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"OKScience: Gravitational Waves though"


  

          

Kanye blew it by changing the name of his album, coulda been ahead of the curve.

But yeah. THIS IS MAJOR!!

Which only means none of us actually know what the fuck it means, but let's pretend like we do 'til stravinskian chimes in.

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They're right around the corner from finding some Infinity Rings
Feb 11th 2016
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This is my field of study, by the way.
Feb 11th 2016
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So first question is the literal, does this mean gravity is a wave?
Feb 11th 2016
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Well, gravity is a field.
Feb 11th 2016
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      Got it... so then
Feb 11th 2016
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           RE: Got it... so then
Feb 12th 2016
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a little physics/political cross-humor for you:
Feb 11th 2016
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hehe.
Feb 12th 2016
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Why is it believed that the waves were caused by colliding Black Holes?
Feb 12th 2016
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      http://cdn.meme.am/instances/500x/37725628.jpg
Feb 12th 2016
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      Pats head. You can't understand the question.
Feb 12th 2016
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      We calculated what the waveform should be.
Feb 12th 2016
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           This is what drove it home for me.
Feb 12th 2016
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           Wow. That's what's up. Your answer made be go search some things
Feb 12th 2016
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Here's the most helpful thing I've read on this
Feb 11th 2016
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Meanwhile in Flint Michigan
Feb 11th 2016
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*rolls eyes*
Feb 11th 2016
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Y'know? That's exactly what I did when I read this non news.
Feb 11th 2016
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      ^^^^^^ not posting using wifi
Feb 11th 2016
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      Isn't that all based off of Tesla's discoveries anyway?
Feb 11th 2016
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           you should read up on how space technology has improved
Feb 11th 2016
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           yeah Syria, Nigeria, Brazil, South Africa, even America
Feb 11th 2016
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                hey dumb ass this isn't a *SPACE* discovery
Feb 11th 2016
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                     Hold on, I thought this was a post about the two black holes merging
Feb 11th 2016
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                          smh
Feb 11th 2016
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                          oh jesus christ
Feb 12th 2016
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                               Please-- call me Atillah.
Feb 12th 2016
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           Damn I ain't know Elon Musk invented wifi. That's deep.
Feb 11th 2016
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      LOL. You sounding mad creationist there buddy
Feb 11th 2016
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      Plenty of scientific discovery to be made right here on this planet.
Feb 11th 2016
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           do you have an off switch?
Feb 11th 2016
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                No, just a timer.
Feb 11th 2016
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      ^^doesnt use phone or gps
Feb 11th 2016
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what are you doing about it?
Feb 11th 2016
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Time and money.
Feb 11th 2016
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      Cool. So get back to your time and money
Feb 11th 2016
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This foolishness can be said about absolutely everything.
Feb 11th 2016
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What will this do for anyone? It's a circle jerk for scientists.
Feb 11th 2016
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      And you're having a circle jerk in here.
Feb 11th 2016
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           why so serious?
Feb 11th 2016
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                Ask yourself that question.
Feb 12th 2016
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                     I'm not. Just having a laugh at how worked up you all get.
Feb 12th 2016
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                          Who's worked up? You got called out for your nonsensical reply
Feb 12th 2016
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                               It's really not that serious. No dis to the OP.
Feb 12th 2016
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http://tinyurl.com/jdtoxn9
Feb 11th 2016
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haahahahahahahahahaahahahaahahahaahahahahahahah
Feb 11th 2016
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Lol idiot
Feb 12th 2016
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You're the best Gonzalez. And I mean that. You're an A+ internet coward....
Feb 12th 2016
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meanwhile, on an internet forum for a music group.....
Feb 12th 2016
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The way this made sense to me is imagining the sun instantly disappeared
Feb 11th 2016
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That's right.
Feb 11th 2016
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I'm pretty sure I read this exact thing in the last week or two.
Feb 11th 2016
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I don't understand anything about this.
Feb 11th 2016
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maybe this one will help
Feb 11th 2016
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      I was referring to an article from The Guardian. Lol
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           Also, the video had beatz
Feb 12th 2016
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WHAT A TIME TO BE ALIVE
Feb 11th 2016
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This why I love science.
Feb 12th 2016
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How old do you think the earth is?
Feb 12th 2016
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patiently waits on answer
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LOL
Feb 12th 2016
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Not today Homie. Much Love
Feb 12th 2016
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No you dont lmao
Feb 12th 2016
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      Actually I do and I believe in Aliens too.
Feb 12th 2016
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They're what the Silver Surfer rides, right?
Feb 12th 2016
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lol!
Feb 12th 2016
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owwwwww
Feb 12th 2016
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LOL
Feb 12th 2016
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Is Einstein really that much of a bad ass?
Feb 12th 2016
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He really does deserve every bit of the adoration he gets.
Feb 12th 2016
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      thanks for this answer
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      some one buy this man many rounds
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Marbles
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1. "They're right around the corner from finding some Infinity Rings"
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Yeah, I tried to understand this from the various articles but this is just too far over my head.

