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BigReg
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"MOS DEF IN JAIL"


  

          

Remember when he changed his name and moved down to South Africa? Yeah, about that...


US rapper Mos Def arrested at South African airport

JOHANNESBURG (AP) — The American entertainer commonly known as Mos Def has 14 days to leave South Africa after he was arrested for violating local immigration laws while trying to leave the country, a government spokesman said Friday.

The rapper and actor, who now goes by the name Yasiin Bey, appeared in a South African court after he was arrested at Cape Town International airport on Thursday, said Department of Home Affairs spokesman Mayihlome Tshwete.

Mos Def produced an unrecognized "world passport" when he tried to leave the country, Tshwete said.

The 42-year-old entertainer entered the country on an American passport in 2013 and overstayed his visitor's permit by 2014, the spokesman said.

A court order to leave the country means the rapper is banned from South Africa for five years, but may appeal to officials for leniency, Tshwete said. Mos Def appeared alongside family members who were also in the country without a permit, the spokesman said.

The New York rapper has lived in Cape Town since May 2013, according to a South African newspaper, the Mail and Guardian.

Mos Def, born Dante Smith, starred in films such as "The Hitchhiker's Guide To The Galaxy," ''The Italian Job" and "Life of Crime.

  

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capetown is beautiful. don't blame him for not leaving lol
Jan 15th 2016
1
Dude couldda easily done it legally
Jan 15th 2016
2
A WORLD PASSPORT! yeah that's the ticket
Jan 15th 2016
3
and here i thought the u.s passport is a world passport
Jan 15th 2016
32
oh of course
Jan 15th 2016
7
I was going to say the same exact thing. I could almost live there
Jan 15th 2016
8
agreed, i was only there for 4 days and got that feeling.
Jan 15th 2016
15
      I was there for about two weeks (actually two separate one week stays)
Jan 15th 2016
55
It's also very white and very racist.
Jan 16th 2016
96
Isn't Cape Town the only city in SA that is majority non-Black?
Feb 06th 2016
186
What happened to his American passport?
Jan 15th 2016
4
is he running from child support?
Jan 15th 2016
5
^^^
Jan 15th 2016
13
thats what i was thinking
Jan 15th 2016
38
      you killin it on soundcloud btw - keep it up
Jan 15th 2016
45
"world passport" ? Is dude on some new type global sovereign citizen ish...
Jan 15th 2016
6
He should do a project with Jay Elect & MF Doom called "World Passport"
Jan 15th 2016
9
with a cameo from Slick Rick
Jan 15th 2016
89
Dude is TOO OLD to be doing that "sovereignty" shit
Jan 15th 2016
10
Any music he made there should be confiscated & released as public domai...
Jan 15th 2016
11
They arrested him when he tried to leave the country
Jan 15th 2016
12
......
Jan 15th 2016
14
All these smart dumb negros totally missed that point.
Jan 15th 2016
17
what are ways around a passport?
Jan 15th 2016
25
^mocks smart dumb shit. proceeds to say smart dumb shit
Jan 15th 2016
77
      ^ #sheeple
Jan 15th 2016
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      Do y'all ever get tired of being so dumb
Jan 15th 2016
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           so tell us they ways around a passport muthafucka
Jan 16th 2016
90
           ^conveniently skipped akon's question
Jan 16th 2016
97
                Google is your friend
Jan 16th 2016
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                     RE: so, you don't know
Jan 16th 2016
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                     i googled. this is what i get
Jan 16th 2016
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                     I googled "Shapeshifting reptillian illuminati" instead
Jan 16th 2016
110
                          lofl. damn you
Jan 16th 2016
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                          Damn what page was that on 32
Jan 17th 2016
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                               what are ways around a passport?
Jan 18th 2016
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                               try reading slower. maybe you'll comprehend the second time
Jan 18th 2016
143
haha, that was my thought too, "but he was already leaving....
Jan 15th 2016
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      i think the jail is bigreg byperbole
Jan 15th 2016
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      so he's flagged if/when he fails to leave or if he comes back.
Jan 15th 2016
31
      europe started clamping down on overstays about 8-9 years ago
Jan 15th 2016
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How come our Left of Center Hip-Hop acts don't seem to have it together?
Jan 15th 2016
16
All those "normal dudes" you just mentioned
Jan 15th 2016
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Good point but I guess I am looking at it post making it big.
Jan 15th 2016
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      despite potential & diehard following, Mos et al never made it 'big'
Jan 15th 2016
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lofl. way to name a bunch of Capitalist
Jan 16th 2016
91
      *dancehall horns*
Jan 16th 2016
100
      You shouldn't hate ideas and worldviews different from your own.
Jan 20th 2016
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      The proper term is limousine liberal.
Feb 06th 2016
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#Bey
Jan 15th 2016
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where's he going?
Jan 15th 2016
21
probably revoked for child support or taxes
Jan 15th 2016
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      that's my guess too.
Jan 15th 2016
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      he still has it though, no?
Jan 15th 2016
34
      what happens if passport is revoked while abroad?
Jan 15th 2016
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           i think he'd have to surrender it to the nearest consulate
Jan 15th 2016
42
      whats crazy is .He was just over here in May perfoming
Jan 15th 2016
43
Chapter 37 of my new book, "Don't Have Kids with
Jan 15th 2016
24
my info pamphlet: 'Don't Have Kids With Yasiin Bey or Mos Def'
Jan 15th 2016
27
I edited this for you
Jan 15th 2016
30
      Love is great and all.
Jan 15th 2016
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RE: MOS DEF IN JAIL
Jan 15th 2016
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haha. i dont think its like a moslem divorce
Jan 15th 2016
35
Talak Talak Talak over a 88 keys beat...nm
Jan 16th 2016
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      lol!
Jan 16th 2016
114
I imagine Mos renounced his citizenship like Prince Akeem...
Jan 16th 2016
116
RE: I imagine Mos renounced his citizenship like Prince Akeem...
Jan 17th 2016
120
Lol
Feb 07th 2016
189
It does seem like the type of thing he would do
Jan 18th 2016
150
World Passport= Terrence Howard math + Wesley Snipes Tax plan
Jan 15th 2016
33
Some how, I feel as though Lauryn Hill is missing from this equatio
Jan 15th 2016
37
THIS. NIGGA. CHANGED. HIS. NAME. TO. BEY.
Jan 15th 2016
36
if he's a sovereign citizen then maybe that's why he
Jan 15th 2016
40
IIRC, his passport expired while he was in South Africa
Jan 15th 2016
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      could be.
Jan 15th 2016
66
wait...is...is this true? It's just citified self hate?
Jan 15th 2016
65
Wait, so how do they believe they ended up in slavery?
Jan 15th 2016
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RE: Wait, so how do they believe they ended up in slavery?
Jan 15th 2016
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lol
Jan 16th 2016
93
they so bad at history blud
Jan 16th 2016
92
he couldve just crossed the border every 3 months
Jan 15th 2016
44
#Bey
Jan 15th 2016
46
      when applying that hotep logic to reality....
Jan 15th 2016
47
wait... *this* world passport?
Jan 15th 2016
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...
Jan 15th 2016
49
does the math
Jan 15th 2016
50
      #Bey
Jan 15th 2016
51
He had the one with Goodie Mob's 3rd album cover on the front.
Jan 15th 2016
85
      this just made me laugh so hard
Jan 15th 2016
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I had a freind who did some stupid shit too
Jan 15th 2016
52
CHild support details (old-ish)
Jan 15th 2016
53
I knew some dudes that used to flash their moorish IDs at cops
Jan 15th 2016
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Moorish IDs?
Jan 15th 2016
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      Crazy people
Jan 15th 2016
62
wild but it cant all be about child support, right?
Jan 15th 2016
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Why do I NEED ID, to GET ID???
Jan 15th 2016
58
I guess he's a travelin' man, moving through places, space and time
Jan 15th 2016
60
      these two replies
Jan 16th 2016
94
Remember when we thought the soulquarian rappers were deep?
Jan 15th 2016
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Haha yea I think about this often.
Jan 15th 2016
68
kweli is the one of a few popular rappers who actually reads books
Jan 15th 2016
69
Yup. Not a fan, but I agree 100% on this point. He never changed.
Jan 15th 2016
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^True...
Jan 17th 2016
128
Is it showing true color or growing the fuck up?
Jan 20th 2016
170
      You ah....you put words in my mouth.
Jan 20th 2016
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i think kweli got cool again the last few years
Jan 15th 2016
70
Same.
Jan 15th 2016
71
Why throw them under the bus like that?
Jan 15th 2016
73
I still fux with Kweli, truthfully people just hold the way that he look...
Jan 15th 2016
75
Idk man you ever seen his twitter?
Jan 17th 2016
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      I guess, but everyone is a herb on twitter imo. It's a herb-ish platfor...
Jan 20th 2016
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meh.....
Jan 15th 2016
84
Exactly.
Jan 16th 2016
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exactly.
Jan 17th 2016
123
Kweli has looked like a corny herb on multiple instances tho
Jan 17th 2016
125
Like Water For Chocolate was a beautiful album regardless of what follow...
Jan 16th 2016
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      Of course !
Jan 20th 2016
159
I'm leeeavvviiinnnnn
Jan 15th 2016
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hilarity!
Jan 15th 2016
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*standing o*
Jan 15th 2016
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ARCHIVE!
Jan 15th 2016
80
LOL
Jan 17th 2016
118
+1
Jan 17th 2016
133
yo for real for real? these ninjas almost had me on that don't pay
Jan 15th 2016
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They had me wondering too.
Jan 15th 2016
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      mos def. b/c even if shit is/was illegal, they sTILL arresting ni&&as
Jan 17th 2016
117
GOT
Jan 15th 2016
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Why a African American gotta have a passport to go back to Africa?
Jan 16th 2016
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Refugees usually don't need passports
Jan 16th 2016
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but they need travel papers/docs
Jan 16th 2016
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      Hey, there are activists who petition the UN to investigate police
Jan 17th 2016
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           wait... what does this have to do with refugees?
Jan 17th 2016
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                Just that African-Americans would do better to appeal to the internation...
Jan 17th 2016
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                     i think you might be talking about something different
Jan 18th 2016
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                          I wasn't saying we meet the standard for refugees.
Jan 18th 2016
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                               black dude applied for asylum in canada
Jan 18th 2016
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                               Might as well ask if I'd like to work my way up in Morodor.
Jan 18th 2016
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                               he was seeking refugee status
Jan 18th 2016
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                               the un can only recommend. thats about it
Jan 18th 2016
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                                    RE: the un can only recommend. thats about it
Jan 22nd 2016
176
maybe you are talking about a visa
Jan 16th 2016
112
      i gots no love for rachael D and that is embarassing
Jan 17th 2016
122
Yasiin Bey (aka Mos Def) released this statement
Jan 16th 2016
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He's out of his fucking mind
Jan 16th 2016
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i get it, the perspective
Jan 16th 2016
107
These Syrians should have been buying World Passports
Jan 16th 2016
108
hotep logic
Jan 16th 2016
115
lol
Jan 17th 2016
119
right? i can make up a Bikini Bottom Passport and if country xyz
Jan 17th 2016
124
Show up at the border like....
Jan 17th 2016
126
i'm dyin.
Jan 18th 2016
139
Hilarity! LOL!
Feb 07th 2016
191
Jimmy Buffett and Sammy Haggar are creating their
Jan 22nd 2016
182
Lol
Feb 07th 2016
190
http://cdn.meme.am/instances/62670677.jpg
Jan 17th 2016
131
DAMB
Jan 20th 2016
167
*snicker*
Jan 20th 2016
166
please. he work for the embassy... on behalf of Imagination Industries
Jan 18th 2016
140
oh jesus fuckin christ
Jan 22nd 2016
181
Fist Lauren Hill went nuts, now this dude follows
Jan 17th 2016
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he's been nuts for about ten years fam
Jan 17th 2016
129
      These jokers are deeper than Deep's deepest depth. It's crazy.
Jan 17th 2016
130
Escaping the brutality of racist YT by running off to CAPE TOWN?
Jan 17th 2016
132
He's stuck in a Character - some kind of method acting disease..LOL.
Jan 17th 2016
136
ok, that was funny
Jan 18th 2016
147
My first thought. Hell South Africa period.
Feb 08th 2016
192
a press conference and a freestyle on a random website
Jan 19th 2016
151
I knew this nigga was crazy when Alicia Keys was tryna give up the box.....
Jan 19th 2016
152
lmao
Jan 20th 2016
157
and he retired from music and hollywood effective immediately
Jan 19th 2016
153
FUCK! BUT THAT OMFGOD ALBUM WITH MANNY FRESH!
Jan 20th 2016
156
That one hurt.
Jan 20th 2016
160
      Also what the fuck does "as it's currently structured" even mean?
Jan 20th 2016
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           bullshit.
Jan 20th 2016
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a country called earth! welcome to kenya, yasiin
Jan 20th 2016
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      i used to hate the term 'smart-dumb' .... but dude is epitomizing it
Jan 20th 2016
155
           What a waste. I like 16 Blocks & Be Kind Rewind and black on Both Sides
Jan 20th 2016
158
South Africa is not here for Yasiin's shenanigans. (link/swipe)
Jan 20th 2016
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welp! there goes the world passport legitimacy
Jan 20th 2016
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      i'm sure SA would accept his USA passport.
Jan 20th 2016
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           so, will they accept this Bikini Bottom Passport, or nah?
Jan 22nd 2016
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           this is the part i find amusing
Jan 22nd 2016
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           i know... but im hoping yasiin keeps it hotep and insists on worldpasspo...
Jan 22nd 2016
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Prefers the fire to frying pan -- interesting.
Jan 20th 2016
163
^^^
Feb 08th 2016
193
This dude done Wesley Snipe'd his self, C'MON SON
Jan 20th 2016
165
So, how's he going to make a living from now on?
Jan 20th 2016
169
well, he's an admirer of DOOM. maybe he'll relo to Bolivian, and
Jan 20th 2016
171
      well, he could also move to 2nd phillippians
Jan 22nd 2016
180
           right? they go hard at 1st Phillippians, but 2nd Phillipians except
Feb 05th 2016
184
video where world service org (world passport issuers) talks yasin
Feb 05th 2016
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http://www.slantmagazine.com/assets/house/film/conversationsbamboozled_2...
Feb 06th 2016
185
HAHA. perfect
Feb 06th 2016
188

