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"BHO is playing Chess w/ Supreme Court, while GOP playing checkers"


  

          

So BHO calls GOPs bluff. Sen. Orrin Hatch (R-UT), the longest serving Republican on the Senate Judiciary Committee, says “ could easily name Merrick Garland, who is a fine man,” Hatch told the conservative news site Newsmax, before adding that “he probably won’t do that because this appointment is about the election. So I’m pretty sure he’ll name someone the wants.”


http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2016/03/16/3760727/who-is-merrick-garland/

Soooo then Obama nominates Merrick Garland. What is the GOP suppose to do now?

I think any way you look at it is a win for Obama.

If they stonewall they look like assholes.

If they confirm, BHO gets his nominee and they look like dummies.

Now some could argue that BHO could have gone more to the left, which is the move the GOP expected him to do, but if you play that out two or three moves the likely outcome of that is nominee stonewalled and a good nominee gets dragged through the mud and damaged like Lani Guinier (or Bork if that's your leaning).

And by putting through a moderate there is good reason to believe that he will tack left after going through a hostile process and being appointed by BHO (also historically moderates drift left).

win, win, win.

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yup... but this chess vs checkers shit needs to die
Mar 16th 2016
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RE: yup... but this chess vs checkers shit needs to die
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You love that line LOL
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It's accurate though. The GOP keeps making emotional decisions
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It's accurate but its played out
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They aren't emotional decisions, they are short term moves to
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checkers you should think at least 2-3 moves ahead. Chess 6+
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      lol - touché
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      LOL
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RE: yup... but this chess vs checkers shit needs to die
Mar 16th 2016
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Alonzo ain't die for nothin:
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^^ checkers player in life
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      ^mad because he wanted to use that tired line in every political thread
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           Obama is playing Connect 4 and the GOP is playing connect 2
Mar 18th 2016
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                GOP playing Trouble, Obama is playing Othello
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Mitch McConnell is fucked right now...
Mar 16th 2016
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.
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Know what I wanna see?
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Exactly...
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So you're thinking
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No, the idea is that they are holding out for a Repub to
Mar 16th 2016
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It will be A LOT harder to block a nominee at the start of a term
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a placeholder, if you will
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YES
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I'm disappointed with the pick
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I hope its just a power play
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Why? So that nominee can end up like Lani Guinier?
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I don't give a shit about the "game" of politics. I care about change.
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      How does nominating someone who can't be confirmed...
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           Well it's looking like this dude won't be confirmed sooo...
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                So it's a win for BHO because they look like assholes with no
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                     anyone who is just now seeing this is blind as shit..lol
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Progressives are really overestimating how progressive America is...
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I'm about pushing the country to be more progressive.
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      But they don't want to be more progressive...
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           Nor have we wanted to be more conservative
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                i wouldn't worry too much about it, the issues where he's on record as n...
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Does Sonia Sotomayor pass your purity test?
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      You're a poster that I like. And I think this election cycle has turned ...
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           I was an asshole long before this election cycle.
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           That's a hilarious clarification.
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           maybe. but from what i've seen, it's your approach that's changed
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           strav's approach has been that way though
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                nah he is "our" science dude. he gots the knowlegde and
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                     while that's a fair distinction, i still disagree
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           NAH B, a progressive has many faces and positions
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                Well, the label matters for literally nothing.
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                     It sounds like you're projecting what you don't like about...
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                          No, it's not just his supporters. It's him.
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                               Unlike Hillary's grasp of Reconstruction and AIDS history...
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                                    man, don't even bother, he is in too deep
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                                    I know. It's just that Clinton heads' ability to rationalize...
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                                    Did you even read what I wrote?
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                                         lol...The point is...
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                                              Again, I'm not arguing anything about honesty.
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                                                   I'll grant she's a shrewd tactician, but in the long run
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           You're being a weepy motherfucker in this post right now
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they dont care about looking like a-holes
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GOP has both houses locked and little challenge by DNC
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The Senate will go back Dem Majority. Mark my words.
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BTW, MERRICK GARLAND is an anagram for KENDRICK LAMAR
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lol
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i laughed
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Its not that close at all
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This pick ain't free!!!
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Sure it is. At least ENDRICK LAMAR R.G. (real gansta)
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nice try
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Damn, I was halfway to Facebook before I checked!
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lol
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LMAO
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LOOOL
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LOL!
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1. "yup... but this chess vs checkers shit needs to die"
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4. "RE: yup... but this chess vs checkers shit needs to die"
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Nope...keep it coming...It's a tired cliche I can still get behind....lol

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40. "You love that line LOL"
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I wish it would go away like the poster above.

