50. "RE: That's been an overall observation of the middle and upper classes" In response to Reply # 1
Yep; case closed.
More affluent people all over the globe have fewer kids than the less well off.
I'm obviously generalizing but....
For folks with more resources having a child is a conscious lifestyle choice.
For others, having a kid either is another pair of working hands to pitch in (in a lot of the less developed world) or a less than thoroughly thought-out pregnancy that puts additional strain on an already tenuous socioeconomic situation.
4. "RE: a black man once told me that black people are diluting their race" In response to Reply # 0 Mon Apr-25-16 12:40 PM by MEAT
If ask him if he has any data that shows correlation between successful people having successful progeny. That's where I'd start with that conversation if I was unlucky enough to find myself in it.
If every two successful black peoples have one child that has an x percentage potential to be successful themselves.
Weighted against two not so successful black people who have y number of children each with a z percentage chance of being successful themselves.
I think each group has their value to this generation and the ones after.
------ “There is no fate that cannot be surmounted by scorn.” -Albert Camus
5. "uuuummmmm" In response to Reply # 4 Mon Apr-25-16 12:41 PM by Buddy_Gilapagos
If ask him if he has any data that shows correlation between successful people having successful progeny. That's where I'd start with that conversation if I was unlucky enough to find myself in it.
34. "RE: What do we know about human history?" In response to Reply # 20 Mon Apr-25-16 01:25 PM by MEAT
We know that African Americans are relatively new in human history.
We know that there have been actual dilution of races to the point of extinction due to small population sizes (amongst other things) .. I.e. The arayans or the native Americans.
We know that strength in groups is found in resource demands
We know that while certain traits are more predictable towards success that there's no guarantee.
All of which tells us that focusing on dilution of our race through the lens of quality over quantity, implies that quality as a measure of strength/value is more beneficial to the long term health of our race than quantity; to which I disagree.
The only way to have "better" African Americans is for there to be more and with this being our only country and direct resource pool, we should take adavantage of that.
------ “There is no fate that cannot be surmounted by scorn.” -Albert Camus
legsdiamond Member since May 05th 2011 79554 posts
Mon Apr-25-16 12:43 PM
7. "I think this is true regardless of color" In response to Reply # 0
**************** TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*
13. " How many more kids can the average "financially secure" family have " In response to Reply # 0
And remain financially secure? I don't have the financial or emotional resources for two more children. Even if money weren't an issue, my children wouldn't get the same level of individual attention they get now.
yall just gotta understand, for ME, when someone says something like that, i take it personally as if somehow i've failed my children by having too many of them...this is a widespread view in this society, whereas we were once a society that celebrated and raised big families with pride
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30. "JF said nothing you should take personal." In response to Reply # 28
You seem to concede that more children can jeopardize financial security, which was his point. And then he talked about his own preference for his family. You're not implicated in any of that.
35. "i'm offended by the general idea that money should..." In response to Reply # 30
limit the size of one's family
i don't begrudge any individual for making their own personal choice on the matter but, again, i've seen and experienced enough antipathy towards the idea of a large family in this day and age to take personal offense to the idea that it's some sort of destructive choice to MY CHILDREN...
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32. "everybody aint built for 5 kids, God bless those that are." In response to Reply # 28
for JF and many others, two is about it. do i think JF would be able to *handle* more if he were put in that situation? absolutely. families are personal and we make our choices based on what works best for the family. don't be so sensitive, because he said nothing about you not being able to properly take care of your kids, he made a statement about his family.
46. "it's funny & a bit hypocritical because I finally came around..." In response to Reply # 43
To accepting I needed to do it while watching my 5 kids all run around playing in the same room...like "uh, yeah...this is enough now, gotta take action"
________________________________________________________________ whenever you did these things to the least of my brothers you did them to me
29. " I'm sure he checks all five kids homework " In response to Reply # 26
And shows up and all five of those kids sporting events and performances. And cooks them all healthy, balanced meals every day. This nigga is Ma fucking Walton.
31. "yo, fuck you dude..." In response to Reply # 29 Mon Apr-25-16 01:27 PM by philpot
edit:
i grew up with just me and one sister
i only had TWO cousins
so my & my wife alone have more kids than the entire previous generation had...i'm proud of that, i want my legacy to live on
and guess what? no one checked my homework either, and when my oldest brought home D's earlier this year i had a talk with him and he brought the grades up almost immediately based just off of how i communicated with him about the importance EYE place on doing well in school and the confidence i had in HIM that he was absolutely capable and smart enough to do MUCH better
________________________________________________________________ whenever you did these things to the least of my brothers you did them to me
38. "Right. The jump from one to two kids was HUGE for us." In response to Reply # 13
Just in terms of the cost for childcare with both my wife and I having full time jobs is crazy. The baby's daycare cost is way more than our mortgage. Our 7 year old goes to before and after school care and that's pretty high as well.
And that's not even getting into all of the other expenses. There's no way we could afford a third kid.
legsdiamond Member since May 05th 2011 79554 posts
Mon Apr-25-16 01:41 PM
42. "I have to agree with this" In response to Reply # 39 Mon Apr-25-16 01:43 PM by legsdiamond
That being said, I only have 1 kid and money is tight. right now we aren't doing the daycare thing because it doesn't make sense financially plus we want our kid to be raised by us and not a stranger.
If my wife gets a full time college gig then we will entertain daycare. Hell, I would probably quit my job and stay home with the baby and get a little work from home side hustle.
We really aren't big on other people raising our baby even if it means selling a car, cutting back on cable and other luxuries.
We are thinking about a second kid but I'm not sure we could do more than 2 because we waited/sttuggled to have the first kid.
edit: hold up, I have no idea what another man's pockets are like to say they could afford another kid. They know better than me what they can afford/handle
**************** TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*
44. "And being able to and affording to are two different things. " In response to Reply # 42 Mon Apr-25-16 01:46 PM by MEAT
Like some folks can afford a Benz, but if they get it can't put gas in it. Someone may be able afford another child for right now, but unable to help that extra child ten years down the road. It's a silly premise, clamoring about affordability, without defining long term goals and honestly seems myopic and a bit selfish.
------ “There is no fate that cannot be surmounted by scorn.” -Albert Camus
21. "Bebe's kids don't die..." In response to Reply # 0
first this sounds extremely condescending and dismissive of the Black poor/lower middle class in this country...it's a trend i've noticed as certain groups and prominent Black figures have embraced capitalism with the fervor of a right winger (while, of course, still relying on the cultural markers of "the hood" to legitimize their "Blackness")
second...do folks not understand why POOR people have children at a higher clip than those who "made it"? it's a basic survival mechanism...communities and cultures that are under attack by socioeconomic forces will reproduce at a higher rate so that their community and culture survives...i imagine this used to be true for a much larger (and less "poor") segment of the Black american population
but yeah, Bebe's kids don't die, they multiply...it's why the only Medicaid available to poor childless adults in the state of Virginia is family planning services...there are active measures to control the population of poor folks but the people, IMO, are simply too strong to be held back and they will survive...
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