Since nuanced views are being pushed out of public discourse, here are the only two choices that apparently register anymore in America.

Where do you stand?

Poll result (50 votes) Pro-Choice (43 votes) Vote Pro-Life (7 votes) Vote

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_statistics_in_the_United_States

am very prochoice fyi.

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BTW, I just read this when I googled S,L and R and it's the dumbest thing I have read on the topic in a while.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jul/09/hillary-clinton-abortion-legal-but-rare


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Everything looks like Oprah kissing Harvey Weinstein these days

for that matter.

so it bugs me out how many people attach their vote to the candidate's pro-life vs pro choice stance.

it's also amazing to me how a candidate can have ideologies that will lead to policies and practices that will hurt a voter's life in 9 outta 10 instances. but if that 10th thing is pro-life vs pro choice and the candidate's stance aligns with the voter, the voter will support that candidate.




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I'm tryna be better off, not better than...

so its critical that we scrutinize candidates on where they stand on this issue
and remain vigilant
its ridiculous the restrictions that already exist

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i myself would never want to be god,or even like god.Because god got all these human beings on this planet and i most certainly would not want to be responsible for them, or even have the disgrace that i made them.

currently on offer
including none of that 72hr wait
or whatever else is on offer in the redstates

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i myself would never want to be god,or even like god.Because god got all these human beings on this planet and i most certainly would not want to be responsible for them, or even have the disgrace that i made them.

Nah but seriously I'm on the "her body, her choice" train.

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Meaning, some folks will have sex raw and with no pills, and say "oh well, if I/she gets pregnant, we'll just get an abortion." I mean, folks can do what they want, I just think that's the wrong way to do it

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I'm not against abortions for instances of rape and incest. I feel that a line needs to be drawn somewhere in regards to pregnancies that are the result of people not using birth control pills or contraception. This stuff is widely available and has been. People just have to be more aware of their choices so they don't even have to worry about going down that road.

WHAT A TIME TO BE ALIVE

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(I dont have a stance, Im not a woman. I would prefer my wife be pro-life because I want kids one day but even that isnt my decision. it shouldnt be used as a form of birth control, but it's definitely understandable in cases of rape or a woman simply being unprepared or unwilling towards motherhood. I guess this skews me in the direction of pro-choice)

He has no right to tell a woman when and where to create one (c)2Pac

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is false.

A few of my friends have had abortions, but it has only been a one time deal. If a woman is using it as birth control, abortion is the LEAST of her problems.

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That abortion as birth control discussion is way stupid.

And some dudes be getting like double digit number girls to have abortions.


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"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

as often as it's asked of women.

if the questions is gonna be asked at all, ask it of everybody...


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thinking that it damages women to have abortions, so they'll ask for those ignorant reasons. On some, "damn, if she actually wants to keep the next baby, it'll probably die" type of shit. I went to Catholic school, so they SURELY judged folks for getting abortions, and made it sound like your body and mind would be fucked up forever from getting one...talking about "the soul of the person is still inside of you"

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Some? Sure. A lot? Not even close. Stop using the exception to prove the rule. That's what pro-lifers do.

if they have 20 they should probably have that 21st if the need arises.

fuck you.

you doing something wrong.


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

The fact that a woman has had 21 abortions only tells me that she likely has had sex at least 21 times. And that's all it says to me. Anything else is me projecting my own shit on her and leveling unfair and useless judgment on her. I refrain.

fuck you.

Because only on the internet would someone say they wouldn't judge anything about a person having 21 abortions.

That shit is sloppy.

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"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

I only exist in the Internet. I'm a bot.

fuck you.

individually, but about folks who use that mentality, male or female.

And I would really be speaking more for guys, since that's the ones who tell me their stories the most. But I do know a few women who have had 4-5 abortions as well.

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she had issues, but she was clearly using abortion as her preferred method of birth control.

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"Where was the peace when we were getting shot? Where's the peace when we were getting laid out?
Where is the peace when we are in the back of ambulances? Where is the peace then?
They don't want to call for peace then.