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5. "It's accurate though. The GOP keeps making emotional decisions"
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that are based on the moment without thinking two or three steps ahead. part of that is because they are somewhat desperate, but in general they have been reactionary and not proactive.

  

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11. "It's accurate but its played out"
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^see what i did there?

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19. "They aren't emotional decisions, they are short term moves to"
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please a dumb base that will vote them out of office if they do anything that seems to possess nuance.


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21. "checkers you should think at least 2-3 moves ahead. Chess 6+"
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So a more accurate analogy would be that Obama is playing checkers while the GOP is playing pin the tail on the donkey.

i still blame hip-hop.

  

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23. "lol - touché"
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Now I have an image of Chuck Grassley, blindfolded and dizzy.

  

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6. "RE: yup... but this chess vs checkers shit needs to die"
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Thank you, glad somebody said it.

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13. "Alonzo ain't die for nothin:"
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22. "^^ checkers player in life"
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34. "^mad because he wanted to use that tired line in every political thread"
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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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67. "Obama is playing Connect 4 and the GOP is playing connect 2"
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69. "GOP playing Trouble, Obama is playing Othello"
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2. "Mitch McConnell is fucked right now... "
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He timed it just right to tie him to the Trump train.

Mitch gotta ask himself who he wants to make a deal with; Obama who has presented him with a reasonable option or a POTUS to be named later that could be Clinton, Trump, or Cruz. Now that there's no "moderate" establishment candidate to potentially play ball with later, Mitch gotta make something happen now.


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3. "."
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7. "Know what I wanna see?"
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If Hillary wins the election, then in the REAL lame-duck session (that is, the months between the election and the inauguration), the Senate Republicans will finally come around and decide Merrick Garland isn't so bad, and that they need to start moving on confirming this fine jurist.

Right then, Obama will pull the nomination back. "Nevermind. The people have spoken, and Hillary needs a chance to make her own nomination." The subtext being, of course, that she will choose someone younger and more liberal.

  

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9. "Exactly..."
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14. "So you're thinking"
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Barack is surmising that Congress will be willing to play ball with Clinton's pick without heavily grilling her and/or the pick? Given the Clinton's history with congressional Republicans, I don't see that going down.

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15. "No, the idea is that they are holding out for a Repub to "
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win the white house. And if they don't, they will then want to give the moderate a second look. At that point Barack can pull back the moderate nominee and Hillary can nominate whoever...and maybe have a dem controlled senate so that she can go further left on the nominee.


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16. "It will be A LOT harder to block a nominee at the start of a term "
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than at the end.

Of course they'll fight it, but it'll be about like the fights over Kagan and Sotomayor.

That is, unless they want to start a real constitutional crisis. And if they go there, none of this makes any difference.

  

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27. "a placeholder, if you will"
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51. "YES"
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>If Hillary wins the election, then in the REAL lame-duck
>session (that is, the months between the election and the
>inauguration), the Senate Republicans will finally come around
>and decide Merrick Garland isn't so bad, and that they need to
>start moving on confirming this fine jurist.
>
>Right then, Obama will pull the nomination back. "Nevermind.
>The people have spoken, and Hillary needs a chance to make her
>own nomination." The subtext being, of course, that she will
>choose someone younger and more liberal.
>

  

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8. "I'm disappointed with the pick"
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He should've went left. He should've went progressive.
But he ain't a progressive.
Sigh.

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12. "I hope its just a power play"
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17. "Why? So that nominee can end up like Lani Guinier? "
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That's just not thinking two steps ahead.