Cenario
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1. "capetown is beautiful. don't blame him for not leaving lol"
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-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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2. "Dude couldda easily done it legally"
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Even people doing the whole illegal immigration stuff know its a wrap if you try to leave the country. This was clearly a line of thinking made while smoking some great kush in the midst of a mid Call of Duty match.

  

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3. "A WORLD PASSPORT! yeah that's the ticket"
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32. "and here i thought the u.s passport is a world passport"
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(although i think sweden and u.k are better than the american)

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7. "oh of course"
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-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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8. "I was going to say the same exact thing. I could almost live there"
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But there's still a lot of weird class/race issues going on there.

  

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15. "agreed, i was only there for 4 days and got that feeling."
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-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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55. "I was there for about two weeks (actually two separate one week stays)"
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And yeah, I definitely wanted to find a way to live there. Especially since it was 2004; when Dubya got re-elected about a little less than two months after I got back, I certainly gave it some serious thought.

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96. "It's also very white and very racist."
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186. "Isn't Cape Town the only city in SA that is majority non-Black?"
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Rest In Peace, Bad News Brown

  

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4. "What happened to his American passport?"
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Also wonder where he was going and if he was willing to lease South Africa for good or if he was touring for a performance.

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5. "is he running from child support?"
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13. "^^^"
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38. "thats what i was thinking"
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45. "you killin it on soundcloud btw - keep it up "
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6. ""world passport" ? Is dude on some new type global sovereign citizen ish..."
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9. "He should do a project with Jay Elect & MF Doom called "World Passport""
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Sounds like hot fiyah

  

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89. "with a cameo from Slick Rick"
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n/m

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10. "Dude is TOO OLD to be doing that "sovereignty" shit"
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11. "Any music he made there should be confiscated & released as public domai..."
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lol

  

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12. "They arrested him when he tried to leave the country"
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and then told him he had 14 days to leave the country

  

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14. "......"
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*
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I honor the place in you in which the entire Universe dwells.

  

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17. "All these smart dumb negros totally missed that point."
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BTW there are ways around a passport but since most people operate as a fiction that is what most persons use.

I'm not surprised tho South Africa is Black dominant population wise but white folks still run shit.

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25. "what are ways around a passport?"
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>BTW there are ways around a passport but since most people
>operate as a fiction that is what most persons use.

and the reason he got arrested is most probably because he didnt have a valid passport for travel
so they couldn't just fine him at the aiport, and let him proceed

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i myself would never want to be god,or even like god.Because god got all these human beings on this planet and i most certainly would not want to be responsible for them, or even have the disgrace that i made them.

  

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77. "^mocks smart dumb shit. proceeds to say smart dumb shit"
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>.
>
>BTW there are ways around a passport but since most people
>operate as a fiction that is what most persons use.

  

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82. "^ #sheeple"
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fuck you.

  

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86. "Do y'all ever get tired of being so dumb"
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probably not.

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90. "so tell us they ways around a passport muthafucka"
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damn

  

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97. "^conveniently skipped akon's question"
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98. "Google is your friend"
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It's not that hard to type in that little rectangular box is it?

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105. "RE: so, you don't know"
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.

  

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109. "i googled. this is what i get"
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http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=15dub7a&s=9#.VpqbhpMrLv0

i'm probably not smart enough to know what to do/ how to get this info
so perhaps you could just... tell me


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110. "I googled "Shapeshifting reptillian illuminati" instead"
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WHOA!

  

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111. "lofl. damn you"
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.

  

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great job.

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141. "what are ways around a passport?"
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.
http://perspectivesudans.blogspot.com/
i myself would never want to be god,or even like god.Because god got all these human beings on this planet and i most certainly would not want to be responsible for them, or even have the disgrace that i made them.

  

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143. "try reading slower. maybe you'll comprehend the second time"
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i know you can do it

  

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23. "haha, that was my thought too, "but he was already leaving...."
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why is he being arrested, isn't that what they want?"

  

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29. "i think the jail is bigreg byperbole"
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>why is he being arrested, isn't that what they want?"


.
http://perspectivesudans.blogspot.com/
i myself would never want to be god,or even like god.Because god got all these human beings on this planet and i most certainly would not want to be responsible for them, or even have the disgrace that i made them.

  

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31. "so he's flagged if/when he fails to leave or if he comes back."
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i assume. otherwise i dunno.

fuck you.

  

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41. "europe started clamping down on overstays about 8-9 years ago"
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per the schengen agreement.

when i exited the central EU after a year of living/working there, passport control specifically looked for and validated the work visa in my passport, after seeing the date on my entry stamp.

a bunch of expats got the boot and banishment like mighty mos did.

a lot of folks overstay their tourist visa (typically 90 days), work under the table (teaching english, etc) and skate tax-free. the gubbament ain't having none of that. don't think mos was doing that, but a lot people do.

there are ways to get an extension, though.

