I said it.

Act like if the nigga was alive today we wouldn't be clowning his ass right now.

Shit.

Now that he dead, e'rybody wanna talk about him like, "MIKE DA GAWD!" but we know y'all though that nigga was crazier than fish tits.

Say I'm lyin'.


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so we can go back to loving our older image of him instead of what had he become.


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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

Known all over the world as the king of pop.

He really needed death to up those sales.

Makes perfect sense.


on sabbatical.

does it really matter?

wonder what bin's doing?
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Everything looks like Oprah kissing Harvey Weinstein these days

If someone is alive and currently wasting away in obscurity or a social pariah, we give less weight to earlier periods of greatness. Once you're dead all the periods of your life are weighed against each other and the most relevant portions define you.

Many people have become tabloid fixtures and easy targets for late night monologues, but only Michael made Thriller.

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and yeah I hope Haunts the skin off your behind for that stupid butt post dumb turkey. i never believed that media hate on the man
and how the devils of the industry were trying to take him down,

yeah he had issues but who in hollywood ain't got them? also he was sharp as well,

the man was the Greatest Artist ever with all due respect to Stevie Wonder in ears and eyes and a few others i might give high ranking to, but ain't never been or gonna be another Michael Joe Jackson,

i always been down with the King Of Music, please don't insult MJ fans with this crappy thread.

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you know, while he was alive

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"The world is before you and you need not take it or leave it as it was when you came in." - James Baldwin

http://themichaeljacksonarchives.tumblr.com/

i mean he only sold around 350-400 million records and owned the catalog of the biggest selling group in the history of music, who sold 600 million records.

If you did, you missed every ounce of context.

that said it boosted his career....followed by the post that implied him dying lessened how "crazy" people remember him being....like he wasnt always weird waaaaaay before he died and it somehow hurt his career

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"The world is before you and you need not take it or leave it as it was when you came in." - James Baldwin

Conversely, you're a little obtuse.

Pretty sure you just created your own "overaching point" out of it. But i'll let you create obtrusively.

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"The world is before you and you need not take it or leave it as it was when you came in." - James Baldwin

But we are always willing to look the other way when its a beloved celebrity....Hell, death skyrockets the earning power of most celebrities....Look at Jimi Hendrix and Marilyn Monroe....Their estates saw their monetary worth and popularity EXPLODE to an entirely different level....Hell, Amy Winehouse has now taken on a more mythic status...

But the case with MJ only differs because at his peak dude was the most famous man on the planet....Literally....

So the same artist that was forced to do comeback shows and leverage part of Beatles catalogue in order to stay out of the red (I really believe those This Is It shows killed him), when he leaves us it's only mildly shocking that since his death Mike's estate has pulled in nearly 1 BILLION DOLLARS....

Because after all, Michael Jackson was at a point the biggest entertainer this world has even seen....It's only right.....

GOAT of his era......long live Prince.....God is alive....

Michael Jackson was killed beyond that tour, them WHite devils in that business never wanted a Black Man with that kind of Pull and Power. and MJ told the truth Jack. ask yourself why Tommy Mottola got fired and you know he was Mafia.

also MJ had his demons like we all do, however the brother was still the standard period. and he knew it. that thriller remix cornball project did 3 million copies in 08 and his back catelog still sold,

i was glad he owned the Mop Heads songs and if he wanted to use them as toliet paper than cool, MJ was Gangsta and he was always money.

sad part is that between Family and Industry the Man was treated as a ATM machine and not just as a regular cat.

but lets be real after his death it feels as if half of Music died with him. and their is a big ole hole without him.

he was a standard and all acts living in R&B, Hip Hop and Pop Music owe a Debt to the King of Music.

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Huh? U mean James Brown? Curtis Mayfield? John Lennon? Rakim? Miles Davis? George Clinton? Joni Mitchell? David Bowie? Kendrick Lamar? Prince?

I champion quite a few artists, homie...And they have all had issues....Some issues more tragic than others....

What's your point?

GOAT of his era......long live Prince.....God is alive....

none of those cats been on Michael Jackson's level and we all know you swing on that purple Kool Aid Bowl. yeah i digs other artists as well, but we know whose fruit punch you slurp straw and non straw

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>none of those cats been on Michael Jackson's level and we all
>know you swing on that purple Kool Aid Bowl. yeah i digs other
>artists as well, but we know whose fruit punch you slurp straw
>and non straw

It's apples and oranges...Some artists r Disney...Some r Scorsese....

I don't judge artists on popularity contests....Miles Davis sold less than a fraction of what MJ sold, but I (my opinion) believe he had a more important musical impact....

That's just me...We can all agree to disagree on that one.....

GOAT of his era......long live Prince.....God is alive....