Many of us have known a couple women who have done this, and I think since they stand out, many of us tend to latch on to them as it being one of the big problems with abortion, when it's really a relatively tiny number of women who do this.

everybody knows a career welfare family or two with multiple generations on welfare but have a Caddy or Lexus in the driveway but they're a relative minority of all welfare recipients.

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"Where was the peace when we were getting shot? Where's the peace when we were getting laid out?
Where is the peace when we are in the back of ambulances? Where is the peace then?
They don't want to call for peace then.

>everybody knows a career welfare family or two with multiple
>generations on welfare but have a Caddy or Lexus in the
>driveway but they're a relative minority of all welfare
>recipients.

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"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

im looking sideways at some of these anecdotes

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i myself would never want to be god,or even like god.Because god got all these human beings on this planet and i most certainly would not want to be responsible for them, or even have the disgrace that i made them.

My boy in college was 18 like me, and he called from outta state asking if he could borrow $300 from me to get one. He had got his ex girl pregnant...while he had a girl, and while she had a guy. I asked him why he would even risk that, going raw, n he said "I just didn't have a condom with me."

And he was working just 15 hours a week, making $6.50.

Point is, $300 is still WAAAAAAAAAAAAAY MORE affordable than a kid.

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how does that work?

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i myself would never want to be god,or even like god.Because god got all these human beings on this planet and i most certainly would not want to be responsible for them, or even have the disgrace that i made them.

it's not really that difficult.

>how does that work?
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that was an 'what is we gon do?' scenario


"using abortion as birth control" implies cavalierly going raw and spending the money and time to get an abortion afterward like getting a vitamin booster.

To me, if you know that both folks are able to conceive together, and you don't want a baby, yet you go raw, and for whatever reason decide to get the abortion, I see that as "using it as birth control" because it could have EASILY been prevented. Not that they have sex and then say "so if you get pregnant, we'll just hit up the Double P (Planned Parenthood) and take care of it" because it's never ever that simple...but if they have sex just for the feel of it, and think the pull out is good enough? Or that they just have great luck? How else would we describe it??

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>How
>else would we describe it??

'a personal decision made by an adult'

'a personal decision made by 2 adults'

'a personal decision that has nothing to do w/us'

'something about which it's useless and harmful to levy judgments'

fuck you.

And me saying I'm pro-choice = I'm pro-choice.

Me having an opinion on something doesn't at all mean I'm going around judging random adults for what they do.

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but anyway, you asked how else we can describe a situation where a woman decides to have an abortion after having had unprotected sex while knowing she and her partner are fertile. i gave a few other descriptions beyond 'abortion as birth control'.

and as i said before, use of the phrase 'abortion as birth control' includes a judgment. a covert, passive-aggressive judgment. stone-thrown/hand-hidden judgment.

maybe you don't use the phrase. maybe you do. *shrugs*

fuck you.

>and as i said before, use of the phrase 'abortion as birth
>control' includes a judgment. a covert, passive-aggressive
>judgment. stone-thrown/hand-hidden judgment.

actually especially this.
it immediately throws the blame to the woman/women
who want to and should have access to abortion - without reprimand
and you clearly see it when people talk about
'well i know a woman/women who have had 10-12 abortions'
(which i dont believe)
but there has been nothing yet in this post
talking about how many abortions our male friends have had
(yes, have had.i dont mean that in the procedural sense)

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i myself would never want to be god,or even like god.Because god got all these human beings on this planet and i most certainly would not want to be responsible for them, or even have the disgrace that i made them.

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as if I'm judging her, solely, in a misogynist tone...when I'm speaking on the COUPLE, as in both parties. Of course the woman is the one who ultimately decides because it's her body, but my whole thing is about what both sides do when they consent to sex.

