Let that sink in, but hold your nose against the aroma of entitlement.”

Now Wasserman Schultz has waded into the controversy over what happened or didn’t happen last weekend when Sanders supporters loudly and vehemently objected to the rules at the Nevada State Democratic Convention. In truth, some behaved badly at the event and others made trollish, violent and obscene threats to Democratic state chair Roberta Lange via phone, email and social media. There’s no excuse for such aggressive, creepy conduct, and Sanders was quick and direct in apologizing for the behavior of the rowdies and bullies.

But there is a double standard at play here. Why, pray tell, shouldn’t the peaceful majority of Sanders people be angry at the slow-motion, largely invisible rigging of the political process by Wasserman Schultz and the Clinton machine — all for the benefit of Secretary Clinton?

Wasserman Schultz claims the party rules over which she has presided (and manipulated) are “eminently fair.” She told CNN on Wednesday morning, “It is critical that we as candidates, we as Democratic Party leaders, everyone involved needs to make sure that we can take all the steps that we need to, to ensure that the process is not only run smoothly but that the response from the supporters of both candidates is appropriate and civil.”
Why shouldn’t the peaceful majority of Sanders people be angry at the slow-motion, largely invisible rigging of the political process?

In response to the DNC chair’s remarks, Sanders campaign manager Jeff Weaver talked to CNN, too, and said Wasserman Schultz had been “throwing shade on the Sanders campaign since the very beginning… Debbie Wasserman Schultz has really been a divider and not really provided the kind of leadership that the Democratic Party needs.”

The Nation’s Joan Walsh, a Clinton supporter critical of the Sanders campaign, concurs: “Once again, Democratic National Committee chair Debbie Wasserman Schultz escalated a conflict that she should have worked to defuse,” she writes. “… Wasserman Schultz is not helping her friend Hillary Clinton with her attacks on Sanders. Just the appearance of fairness can go a long way in assuaging worries about fairness. Wasserman Schultz’s defiant rebuke to the Sanders camp has made it worse.”

So, too, has her abolition of the restraints that had been placed on corporate lobbyists and big money — now they can write checks bankrolling what doubtless will be swank and profligate parties during this summer’s Democratic National Convention. At The Intercept, Lee Fang and Zaid Jilani report that a number of the members of the Philadelphia host committee “are actively working to undermine progressive policies achieved by President Barack Obama, including health care reform and net neutrality. Some… are hardly even Democratic Party stalwarts, given that many have donated and raised thousands of dollars for Republican presidential and congressional candidates this cycle.”
This is a slap in the face to progressives calling for a halt to big money and allowing lobbyists to buy our elected officials.

This is a slap in the face to progressives calling for a halt to big money and allowing lobbyists to buy our elected officials. And it’s contrary to what Hillary Clinton herself has said about money and politics on the campaign trail. The Sanders movement has shown that lots of cash can be raised from everyday people making small donations. His supporters and all of us should be outraged that Debbie Wasserman Schultz and convention officials have kowtowed not only to the corporate wing of their own party but also to those high rollers who back the opposition and ideas antithetical to a democracy.

Rep. Wasserman Schultz is facing a primary challenge for the first time this year, her opponent a law professor, activist and progressive Sanders supporter named Tim Canova. But the primary’s not until late August, long after the Democratic National Convention. Unless she steps down now or Hillary Clinton has her removed, Philadelphia will be dominated by someone who represents everything that has gone wrong with the Democratic Party and Washington. At the convention’s opening session, Debbie Wasserman Schultz will be bringing the gavel down squarely on progressive hopes of returning the party to its legacy as champion of working people and the dispossessed.

We’ve said it before and we’ll say it again: Time for her to go.

  

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174. "Bernie's gone rouge. Setting up debate with Trump (swipe)"
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Clinton needs to bring him to heel.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-tells-kimmel-hed-be-willing-to-debate-sanders-for-charity/

Before hitting a private fundraiser in Los Angeles, Donald Trump taped a guest appearance on ABC's "Jimmy Kimmel Live," where he fielded questions from the late-night host on a range of topics -- including transgender bathrooms, and whether he'd debate Bernie Sanders.

Kimmel asked Trump if he'd be willing to debate Sanders, given that Hillary Clinton had turned her primary opponent down for a California debate. Trump declared he would -- as long as the proceeds go to charity.