This is some super-scientifical madness.

  

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2. "This is my field of study, by the way. "
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More precisely, we do the supercomputer calculations to solve Einstein's field equations, to find the waveforms predicted by the theory, which LIGO searches their datastream for.

Anyone who wants to can AMA, but I'll probably be a bit distracted for the next day or two.

  

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3. "So first question is the literal, does this mean gravity is a wave?"
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8. "Well, gravity is a field. "
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(Or, more properly, it's a phenomenon caused by a field.)

DISTURBANCES in that field propagate as waves.

Similarly, electromagnetism is caused by a field, the electromagnetic field. And disturbances in that field propagate as waves, electromagnetic waves, light waves.

  

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15. "Got it... so then"
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Is there a mass required to create measurable gravity waves?
Can they be created sans such a mass?
What would be the effect of being at the peak of such a wave vs a trough?
Do you think there will be a practical application of this in our lifetime?
Did you leak that this report was coming on twitter like a month ago?
LOL

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50. "RE: Got it... so then"
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>Is there a mass required to create measurable gravity waves?
>Can they be created sans such a mass?

Hmm, well in a sense mass is needed, and it needs to move very rapidly, in a certain way (with a rapidly varying "quadrupole moment").

However, also thanks to Einstein, the definition of mass is subtler than people think. Black holes have mass, but they're pure spacetime, there is no matter there. In fact, in principle, it's possible to form a black hole without a collapsing star, just by tightly focusing a beam of light, or in fact, of gravitational waves.

>What would be the effect of being at the peak of such a wave
>vs a trough?

Gravitational waves are a stretching and squeezing of spacetime, which acts on all the matter within it.

The choice of what to call "peak" versus "trough" in this case would just be convention. But making a choice: at the peaks you were taller and thinner, at the troughs you were shorter and fatter.

The effect, though, is shockingly small, because matter is almost completely transparent to gravitational waves. The 40-kg masses at the ends of the LIGO arms moved by a distance about 1/1000 the size of a proton. Our entire galaxy was stretched and squeezed, by a distance about the width of your thumb.

>Do you think there will be a practical application of this in
>our lifetime?

Nope. Of course we said the same thing about radio waves. But still, nope.

But also, it depends what you mean by "practical." This has already been used as a tool to learn something about how many stellar-mass black holes are out there. There's no good optical way to find them, so that's a big deal. When we start to measure neutron star collisions, we'll answer some huge questions in nuclear physics and quantum chromodynamics. Neutron stars are effectively single star-sized atoms, so all the data we get on them is hugely exciting.

To me, this is very practical, but of course that's in the eye of the beholder.

>Did you leak that this report was coming on twitter like a
>month ago?
>LOL

The LIGO people have been incredibly quiet on the subject. I'm not actually in the LIGO collaboration, but I have dozens of friends who are, and all I heard was rumors, all from non-LIGO people. I saw Kip Thorne in November, this was a month after the detection, so he definitely knew about it. In a public talk, he said he expected the first detections in 2019. He was lying through his teeth.

But if you're accusing me of being Larry Krauss, who did spread the rumor on Twitter a few months ago, no. He's actually on my shit list these days, first for saying negative things about Interstellar, and then for prematurely spreading this rumor to the public.

  

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30. "a little physics/political cross-humor for you:"
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http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2016/02/11/opinion/11chappatte/11chappatte-sfSpan-v3.jpg

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47. "hehe. "
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Black holes are too beautiful, especially today, to make sense in that analogy, though.

  

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42. "Why is it believed that the waves were caused by colliding Black Holes?"
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Could the gravity waves be caused by something other? Just asking.
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45. "http://cdn.meme.am/instances/500x/37725628.jpg"
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http://cdn.meme.am/instances/500x/37725628.jpg

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61. "Pats head. You can't understand the question."
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46. "We calculated what the waveform should be. "
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Einstein derived these equations, called the Field Equations, which encode all there is to know about the dynamics of spacetime. These equations let us calculate, with the help of supercomputers, what the waveform would be for black hole collisions, neutron star collisions, supernovae, cosmic string bifurcations, etc.