  

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16. "How come our Left of Center Hip-Hop acts don't seem to have it together?"
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Like the moguls are the Jays, Puffy, Dres, 50 cent type cats but the cats we grew up respecting as thinkers and conscious rappers are not only able to consistently drop albums but also get involved in dumb shit like this?



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18. "All those "normal dudes" you just mentioned"
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>Jays, Puffy, Dres, 50 cent

Have been shot, or have shot someone.

I'll take a fake passport over a shooting.

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20. "Good point but I guess I am looking at it post making it big. "
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"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

  

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54. "despite potential & diehard following, Mos et al never made it 'big'"
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common's 2nd career in hollywood is somehow a win
roots playing 3 hours a day everyday is a win i guess


but somewhere along the path to 'mogul'
it requires endorsements, building relationships with the biz world, etc that favor mainstream artists


50 and jay had a sneaker deal
mos and kweli tried to run a bookstore



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91. "lofl. way to name a bunch of Capitalist "
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like they are anything I want me and mine to aspire to

tho I respect each of them for what they do and love SOME to a lot of their music, well really Jays

but lofl

at this point trying to be made

fuck, i hate your posting style

  

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100. "*dancehall horns* "
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"They used to call me Baby Luke....but now? The whole damn 2 Liiiive Crew."

  

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168. "You shouldn't hate ideas and worldviews different from your own. "
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The folks I listed are the easy ones to point to as far as making it.

You could also point to folks who might not be ballin put are still prospering with happy successful lives.

Badu and 15 seem to be living happy and fulfilling lives.

But if your family life appears to be a wreck, you getting into non-productive mixups with the law, you not helping others in the movement AND not making music, then in my book you doing it wrong.

A lot of cats from the left seem to fall into this category. Probably no more percentage wise then the non-conscious cats, but you would expect them to be doing better because they conscious.



BTW, you aren't a capitalist? You off in the woods living off the land?



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187. "The proper term is limousine liberal. "
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Rest In Peace, Bad News Brown

  

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19. "#Bey"
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21. "where's he going?"
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i dunno that he can gain entry to the USA on a 'world passport'. what's up w/his USA passport?

fuck you.

  

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22. "probably revoked for child support or taxes"
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26. "that's my guess too."
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maybe he can hang out past the security/customs checkpoint in some international airport. like Ed Snowden.

fuck you.

  

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34. "he still has it though, no?"
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i mean he entered s.a with it
i believe it can only be reclaimed on entry into the u.s
or rather by an american immigration official - perhaps the embassy
i dont think they can deny him travel back to his home country
(it's international law)

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i myself would never want to be god,or even like god.Because god got all these human beings on this planet and i most certainly would not want to be responsible for them, or even have the disgrace that i made them.

  

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39. "what happens if passport is revoked while abroad?"
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fuck you.

  

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42. "i think he'd have to surrender it to the nearest consulate"
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however, if he wants to return to his home country (amerikkka)
the consulate has to ensure he is able to- typically they will issue a travel permit/document

he cannot be denied entry to his country of citizenship/nationality
regardless

unless he renounced his citizenship- although even then
he can still be deported to amerikkka

i dont know what this dude is trying to do
but its all very stupid

getting arrested in africa when you have money?

.
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i myself would never want to be god,or even like god.Because god got all these human beings on this planet and i most certainly would not want to be responsible for them, or even have the disgrace that i made them.

  

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43. "whats crazy is .He was just over here in May perfoming "
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if he was wanted for child support
why didnt they arrest him before these shows like they did scarface?

but may was a while ago

he did a show in in chicago in may:
http://theearlyregistration.com/2015/05/02/yasiin-bey-malik-yusef/



and apparently he said he was just tired of living here thats why he left:
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24. "Chapter 37 of my new book, "Don't Have Kids with"
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Someone You Don't Like"

i still blame hip-hop.

  

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27. "my info pamphlet: 'Don't Have Kids With Yasiin Bey or Mos Def'"
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fuck you.

  

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30. "I edited this for you"
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>Someone You Don't LOVE"

I like a whole lotta people, not having kids with em tho lol

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61. "Love is great and all."
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But people got different definitions of love and sometimes that involves property destruction and destroying someone in a custody or divorce case.

But if you really like a person at a core level and respect what they stand for and respect their values chances are you'll be able to co-parent together with minimal problems even if you don't want to live together or sleep together anymore.

i still blame hip-hop.

  

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28. "RE: MOS DEF IN JAIL"
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He didn't renounce his US Citizenship, did he? I mean if he didn't, just use your passport (if it didn't expire) and come home.

"We don't make mistakes, we just have happy little accidents" - Bob Ross

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35. "haha. i dont think its like a moslem divorce"
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>He didn't renounce his US Citizenship, did he?

there's a procedure to this, no?

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i myself would never want to be god,or even like god.Because god got all these human beings on this planet and i most certainly would not want to be responsible for them, or even have the disgrace that i made them.

  

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106. "Talak Talak Talak over a 88 keys beat...nm"
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the brown figures on the walls of my apart-a-ment...

  

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114. "lol!"
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116. "I imagine Mos renounced his citizenship like Prince Akeem..."
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renounced his royal throne on the subway in Coming to America...

"From this moment on, I renounce my throne." ::holds arms wide::
http://persephonemagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/CTA-SubwayAudience1-600x375.png

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120. "RE: I imagine Mos renounced his citizenship like Prince Akeem..."
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LOL!!!!

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"I'm wearing a MSU Tshirt because I went to MSU, you are wearing a UM Tshirt because you went to Walmart!" -unknown.

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189. "Lol"
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Since 1976

  

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150. "It does seem like the type of thing he would do"
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33. "World Passport= Terrence Howard math + Wesley Snipes Tax plan"
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They want it to be one way, but it's the other way

Now, how's Bey gonna leave when he got arrested for trying to leave?
Better make that call to the embassy/consulate and let them handle that

  

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some how

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36. "THIS. NIGGA. CHANGED. HIS. NAME. TO. BEY."
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He believes he he is descended from indigenous American Moors, not West African slaves. A lot of them claim sovereignty based on a 200 year old treaty between the US and Barbary States. THAT. NIGGA. CRAZY.

  

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40. "if he's a sovereign citizen then maybe that's why he "
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doesn't use his USA passport.

fuck you.

  

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64. "IIRC, his passport expired while he was in South Africa"
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and the US Embassy wouldn't let him renew because he has an outstanding arrest warrant for failure to pay child support

*Jews you*

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66. "could be."
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fuck you.

  

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65. "wait...is...is this true? It's just citified self hate?"
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Wow, I just thought that Moorish temple stuff was respecting your history on some deep shit. It's just a new fairytale for black people? cha.

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74. "Wait, so how do they believe they ended up in slavery?"
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They saw a line of black people standing around in the south somewhere and just stood at the end of it not realizing it was the line into slavery instead of Walgreens? Do they think there are precolonial moorish archeological sites that are being mistaken for Indian stuff?
How does a moorish person trace themselves back beyond colonialism to America? Oral history?
I'm so confused how this works.
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81. "RE: Wait, so how do they believe they ended up in slavery?"
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>They saw a line of black people standing around in the south
>somewhere and just stood at the end of it not realizing it was
>the line into slavery instead of Walgreens?

^^^^THAT ladies and gentlemen is grade A snarkasm

very well played

  

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93. "lol"
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but they don't believe "Moors" ended up in slavery and claiming Black/Blackness is why we still in mental chains with no physical flag for our "nation", ashe

sorry, i had a mind numbing recall of these niggaz flaggin me down in Venice, off Slauson, and in DTLA over the years

  

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92. "they so bad at history blud"
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but so good at music

Shafiq Husayn's IG is hilarisad

  

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44. "he couldve just crossed the border every 3 months"
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to remain in status

wtf is wrong with him?

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i myself would never want to be god,or even like god.Because god got all these human beings on this planet and i most certainly would not want to be responsible for them, or even have the disgrace that i made them.

  

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46. "#Bey"
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47. "when applying that hotep logic to reality...."
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http://perspectivesudans.blogspot.com/
i myself would never want to be god,or even like god.Because god got all these human beings on this planet and i most certainly would not want to be responsible for them, or even have the disgrace that i made them.

  

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48. "wait... *this* world passport?"
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Passport

why do i think this mofo actually thought its legit?

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i myself would never want to be god,or even like god.Because god got all these human beings on this planet and i most certainly would not want to be responsible for them, or even have the disgrace that i made them.

  

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49. "..."
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sovereign_citizen_movement

fuck you.

  

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50. "does the math"
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it all makes sense now

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i myself would never want to be god,or even like god.Because god got all these human beings on this planet and i most certainly would not want to be responsible for them, or even have the disgrace that i made them.

  

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51. "#Bey"
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85. "He had the one with Goodie Mob's 3rd album cover on the front."
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87. "this just made me laugh so hard"
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52. "I had a freind who did some stupid shit too"
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This was in the mid 90's. He read a book about how to not pay taxes that basically said "Taxes are not required by law, its voluntary and they can't make you pay them."

Boy did he ever get audited and fined and penalized.

Even smart people falls for stupid shit sometimes.

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53. "CHild support details (old-ish)"
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http://www.complex.com/music/2014/06/rap-dads-with-child-support-payments/50-cent
Date: February 15, 2006
What they owed: Monthly payments of $10,000

In 1996, Yasiin Bey (formerly Mos Def) married Maria Yepes. During their 10-year marriage, the couple had two children, Jauhara Smith and Chandani Smith, before divorcing in 2006. Not long after the split, it was reported that a judge declared Bey responsible for monthly child support payments of $10,000. He was previously paying $8,000 a month, citing failed business ventures and other fatherly obligations as reasons why he could not pay more.
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Other reports on the net say he's $600,00 behind, but they're from garbage sources.