As he accepted the hypothetical debate, Trump asked, perhaps jokingly, how much Sanders would be willing to pay him -- for charity -- then conceded that it would be fine if a network were willing to put up the money. Trump also said he has never met Sanders.

Sanders took to Twitter right away with his response:
"Game on. I look forward to debating Donald Trump in California before the June 7 primary."

There was no immediate reaction from the Clinton campaign.

In addition to debate talk, Kimmel persisted in trying to get Trump to disclose his personal opinion about what the policy should be on transgender bathrooms. When North Carolina passed a law requiring people to use bathrooms corresponding to the gender assignments they were born with, Trump seemed to of the opinion that North Carolina should have just left well enough alone, noting that the move could hurt businesses in the state.

Within days, though, Trump had come around to the stance that states should decide, which he reiterated more than once on the show, saying more than once a variation on "I say let the states decide."

Asked what he thought "the right thing" was, Trump said, "I don't know yet...Honestly, I don't know."

Kimmel tried again.

"Would you say though, if you were voting personally or a member of New York state, you would vote for the - that right," Kimmel asked.

" party generally believes what whatever you're born , that's the bathroom you use," responded Trump.

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175. "Y'know.....I'd actually believe that Bernie is being genuine here."
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The signs are already there. Trump is gonna absolutely destroy Clinton. And it's so unfair...but it's an undeniable truth. Trump will win with innuendo, characterization and anti-intellectualism. None of those three tactics will work as effectively on Bernie. I'd contend that Bernie is basically the only way there's even a chance of avoiding a Trump presidency. I'm not sure if Bernie would win....but i KNOW Hillary won't.

  

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176. "damn u relapse again?"
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177. "I like it"
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Hillary wants to pivot to the general election, well two can play that game. Ha!

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178. "^^^^^^^^^^^^^"
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181. "Bernie trying to get his Reggie Miller at MSG on..."
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179. "fearless. show em how it's done!"
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180. "Bernie never backs down from a debate"
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but it doesnt look like he set it up.

Kimmel trying to get shit popping.

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188. "So much for that. Trump says Bernie has to pay $10 million to debate"
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Chickenshit on Trump's part, but what else is new?

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195. "a bernie debate with trump will only help hillary...."
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hes going to expose trump in front of america and hillary will use all that shit in the general....they wont be attacking hillary that night...

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182. "SMH@Elizabeth Warren playing the role of Trump Troll"
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SMH, I thought she was better than this.

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183. "I see what she's doing"
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Because the democratic primary is going strong still, she's trying to run interference for the Dems. I think it's cool that she's doing something of worth and establishing her face, name, and politics for the public. I remember learning about her when she was an expert in the credit industry documentary "Maxed Out". She's come a long way.

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184. "Trump keeps calling her Pocahontas"
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cause she claimed she was Native American back in the day. Any truth to this?

I like Warren and remember the whole NA accusations but didnt care to dig cause it sounded crazy.

This dude Trump about to joke his way into the WH. He finds whatever flaw, rumor, scandal a person has and just hits thek over the head with it over and over until it sticks.

He prolly wont throw out any policies durong these debates. smh...

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185. "She claims Cherokee roots, yes it's true, and this is why I'm SMH"
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continuing to troll trump is deflecting from the issues

also

as somebody alluded to early on

I doubt Elizabeth Warren is above reproach

you roll around in the mud, you're gonna get dirty.

The 'moneygrubber' comment was very Palinesque

in the supposed Tea Party equivalency, wouldn't she be Palin?

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186. "That was actually funny lol"
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Reporter asked about Warren. Trump responds "Who, Pocahontas?"
Someone in the crowd yells "That's very offensive!"

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189. "Trump is a funny guy"
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and he uses humor to avoid talking about the issues or going in depth on policies.

..and who doesn't like political humor?

his base eats this stuff up

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187. "She claimed Cherokee roots based on stories from relatives"
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Those kinds of claims are very common among people across this country.

In college, I had a longtime GF who was native (she was born on the reservation and lived there til she was a young teenager). She got excited because there was a new Native American group on campus. She went and came back pissed. She said it was a bunch of blond haired, blue eyed kids whose great-great grandmother was 1/64 native, based on their family lore.

From what I've seen, Warren's case falls under that umbrella. I never heard anything saying she used it to gain any type of advantages or affirmative action. Whatever she was claiming wasn't even enough to be considered for tribal membership.

