only reason I say she failed is because she knew this was eventually coming and she still showed her true colors.

When challenged, the real Hillary comes out and it doesn't look good.

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/clinton-black-lives-matter-south-carolina_us_56ce53b1e4b03260bf7580ca

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"if the children are not initiated into the village they will burn it down just to feel its warmth." - african proverb

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probably never foresaw the guy that shot those people in the church or the guy that shot up the movie theater or the guys that blew up the marathoners or the cop that shot the guy who was running away in the back or the cops that choked out my man selling loosies or the cops that shot up the couple in the car when the last cop jumped on the hood and shot some more or the college students from maryland that killed and buried the young girl the guy met online or the...or the...or the...eh, i could do this for a long time


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I heard the excerpt from hillary's quote 20 years ago and didn't think it was that bad in and of itself but i didn't know the history or context.

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

"Get ready..for your blessing..."

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>"Get ready..for your blessing..."


I remember hearing about it on the national news and reading about it in my dad's Time magazine

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I was like 16 or so....

"Get ready..for your blessing..."

I didnt give a shit about politics in the mid 90's.

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Time

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

Especially when the protester is aggressive. Even if she had legit and reasonable response to the question, she's still going to come off looking bad.
How are you supposed to respond to "We want you to apologize to black people for mass incarceration"? Anything you say to that is going to get you fried.

Explaining the super predator comment is a valid request, but I get that she was unprepared for it. She's was probably thinking "I said what in 1994?" She was just there to eat some prime rib, get their money and give a little speech. She wasn't prepared to spar.

Clinton did get aggressive as hell at the end though lol. NOBODY EVER ASKED ME BEFORE!!

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When she gets pressed she doesnt have a cool response.. its always some snarky shit. It would be cool if she was a repub but this shit makes her look bad given her courting of Trayvon, Eric Garner and Blands moms.

Even if she had the perfect answer I doubt BLM would let her respond before cutting her off...

But my issue with clinton is she met with them, knows she said some wild shit in the past and has some bad incarceration stats from her husbands terms.

Itd like anytime she gets pressed to speak on her old quotes she is at a loss for words.

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she is trying to win this thing after all.

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-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

"In that speech, I was talking about the impact violent crime and vicious drug cartels were having on communities across the country and the particular danger they posed to children and families. Looking back, I shouldn't have used those words, and I wouldn't use them today.

My life’s work has been about lifting up children and young people who’ve been let down by the system or by society. Kids who never got the chance they deserved. And unfortunately today, there are way too many of those kids, especially in African-American communities. We haven’t done right by them. We need to. We need to end the school to prison pipeline and replace it with a cradle-to-college pipeline.

As an advocate, as First Lady, as Senator, I was a champion for children. And my campaign for president is about breaking down the barriers that stand in the way of all kids, so every one of them can live up to their God-given potential."

To try to flip what she said which was:

"They are not just gangs of kids anymore. They are often the kinds of kids that are called superpredators. No conscience. No empathy. We can talk about why they ended up that way, but first we have to bring them to heel."

To try to flip that and say she was trying to protect the kids... c'mon. To even call a kid a superpredator negates whatever work you've ever done to help kids. Then to dismiss the 'how they ended up that way' with strong justice first. This is really just such a damaging statement.

As for the act of protest, she should have let Hillary answer completely and not gotten kicked out. I'm sure ol girl was amped up and all but composure in the situation may have actually caught Clinton on tape actually fumbling the question, or resulted in a real apology.

Honestly I would have loved her to have gotten that real apology. WhatI want to hear more though is her say that the pressures of perception in the political arena made hr actually believe what she was saying at the time even if she can see the error in it now. I'd love for a politician not to side step their past mistakes but acknowledge them as real mistakes which they learned and grew from.

But I'm asking too much

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"When the music stops he falls back in the abyss."

I'm not a fan of asking someone a question and then interrupting them when they try to answer but I know thats not really what this is about.

I still feel like Hillary should be prepared BLM by now tho..

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I wouldn't stand in the way of anyone who did.

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Why?
Because it serves no purpose. It doesn't do anything help the current state of affairs for us.
let me stop........getting heated on a Friday is not a good look....




"Get ready..for your blessing..."

I think it would probably be to reverse the direction of the protest and turn it into a coversation.

"Excuse me, what's your name? Where are you from? I'd happy to listen to you and discuss but could you give me a few minutes to finish what we are doing here right now? I'd like to be considerate to the other people that paid to be here".



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"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

>I think it would probably be to reverse the direction of the
>protest and turn it into a coversation.
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>"Excuse me, what's your name? Where are you from? I'd happy
>to listen to you and discuss but could you give me a few
>minutes to finish what we are doing here right now? I'd like
>to be considerate to the other people that paid to be here".
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Hillary didn't respond that way because she's not a leader. And we're gonna be stuck with her ass pretty soon.

slight....

how would YOU respond though??