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56. "I knew some dudes that used to flash their moorish IDs at cops"
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Shit never went over well. Law enforcement *hates* that shit for some reason.

  

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59. "Moorish IDs?"
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What's the background on this?

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62. "Crazy people"
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Basically black "sovereign" citizens wildly misinterpreting the way or the idea of what citizenship is. Not racists like the white movement - but sounds as belligerent and stupid.

https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/intelligence-report/2011/‘sovereigns’-black

Members of ‘Moorish’ groups and other black Americans are taking up the ideas of the radical ‘sovereign citizens’ movement

On March 29, John McGauley, county recorder for Allen County, Ind., came home to find a disturbing message on his answering machine.

“Mr. McGauley, this is Jabbar Gaines-El. I’m calling about your article about the Moorish Americans,” it said. “I just wanted to let you know that if you ever have any problem with members of the Moorish Nation, you can call me.”

As it happens, McGauley, whose county encompasses the city of Fort Wayne, was having trouble with members of the “Moorish Nation.”

Starting in December 2010, nearly a dozen black men had come into his office and recorded bogus documents purporting to change their names, grant themselves “power of attorney general” over themselves, and proclaim their “Unalienable and Substantive Rights to Be, to Enjoy, and to Act, distinct in my aboriginal customs and culture; and determining my own political, social, and economic status of the state.”

McGauley was not thrilled to learn that their leader, who calls himself “Sheik” Jabbar Gaines-El, had uncovered his home number. “I got a very distinct impression from the phone call that they wanted me to know that they know where I live,” he told the Intelligence Report. “I’ve never wanted to own a gun in my life, but the phone call I got made me think about it for a second.”



Jabbar Gaines-El
Jabbar Gaines-El carries a “Nationality and Right to Travel” card that includes a “Tax Immune Number.”
The situation never turned violent, but McGauley’s gut sense that something was amiss was correct. Gaines-El, who politely declined the Report’s request for comment, is a 38-year-old Indiana native whose real name is Jabbar C. Gaines. He’s one of a growing number of black Americans who, as members of outlandishly named “nations” or as individuals, subscribe to an antigovernment philosophy so extreme that some of its techniques, though nonviolent, have earned the moniker “paper terrorism.” Communicating through social media and learning from an ever-expanding network of websites and online forums, they perplex and often harass law enforcement officials, courts, and local governments across the country.

What may be even stranger about Gaines and his black Fort Wayne cohorts is that the “sovereign citizens” ideology to which they adhere — a conspiratorial belief system that argues that most Americans are not subject to most tax and criminal laws promulgated by the government — was originally thoroughly anti-black. But its racist roots have been virtually forgotten by increasing numbers of black Americans who have melded it with selective interpretations of the teachings of pioneer black nationalist Noble Drew Ali, who founded the exclusively black Moorish Science Temple of America (MSTA) almost 100 years ago.

The core ideas of the sovereign citizens movement originated in the racist and anti-Semitic Posse Comitatus group, which roiled the Midwest in the 1970s and 1980s and believed that the county sheriff is the highest legitimate law enforcement authority. Posse ideologues argued, in effect, that God gave America to the white man and therefore the government cannot abridge most rights of whites unless they submit to a “contract” with that government. But black people were only made citizens by the 14th Amendment, they argued, meaning that they have permanently contracted with the government and therefore must obey all its dictates.

The movement of sovereign citizens — most of whom are clearly unaware of the ideology’s racist roots — has grown extremely rapidly in the last two or three years. And, while black Americans remain a relatively small fraction of the estimated 300,000 sovereign citizens nationwide, it seems clear that their numbers are growing. In the last year, more and more black sovereigns, including several arrested in Georgia and elsewhere for using bogus documents to try to steal houses, have been implementing the movement’s basic ideas and techniques, which have spread into a number of radical black nationalist groups.

That convergence may not be entirely surprising, given that the MSTA’s Noble Drew Ali taught that black “Moors” were America’s original inhabitants and are therefore entitled to self-governing, nation-within-a-nation status. (Many American black nationalist groups refer mistakenly to the people of northern Africa as black; in fact, the Moors were a mix of Arabs, Berbers and black people.) Today, black nationalists who see themselves as Moors and white sovereign citizens both believe they have key rights that pre-date by eons the present government.


‘Paper Terrorism’
In practice, the conduct of “Moors” can be nearly identical to that of their white counterparts in the sovereign citizen movement.

The weapon of choice for both is paper. A simple traffic violation or pet-licensing case can provoke dozens of court filings containing hundreds of pages of pseudo-legal nonsense. These fake documents typically are written in nonsensical language that is all but incomprehensible to non-sovereigns.

“The first five or six or eight times we saw these guys, they were belligerent, they were hard to get along with,” McGauley recalled. “They came in here and immediately said, ‘We aren’t subject to these rules.’ They’re standing there at the counter lecturing my staff on their independence from the recording statutes and the fees that go along with them, and basically saying, ‘We aren’t governed by the laws of Indiana.’”

They refused to pay the fees associated with filing the documents, McGauley said, and seemed unconcerned when he explained that their name-change and other documents had no legal validity.

But McGauley’s alarm bells really went off when he learned that at least one Moor had used his “Power of Attorney General” document to open a bank account and pass a number of bad checks. Concerned that the others would use similar bogus papers to commit fraud, he contacted law enforcement and the local media.

Soon afterward, the Fort Wayne Journal Gazette published an article describing what the Moors were doing and warning locals to be on alert for official-looking documents that seemed “off.” The article quoted McGauley extensively. Two days later, he found Gaines’ message on his answering machine.

A few weeks after that, Frost Illustrated, a weekly newspaper aimed at black readers in Fort Wayne, turned over its front page to Gaines, who accused McGauley of racism and excoriated him for “spewing” what Gaines characterized as “negative propaganda.”

“It is my contention there exists a conspiracy within the local halls of government to deliver ‘smear’ tactics against the Moorish Republic with the aim and attempts to discourage unregistered Moors … from declaring their true and authentic nationality,” Gaines wrote in an editorial laced with sovereign theory.

Roots of the Moors
The Moorish Science Temple of America was founded in Newark, N.J., in 1913 by Timothy Drew, a North Carolina native who changed his name to Noble Drew Ali and proclaimed himself a prophet. Drew Ali taught that the earth’s original single continent, called Amexem, was inhabited entirely by Moors. A massive earthquake split the continent and created the Atlantic Ocean, leaving those in what became the Americas as that continent’s first inhabitants, long before the arrival of the ancestors of American Indians.

God eventually sent European colonists to enslave the Moors as punishment for their forgetting their history and ways, Drew Ali said. The only way for black Americans to regain their heritage, he preached, was to “proclaim their nationality and their Divine Creed … and know that they are not Negroes, Colored Folks, Black People or Ethiopians, because these names were given to slaves by slave holders.” Instead, MSTA members were given cards and passports identifying them as Moorish Americans.

Unlike the white-dominated sovereign citizen movement today, however, MSTA was explicitly not antigovernment. Asserting their noble Moorish heritage was supposed to enable blacks to gain the government’s recognition and respect as full citizens rather than second-class descendants of slaves. Drew Ali exhorted young MSTA members to “see the duty and wisdom of at all times upholding … obedience to law, respect and loyalty to government,” and “not to use any assertion against the American flag.”

Many white sovereign citizens today also carry fake IDs proclaiming themselves members of imaginary nations, but these are supposed to show that they are outside U.S. jurisdiction and therefore not subject to codes, statutes or courts.

The MSTA fragmented rapidly after Drew Ali’s death in 1929, but his call for reclaiming a proud heritage has captured the imagination of tens of thousands of black Americans — including Jabbar Gaines-El and his fellow travelers in Fort Wayne. They, like those in many MSTA offshoots and other black nationalist and black Muslim groups, took to adding suffixes like “Ali,” “El,” “Dey,” “Bey,” and “Al,” to their last names.

Today, the head of MSTA is none too happy to see its prophet’s words used to encourage antigovernment activity.

MSTA’s grand sheik, Brother R. Jones Bey, is arbiter of orthodoxy for the movement’s members. He believes the behavior of groups like Gaines’ is utterly out of line with the prophet’s teachings.

“We do not follow ‘sovereignty.’ The prophet never talked about that,” he told the Intelligence Report. “Our organization has been misunderstood by people who see the value of our religion but don’t want to conform,” he said. “They are not members of our organization. I don’t know what they’re doing, because they’re misrepresenting the Moorish Science Temple of America.”

Jones Bey said that the proliferation of non-members claiming ties to the MSTA and Noble Drew Ali and imbued with sovereign ideas came to his attention about a year ago. MSTA immediately added to its website a note stating that it does not endorse sovereign ideas or behavior. “We are citizens of the United States of America, and we want to make our contribution to the United States of America, not tear it down,” Jones Bey said.

That’s not how Gaines-El sees it. He predicates his argument that Moors are not U.S. citizens on the U.S. Supreme Court’s 1857 Dred Scott ruling, which described black people as “beings of an inferior order, and altogether unfit to associate with the white race, either in social or political relations, and so far inferior that they had no rights which the white man was bound to respect.”

In his Frost Illustrated article, Gaines-El noted — as many white sovereign citizens also do — that the Dred Scott decision was never reversed. (It was rendered moot by passage of the 14th Amendment). He went on to argue that, as indigenous Moors, black people never agreed to become U.S. citizens. The Moors had simply “granted permission for the Europeans to settle.” The presence of the “all-seeing eye” on the dollar bill, he says, is proof that the “visiting European nations” made a contract with the Moors — a contract, he says, that remains in effect today.