So we not only know that these are black holes, we know their masses, and we're zeroing in on their spins.

  

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52. "This is what drove it home for me."
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Einstein had equations and calculations based on a theory and now we've actually seen waves that match those calculations, thus proving that the theory (and it's implications) is correct.

  

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62. "Wow. That's what's up. Your answer made be go search some things"
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>Einstein derived these equations, called the Field Equations,
>which encode all there is to know about the dynamics of
>spacetime. These equations let us calculate, with the help of
>supercomputers, what the waveform would be for black hole
>collisions, neutron star collisions, supernovae, cosmic string
>bifurcations, etc.
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>So we not only know that these are black holes, we know their
>masses, and we're zeroing in on their spins.
>



This also helped me too


Gravitational Waves are, in their most basic sense, ripples in spacetime. Einstein's theory of general relativity predicted them over a century ago and they are generated by the acceleration (or, indeed, deceleration) of massive objects in the cosmos. If a star explodes as a supernova, gravitational waves carry energy away from the detonation at the speed of light. If two black holes collide, they will cause these ripples in spacetime to propagate like ripples across the surface of a pond. If two neutron stars orbit each other very closely, energy is carried away from the system by — you guessed it — gravitational waves. If we could detect and observe these waves, a new era of gravitational wave astronomy may be possible, allowing us to differentiate between gravitational wave signatures and work out which phenomenon is generating them. For example, a sudden pulse of gravitational waves may indicate they came from a supernova explosion, whereas a continuous oscillating signal may indicate two closely-orbiting black holes before merging.

ANALYSIS: Advanced LIGO Resumes Quest for Gravitational Waves

So far, gravitational waves are theoretical, even though strong indirect evidence for their existence is known. Interestingly, as gravitational waves propagate through spacetime, they will physically warp the "fabric" of space, very slightly shrinking or expanding the space between two objects. The effect is minuscule, but using laser interferometers — such as the Laser Interferometer Gravitational-Wave Observatory, or LIGO, that measures the tiniest perturbations in lasers reflected along 2.5 mile-long L-shaped vacuum tunnels — the propagation of gravitational waves through our planet may be detected. In the case of LIGO, there are 2 stations located on opposite sides of the US separated nearly 2,000 miles. If a gravitational wave signal is real, its signature will be observed at both locations; if it's a false positive (i.e. a truck driving past) only one station will detect it. Though LIGO started operations in 2002, it has yet to detect gravitational waves, but in September 2015, the system was upgraded to Advanced LIGO and hopes are high that, finally, physicists may have some good news for us on Thursday.


Extra Credit: Primordial gravitational waves. You may remember the kerfuffle about the BICEP2 "discovery" (and then un-discovery) of gravitational waves in the weak primordial "glow" of the Big Bang — known as the cosmic microwave background (CMB). Although the BICEP2 "discovery" turned out to be a dud, it is believed that tiny gravitational perturbations around the time of the Big Bang may leave their "fingerprint" in this ancient radiation as a special kind of polarized light. Should the fingerprint of primordial gravitational waves (i.e. gravitational waves produced by the Big Bang) be observed, certain models for cosmic inflation and quantum gravity may be confirmed. However, these are not the gravitational waves that LIGO is hunting for — LIGO (and other observatories like it) is looking for gravitational waves being generated by energetic cosmic events happening right now in our modern universe. The hunt for primordial gravitational waves is more of an archaeological dig into our universe's past.

http://www.livescience.com/53683-gravitational-waves-vs-gravity-waves-know-the-difference.html






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4. "Here's the most helpful thing I've read on this"
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“Just think of radio waves – when radio waves were discovered, we learned to communicate with them. Mobile communication is entirely reliant on radio waves. For astronomy, radio observations have probably told us more than anything else about the structure of the universe. Now we have gravitational waves we are going to have a whole new picture of the universe, of the stuff that doesn’t emit light – dark matter, black holes,” he said.

“For me, the most exciting thing is we will literally be able to see the big bang. Using electromagnetic waves we cannot see further back than 400,000 years after the big bang. The early universe was opaque to light. It is not opaque to gravitational waves. It is completely transparent.