I see where Akon is coming from in saying that calling it "birth control" is the wrong description. Either way, I'm not at ALL saying that the reason a woman chooses to get an abortion means she shouldn't be allowed to have one, that's nowhere close. I'm speaking for the majority of the situations I know of personally, where folks got abortions because they weren't protected, and I just felt that using birth control (condom/pill/etc) would have been more effective, and that's it. And this may not be the most common reason for abortions at all, I never said it was either.

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even if you are speaking for the couple
you are still making a judgement, that is based on misinformation when you use that term - abortion as birth control
it is not.
abortion is necessary because birth control methods have failed - whether because they were improperly used or not used at all
(and also when theres lack of access to the morning after pill -the restrictions to access in this country are some of the stupidest).

im not sure why you dont see this.
words (especially in *this* context)- carry meaning- which is why- here we are at pro-choice/life
abortion as birth control- when its the exact opposite of what it is- shifts the focus/blame to an individual's poor decision-making skills
(they couldve just abstained, or pulled out or...look, that woman has 12!)
instead of on the responsibility we have as a society to ensure that couples are able to make informed decisions
and also have options when they need it

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i myself would never want to be god,or even like god.Because god got all these human beings on this planet and i most certainly would not want to be responsible for them, or even have the disgrace that i made them.

Either way - 'abortion as birth control' is a judgment. I wouldn't/don't use the phrase bc it's needlessly hurtful and a waste of energy.

fuck you.

>and as i said before, use of the phrase 'abortion as birth
>control' includes a judgment. a covert, passive-aggressive
>judgment. stone-thrown/hand-hidden judgment.

abortion is one thing
birth control is another thing
they both serve the same purpose

the only real judgment combining the two (if a sexually active person wasn't on birth control) is irresponsibility, but even calling behavior irresponsible isnt judging it. it's just the opposite of responsible decision making

words and terms like "abortion", "birth control" and "irresponsible" all have meanings without implications

fuck you.

>abortion is one thing
>birth control is another thing
>they both serve the same purpose

birth control prevents pregnancy
abortion ends a pregnancy

how is this the same purpose?

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i myself would never want to be god,or even like god.Because god got all these human beings on this planet and i most certainly would not want to be responsible for them, or even have the disgrace that i made them.

supporting wanton fornication and general sluttery.

creating reasons to clutch the pearls.

i see it. it's all the same stuff. either way these trollops are out here fucking and not PAYING THE COST in the form of parenthood.

subverting God's plan for the world and all that jazz too. a trick of the Enemy.

it's all there.

pretty plain.

fuck you.

i dont understand how its being looked at in this post
as not taking responsibility
its getting together 300-500USD, driving to a clinic
having the procedure, recovering from the procedure etc
how is that *not* being responsible?


deargod who are these people?

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i myself would never want to be god,or even like god.Because god got all these human beings on this planet and i most certainly would not want to be responsible for them, or even have the disgrace that i made them.

for the fornication and the slut can be redeemed by being a good parent and raising the child successfully. of course this applies to BOTH parents...b/c this ain't about misogyny. though most of the duty to raise the child falls on the mother as it should b/c of gender roles and whatnot. so she's the one who'll bear most of the responsibility and she's the one who escapes that and the possibility of redemption through sainted motherhood when she chooses an abortion as birth control. if she had better morals she either wouldn't have laid down w/a man w/whom she doesn't want to raise a child or she'd have taken steps to prevent pregnancy. the fact that she failed on both counts means she deserves to be forced into a life of motherhood or else she won't learn the important lesson that her body belongs to men who wish to lay judgment on her about what she does w/that body. and the judgment doesn't just cover her choice to abort it also includes her choice to use actual birth control or not. anyway, her body and her choices belong to any of us who are equipped to judge her and she won't learn that if she escapes via abortion.

i mean it's all RIGHT THERE.

fuck you.

please, never change

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yes it's irresponsible to not pull out if you dont want kids. that's all it is, irresponsible. not bad, not a sin, not wrong, just irresponsible. drunk driving is also irresponsible, but at a much higher level because you're putting other lives at risk. that's something worth judging, abortion isnt

parenthood isnt for everyone, abortion is a way out and I support it as an option

really when we say abortion as a form of birth control we're speaking on people (both genders) who dont learn after repeated mistakes. outside looking in it's a pretty traumatic thing for a woman to go through emotionally and potentially otherwise, (rhetorically) why would someone even want to endure that multiple times?