Eye of Providence
The Eye of Providence is a popular symbol among Moorish sovereigns. Many claim its presence on the dollar bill signifies a contract between the founding fathers and the supposedly “indigenous” Moors of Amexem.
Other Moorish Offshoots
Sovereign ideas have leaked into other black Moorish groups as well.

R. V. Bey, Noble Nature El Bey and Taj Tarik Bey, lead polemicists of the Moors Order of the Roundtable, propounds a nearly indecipherable political theory that melds sovereign concepts and an antigovernment reinterpretation of MSTA doctrine.

Central to their thesis is a rejection of the 14th Amendment, claiming it merely created a set of “artificial persons… . Black, Negro, Coloreds and African-Americans are not living people; these ‘tags’ are politically and lawfully ‘brands’ that have been put upon the Aboriginal Indigenous Moors of Morocco.” They refer instead to actual treaties made between the United States and Morocco (the traditional home of the Moors) in the late 18th century, which described a category of “Free Moor” who could not be enslaved or subjected to U.S. law, even as other Africans were being packed into ships and sent to the New World as chattel.

They advise Moors not to cooperate with the police or the courts. Government officials, he says, know they have no jurisdiction over Moors — and as long as Moors refuse to comply, there is nothing the courts can do.

Queen Renita Bey, a lecturer on Moorish nationality and sovereignty who is affiliated with a group called the Great Seal Moors, argues that as descendants of “visiting” Europeans who were never granted citizenship by the Moors, white people can never be sovereign in this land. “If they want to be sovereign, they’ve got to go home. They cannot be sovereign here,” she said in a 2008 lecture posted on YouTube. “If you walk into a courtroom and nobody else has the status to be there, automatically challenge the jurisdiction of the court. There’s nothing else that you need to state. There’s nothing else that needs to be said. Stand mute. Let them proceed, because, guess what, they cannot proceed.”

Oh, yes, they can, retired judge Robert McLeod, who was on the bench for 17 years in the municipal courts of Asbury Park, Holmdel, and Keyport, N.J. — recent hotbeds of Moorish activity — told the Intelligence Report. “They’d show up, sometimes wearing fezzes, sometimes in robes, and they’d pull out excerpts from treaties that were signed in the 1780s and the 1790s between the United States and the Barbary Coast states,” McLeod — who also happens to be a history buff — said of the Moors he encountered in court.

“Those treaties were with nations that existed independently for a short period of time, any treaty was totally abrogated by subsequent events initiated by the Barbary states. … I simply rattled that off at them, and they looked at me blankly, took off their robes and fezzes, and went back to their birth names, and pled guilty.”

Most of the Moors McLeod encountered were summoned for failing to pay tickets for motor vehicle violations.

“They were abiding by other laws; it’s just that they had these absurd notions which were taught to them,” the retired judge recalled. “If they persisted in it after I gave them my little lecture, I’d tell them they were in contempt of court.”

‘Free and Sovereign’
Not every judge can claim as much success as McLeod. Gaines-El, for instance, appears to have been summoned to court several times on minor violations, but his experience has not deterred him from repeated attempts to expatriate himself, dating back to December 2000. Just months before joining the U.S. Army in July 2001, Gaines-El recorded a “Declaration of Indigenous Identity” as “kin and family to this soil whose indigenous name is ‘Turtle Land’ and whose fictitious corporate name is America,” at the Allen County Recorder’s Office.

The phony document proclaimed that he belonged to the Great Council of the Thirteen Fires of Justice, United Mawshakh Nation of Muurs (some Moorish groups use that spelling of Moors). He also recorded a “Declaration of Nationality” stating, “I, Jabbar Gaines-El, declare that I am a free and sovereign individual of this land… . Any and all past and present affiliations implied by operation of law or otherwise with foreign entities are hereby, now, and forever dissolved and revoked.”

While serving in the army, Gaines became active on a message board on which members of similar “indigenous” tribes exchanged thoughts about uniting to form a more powerful movement. He dropped off the Moorish map after being honorably discharged in 2005 due to a combat-related injury, but took another stab at sovereignty in November 2010, acquiring a “Nationality and Right to Travel” card from the Autonomous Autochthon International Muurish Gansul.

The official-looking card identifies him as Jabbar-C:Gaines-El, of Moorish-American nationality and Naga Asiatic race. The card, which has no expiration date, also includes a “Tax Immune Number.” (The strange punctuation in Gaines’ name is straight out of the sovereign citizen playbook: Sovereigns believe that by writing their name that way, they are indicating to government officials that they are not subject to U.S. jurisdiction.)

In an interview this April 15 — Tax Day — with a local Fort Wayne TV news program, Gaines-El said that he does pays taxes, “but I do so under the threat of arrest or coercion.”

In early June, a new face — El Clay Kenyatta Blackburn Bey — hit the county recorder’s office with a fresh set of documents demanding proof from Indiana’s Superior Court that it has jurisdiction over his traffic violation case. If he did not receive a copy of the oath of office, oath of ethics, and “bond number” for “all state/government officials, employees, Judges, prosecutors, agents, clerks, and anyone who has touched or is in any way involved with this case” within 21 days, he wrote, he would presume that jurisdiction could not be proved.

Blackburn Bey may care only about getting out of a couple of tickets, but his actions reflect how the local movement Jabbar Gaines-El started in Fort Wayne — like similar Moorish movements inflected with sovereign ideas — is picking up speed. At the County Recorder’s office, John McGauley and his employees are keeping in touch with law enforcement and have begun to discuss strategies for handling the Moors’ filings.

McGauley doubts he’s seen the last of them. “They are absolutely organized,” he told Intelligence Report. “There may not be a hundred of them, but they’re absolutely organized.”

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57. "wild but it cant all be about child support, right?"
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an artist who hasnt put out any consistent art in years

and even he was, im sure lawyers and accountants could shuffle around random artist invoices to adjust his payments

or worse case just do your shows, make 200k/yr, pay the 100k you owe, and actually get to know your kids at some point



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58. "Why do I NEED ID, to GET ID???"
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60. "I guess he's a travelin' man, moving through places, space and time"
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Gotta lotta shit he's gotta do...
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i am

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63. "Remember when we thought the soulquarian rappers were deep?"
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Maybe it was just me tho because I was like 15 and stupid


But Jesus


Common is the epitome of fake deep


Mos doesn't know how to use a rubber



And Kweli is just a straight up herb

Hurts to type that man

  

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68. "Haha yea I think about this often."
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This is what I was getting at in the Rza post, re: my conscientious heroes from yesteryear now showing their true colors as we get older. Tough to witness cause they were so heavily responsible for my spiritual and social awakenings at my young age(s).

That said - I *do* give Kweli a lot of credit for actually sticking to his convictions. He practices what he preaches more than just about any of the other MCs/artists we followed (and continue to follow despite the perceived shortcomings) around here. So say what you want about how corny he is or isn't but at the very least he has stuck to his guns.

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69. "kweli is the one of a few popular rappers who actually reads books"
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killer mike, him and lupe

  

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72. "Yup. Not a fan, but I agree 100% on this point. He never changed."
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>That said - I *do* give Kweli a lot of credit for actually
>sticking to his convictions. He practices what he preaches
>more than just about any of the other MCs/artists we followed
>(and continue to follow despite the perceived shortcomings)
>around here. So say what you want about how corny he is or
>isn't but at the very least he has stuck to his guns.

  

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128. "^True..."
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Annoying as all get out but I believe he is well read and never gave up the ghost for thr dollars. He has my respect for that. Plus he didn't punch Don Lemon in the face, so he has the restraint of a saint.
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170. "Is it showing true color or growing the fuck up?"
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You see stay thinking the same way you did at 20 as conviction, to me that's lack of growth.



>This is what I was getting at in the Rza post, re: my
>conscientious heroes from yesteryear now showing their true
>colors as we get older. Tough to witness cause they were so
>heavily responsible for my spiritual and social awakenings at
>my young age(s).
>
>That said - I *do* give Kweli a lot of credit for actually
>sticking to his convictions. He practices what he preaches
>more than just about any of the other MCs/artists we followed
>(and continue to follow despite the perceived shortcomings)
>around here. So say what you want about how corny he is or
>isn't but at the very least he has stuck to his guns.


**********
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173. "You ah....you put words in my mouth. "
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And as a result dodged the point so.....yeaaaaa

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70. "i think kweli got cool again the last few years"
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n/m

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fairweather

  

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71. "Same."
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73. "Why throw them under the bus like that?"
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I personally am not huge fans of what both Kweli and Common have been doing as of late, but I have to respect the way they carved their own lanes outside of the Soulquarians roles both guys were in.

"Sean sparks like John Starks, nah, Sean ball like John Wall" - Rest In Power Forever Sean Price.

  

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75. "I still fux with Kweli, truthfully people just hold the way that he look..."
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>Maybe it was just me tho because I was like 15 and stupid
>
>
>But Jesus
>
>
>Common is the epitome of fake deep
>
>
>Mos doesn't know how to use a rubber
>
>
>
>And Kweli is just a straight up herb
>
>Hurts to type that man

& sounds against him. But on the other hand, we call out the other two for being posers, so you gotta pick a side. It seems weird to be superficial, and then call the other two fake deep. So in that case, I'll ride with Kweli, for the most part I agree with you on Com & Mos. Kweli is probably less herb-ish than we think.