  

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190. "I know she put it in her profile while at Harvard"
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just seems odd to claim if you can't back it up.

calling her pocahontas is hilarious

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197. "So basically Trump is a rapper "
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191. "shes doing what the media shoulda done 8 months ago"
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calling out the lies and BS


what is she not discussing?



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192. "RE: what is she not discussing?"
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the issues.

she's adding fuel to the 24/7 trump news cycle

campaign finance reform
income inequality
I'm sure there's still lead in Flint's water
criminal justice reform (folks are still dying)

just strikes me as odd that the darling of the progressive movement

is going full troll

Trump looks like an idiot when you question him on policy

everything else is an easy deflection, and fodder for a quick comeback

= further deflection from the issues.

you follow?

they're playing the game on his terms

and nothing that's coming to light is new information, btw

Elizabeth Warren is doing press conferences calling Trump names

wasn't this what all of the pearl clutching was about IRT the GOP candidates doing the same thing?

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193. "^^^"
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194. "She stays hitting Republicans on things that also describe HRC"
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196. "yeah, it's been said from jump HRC would be considered a moderate"
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Republican

but because the Rs have moved SO far right

she can appear to be left

very odd that Warren is sacrificing herself to jump in front of the Trump train

when as you said, HRC doesn't align with what I thought were her political beliefs

I mean she was the reply to the HRC meme, show me an example of $$$ compromising my politics

how quickly we forget I guess

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200. "Scott Adams was on Bill Maher last night."
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He's the creator of 'Dilbert' cartoons.

This probably deserves it's own post...bu if you are shocked or surprised by Trump's continued success than you need to read his blog entries. The best explanations I have heard for what's happening:

http://blog.dilbert.com/

I've been a little disappointed with the analysis of Trump's rise but this guy gets it and has been calling Trump's presidency since the beginning of the nomination process.

  

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201. "scott adams is kinda of full of shit but he gets white dudes who are ful..."
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the bigger story from maher last night was how much of an ass wayne allyn root was.

  

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202. "lol"
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did you bother to actually read any of it....or are we just gonna throw around characterizations?

Did YOU predict Trump would win the nomination?

If you wanna beat Trump you have to understand why he's been so successful. And that's infinitely more important than establishing that Wayne Root or whoever the hell that was is an asshole.

  

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203. "that's a weird response. adams is definitely full of shit"
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there's no substance behind adam's punditry on this...the man doesn't care about politics outside of generating an audience for himself AND he makes a living out of finding humor in disaffected white dudes in the world place.

scott adams says he does not vote. he makes no strong takes on any political positions because he makes money off of throwing out thought pieces on blogs. he has led a privileged enough life that there have never been stakes for him in participating in democracy. yet he constantly writes about politics because people eat it up. so of course he predicted trump.

https://brucelynnblog.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/dilbert-dogbert-for-president-3.jpg

of fucking course he predicted trump. and he got lucky.

he's a personification of the trump bandwagon from BOTH the libertarian and the alt-media angles. but that doesn't mean he understands what's going on any more than a remora understands how sharks fit into an ecosystem. all remoras know is that it's easy to fill up on shark shit.

(for an example of how totally wrong and full of shit he often is, take a look at http://blog.dilbert.com/post/102964867891/firing-offense or http://blog.dilbert.com/post/102881545031/pegs-and-holes ....of fucking course he predicted trump.)

  

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204. "I'm interested in why Trump is winning."
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Not in what identity politics you think make an opinion legitimate or illegitimate. Everyone gets to vote whether you think they have a legitimate voice or not. So dividing people up in that way really isn't fruitful if you want to beat Trump.

  

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205. "trump is winning because the conversation is solely about him winning"
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and trump might win the presidency because our system guarantees he gets 45% of the vote and only has to worry about winning another few percent or denying hillary those voters.

at this point in the election, the mechanism for his support is structural. it's not about any opinion or perspective trump has. even if scott adams were sincerely helping us understand why trump beat rubio (and he is not), that is irrelevant to the next phase of the election.

the way to beat him is to focus on the legitimacy or illegitimacy of his ideas, not being suckered into fawning over his salesmanship.

looking for substance from another salesman who sees that he can get in on a secondary market is only moving us even further from your target. scott adams isn't interested in explaining reality. he's selling narratives.

http://scienceblogs.com/dispatches/2007/03/21/scott-adams-intellectual-disho/

http://www.insolitology.com/rloddities/dilbert.htm

  

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206. "ITS A WRAP FELLAS"
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