Kudos to the protester and all...but she was less prepared than Hilary IMO...


"Get ready..for your blessing..."

>"Excuse me, what's your name? Where are you from? I'd happy
>to listen to you and discuss but could you give me a few
>minutes to finish what we are doing here right now? I'd like
>to be considerate to the other people that paid to be here".

The last line is basically begging the rest of the crowd to gang up on her. Again the real way to handle it is first be prepared. And second to address it head on with no deflections. Clinton started her response by talking about what she said in April. That's a deflection from the quote from the 90's, which is why the protestor interrupted her. You gotta be prepared and get straight to the point. If you can silence the protestor you won. Everything else... nah.

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"When the music stops he falls back in the abyss."

tom, dick and hank who feels they have a right to run up on me and talk about what they want to talk about it.

It's the same tactic I take with my kids. Same with my kids, you don't get my attention on your terms, you get them on my terms.

You also don't run from the issue or the person like Ron Paul did last year.


A leader doesn't cater or cower, they set the agenda.


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"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

>tom, dick and hank who feels they have a right to run up on
>me and talk about what they want to talk about it.

Protestor paid $500 though. (For the record I don't think her approach was foolproof but dem emotions).

>It's the same tactic I take with my kids. Same with my kids,
>you don't get my attention on your terms, you get them on my
>terms.

http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=4&topic_id=12918502&mesg_id=12918502&listing_type=search

>You also don't run from the issue or the person like Ron Paul
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>A leader doesn't cater or cower, they set the agenda.

She's not the leader she wants to be yet (ie pres). She is campaigning and every opportunity should be seen as one to attract a vote.

Again being prepared is first. If she's prepared she can handle that shit in away that the protestor feels really addresses their concerns without being talked down to. Talk down to them and you lost them even if you are right. The biggest issue here beyond how she handled the situation is Clinton was just wrong for the comment and all the actions she participated in around it. She has to own being wrong or lose the people that care about it.


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"When the music stops he falls back in the abyss."

a person to basically hijack your speech or presentation whether their issues are valid or not.

There's a balance in letting the protester know that their voice is valid and i will address your concerns today (hopefully), but i also have to finish addressing the concerns of the other folks that came here today.

And that's assuming that Hillary would be able to identify off the jump that the protesters concerns are valid.

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

You would be in the minority if you think people don't want a President that projects authority.

Regardless of the merits of the woman's argument, you don't get to control the conversation.

I think it was far more damaging the way Bernie handled it, then the way Hil handled it.


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"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

Bernie responded to the BLM protest by reaching out to the movement, meeting with them, and putting out a detailed racial justice platform that specifically addressed five forms of violence directed at communities of color. Hillary has only recently added a "racial justice" section to her web site; she really took her time with that, no?

Yes, Bernie shouldn't have had to be pressed by activists to do this. He should have been running on this from the jump. And he deserves to be challenged--none of these old white people should get a pass. But he put forth serious proposals on racial justice much sooner in the campaign than Hillary did, and his were (and are) far better than hers. That's less because of him as an individual than because he has a more progressive campaign staff, that is more open to activist ideas.

Or are we talking about Sanders saying, immediately after the protest, that he was "disappointed" by it? Or his facial expression on the stage? I don't see why that's worse than Hillary's angry and dismissive reaction here ("Now, back to the issues"). More importantly, Hillary's policy record and stated agenda on racial justice are both weak. Why isn't that more important?

IMO I think dismissing/talking down to BLM isn't a good idea unless you are trying to get more white votes.

This isn't the GOP. Hillary and Bernie need all the black votes they can get.

It's pretty weird how people want Hillary so bad they are willing to ignore her past. That shit is ugly.

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...the Sanders team responded in a much more substantive and serious way to BLM, IMO. I don't really care about whether candidates look "shook" or whatever on the spot. I care about their policies, and Hillary is vague and talking about tinkering with the prison machine, not radical reform.


And now Hillary supporters are criticizing BLM for holding her feet to the fire? WTF? I don't understand why so many folks give her a pass. She doesn't deserve it at all.

important to you.

Let's imagine that hillary was talking about something in reference to those comments and was interrupted by someone bringing up something that felt random bc it wasn't something you were aware of or deemed important. If Hillary went and addressed that new issue you'd feel frustrated bc this person's rude behavior was rewarded and now what you came and paid your money to hear about was being interrupted.

I think it also rewards the behavior of hey, if there's something you wanna talk about just come to a paid fundraiser and interrupt. While some matters may be thaaaaat important and may be the only way to be heard, i think you'd wind up with a lot more kooks interrupting for irrelevant bs than we already have. Its a dangerous slope.