  

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121. "Idk man you ever seen his twitter?"
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Dude sounds incredibly herbish at times


Most recently and notably was his little spat with Bomani jones


That was as herbish as he's been since his time on here

  

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172. "I guess, but everyone is a herb on twitter imo. It's a herb-ish platfor..."
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>Dude sounds incredibly herbish at times
>
>
>Most recently and notably was his little spat with Bomani
>jones
>
>
>That was as herbish as he's been since his time on here

  

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84. "meh....."
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None of us would end up looking good under the social media scrutiny that these guys live with. You could spend 20 years saying thoughtful, positive shit and the first time you misspeak or say something you might regret...that's what ends up defining you and shows up first in a google search.

  

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102. "Exactly."
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"They used to call me Baby Luke....but now? The whole damn 2 Liiiive Crew."

  

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123. "exactly."
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vonpea.com

  

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125. "Kweli has looked like a corny herb on multiple instances tho"
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Check his twitter if you need further clarification

Dude should really have a PR manager running his account at this point

  

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101. "Like Water For Chocolate was a beautiful album regardless of what follow..."
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We shouldn't be so eager to put rappers on intellectual pedestals and kick them off for being human later. I think Common *today* needs to get slapped in the face but I can still bump his old music with no qualms. Shit, even his Dreamer album was fire.


"They used to call me Baby Luke....but now? The whole damn 2 Liiiive Crew."

  

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159. "Of course !"
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>We shouldn't be so eager to put rappers on intellectual
>pedestals and kick them off for being human later. I think
>Common *today* needs to get slapped in the face but I can
>still bump his old music with no qualms. Shit, even his
>Dreamer album was fire.

It'd be ridiculous to *not* bump his classics just because of whatever you think of him now.

And, while I didn't enjoy the end product/the music all that much, I fully appreciate the direction Comm took with Nobody's Smiling. He almost took a back seat to young Chicago rappers to let them talk about the issues in his old neighborhood. Can't hate that at all.

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67. "I'm leeeavvviiinnnnn"
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Well go 'head and leave
That's the cry in Cape Town from the ANC
These cats is tryna send me back
My passport came in Cracker Jack
Tried to pay to stay but now they tellin me to pack a bag
Scenarios like this is real sad
For a broke MC, i.e. a deadbeat dad
Cause I just wanna travel, they got me in court battles
Gave me two weeks to leave and that's it, bang the gavel
Gossipers start to tattle
Put my name in the gravel
I struggled for all I had and now that shit it don't matter

*Jews you*

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76. "hilarity!"
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>Well go 'head and leave
>That's the cry in Cape Town from the ANC
>These cats is tryna send me back
>My passport came in Cracker Jack
>Tried to pay to stay but now they tellin me to pack a bag
>Scenarios like this is real sad
>For a broke MC, i.e. a deadbeat dad
>Cause I just wanna travel, they got me in court battles
>Gave me two weeks to leave and that's it, bang the gavel
>Gossipers start to tattle
>Put my name in the gravel
>I struggled for all I had and now that shit it don't matter

.
http://perspectivesudans.blogspot.com/
i myself would never want to be god,or even like god.Because god got all these human beings on this planet and i most certainly would not want to be responsible for them, or even have the disgrace that i made them.

  

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78. "*standing o*"
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peace & blessings,

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80. "ARCHIVE!"
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>Well go 'head and leave
>That's the cry in Cape Town from the ANC
>These cats is tryna send me back
>My passport came in Cracker Jack
>Tried to pay to stay but now they tellin me to pack a bag
>Scenarios like this is real sad
>For a broke MC, i.e. a deadbeat dad
>Cause I just wanna travel, they got me in court battles
>Gave me two weeks to leave and that's it, bang the gavel
>Gossipers start to tattle
>Put my name in the gravel
>I struggled for all I had and now that shit it don't matter


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118. "LOL"
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_

shakin your block with a 6 million dollar bop

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133. "+1"
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>Well go 'head and leave
>That's the cry in Cape Town from the ANC
>These cats is tryna send me back
>My passport came in Cracker Jack
>Tried to pay to stay but now they tellin me to pack a bag
>Scenarios like this is real sad
>For a broke MC, i.e. a deadbeat dad
>Cause I just wanna travel, they got me in court battles
>Gave me two weeks to leave and that's it, bang the gavel
>Gossipers start to tattle
>Put my name in the gravel
>I struggled for all I had and now that shit it don't matter

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I wanna go to where the martyrs went
the brown figures on the walls of my apart-a-ment...

  

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79. "yo for real for real? these ninjas almost had me on that don't pay"
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taxes because it's not in the constitution shit back in the day.

cats would be on the radio (i miss the old wpfw) popping mad shit. file exempt. i been doing it for YEARS, yadda yadda.

it was wild enticing. i coulda fucked around and been on that snipes before snipes (and minus the millions).

een now you know somebody reading this poast and bout to come in here guns blazing , and bussing at me for being sheeple for the whiteman AND the lizard people.

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83. "They had me wondering too."
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I heard that bull on college radio. I think it was a show that came on after the show that played underground hip hop. Those fools were talking all about how taxes were illegal, yadda, yadda, yadda. Would've messed around and got hemmed up listening to them niggas.




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117. "mos def. b/c even if shit is/was illegal, they sTILL arresting ni&&as "
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for that. and making examples.

>I heard that bull on college radio. I think it was a show
>that came on after the show that played underground hip hop.
>Those fools were talking all about how taxes were illegal,
>yadda, yadda, yadda. Would've messed around and got hemmed up
>listening to them niggas.
>

in principle, a blackman shouldn't have to pay NAAN taxes. in reality, i like being on the outside, so i'ma just go on ahead and handle mines until Reparation Day come.



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88. "GOT"
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Don't get me

  

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95. "Why a African American gotta have a passport to go back to Africa?"
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Africa needs to wake up and do right by us. that is wrong on both sides.
Black folks should never have to get no passport since we were taken away.

its a bad joke

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99. "Refugees usually don't need passports"
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But niggas comfortable with police brutality and racism watching Empire and gossiping about TMZ.

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113. "but they need travel papers/docs"
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>But niggas comfortable with police brutality and racism
>watching Empire and gossiping about TMZ.

which they can only get *after* registering with UNHCR (the UN high commission for refugees)

.
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i myself would never want to be god,or even like god.Because god got all these human beings on this planet and i most certainly would not want to be responsible for them, or even have the disgrace that i made them.

  

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135. "Hey, there are activists who petition the UN to investigate police"
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brutality.


"All the world's a stage,
And all the men and women merely players:
They have their exits and their entrances;
And one man in his time plays many parts..." -The Bard

  

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137. "wait... what does this have to do with refugees?"
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i myself would never want to be god,or even like god.Because god got all these human beings on this planet and i most certainly would not want to be responsible for them, or even have the disgrace that i made them.

  

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138. "Just that African-Americans would do better to appeal to the internation..."
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community than to try to negotiate with a hostile state.

Am I trying to conflate the plight of modern day refugees to the descendants of trans-atlantic slaves? No, but I don't see why someone's right to leave a nation-state that actively discriminates against/oppresses someone due to ethnic or racial heritage should be so readily dismissed.

Do those UN statutes cover us? No...but why should I be petitioning a government built on white supremacy to recognize my rights when there are African nations that could benefit from tapping into their diaspora, especially considering as how the formation of that diaspora led directly to the power dynamics between Africa and the West that exist today?

"All the world's a stage,
And all the men and women merely players:
They have their exits and their entrances;
And one man in his time plays many parts..." -The Bard

  

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142. "i think you might be talking about something different"
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refugees need to have fled their country, and to show that their country (of origin) cannot protect/provide for them
typically easier if you are fleeing a war or the government collapses
(which is why refugees then come under the protection/mandate of UNHCR
its a very specific status- and once granted- refugees usually do not have the right to work, own property, move freely in and out of a refugee camp etc)
its much harder to get refugee status because of persecution or if you have a functioning government
that's why the AA's situation in the U.S doesnt qualify for refugee status.

>No, but I don't see
>why someone's right to leave a nation-state that actively
>discriminates against/oppresses someone due to ethnic or
>racial heritage should be so readily dismissed.

i dont know who is being dismissive.
you can leave *this* nation-state quite easily.
and there's quite a number of countries where one can emigrate to - it might take a while to get permanent residency, but it is far much easier as an american than most other passport holders.
and believe it or not- its even easier for an american to travel within africa than it is for most of us africans travelling within africa
(for example- y'all can visa-on-arrival into south africa- i have to get a visa before i leave kenya)
so..i dont think anyone is being denied the right to leave america
(although i guess one can argue that this is the case if denied a passport due to having a felony or child support issues)
but again, this has nothing to do with refugee status, either

>Do those UN statutes cover us? No...

actually yes. the U.S is signatory to several human rights conventions
so is subject to periodic review by the UN
from which the UN offers recommendations- but the UN does not enforce, it recommends
so for example;

http://www.upr-info.org/sites/default/files/document/united_states/session_22_-_may_2015/a_hrc_wg.6_22_l.10.pdf

https://www.aclu.org/blog/speak-freely/un-issues-scathing-assessment-us-human-rights-record

"Mexico recommended that the U.S. "adopt measures at the federal level to prevent and punish excessive use of force by law enforcement officials against members of ethnic and racial minorities, including unarmed persons, which disproportionately affect Afro American and undocumented migrants."

> when there are African nations that could benefit
>from tapping into their diaspora, especially considering as
>how the formation of that diaspora led directly to the power
>dynamics between Africa and the West that exist today?
>

i find this interesting. I do think AfAms should be able to live and work in Africa
and honestly- in most african countries- its not that difficult to do- get a one-year visa, or visa on arrival.)
but i also find that most people here dont realize just how hard it is to live and work on the continent
especially without having qualifications - there are too many university graduates without jobs
when most of us move back- we also struggle just to make it -
so i dont know why people assume its easy

.
http://perspectivesudans.blogspot.com/
i myself would never want to be god,or even like god.Because god got all these human beings on this planet and i most certainly would not want to be responsible for them, or even have the disgrace that i made them.