“So, literally, by gathering gravitational waves we will be able to see exactly what happened at the initial singularity. The most weird and wonderful prediction of Einstein’s theory was that everything came out of a single event: the big bang singularity. And we will be able to see what happened.”

https://www.theguardian.com/science/2016/feb/11/gravitational-waves-discovery-hailed-as-breakthrough-of-the-century

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5. "Meanwhile in Flint Michigan "
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6. "*rolls eyes*"
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10. "Y'know? That's exactly what I did when I read this non news."
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Space discovery hasn't made life better for one single person on this planet.

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12. "^^^^^^ not posting using wifi"
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>Space discovery hasn't made life better for one single person
>on this planet.


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17. "Isn't that all based off of Tesla's discoveries anyway? "
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for the sake of argument, let's say this does lead to some new breakthrough. Maybe we figure out some type of anti gravity (for example) but since we spend so much time not focusing on how to make life better on Earth we'll just make anti gravity weapons platforms or some other horrible weapon.

Things being what they are on the one planet with any intelligent life on it you'd think we'd focus on that first, but hey, gravitational discovery in the far reaches of the cosmos-- big deal. So now what?

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19. "you should read up on how space technology has improved"
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life here on earth

instead of just making assumptions

read up on it, its pretty awesome

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http://perspectivesudans.blogspot.com/
i myself would never want to be god,or even like god.Because god got all these human beings on this planet and i most certainly would not want to be responsible for them, or even have the disgrace that i made them.

  

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24. "yeah Syria, Nigeria, Brazil, South Africa, even America "
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man space discovery has really improved things. I get it though -- we all love distractions from whats going on right in front of us.

We have no serious plans or direction for space. If we did the moon would be colonized by now.

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26. "hey dumb ass this isn't a *SPACE* discovery"
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it's fundamental fucking physics.

if you're calling a scientific discovery, which has been sought after ever since einstein proposed it, a distraction from the important social issues, you're an idiot.

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29. "Hold on, I thought this was a post about the two black holes merging"
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/speaking-of-science/wp/2016/02/11/cosmic-breakthrough-physicists-detect-gravitational-waves-from-violent-black-hole-merger/

If not well n/m

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37. "smh"
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59. "oh jesus christ"
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*Jews you*

"this is okp tho, reading is completely optional" (c) desus

Proceed with caution. I am overtly racist.

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67. "Please-- call me Atillah. "
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27. "Damn I ain't know Elon Musk invented wifi. That's deep."
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"I ain't no entertainer, and ain't trying to be one. I am 1 thing, a musician." � Miles

"When the music stops he falls back in the abyss."

  

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13. "LOL. You sounding mad creationist there buddy"
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>Space discovery hasn't made life better for one single person
>on this planet.

As shitty as life is on the planet, without an active pursuit of science it would be much much much shittier


  

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20. "Plenty of scientific discovery to be made right here on this planet."
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The depths of the ocean are still a mystery and if you we really want to talk space why isn't there some type of moon colony set up by now? We all know how much certain cultures love to colonize things, but I guess it's no fun to colonize a place that doesn't already have other humans there?

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22. "do you have an off switch?"
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.
http://perspectivesudans.blogspot.com/
i myself would never want to be god,or even like god.Because god got all these human beings on this planet and i most certainly would not want to be responsible for them, or even have the disgrace that i made them.

  

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25. "No, just a timer. "
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16. "^^doesnt use phone or gps"
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>Space discovery hasn't made life better for one single person
>on this planet.

.
http://perspectivesudans.blogspot.com/
i myself would never want to be god,or even like god.Because god got all these human beings on this planet and i most certainly would not want to be responsible for them, or even have the disgrace that i made them.

  

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14. "what are you doing about it? "
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donating time, money, water?

or just using it as a way to bam up a post on OKP?

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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18. "Time and money."
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23. "Cool. So get back to your time and money "
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and stop trying to fuck up quality threads with your tomfoolery.

  

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21. "This foolishness can be said about absolutely everything."
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MEANWHILE BACK AT THE HOUSE OF THE STARVING CHILDREN.

MEANWHILE BACK AT THE CENTER AGAINST SEXUAL ASSAULT!!!

anything anyone posts about can be met with this meaningless nonsense.

It's nothing but lazy, armchair activism. If you're so concerned, get on a plain, get to flint, and start helping out.

Otherwise, don't go fucking up quality threads with your smug fuckery.

  

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28. "What will this do for anyone? It's a circle jerk for scientists."
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Whose minds and talents could actually you know -- help people.