>outside looking in it's a pretty traumatic
>thing for a woman to go through emotionally and potentially
>otherwise, (rhetorically) why would someone even want to
>endure that multiple times?

i dunno. that's on them.

fuck you.

>birth control prevents pregnancy
>abortion ends a pregnancy
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>how is this the same purpose?

nothing is wrong with either

please learn about what birth control and abortion actually are about

its not about preventing people from having kids
its about allowing couples to have the right to make a decision on when to have children and how many to have.
and its also about allowing women to safely space their pregnancies, so as to increase the chance that them and their babies survive pregnancy and childbirth.
otherwise she can have as many babies as she desires

lets stop with the foolish propaganda.

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i myself would never want to be god,or even like god.Because god got all these human beings on this planet and i most certainly would not want to be responsible for them, or even have the disgrace that i made them.

there's no propaganda

if people dont want kids they use birth control (condoms, medication, etc.)

if people get pregnant and still dont want kids, they opt for abortion

there are people who shrug it off like "I'll just get an abortion" and feel nothing of it. that's an irresponsible way to go through life

LOL

fuck you.

>if people dont want kids they use birth control (condoms,
>medication, etc.)

people who want children use birth control all the time
the issue isnt that they do not want children
the issue is that they want control over *when* they have children

>if people get pregnant and still dont want kids, they opt for
>abortion

there are many reasons people have abortions
not that they dont want children- many women who want to or already have children select to have an abortion
the reasons could be
*they got pregnant because contraception failed
*they dont feel able (financially, emotionally, psychologically, insertanyootherreason-here-) to have *this* child
*Circumstances may have changed
etc etc.

so no, its not about not wanting kids
its about making decisions about having a kid

>people who shrug it off like "I'll just get an abortion" and feel nothing of it.

which people are these?
you seem to think having an abortion is not taking responsibility
it actually is. its thinking through and realizing you cannot have *this* child,
scraping together money, a ride to the clinic etc
to get an abortion

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i myself would never want to be god,or even like god.Because god got all these human beings on this planet and i most certainly would not want to be responsible for them, or even have the disgrace that i made them.

>you seem to think having an abortion is not taking
>responsibility
>it actually is. its thinking through and realizing you cannot
>have *this* child,

which is why the whole 'repeated abortion is irresponsible' thing doesn't make sense to me. if anything just sitting back and letting the pregnancy progress and then giving birth to a child one doesn't want/isn't prepared to raise (at all or just right now) is 'irresponsible' as opposed to:

>scraping together money, a ride to the clinic etc
>to get an abortion

exactly.

that's why earlier i went off about the pregnancy and child birth being seen as punishment. or something. but this idea that not having a baby is 'irresponsible'...there's so much off-putting about that statement. and tru ain't the only one who's made it - not even in this post. so i'm not dogpiling on him exactly. he's just the conduit.

fuck you.

>>if anything just sitting back
>and letting the pregnancy progress and then giving birth to a
>child one doesn't want/isn't prepared to raise (at all or just
>right now) is 'irresponsible' as opposed to:

i really truly believe it was about refusing to take responsibility
didnt tell anyone she was pregnant, didnt see any doctors, just nothing
she found out she had twins on the day she was delivering.

to me *thats* irresponsible
and yes, the easier way out
certainly easier than having to drive across statelines (in some states)
wait 72 hours, undergo 'counselling' etc
etc

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i myself would never want to be god,or even like god.Because god got all these human beings on this planet and i most certainly would not want to be responsible for them, or even have the disgrace that i made them.