  

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Lardlad95
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144. "I wasn't saying we meet the standard for refugees. "
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Just that AA's need to consider how we can appeal to the international community, and that a lot more of us should consider emigrating, particularly to countries run by people of color. I've become very disillusioned with the West.

I wasn't trying to make a comparison other than, "Hey, if other people make appeals to international organizations regarding their plight, maybe we should to." Thanks for those links though. I couldn't actually find anything about how the UN deals with US human rights abuses.

But just to reiterate I wasn't suggesting that we should or even could claim refugee status.

As for restrictions on travel...I do think that people with felonies being denied passports is very serious problem because for a lot of people that felony is born out of "the New Jim Crow". We have entire generations of black people who can neither vote in their own country nor leave that country that put them on the track to ruin in the first place.

Also, that doesn't mean though that I've got on some rose colored glasses about Africa. There are serious problems in terms of employment, infrastructure, etc. But I'd be more willing to put my talents to use helping African nations restructure themselves and grow than I am a country/region that actively oppresses its black citizens and works to keep Africa languishing as a second rate continent.

And tell me more about your travel restrictions within the continent. My girlfriend has a US and a Ugandan passport, and when she was traveling from Uganda to Rwanda she only really had to pay an entry fee of like $100, otherwise she was free to go from one nation to the next. Are the restrictions just specific to each country or are there areas where you can travel across borders freely like in the EU?




  

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145. "black dude applied for asylum in canada"
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http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/nov/11/its-so-dangerous-to-be-a-black-american-ive-sought-asylum-in-canada

i think they just recently denied him tho



maybe get a group of dozens or hundreds and try it and see what happens

of course the counterargument is blk ppl been building up this country from before the declaration was signed, so why should we be the ones to go?



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146. "Might as well ask if I'd like to work my way up in Morodor. "
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149. "he was seeking refugee status"
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thats a really hard case to make if you are coming from america
(actually from any stable country)
you would typically have to show that your life is in danger of persecution from the government
the key being it has to be fear for one's personal life
(one of my profs in college was granted asylum in canada during the Moi presidency in the late 80s. quite a number of activists actually)

he probably wouldve had a better chance trying to get permanent residency
its harder now than it used to be - and one would need to be a skilled worker
or study at a uni in canada and then apply for residency
or get a job offer or..

but refugee status?
its not that easy to get unless you flee from war

.
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148. "the un can only recommend. thats about it"
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>Just that AA's need to consider how we can appeal to the
>international community, and that a lot more of us should
>consider emigrating, particularly to countries run by people
>of color. I've become very disillusioned with the West.

what im trying to say is that nothing stops AAs from emigrating
in fact, its so much easier for americans to move abroad than the other way around
i dont know that there's a need to appeal to some international community
its a matter of packing up and moving
and in most countries- you dont even have to get a visa before you leave
and you can get a residency permit

>
>I wasn't trying to make a comparison other than, "Hey, if
>other people make appeals to international organizations
>regarding their plight, maybe we should to." Thanks for those
>links though. I couldn't actually find anything about how the
>UN deals with US human rights abuses.

the UN doesnt enforce - it only recommends
thats how it deals with human rights abuses worldwide
in very few cases are sanctions put in place - and even those rely on individual countries
so i dont know if appealing to that international community would lead to anything other than task-forces and commissions
and recommendations

>As for restrictions on travel...I do think that people with
>felonies being denied passports is very serious problem
>because for a lot of people that felony is born out of "the
>New Jim Crow". We have entire generations of black people who
>can neither vote in their own country nor leave that country
>that put them on the track to ruin in the first place.

as i said... that would be a legitimate claim
although having a felony would also make it harder to enter another country

>willing to put my talents to use helping African nations
>restructure themselves and grow than I am a country/region
>that actively oppresses its black citizens and works to keep
>Africa languishing as a second rate continent.

but what stops you from moving?


>And tell me more about your travel restrictions within the
>continent. My girlfriend has a US and a Ugandan passport, and
>when she was traveling from Uganda to Rwanda she only really
>had to pay an entry fee of like $100, otherwise she was free
>to go from one nation to the next. Are the restrictions just
>specific to each country or are there areas where you can
>travel across borders freely like in the EU?

i only hold a kenyan passport
if she was travelling with her ugandan passport she wouldnt need to pay for a visa across kenya, uganda, tanzania, rwanda, malawi and burundi - so she mustve used her american
(i think she needs to pay for a visa to ethiopia- kenyans dont have to but thats a bilateral agreement)
all that's fairly recent, btw - because of the EAC agreement
most other countries- i need a visa to travel (including to south sudan)
including countries where you can get a visa-on-arrival (south africa being a good example of)
whereas i have to get a visa before i leave kenya

.
http://perspectivesudans.blogspot.com/
i myself would never want to be god,or even like god.Because god got all these human beings on this planet and i most certainly would not want to be responsible for them, or even have the disgrace that i made them.

  

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176. "RE: the un can only recommend. thats about it"
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>the UN doesnt enforce - it only recommends
>thats how it deals with human rights abuses worldwide
>in very few cases are sanctions put in place - and even those
>rely on individual countries
>so i dont know if appealing to that international community
>would lead to anything other than task-forces and commissions
>and recommendations


Honestly it isn't supposed to do anything other than make America look like a nation of hypocrites. Kind of like how Jim Crow undermined America's image during WWII.

It's really about using America's greatest weapon against them....Marketing/PR.


>as i said... that would be a legitimate claim
>although having a felony would also make it harder to enter
>another country

That's the insidious part. You tag people for bullshit and then make them entirely dependent on the state and almost incapable of escaping their situation.

>but what stops you from moving?

right now? A really well thought out plan for how I'm leaving and what to do once I'm gone.


>i only hold a kenyan passport
>if she was travelling with her ugandan passport she wouldnt
>need to pay for a visa across kenya, uganda, tanzania, rwanda,
>malawi and burundi - so she mustve used her american
>(i think she needs to pay for a visa to ethiopia- kenyans dont
>have to but thats a bilateral agreement)
>all that's fairly recent, btw - because of the EAC agreement
>most other countries- i need a visa to travel (including to
>south sudan)
>including countries where you can get a visa-on-arrival (south
>africa being a good example of)
>whereas i have to get a visa before i leave kenya
>

Which countries have you traveled to in EA? What was it like before the new agreement?

  

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112. "maybe you are talking about a visa"
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because a passport is a document that allows you to travel across borders
it doesn't actually grant you access into any country
everyone needs a passport (or a legal travel document if unable to get a passport)
to cross the border, legally
(there are a few exemptions)

so maybe you are saying y'all shouldnt need visas or should have automatic residency in any african country
(btw, i thought ghana did that already?)
its a sentiment i agree with
african nations should do better about this
except now with y'alls rachel dolezals, how are *we* assured that we arent
letting massa in as well?

.
http://perspectivesudans.blogspot.com/
i myself would never want to be god,or even like god.Because god got all these human beings on this planet and i most certainly would not want to be responsible for them, or even have the disgrace that i made them.

  

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122. "i gots no love for rachael D and that is embarassing"
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and i feel African Americans should have ever right to get back home to the Motherland if they so see fit.

how can the United states even act all funny with us? and the same with Africa. we should be embraced automatically since we represent.

we are due that much with all things considered period IMO.

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103. "Yasiin Bey (aka Mos Def) released this statement "
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http://acountrycalledearth.com/2016/01/16/statement-on-yasiin-bey

  

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104. "He's out of his fucking mind"
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>http://acountrycalledearth.com/2016/01/16/statement-on-yasiin-bey

“A fraudulent document is one that “willfully intends to deceive.” The World Passport is meant only to be a World Passport, nothing more and nothing less. It is issued by World Service Authority as the administrative branch of the World Citizen Government founded in 1953. Because the passport presents itself as what it is – and not “pretending” to be a national governmental document – it cannot be considered “fraudulent.”

Please note that the South African government has no law against the World Passport. Whatever is not prohibited by law is allowed by law. Because they have no law against specifically the World Passport, they must recognize it. Even if they did have a law against it, that law would be in violation of South Africa’s constitutional and treaty obligations to respect fundamental innate and unalienable human rights. (See UN Charter, Articles 55 and 56 on UN member-state obligations to uphold fundamental human rights.)”



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PLUS he hasn't dropped a hot song in a minute.

He's got to work on one or the other.

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107. "i get it, the perspective"
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but...

  

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108. "These Syrians should have been buying World Passports"
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Fools

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115. "hotep logic"
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"Whatever is not prohibited by law is allowed by law. Because they have no law against specifically the World Passport, they must recognize it."

.
http://perspectivesudans.blogspot.com/
i myself would never want to be god,or even like god.Because god got all these human beings on this planet and i most certainly would not want to be responsible for them, or even have the disgrace that i made them.

  

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119. "lol"
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mhmm

_

shakin your block with a 6 million dollar bop

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124. "right? i can make up a Bikini Bottom Passport and if country xyz"
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don't specifically have a law against Bikini Bottom Passports, they gotta let me in?

lol. nah, fam. laws don't work like that.


peace & blessings,

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126. "Show up at the border like...."
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http://memecrunch.com/meme/2B9SV/no-consequences/image.png
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139. "i'm dyin. "
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peace & blessings,

x.

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191. "Hilarity! LOL!"
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Since 1976

  

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182. "Jimmy Buffett and Sammy Haggar are creating their"
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respective alcohol themed passports right now



  

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190. "Lol"
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Since 1976

  

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131. "http://cdn.meme.am/instances/62670677.jpg"
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http://cdn.meme.am/instances/62670677.jpg

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_______________________
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_______________________
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140. "please. he work for the embassy... on behalf of Imagination Industries"
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he told us everything we needed to know in that song.