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25. "I don't give a shit about the "game" of politics. I care about change."
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nm

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49. "How does nominating someone who can't be confirmed..."
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affect change though?


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50. "Well it's looking like this dude won't be confirmed sooo..."
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65. "So it's a win for BHO because they look like assholes with no"
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principals and not interested in governing.


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71. "anyone who is just now seeing this is blind as shit..lol "
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18. "Progressives are really overestimating how progressive America is... "
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Like, folks are overlooking the fact that a full third of Americans support Donald Trump and Ted Cruz. You can't just ignore them because you don't agree with them.


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28. "I'm about pushing the country to be more progressive."
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29. "But they don't want to be more progressive... "
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Just because you think it's the right thing to do doesn't mean that it's the thing the people and to do.


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45. "Nor have we wanted to be more conservative"
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when for so long that's how the SC has leaned...

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47. "i wouldn't worry too much about it, the issues where he's on record as n..."
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are exactly the issues where you'd assume someone would drift left on the s.c.

and even if not, we're replacing scalia.

and the biggest selling point, which people need to really wake up on, is that nominating someone else is a good way to bork someone who could otherwise be anominee in a year or two, maybe with a friendly senate.

i assume obama knows what the fuck he's doing.

  

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20. "Does Sonia Sotomayor pass your purity test?"
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The context of the pick matters.

Anyway, there's no need to worry. Barack knows there won't be a confirmation.

  

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26. "You're a poster that I like. And I think this election cycle has turned ..."
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you into an asshole.
I hope it's temporary.

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30. "I was an asshole long before this election cycle. "
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You're just disagreeing with me at the moment.

A progressive isn't a progressive if he can't make anything happen.

  

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43. "That's a hilarious clarification. "
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>You're just disagreeing with me at the moment.



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44. "maybe. but from what i've seen, it's your approach that's changed"
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i could be wrong, but it's not the disagreement that stick out. it's the "purity test" in this here example.

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53. "strav's approach has been that way though"
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Dude's argued his case for hillary/against bernie pretty much in the same way against people in science related posts, or about conspiracy theories, vaccines, etc..

if anything, i'd argue that he's been more balanced and FAR less dismissive in these political posts than he would be on the above topics.

he's just more at odds with the okpopulace with the bernie thing

  

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55. "nah he is "our" science dude. he gots the knowlegde and "
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experience in those posts that really show his intellectual chops as a physicist

but on political discourse, in particular in this election cycle, he comes across as some one who took a polysci 101 class, listens to NPR, MSNBC, (maybe CNN), and thinks he knows the "real" issues and other folk are being emotional, immature, "illogical".

it's very arrogant in it's ignorance, and very western world view paradigm-y in its tone. it's not a good look

  

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59. "while that's a fair distinction, i still disagree"
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with your assessment.

he's already chimed in though, so I'll leave him to it.

  

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54. "NAH B, a progressive has many faces and positions"
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but there are def parameters, ideology, issues, struggles and theory they argue towards and attempt to practice in social, creative and private evirons/situations

that "progressives aint progressive if they can't effect change shit" is some of the most cynical, liberal bullshit I've heard during the melodrama that is this election cycle

you, like Hillary and BHO are not progressives. you are moderate liberals. own it. it's fine. but a progressive you are not

  

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56. "Well, the label matters for literally nothing. "
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I think if you ask most people what the difference is between a liberal and a progressive, at least colloquially in the current political context, they'd say a progressive is a liberal who's too afraid to stand by a label that's been vilified by the right for so many decades. So liberal, progressive, I really don't care. I want us, as a nation, to do the right thing whenever possible. And I honestly think that nominating Bernie Sanders would have been the wrong thing. Not only would he be less likely to win a general election. He would also, simply, not be a very good President. He would give liberals/progressives/Democrats/whatever, a bad name.

As for "progressives need to effect change" being cynical --- maybe. But more importantly, it would seem to be a self-evident fact. Maybe we define the term differently (I guess that's where we started on this), but I would hope that any reasonable definition of "progressive" would involve progress.