FYI i'm a huge MILes fan as well all the music, books,etc.. and musically to a degree,however its subjective because Satcho Louis Armstrong double him as a trumpet player and also as a vocalist.

i loved Miles and all the bands and concepts. but MJ was on a whole different level and it don't matter how you present this or that if you got the songs and that "IT" well that is that. and Miles did cover "human Nature" in his shows and he did give MJ respect.

i can say without a doubt that more genres of Music have cited Michael Jackson more so than Miles, however Miles was something else and arguably even more important as band leader and concepts than for his trumpet playing, because on the real Clifford Brown had him on the ropes until that accident.


for a long time with me it was MJ and MD and some folks who know me already knew.

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>But we are always willing to look the other way when its a
>beloved celebrity....Hell, death skyrockets the earning power
>of most celebrities....Look at Jimi Hendrix and Marilyn
>Monroe....Their estates saw their monetary worth and
>popularity EXPLODE to an entirely different level....Hell, Amy
>Winehouse has now taken on a more mythic status...
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>But the case with MJ only differs because at his peak dude was
>the most famous man on the planet....Literally....
>
>So the same artist that was forced to do comeback shows and
>leverage part of Beatles catalogue in order to stay out of the
>red (I really believe those This Is It shows killed him), when
>he leaves us it's only mildly shocking that since his death
>Mike's estate has pulled in nearly 1 BILLION DOLLARS....
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>Because after all, Michael Jackson was at a point the biggest
>entertainer this world has even seen....It's only right.....
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If he stayed with his Bros he would have never became MICHAEL JACKSON.....

Mike's problems were deeper than him sticking with his brothers......There were some deep rooted issues happening....Towards the end of his life he did't have enough people on his team that didn't care enough about him to not look at him as a paycheck....

GOAT of his era......long live Prince.....God is alive....

Yeah he would have become Michael jackson (but not at the bs cost it did sans family)

if he stayed with his brothers, he wouldnt have went as far off the rails he did


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>If he stayed with his Bros he would have never became MICHAEL
>JACKSON.....
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>Mike's problems were deeper than him sticking with his
>brothers......There were some deep rooted issues
>happening....Towards the end of his life he did't have enough
>people on his team that didn't care enough about him to not
>look at him as a paycheck....

>Yeah he would have become Michael jackson (but not at the bs
>cost it did sans family)
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>if he stayed with his brothers, he wouldnt have went as far
>off the rails he did


Nah...Being a part of the Jackson 5/Jacksons limited Mike's potential...His issues would have surfaced any way u sliced it...

GOAT of his era......long live Prince.....God is alive....

>>Yeah he would have become Michael jackson (but not at the
>bs
>>cost it did sans family)
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>>if he stayed with his brothers, he wouldnt have went as far
>>off the rails he did
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>Nah...Being a part of the Jackson 5/Jacksons limited Mike's
>potential...His issues would have surfaced any way u sliced
>it...

Nah he wouldnt have been wrapped up in those kid allegations for one..no sleep chamber madness etc bs either...

he'd have dealt with the physical pain of his head surgery more adequately imho

staying with th fma would hve kept him more grounded

not saying he still didnt or wouldnt have issues

It's somewhat complicated. When you have "friends", family, and associates who aren't very trustworthy, that's a problem


MJ's issues were heightened from being so famous and not having the right people in his corner after 1991



http://themichaeljacksonarchives.tumblr.com/

>It's somewhat complicated. When you have "friends", family,
>and associates who aren't very trustworthy, that's a problem
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>MJ's issues were heightened from being so famous and not
>having the right people in his corner after 1991

It's ALL a problem.....But Mike was only human....The dude went through some hell....

GOAT of his era......long live Prince.....God is alive....

http://themichaeljacksonarchives.tumblr.com/

doesnt mean he'd end up broke etc exactly

he could still have shrewd business acumen if he still did solo and family records/tours


>It's somewhat complicated. When you have "friends", family,
>and associates who aren't very trustworthy, that's a problem
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>MJ's issues were heightened from being so famous and not
>having the right people in his corner after 1991
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>http://themichaeljacksonarchives.tumblr.com/

He didn't have any intention to never work with his brothers again but after Victory, there was a creative rift with some of them (not to mention Jermaine's subtle jabs leading up to Word To The Badd)

I also feel he should've collaborated with his siblings on projects after '84 but considering the circumstances and the fact that anytime he DID agree to it, there was some drama in the wings (the Moonies situation, Jackson Family Honors, the Humanity album)

http://themichaeljacksonarchives.tumblr.com/

only true MJ fans know the deal and its common knowledge that MJ was seen and used as a ATM Machine by his own family..

he had to break solo period and turkey keep your tmz garbage on the side of the road, MJ was framed and nothing was their

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and they looked at him as MJ and not their brother i know that on good authority and i'm talking about his 05 case trial.

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>and they looked at him as MJ and not their brother i know
>that on good authority and i'm talking about his 05 case
>trial.


by 2005 he WASN'T their brother

and he never connected with them all as just one of the boys.

it was a starstruck thing going on their.

