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Vex_id
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"Saudi Arabia threatens U.S. if Congress passes 9/11 Bill (NYT)"


          

You thought the 9/11 Investigation was over? Think again.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/16/world/middleeast/saudi-arabia-warns-ofeconomic-fallout-if-congress-passes-9-11-bill.html?_r=0

WASHINGTON — Saudi Arabia has told the Obama administration and members of Congress that it will sell off hundreds of billions of dollars’ worth of American assets held by the kingdom if Congress passes a bill that would allow the Saudi government to be held responsible in American courts for any role in the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks.

The Obama administration has lobbied Congress to block the bill’s passage, according to administration officials and congressional aides from both parties, and the Saudi threats have been the subject of intense discussions in recent weeks between lawmakers and officials from the State Department and the Pentagon. The officials have warned senators of diplomatic and economic fallout from the legislation.

Adel al-Jubeir, the Saudi foreign minister, delivered the kingdom’s message personally last month during a trip to Washington, telling lawmakers that Saudi Arabia would be forced to sell up to $750 billion in treasury securities and other assets in the United States before they could be in danger of being frozen by American courts.

Several outside economists are skeptical that the Saudis will follow through, saying that such a sell-off would be difficult to execute and would end up crippling the kingdom’s economy. But the threat is another sign of the escalating tensions between Saudi Arabia and the United States.

The administration, which argues that the legislation would put Americans at legal risk overseas, has been lobbying so intently against the bill that some lawmakers and families of Sept. 11 victims are infuriated. In their view, the Obama administration has consistently sided with the kingdom and has thwarted their efforts to learn what they believe to be the truth about the role some Saudi officials played in the terrorist plot.

“It’s stunning to think that our government would back the Saudis over its own citizens,” said Mindy Kleinberg, whose husband died in the World Trade Center on Sept. 11 and who is part of a group of victims’ family members pushing for the legislation.

President Obama will arrive in Riyadh on Wednesday for meetings with King Salman and other Saudi officials. It is unclear whether the dispute over the Sept. 11 legislation will be on the agenda for the talks.

Saudi officials have long denied that the kingdom had any role in the Sept. 11 plot, and the 9/11 Commission found “no evidence that the Saudi government as an institution or senior Saudi officials individually funded the organization.” But critics have noted that the commission’s narrow wording left open the possibility that less senior officials or parts of the Saudi government could have played a role. Suspicions have lingered, partly because of the conclusions of a 2002 congressional inquiry into the attacks that cited some evidence that Saudi officials living in the United States at the time had a hand in the plot.

Those conclusions, contained in 28 pages of the report, still have not been released publicly.

The dispute comes as bipartisan criticism is growing in Congress about Washington’s alliance with Saudi Arabia, for decades a crucial American ally in the Middle East and half of a partnership that once received little scrutiny from lawmakers. Last week, two senators introduced a resolution that would put restrictions on American arms sales to Saudi Arabia, which have expanded during the Obama administration.

Families of the Sept. 11 victims have used the courts to try to hold members of the Saudi royal family, Saudi banks and charities liable because of what the plaintiffs charged was Saudi financial support for terrorism. These efforts have largely been stymied, in part because of a 1976 law that gives foreign nations some immunity from lawsuits in American courts.

The Senate bill is intended to make clear that the immunity given to foreign nations under the law should not apply in cases where nations are found culpable for terrorist attacks that kill Americans on United States soil. If the bill were to pass both houses of Congress and be signed by the president, it could clear a path for the role of the Saudi government to be examined in the Sept. 11 lawsuits.

  

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Those conclusions, contained in 28 pages of the report, still have not
Apr 17th 2016
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meanwhile the oil/fracking games continue, and subsidies running low
Apr 18th 2016
2
huh? the Saudi's cash reserves will run out in 5 years...
Apr 18th 2016
4
      yea they want to limit production worlwide so prices go back up
Apr 18th 2016
5
RE: Saudi Arabia threatens U.S. if Congress passes 9/11 Bill (NYT)
Apr 18th 2016
3
The Ever More Complicated Relationship with Saudi Arabia (Atlantic)
Apr 18th 2016
6
*US Congress removes earrings*
Apr 18th 2016
7
anybody watch the last Frontline ep on Saudi Arabia?
Apr 18th 2016
8
Yup. The end is in sight.
Apr 18th 2016
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Yes - great reporting.
Apr 18th 2016
10
Excellent PBS Frontline undercover documentary on KSA
Apr 23rd 2016
11
Obama arrives in Saudi Arabia with chilly reception (via Guardian)
Apr 23rd 2016
12
Oh but the military fights for our freedom
Apr 24th 2016
13
Maher & Wright on the 28 pages; Saudi Arabia (via HBO)
Apr 24th 2016
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bentagain
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1. "Those conclusions, contained in 28 pages of the report, still have not"
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been released publicly.

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If you can't understand it without an explanation

you can't understand it with an explanation

  

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Riot
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Mon Apr-18-16 12:12 PM

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2. "meanwhile the oil/fracking games continue, and subsidies running low"
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i read there was 5 yrs of reserves left if prices stay in this range


so if the public stops getting their oil-backed hush money to look the other way on all the rest of the sauds dirt, wonder what happens then...



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legsdiamond
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Mon Apr-18-16 12:26 PM

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4. "huh? the Saudi's cash reserves will run out in 5 years..."
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if prices remain this low.

Is this what you are talking about?


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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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Riot
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5. "yea they want to limit production worlwide so prices go back up"
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but if everyone doesnt follow their lead, they will flood the market instead so everybody gets pinched... assuming everybody else will go broke before they will

but even if they follow that plan, they end up squeezing their own citizens in the meantime


the 911 culpability shtt is basically just a group of dirtbags that want to keep up their image of being pious rulers of a holy land

bin laden was a saudi



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bunda
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murph71
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Mon Apr-18-16 12:19 PM

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3. "RE: Saudi Arabia threatens U.S. if Congress passes 9/11 Bill (NYT)"
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No more walking around on egg shells.....Wow...

GOAT of his era......long live Prince.....God is alive....

  

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Vex_id
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6. "The Ever More Complicated Relationship with Saudi Arabia (Atlantic)"
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http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2016/04/saudi-arabia-911-bill-congress/478689/

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7. "*US Congress removes earrings*"
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*Sanders takes off his shoes*
*Clinton pulls her back in a ponytail*
*President Obama tells Saudis to hol' up - let's talk first*
*Sec Kerry calls the police*

fuck you.

  

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Amritsar
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Mon Apr-18-16 05:58 PM

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8. "anybody watch the last Frontline ep on Saudi Arabia? "
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them dudes are in trouble man

  

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9. "Yup. The end is in sight. "
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10. "Yes - great reporting. "
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60 Minutes just ran a special featuring Bob Graham and other elected officials who are demanding the declassification of the 28 pages - pages that they say implicate Saudi Arabia (and other nations/intelligence agencies) in the 9/11 plot.

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11. "Excellent PBS Frontline undercover documentary on KSA"
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rknrxzuW8Lg

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Vex_id
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12. "Obama arrives in Saudi Arabia with chilly reception (via Guardian)"
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http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/apr/20/barack-obama-saudi-arabia-visit-king-salman-relationship

I really need to see Obama's administration do more to both challenge and distance themselves from the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia. Unfortunately - it appears that the next administration will continue our unethical relationship with Saudi Arabia, despite some tensions brewing.

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Jon
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13. "Oh but the military fights for our freedom"
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14. "Maher & Wright on the 28 pages; Saudi Arabia (via HBO)"
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EKqP15IQHHc

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