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32. "And you're having a circle jerk in here. "
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Stop stinking up the room with your half-assed activism. It's nothing but a jerkoff for you.

  

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38. "why so serious?"
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39. "Ask yourself that question."
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49. "I'm not. Just having a laugh at how worked up you all get. "
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60. "Who's worked up? You got called out for your nonsensical reply"
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And for trying to bam up a good post with said nonsense.

Granted, it's easier for guys like you to deflect that criticism as some sort ofnflaw in the person pointing it out.

Basically you're like Bill orielly when someone points out racism. You look for fault in the arguer when you can't attack the argument.

  

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66. "It's really not that serious. No dis to the OP."
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And you all see my point regardless of how you respond to it. That point being "how is this discovery going to aid more than just a handful of people?"

So what if it reveals when a bunch of gas exploded billions of years ago.

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35. "http://tinyurl.com/jdtoxn9"
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http://tinyurl.com/jdtoxn9

  

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36. "haahahahahahahahahaahahahaahahahaahahahahahahah"
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ahahahahahahahahhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa


STAY WOKE BRO STAY WOKE




hahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

  

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55. "Lol idiot"
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WHAT A TIME TO BE ALIVE

  

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68. "You're the best Gonzalez. And I mean that. You're an A+ internet coward...."
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You have all kinds of fun names to call people, but never really post anything of your own for people to critique.

I hope you never change.

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58. "meanwhile, on an internet forum for a music group....."
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*Jews you*

"this is okp tho, reading is completely optional" (c) desus

Proceed with caution. I am overtly racist.

<-- In Pigpen we trust

  

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7. "The way this made sense to me is imagining the sun instantly disappeared"
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**This is all likely loud and wrong**

What would happen to the earth's orbit? Since gravity is a wave, the fastest it can possibly move is at the speed of light.

So it would take at least 7 minutes (the time it takes for light from the sun to reach the earth) for earth's orbit around the sun to be affected at all.

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9. "That's right. "
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(There are interesting subtleties, but we can't really get into them here.)

  

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11. "I'm pretty sure I read this exact thing in the last week or two."
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nm

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"You can't beat white people. You can only knock them out."

  

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31. "I don't understand anything about this."
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I read an article that had a diagram and I couldn't understand and have given up. But I'm glad for science bc this seems like a BFD.

fuck you.

  

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33. "maybe this one will help"
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https://www.theguardian.com/science/video/2016/feb/11/gravitational-waves-discovery-changes-everything-video

  

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40. "I was referring to an article from The Guardian. Lol"
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Thanks - that video was helpful in that it wasn't too deep.

After posting I'd watched another video that was more detailed but ultimately left me a bit puzzled. I've been marinating on it. I'm going to try again this weekend. And maybe I need to visit a science museum with an exhibit on this. I always understand science better if I can see/hear/feel the concept as opposed to just reading about it. The lab was always my favorite part of science classes in school.

fuck you.

  

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53. "Also, the video had beatz"
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34. "WHAT A TIME TO BE ALIVE"
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1.3 Billions years ago, wow

  

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41. "This why I love science. "
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44. "How old do you think the earth is?"
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48. "patiently waits on answer"
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http://perspectivesudans.blogspot.com/
i myself would never want to be god,or even like god.Because god got all these human beings on this planet and i most certainly would not want to be responsible for them, or even have the disgrace that i made them.

  

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56. "LOL"
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WHAT A TIME TO BE ALIVE

  

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63. "Not today Homie. Much Love"
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57. "No you dont lmao"
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WHAT A TIME TO BE ALIVE

  

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64. "Actually I do and I believe in Aliens too."
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43. "They're what the Silver Surfer rides, right?"
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51. "lol!"
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54. "owwwwww"
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69. "LOL"
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65. "Is Einstein really that much of a bad ass?"
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Are we really just figuring out stuff that he proposed 100 years ago?

Why was he so brilliant?

Would someone else have thought up the stuff he did if he didn't get around to doing it?


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"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

  

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70. "He really does deserve every bit of the adoration he gets."
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It's hard to contextualize it for people, because there are a lot of people, tens of thousands out there right now, who do work in physics that would seem incredible and/or incomprehensible to the uninitiated. So it's hard to really communicate *why* his work was so special.

He's like the Shakespeare of physics. There are a lot of serious writers, essentially all of whom do work that I couldn't ever fathom doing. But (at least in a standard popular conception), there will only ever be one Shakespeare.