Mynoriti mentioned some of my other famous peeves above. Indeed: I mock people relentlessly when they claim to have uncovered new and exciting evidence against evolution or the big bang, or when they claim global warming is a hoax. This asshole behavior naturally aligns me against the irrational forces that drive so much of the conservative movement.

But also: I don't think that my aura gives me supernatural powers, I don't think buying organic, or avoiding GMO, is better for my health or for the environment, I don't think fluoride causes cancer or that vaccines cause autism. There are irrational memes suffusing major segments of the progressive movement. I don't pretend that Bernie Sanders holds any of these views (though I'd bet there are clear statistical correlations among his supporters). My point with all this is simply that liberals are not immune to groupthink, mysticism, or naivite. And it's something we need to fight if we want to avoid splintering into the self-destructive (and generally destructive) state into which the conservative movement has fallen.

As far as I'm concerned, Barack Obama is the finest, most honorable, and most skillful American President since FDR. This isn't because he got Shepard Fairey to make a poster about him, or because he got will.i.am to write a tune about him. And the Obama "hope" movement, while emotionally stirring and extremely helpful in achieving his election, is not what made him effective as a President. It never could, considering that it fizzled almost immediately after the inauguration and left him, only a few years later, with all the rest of the government aligned against him.

Barack Obama has been a great President because he's been precise, strategic, and deeply informed on every issue before he acts. He uncovers maneuvers to bring progressive change even when all the levers of conventional governing are blocked. He makes the right decisions on issues even when it takes time for the rest of the country to understand why it's the right thing. Obviously there are isolated issues on which I would disagree with him and/or his administration, but I respect him because I know that his first priority is to do the right thing and to understand WHY it's the right thing. He is a rational President, first and foremost --- a technocrat. I don't get as much of that feeling from Hillary (though certainly more than I do from her husband). But I get none of that sense about Bernie. I think he says what he says because he thinks it's what a progressive is supposed to say. And I think a lot of his supporters admire him merely because he says what they think a progressive is supposed to say. It is precisely the same kind of mindless groupthink that gives us GMO-free labels, and, yes, the Tea Party.

So that's what I am, that's what I think. I don't know if it would satisfy the judges of liberalism, progressivism, moderation, whatever. But I'm happy to own it.

  

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57. "It sounds like you're projecting what you don't like about..."
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...some Sanders' supporters online, and on this site specifically, onto Sanders himself. Which really isn't accurate.

You can say a lot of things about the man, but to say, "Well, he's only saying this most what he says because it's what it's what a progressive is expected to say" is pretty much b.s. He's been fighting for most of these issues longer than most people on this site have been alive.

I'd say it isn't wise to judgements on the candidate and even his vase because you don't like a few vocal online supporters. Fans of things online can be vocal assholes. Particularly on here. Be it fans of Prince or the Knicks or Chick Fil A. Projecting stuff like, "I bet there's a strong correlation between Bernie supporters and people who think vaccines lead to autism" because you don't get along with them is honestly kinda immature.

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58. "No, it's not just his supporters. It's him. "
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He yells about TARP. He doesn't seem to have put any thought into why TARP was essential for avoiding a depression. He yells about banking regulations, but his only plan is to reinstate rules that were relevant eighty years ago, not to understand why things work differently now. He yells about Citizens United, as any reasonable citizen should. But he hasn't put forward any plan to deal with it, or even to work around it. (Getting lots of small donors for a single campaign doesn't count. As we saw from the Obama movement, the public mood is fickle.) He claims global warming will make the planet uninhabitable within our children's lifetimes, a line that's thrown around every day as a straw man by GW denialists. He calls for a $15/hr national minimum wage, apparently unaware that the very same empirical research that shows increasing the minimum wage would be economically beneficial, also shows that raising it by that much on a nation-wide level would do net harm to workers. He went along with Ron Paul trying to "audit the Fed", despite the fact that the Fed's independence from political interference is essential to its profoundly important work. The list goes on and on.