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

I support the intent so give benefits of the doubt. But if you paying $$ to do something like that make it count for something more than a viral vid.

My approach would have been to dress the part. Be civil throughout the event then when the Q&A session arrived taken the opportunity to read a larger portion of her speech and ask her to contextualize it for voters in 2016.

There's a good chance I wouldn't get called on, which if i read as a slight, only then would I turn it to protest, with an 'excuse me but I've been waiting to ask a question' that could escalate based on the response.


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"When the music stops he falls back in the abyss."

to answer.

But then as someone mentioned below, the point wasn't to get a response, it was to make awareness about the statement. So i guess it depends on what the point was.

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

If you want change you have to give the opportunity for change.

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paid to be here line

for obvious reasons, but also because that young lady also paid $500 to be there

anyway

they actually taught us this in school when giving presentations

when you have somebody in the audience being disruptive

you address them specifically and give them the opportunity for a one on one after the group meeting

but yeah, that's the way it should be handled

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still talking over them.

answer: you throw in a parting shot while they are getting escorted out.

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

you might think, nobody's ever asked me that before in your head

but out loud, the answer would be, IDK but I will find out and get you the information

of course after inviting them to a one on one following the general presentation

exchange info, etc...

but mayne, her body language and then shots fired...WOW!

she looks totally defeated initially

actually drops the mic when held to the issue

one of my biggest critiques of HRC is that she usually doesn't ever answer the question

so I have no issue with ol' girl holding her to the question

before she runs off on a tangent rambling dissertation that never gets home

enter the escort, chest puffed up, positions herself to stand over ol' girl

"BACK TO THE ISSUES, THE ISSUES THAT I THINK ARE IMPORTANT"

I'm going to assume the majority of that audience was not black

it speaks for itself, whether anybody agrees with it or not

it's the contradictions of HRC in a 60 sec clip.

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did she say Heal or Heel??


"Get ready..for your blessing..."

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"When the music stops he falls back in the abyss."

"Get ready..for your blessing..."

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"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

the way folks are paranoid about terrrorist now is how people talked about urban violence then.

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"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

of what she's saying.

Bring to heel basically means to reign em in with discipline.

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

Maybe its some Arkansas slang? Ionno

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and old black ppl in south Carolina still gonna vote her in by like 30%

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she wanted to shed light on hillary's history of shadiness, and she did well.

"They used to call me Baby Luke....but now? The whole damn 2 Liiiive Crew."

I heard her claim they were trying to take us back to Jim Crow/1960's...

where the fuck was she during the 1960's???

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Her poor word choice in a statement 20 years ago?

Could have gone in on her record. Goldman Sachs, etc.



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"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

to a quote. It's a public statement which lends it self to motivations behind policy she supported which did damage to the black community and helped foster the environment that leads up to now where BLM still needs to be said. BLM because we are not superpredators.

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she needed to be called out on that.

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The "superpredator" speech:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ALXulk0T8cg

On Saddam's phantom weapons of mass destruction:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DkS9y5t0tR0

In both cases, she shows a propensity to engage in scare-mongering, on the basis of flimsy evidence, when it advances her career.

The amount of money she and Bill have taken from predatory lenders is a much bigger scandal though, IMO.

that is, after last night's debate, where Trump was actually called to the carpet on his policies, instead of the meme that he's not conservative enough

he looked like an idiot, and everybody wanted to know what took so long.

we've been kicking HRC's abysmal record around on these boards since the word go...from Goldwater girl...to Superpredator...to Iraq...etc...

and now it's a story, I guess, a couple of days before super tuesday

WTF.

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...in favor of the e-mail scandal and Trump's sound bites. Neither have had their records seriously scrutinized, whether Clinton in politics or Trump in corrupt business dealings (since he has no political record, or real policies). Mainstream media will barely scratch the surface of the dirt they've done.

If they dig up dirt on politicians and business moguls it isn't long until they end up getting their own dishonest and damaging practices brought into the light.

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...for policies that serve the interests of those who own them and/or advertise with them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gj1DR0FZuQQ&list=PL5A39ABF97849612A

and i think she handled it just fine...she sure didn't yell "get em out of here!!!" or "i'd like to punch that guy in the face" like trump

she pretty much stayed even and didn't yell

folks making way too much of this

the shit was rude, period.

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I hate its rude but being nice doesn't get us shit...