Just like with Shakespeare, the overall "quality" of Einstein's work stands out, but we also remember him for his particular "voice." He thought about things in a certain way, a way that helps the rest of us to understand things better. Even things that he never worked on.

>Are we really just figuring out stuff that he proposed 100
>years ago?

I wouldn't say we're just figuring out gravitational waves. We've known about the phenomenon for quite a while, and even had indirect evidence of it. This is just the first time we've been able to experience it directly.

Gravitational waves have an interesting history, though, and they had a relatively long gestation as an idea. Einstein discovered them in his general theory of relativity in 1916, and he very quickly worked out many of the mathematical tools that we use to understand them today. However, in order to do this, he had to make some simplifying mathematical assumptions, which some worried weren't entirely justified. Also, when we're talking about space being "stretched" and "twisted", subtle questions can quickly arise about what that really means. Couldn't we just relabel all of the points in space and time, adjust our mental meter sticks and stopwatches, to undo this stretching? It turns out the answer is no, but it took us about 50 years to be sure of that. In particular, Einstein wrote, and attempted to publish, a paper in 1936 that claimed to have *disproven* the physical reality of gravitational waves. He thought he'd shown that they were entirely a mathematical phantom, that we thought we were predicting them because we were understanding the theory wrong.

It turns out, in 1936, HE was misunderstanding HIS OWN mathematical theory, and it led him to this flawed conclusion. Luckily for him (and for the modern gravitational wave community), the referee at this journal where he was trying to make this claim, saw the errors in Einstein's logic, and eventually convinced him that his new argument was wrong, and that gravitational waves really were still a real, physical thing.

So, if not for the fact that Einstein listened to reason and realized that he'd been right in the first place, then what was demonstrated yesterday would have been a *refutation* of Einstein in 1936.

>Why was he so brilliant?

It should be noted that physics is a field in which some people have talent, but it's also something that we *learn* how to do. People sometimes seem to think that physicists just sit at a desk and ideas pop into their heads. "Ah, E=mc^2. Of course!" "Hmm, maybe space and time are dynamical and can stretch and squeeze. Call the Nobel committee."

Our pop culture doesn't help with this. In the Stephen Hawking movie (The Theory of Everything, which I generally loved), there was an infamous scene where Hawking stared into a fireplace, and the sparks make him think that maybe black holes give off radiation. And then he goes to present his idea in a talk, which lasted all of 25 seconds and contained no detailed arguments at all. And someone stands up in the audience and says "It's brilliant!" or something like that. That's not how it works. Hawking worked for weeks and weeks and weeks on the calculations that led to Hawking radiation. That work was largely manipulating mathematical equations, which most people just can't imagine, so they just skip it in the movies.

When people ask "How was Michael Jordan so good?" The answer makes more sense to people. He had innate talent, and he put a hell of a lot of work into maximizing it. People can roughly imagine working in a gym for hours on end to maximize your basketball skills. They have a harder time imagining sitting at a pad of paper for hours on end and doing math. But that's really what it is, at least for a theoretical physicist.

So the answer to the question "How was Einstein so good", I think, is the same as the answer to the question "How was Jordan so good." Talent, and a hell of a lot of hard work.

>Would someone else have thought up the stuff he did if he
>didn't get around to doing it?

Some things, yes (Poincare was right on his heels with special relativity, including E=mc^2). Other things: yes, but we don't know how long it would have taken. General relativity, in particular, which is the theory that provides for gravitational waves, came from a set of ideas that were WAY outside the realm of what other people were thinking, and it took a huge amount of time for him to justify those ideas. Einstein called it "the most laborious decade of my life," just to write down the equations that define the theory in their completed form. It took another fifty years or so before they were generally accepted.

If Einstein hadn't come up with special relativity, the quantum-mechanical explanations of the photoelectric effect or Brownian motion, his theory of heat capacities at low temperature, the theory of Bose-Einstein condensation, I would bet that someone else would have come up with those ideas within about a decade or less. (Though likely in less elegant ways.)

But general relativity? I think most people agree, if not for Einstein, the amount of time we'd have to wait for that discovery would have been measured in the centuries.

  

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71. "thanks for this answer"
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i myself would never want to be god,or even like god.Because god got all these human beings on this planet and i most certainly would not want to be responsible for them, or even have the disgrace that i made them.

  

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72. "some one buy this man many rounds"
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Even tho I know strav don't drink...

But his replies are always the fucn biz and much appreciated

  

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