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broke and been homeless and probably forced to do peanut gigs with voice and piano,

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You think he had few people with his best interests at heart when he died?

Had he kept those fools close to him they'd have enabled his whims to a far worse degree and if/when his health declined? There might not be an estate left right today.

Everything I've ever read on the subject (including the book Untouchable) suggests he was treated like little more than a meal ticket. They saw him the way a seedy agent or record exec would have. Not as a brother they sincerely loved.

>You think he had few people with his best interests at heart
>when he died?
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>Had he kept those fools close to him they'd have enabled his
>whims to a far worse degree and if/when his health declined?
>There might not be an estate left right today.
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>Everything I've ever read on the subject (including the book
>Untouchable) suggests he was treated like little more than a
>meal ticket. They saw him the way a seedy agent or record exec
>would have. Not as a brother they sincerely loved.
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>Had he kept those fools close to him they'd have enabled his
>whims

I dont believe that.

I made a post about all this before and it seems everyone has their stance so I will leave it at that

This stance is rooted in information that's widely known, consistent and easily researched.

There's very little to suggest he'd have been better off staying closer to a family that was more concerned about how HIS success impacted THEIR success.

And really, that's the only reason anyone takes the stance you're taking: people wanted Mike to prop up the Jackson Five at the expense of himself. People wanted Mike to stay close for the benefit of his brothers, not because that would have been a benefit to Mike.

MJ was restricted because of being loyal to wolves and also Religion and their was politics within the politics at home and not even talking about the industry,

so he broke free of those chains

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>(I really believe those This Is It shows killed him)

naw.

if not for Dr. Murray's outrageous negligence in administering propofol under substandard conditions and then failing to monitor MJ every minute while he was knocked out from the propofol then MJ would've survived. after seeing the This Is It movie i disbelieve reports that he was in frail condition and ill health around the time he died. or and i'm not convinced that he couldn't have performed. also i believe anyone would've died if faced w/the set of circumstances that lead to MJ's death. it wasn't about the shows, IMO.

fuck you.

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>if not for Dr. Murray's outrageous negligence in administering
>propofol under substandard conditions and then failing to
>monitor MJ every minute while he was knocked out from the
>propofol then MJ would've survived. after seeing the This Is
>It movie i disbelieve reports that he was in frail condition
>and ill health around the time he died. or and i'm not
>convinced that he couldn't have performed. also i believe
>anyone would've died if faced w/the set of circumstances that
>lead to MJ's death. it wasn't about the shows, IMO.

Yes...But from my own interviews and talking with folks who were in his camp, MJ's sleep condition was caused over serious issues connected with his chronic anxiety. The shows were simply too much for him. He had already had issues sleeping (again, I'm getting this from folks who begged him to get rest and postpone those shows). But the This Is It gigs pushed him over the brink. Yep, Dr. Murray negligence played the most tragic part, but the shows added gasoline to the fire....

GOAT of his era......long live Prince.....God is alive....

>Yes...But from my own interviews and talking with folks who
>were in his camp, MJ's sleep condition was caused over serious
>issues connected with his chronic anxiety.

yes but his family and close friends have said he struggled w/insomnia for years - way b4 the This Is It shows were planned. in fact they suspect that's what drew him to propofol - he'd said over the years he'd noticed he got the best 'sleep' when he was knocked out for surgery.

The shows were
>simply too much for him. He had already had issues sleeping
>(again, I'm getting this from folks who begged him to get rest
>and postpone those shows). But the This Is It gigs pushed him
>over the brink. Yep, Dr. Murray negligence played the most
>tragic part, but the shows added gasoline to the fire....

i don't think so. i think Dr. Murray's negligence was the gas and the match.

fuck you.

it was alot of things going on and MJ was feeling the heat. but he also had vultures out for blood as well in that industry.still does.

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i got this.

fuck you.

he was a doctor in H Town and my uncle knows me well, murray got caught holding the bag, this was a fix big time

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looking like a leprechaun on that "Pimp Chronicles" shit.
And Jamie Foxx making up shit about him not being able to
"get out the blocks" for the moonwalk or whatever.
Then when he died, Jamie talkin about "he was ours!"

Paul Mooney said it tho.
A lot of us don't respect our legends like other folks
respect theirs. Everybody comes for ours, including us.

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but where were they when he was alive? to me though and I ain't a big fan of the cat, but Mike Epps sho told the gospel truth about MJ when he said about White Hollywood: he was never embraced fully their.

and he said you saw how they did him. it ain't ours.

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>looking like a leprechaun on that "Pimp Chronicles" shit.

getting that fade from 7th graders in some sad ass public display...

They way I typed it looked like he was saying
MJ looked like one... but yeah he was talking
about MJ and the child molestation allegations,
saying Mike was guilty and "smelling like little
boys' booty holes" and whatnot.


>getting that fade from 7th graders in some sad ass public
>display...


Yeah, Katt ain't having the best of luck these days.

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