While I don't agree with BLM asking for an answer and then talking over them I definitely appreciate how they get their voice heard in 2016.

and it damn sure isn't as rude as the mass incarceration she helped put in place when her husband was in office.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LqLfvQfuvsA

the young lady actually waited to be addressed before speaking

she gives HRC an opportunity to answer

when HRC goes into her stump speech about criminal justice reform

she repeats her question and holds her to the topic

doesn't raise her voice

doesn't yell

simply repeats the question

enter the escort

congrats on her not saying she'd punch her the face

the results were the same though, weren't they

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and is celebrated trying to call this young woman out for not following some sort of perceived etiquette seems off.

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following Michelle Alexander's article HRC doesn't deserve the black vote:

http://www.thenation.com/article/hillary-clinton-does-not-deserve-black-peoples-votes/

if indeed nobody has asked her the question direclty, the fact that it took this tactic to get the issue addressed, again, speaks for itself.

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God forbid they disrupt one of her fundraisers. Such impudence! Don't they know who she is?

>God forbid they disrupt one of her fundraisers. Such
>impudence! Don't they know who she is?

That fundraiser was full of high net-worth donors who have no clue about the BLM movement - and how they (and Hillary) handled the situation was very telling.

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But he's not above common sense....


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GOAT of his era......long live Prince.....God is alive....

CA doesn't vote until July I think?

and we're the 8th largest economy in the world

this whole process is f'd.

sounds like MED is looking for a job

at some point a record of being on the wrong side >>> experience

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NnrG3NbuXhw

there's enough in her own record.

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The problem is politics is complex and dirty as shit...As soon as one points to Clinton being connected to her husband's crime bill (which in itself is kind of chauvinistic...), u realize that everyone had a role to play...

Bernie def. criticized that bill. If folks want to hold him up as some untainted crusader then I have no beef with that......

Just know that this happened: (Buzzfeed: "The Sanders campaign says he voted for the 1994 crime bill because it contained a ban on assault weapons — but that ban wasn’t in the version of the bill he initially supported"...link: http://www.buzzfeed.com/christophermassie/sanders-campaign-says-he-voted-for-crime-bill-due-to-weapons?utm_term=.fn8YDLmLyP#.gvqy6JmJ0A)

U see where I'm going with this? Politics ain't for the kiddies. It ain't for folks that believe in the tooth fairy....It's a place often fueled by compromise, bullshit and shameless, jaded chess moves...

When someone tells me that Bernie has always been for the little guy/girl and that he trumps Clinton in the integrity department, I don't view such a statement with outrage. I don't say YOU R WRONG. I don't try to brand Bernie as just another politician....

U know why? Because there are no saints in politics. The object of this election is to vote for the candidate that u think can be A) Electable/get things done....and B) back up the political party that is less dangerous, less reckless, and a lot more sensible to the issues I care about (the Democratic party)........

All this to say, I'm not much into hero worship or an all-or-nothing brand of activism. I'm not voting for Clinton because I think she can do no wrong. I'm voting for her because she's the best alternative, will continue much of Obama's agenda and will hopefully block the other side (Trump/Repus) from setting foot in the Oval Office...

GOAT of his era......long live Prince.....God is alive....

She played her part in getting that crime billed passed. FOH acting as though Hillary was dragged by her hair to support it.

Cool story about Bernie...

I dont think anyone is saying Bernie doesnt have blemishes and doesnt vote in his states best interest.

The probkem is the Clintons get shit done and most of the time it didnt help Black libes get better.

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We're not gonna do this bullshit this year. Using hillary's femininity as a deflection like you people did Obama. Played out.

"They used to call me Baby Luke....but now? The whole damn 2 Liiiive Crew."

Chauvinistic meaning that the wife shouldn't have to answer for everything the husband has done....Beef about that Super Predator comment? That's legit..Even if you were on some Right Wing shit and came at Clinton for her involvement (as First Lady) in that whole '90s Health Care move, it is what it is......

But I've been seeing a lot of lackadaisical "Bill = Hilary" posts on here...I even read a post about how Hillary could have stopped her husband from being a serial horn dog...lol

As for that crime bill? Nobody's hands are clean on that shit, including Bernie's who voted for it AND re-up'd that vote several times. He, like everyone else at that time, did it for political reasons....

And that is the angle I'm coming from....I know who Hillary Clinton, Bernie and everyone r: POLITICIANS....

But they don't hate government or come off as unhinged like the other side...

GOAT of his era......long live Prince.....God is alive....

i.e. she played no part in the Clinton administration because she was just a first lady

c'mon

a hypothetical Michelle campaign was floated

would you be making that argument when she's tied to BHO's administration?

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supporting bills that fucked Black people over.

I think you missed on that one.

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Hillary "Super Predator Terminating Goldwater Girl" Clinton is gonna keep republicans out of the oval office?

how you do dat there?

"They used to call me Baby Luke....but now? The whole damn 2 Liiiive Crew."

Rest In Peace, Bad News Brown