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181. "oh jesus fuckin christ"
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Football is a simple game; 22 men chase a ball for 90 minutes, and at the end the Germans always win
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127. "Fist Lauren Hill went nuts, now this dude follows"
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129. "he's been nuts for about ten years fam"
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Sad but true

  

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130. "These jokers are deeper than Deep's deepest depth. It's crazy. "
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132. "Escaping the brutality of racist YT by running off to CAPE TOWN?"
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arguably the most segregated city in South Africa...?!

this dude so full of shit.

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136. "He's stuck in a Character - some kind of method acting disease..LOL. "
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147. "ok, that was funny"
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192. "My first thought. Hell South Africa period."
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http://i54.tinypic.com/2j51hj4.jpg

  

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http://www.kanyewest.com/

  

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152. "I knew this nigga was crazy when Alicia Keys was tryna give up the box....."
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& his dumb ass just wanted to order a hot chocolate.

  

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157. "lmao"
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153. "and he retired from music and hollywood effective immediately"
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I hurts me to hear Mos sound like such a fucking moron.

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156. "FUCK! BUT THAT OMFGOD ALBUM WITH MANNY FRESH!"
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I hope that out of his hands at this point...

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160. "That one hurt."
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IMMEDIATELY...........but I'll be dropping my final album this year.

Worst.

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161. "Also what the fuck does "as it's currently structured" even mean?"
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It's been "structured" the same way since the beginning of time.

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164. "bullshit. "
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154. "a country called earth! welcome to kenya, yasiin"
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although you will still need a visa and a valid passport, even though its a country called earth

lol, someone tell this dude the world passport is *not* a passport
a passport has to be issued by a valid, existing government.

and i cant believe he's bitching about ill-treatment in SA
he coulda been a positive influence by recognizing just how hard it still is for blacks in Capetown
he should've gone to some townships and then talk about ill-treatment
geez.




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155. "i used to hate the term 'smart-dumb' .... but dude is epitomizing it"
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158. "What a waste. I like 16 Blocks & Be Kind Rewind and black on Both Sides"
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Something the Lord Made was good too and he had a had full of good songs after Black on Both Sides. Mos head got swoll

  

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162. "South Africa is not here for Yasiin's shenanigans. (link/swipe)"
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oops.

http://www.okayplayer.com/news/south-african-government-issues-statement-on-yasiin-bey.html

It is very important to clarify issues in time. If not, people may not understand how certain matters are being handled, especially where the law is concerned. In this case, the matter we want to explain is the arrest of United States (US) musician and actor, Mr Dante Terrell Smith, also known as Mos Def and/or Yasiin Bey.

You are aware that Mr Smith was arrested in Cape Town when he tried to leave South Africa on a World Government of World Citizens passport. This was along with his spouse also a US national (with a US passport) and a minor (also on a US passport).

The major problem why he could not get on the Ethiopian flight was the document he produced at the immigration counter, the World Passport, which South Africa does not recognise. Immigration officers had also detected that his spouse and minor child had overstayed their visit to the Republic. Their visitors’ visas had expired in April 2014, and were therefore in the country illegally.

This must be clear, we have no reason, as a country, to refuse anybody entry or departure, as long as such travel is legal. Mr Smith himself has been a frequent visitor to South Africa since 2013. His first visit to South Africa was on 02 June 2013. He has entered South Africa ten times, and has always entered the country on a visitor’s visa (90 days exemption) using a US Passport, not a World Passport.

His last arrival in South Africa was on 30 November 2015, on a visitor’s passport, with his allocated 90 days to expire on 28 February 2016, after which, he attempted to leave the Republic in January using another document, and not his US passport with which he had initially entered the Republic.

We are guided by the Immigration Regulations. Regulation 2(4) lists the international, regional or sub-regional organisations whose documents we recognise, namely:

a) The United Nations, excluding its agencies, except for the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees

b) The African Union

c) The Southern African Development Community, and

d) The African Development Bank.

As you can see, the world passport is not recognised under Immigration Regulation 2(4). Proper procedure was followed for his arrest. A warrant was obtained (for his arrest). He faces charges for contravening the Immigration Act, 13 of 2002, as follows:

a) Section 49(14) of the Immigration Act: Misrepresentation made by Mr Smith (using a false identity).

b) Section 49(15) of the Immigration Act: Presentation of a document not issued by a lawful authority.

c) Section 49(2) read with Section 42 of the Immigration Act: Aiding and abetting his family to stay illegally in South Africa.

Mr Smith will appear for trial on 08 March 2016 to answer to the immigration charges.

His family has received an order to leave the Republic, by 29 January 2016.

As a democratic state that is so indebted to the international community for its trajectory of freedom, democracy and justice, we have no reason, whatsoever, to do anything consciously to undermine any person’s human rights.

Since the dawn of democracy, we have been open and will remain open and receptive to other countries and their people, as long as this is done within the confines of the law.

Our international human rights record is very clear, as shown by among other things, the volume of asylum-seekers and refugees we receive in the country every year, our liberal immigration policies, and the humane and lawful manner in which we deal with all persons, including those found to be in transgression of the laws of the country.

We find comments attributed to Mr David Gallup of the World Service Authority unfortunate and condescending, especially being preached to about the values and principles of former President Nelson Mandela when a matter is purely about adherence to our immigration laws. We have long demonstrated commitment the principles of protecting those fleeing from persecution. Even those who are facing threats, still subject themselves to our laws.

For all to be and feel safe, it is incumbent upon us to implement the law, without fear, favour or prejudice.

fuck you.

  

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174. "welp! there goes the world passport legitimacy"
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> a) The United Nations, excluding its agencies, except for
>the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees
>
> b) The African Union
>
> c) The Southern African Development Community, and
>
> d) The African Development Bank.
>
> As you can see, the world passport is not recognised under
>Immigration Regulation 2(4).

> Mr Smith will appear for trial on 08 March 2016 to answer
>to the immigration charges.


he's supposed to go back to SA to face trial or what? that doesnt make sense if

> His family has received an order to leave the Republic, by
>29 January 2016.

how would he enter the country? would they accept the world passport then or what happens here exactly?

who is Mr Gallup? he's whitesplaining mandela?

> We find comments attributed to Mr David Gallup of the
>World Service Authority unfortunate and condescending,
>especially being preached to about the values and principles
>of former President Nelson Mandela when a matter is purely
>about adherence to our immigration laws.

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175. "i'm sure SA would accept his USA passport."
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>he's supposed to go back to SA to face trial or what? that
>doesnt make sense if
>
>> His family has received an order to leave the Republic,
>by
>>29 January 2016.
>
>how would he enter the country? would they accept the world
>passport then or what happens here exactly?

SA says Yasiin's visa expires on 28 Feb. i dunno if he's in custody in SA or what. i dunno if the criminal charge works to extend his visa so he can stay in the country for his trial legally.

>who is Mr Gallup? he's whitesplaining mandela?

he made a public statement about the case. i dunno if he's Yasiin's representative.

fuck you.

  

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177. "so, will they accept this Bikini Bottom Passport, or nah? "
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interesting that they ain't let this slide an actually issued a formal comment on the matter.

but there'll still be some folks out here caping for mos' ability to use a makeshift document to get in and outta capetown.


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179. "this is the part i find amusing"
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>but there'll still be some folks out here caping for mos'
>ability to use a makeshift document to get in and outta
>capetown.

like some folk look at this like some sort of activism, down with the shitstem ish
im like really? try travelling on a *insert randomafricancountry* passport
and see how much empathy you have for yasiin

we got bigger problems than this

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178. "i know... but im hoping yasiin keeps it hotep and insists on worldpasspo..."
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show up at oliver tambo international march 28 on some
its this or die
*then* what will s.a. do?

(my SA friends who work with dept of international relations arent having this tho. even tho im like, 'free yasiin!)

>SA says Yasiin's visa expires on 28 Feb. i dunno if he's in
>custody in SA or what. i dunno if the criminal charge works
>to extend his visa so he can stay in the country for his trial
>legally.

i dont think you get arrested for overstaying a visa
maybe for trying to defraud a govt official..
i doubt bey is in custody. i also think all this wouldnt've happened if it werent for mr gallup's documents
(he's head of the world passport thing. i just thought it funny that SA basically told him to stop whitesplaining mandela to *them*)

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163. "Prefers the fire to frying pan -- interesting. "
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to each his own I guess.

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193. "^^^"
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http://i54.tinypic.com/2j51hj4.jpg

  

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165. "This dude done Wesley Snipe'd his self, C'MON SON"
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169. "So, how's he going to make a living from now on?"
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Maybe ghost writing for Ye and them?

  

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171. "well, he's an admirer of DOOM. maybe he'll relo to Bolivian, and "
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lace us w/ mixtapes w/ snippets of his previous shit, and every now an then book some club dates with doppelgangers. on some real rap powerball. you got a 1 in 5 chance of getting the golden ticket.

that might could work.

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180. "well, he could also move to 2nd phillippians"
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>that might could work.

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184. "right? they go hard at 1st Phillippians, but 2nd Phillipians except"
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World Passports, bus transfers, and expired jamba juice coupons as valid forms of id.

this dude got to get interviewed by steve harvey.


or a snickers commercial.


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183. "video where world service org (world passport issuers) talks yasin"
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https://vimeo.com/153306229

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185. "http://www.slantmagazine.com/assets/house/film/conversationsbamboozled_2..."
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188. "HAHA. perfect"
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