He's just not a guy who's driven by facts. He's driven by passion. And that's great for speechifying, and even for leading a movement (not that he's had all that much success leading a movement thus far). It's not a good way to run a country.

And just to clarify, my contention is not that he says these things because he thinks they're what progressives want to hear. He really does believe these things, I will definitely give him that. The problem is that he believes these things because he's indoctrinated into a culture in which these things are taken to be true. Say what you will about politicians who "say what the people want to hear." Hillary can definitely be accused of that, as can Barack Obama. But BELIEVING something because you think it's what you're supposed to believe is a far more dangerous instinct.

  

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60. "Unlike Hillary's grasp of Reconstruction and AIDS history..."
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...and her stellar record of truth-telling about Bosnian sniper fire and Saddam's ties to Al-Qaeda.

She is extensively implicated in mass murder, and exemplifies everything that is most cynical and self-serving in American politics.

  

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61. "man, don't even bother, he is in too deep"
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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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63. "I know. It's just that Clinton heads' ability to rationalize..."
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...wicked behavior is as strong as Reaganites at the height of Iran-Contra. They will literally defend anything. I can't let that shit go unchallenged.

  

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64. "Did you even read what I wrote? "
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I wasn't talking about honesty, I even came right out and said Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama are more likely to tell a voter what they want to hear.

But still, Bosnian sniper fire?! You are so mad there must be steam coming out of your ears.

  

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66. "lol...The point is..."
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Your arguments about Sanders' positions on TARP, minimum wage, etc. are debatable, and we could go back and forth citing evidence to support opposing views. His statement about climate change is hyperbolic, although it will make large areas of Bangladesh, the Sahel, etc. uninhabitable in the near future.

But you are implying that Hillary is more honest than Sanders overall, even if she sometimes tells voters what they want to hear. And that's nonsense. Based on her record, there is little reason to believe much of what she says about anything.

  

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70. "Again, I'm not arguing anything about honesty. "
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I'm arguing that Hillary is more rational, and more informed than Bernie, and that that's more important than honesty.

I can see why Bernie supporters love him for his honesty. But that's not the only quality we should look for in a President, or even the leading quality.

  

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72. "I'll grant she's a shrewd tactician, but in the long run"
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...many of her policies are highly irrational. Her aggressive advocacy of regime change, and support for NATO's eastward expansion, haven't made us more secure. Hillary, like Kissinger, is good at maneuvering for power, but in the service of a higher irrationality.

  

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68. "You're being a weepy motherfucker in this post right now"
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10. "they dont care about looking like a-holes"
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as long as they can keep that conservative majority and not have bs rulings like Citizens United challenged and/or overturned.

Honestly i dont blame them for playing blocker when they control both houses.

I would expect a Dem controlled Congress to play hardball with an outgoing Repub President also.

As long as everyone is following the Constitution, alls fair in love an war.

  

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31. "GOP has both houses locked and little challenge by DNC"
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dnp should be pushing the gains of the last 8 yrs in 'making america great(er) now' and how the right has dragged their feet the whole time

framing the argument now to challenge as many gop incumbents and create as large a sizable shift as possible in nov.


ie, they'd actually learn from and try to fix the reason they lost the last midterms




obama may be holding the cards on the SC nomination, but the gop plays the game of politics far better than the dems



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42. "The Senate will go back Dem Majority. Mark my words. "
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"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

  

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32. "BTW, MERRICK GARLAND is an anagram for KENDRICK LAMAR"
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Well close enough.


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"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

  

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33. "lol"
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35. "i laughed"
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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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36. "Its not that close at all"
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i still blame hip-hop.

  

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39. "This pick ain't free!!!"
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I blame hip-hop as well.

"Sean sparks like John Starks, nah, Sean ball like John Wall" - Rest In Power Forever Sean Price.

  

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41. "Sure it is. At least ENDRICK LAMAR R.G. (real gansta)"
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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

  

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37. "nice try"
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lol

  

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38. "Damn, I was halfway to Facebook before I checked!"
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62. "lol"
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-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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46. "LMAO"
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48. "LOOOL"
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52. "LOL!"
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