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"Chi Police officer charged w/murder of teen in advance of vid release (s..."
Tue Nov-24-15 12:04 PM by PimpTrickGangstaClik

          

The timing of this charge points to a cover up attempt right? It all seems so suspicious.
They fought for a year to keep the dash-cam footage sealed. Court ordered that the footage must be released by tomorrow. Murder charge comes just a day before the release.

Not to mention the $5 million dollar settlement when no one even filled a lawsuit against the city.

http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2015/11/24/457233148/first-degree-murder-charge-for-chicago-police-officer-who-shot-teen

First-Degree Murder Charge For Chicago Police Officer In Black Teen's Death

More than a year after prosecutors say Officer Jason Van Dyke shot and killed Laquan McDonald, 17, a first-degree murder charge has been filed against the officer.

McDonald was shot 16 times in October of 2014. Police say he had refused to follow officers' instructions as he walked down a street with a knife, and that he had punctured several cars' tires. An attorney for McDonald's family says he had his back to the officers when he was shot.

"Van Dyke turned himself into authorities this morning and is scheduled to appear in bond court today at noon," according to a statement from the office of Cook County State's Attorney Anita Alvarez.

We'll update this post with news from the bond hearing and a news conference by Alvarez this afternoon.

The Chicago Tribune says it's the first time one of the city's officers "has been charged with first-degree murder for an on-duty fatality in nearly 35 years."

The announcement comes as many in Chicago have been anxiously awaiting the court-ordered release of a dash-cam video of the shooting, worried that it could spark unrest in the city.

Ahead of tomorrow's deadline for the footage to be released, Mayor Rahm Emanuel and other community leaders have been calling for calm, while activists are planning protests – including one demonstration that would block a major commercial street on Black Friday.

A recap of the shooting comes from member station WBEZ:

"Officer Jason Van Dyke, who is white, shot McDonald 16 times. He arrived at the scene after other officers had been following the African-American teen as he walked the streets carrying a knife and refusing to follow orders. An autopsy report showed that the hallucinogenic drug PCP was found in McDonald's system, according to the Associated Press. Van Dyke's attorney says the officer feared for his life."
WBEZ adds that Van Dyke, 37, who was put on administrative duty after the shooting, had not received voluntary crisis intervention training, which focuses on options other than force to resolve conflicts.

In April, Chicago's City Council approved a $5 million settlement with McDonald's family, which had not filed a lawsuit.

Emanuel says he hasn't seen the video — but as he called for calm, he also said that from what he has learned about the case, "What happened here is wrong. There is no justification and it's profoundly hideous, in my view."

The Chicago Sun-Times recently filled in some of the details about McDonald's life, relaying the story of a young boy who was twice taken out of his mother's care due to abuse allegations. The newspaper reports that he was a ward of the state when he was killed, and adds that "McDonald was particularly close to his grandmother, Goldie Hunter, and was in her care until she died last year. His daily life seemed to unravel after her death."

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covering up what?
Nov 24th 2015
1
How after a year of stalling suddenly all the dominos fall together perf...
Nov 24th 2015
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the indictment came today likely b/c
Nov 24th 2015
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      RE: the 'cover-up' has failed
Nov 24th 2015
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I mean...if they could seal the vid, there would be no charges
Nov 24th 2015
5
      eggfuckingzactly
Nov 24th 2015
16
So many systemic issues here it makes me sick
Nov 24th 2015
2
RE: So many systemic issues here it makes me sick
Nov 24th 2015
4
      This is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard in all my life
Nov 24th 2015
7
      join the club.
Nov 24th 2015
9
      Wow. Fucking nuts.
Nov 24th 2015
8
           so i suspect this time the state charged first degree murder
Nov 24th 2015
11
                ^^^ seen
Nov 24th 2015
27
The Cliff Notes for the Uninitiated
Nov 24th 2015
12
i don't expect any violence.
Nov 24th 2015
15
RE: Went to the BK around the way and deleted the footage...
Nov 24th 2015
19
      YUP. That's my point
Nov 24th 2015
20
           the state's atty claims the indictment was coming next month
Nov 24th 2015
22
                do they keep a diary(?) for investigations
Nov 24th 2015
23
                     yes.
Nov 24th 2015
24
                          answered my question
Nov 24th 2015
34
                               She could be telling the truth. But I doubt it. And if so it's bogus.
Nov 24th 2015
35
Burn it down.
Nov 24th 2015
13
SHUTCHOA**UP!
Nov 24th 2015
14
Yeah! Burn up that place where I don't live!!! Right On!!!!
Nov 24th 2015
18
Exactly, there were certain posters, some from Chicago saying the EXACT....
Nov 24th 2015
31
Aren't you the "That little thug had it coming!" guy?
Nov 24th 2015
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      Definitely not.
Nov 24th 2015
33
the video will be released in 20 minutes. (link/swipe)
Nov 24th 2015
17
That nigger was on PCP Johnson (c) Chappelle
Nov 24th 2015
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YOU saw 'em !!!
Nov 24th 2015
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...
Nov 24th 2015
28
LOL@them passing the buck to civilian oversight boards = FOH!
Nov 24th 2015
29
      i dunno, the superintendent
Nov 24th 2015
30
So apparently a Burger King had some footage. (SWIPE)
Nov 24th 2015
32
what the fuck!?! expected but vile
Nov 24th 2015
45
they have video of the cops erasing the tapes...think about it.
Nov 24th 2015
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      if they did it on-site, probably, yeah
Nov 25th 2015
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           here it is, they're only releasing still photos, but still
Dec 02nd 2015
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CNN just showed the video
Nov 24th 2015
36
Dude was walking away from the cops smh
Nov 24th 2015
37
There also needs to be very stiff consequences on the other cops
Nov 24th 2015
39
...
Nov 24th 2015
38
the video
Nov 24th 2015
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Video link (shooting minus 5 min drive thru neighborhoods)
Nov 24th 2015
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he's laying there dead and the pig keeps lighting him up. jesus.
Nov 24th 2015
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      this why they hid this etc..the outrage when folks see that part
Nov 24th 2015
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He shot that boy because he didn't want to chase.
Nov 24th 2015
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They didn't even have to chase. There were 10 cops there
Nov 24th 2015
43
I truly believe this is the case in some of these situations
Nov 24th 2015
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You are giving this cop way too much credit
Nov 24th 2015
54
      exactly...this cop just hates us..point effin blank
Nov 24th 2015
60
They're taught that a knife-wielding attacker can close distance quickly
Nov 24th 2015
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      Yeah they had the option to stay in their cars
Nov 25th 2015
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      RE: a knife-wielding attacker
Nov 25th 2015
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Is the 1st degree charge a backdoor to let the cop walk?
Nov 24th 2015
44
that's the new thing, big indictment, bogus trial
Nov 24th 2015
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not necessarily.
Nov 24th 2015
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Premeditation is not a requisite for 1st degree in illinois..true Sowhat...
Nov 24th 2015
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      right.
Nov 24th 2015
62
16 times tho?????
Nov 24th 2015
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^^^^ why they are worried
Nov 24th 2015
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      Yeah but what did they expect to happen?
Nov 24th 2015
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           politicos are all crying for financial reform when police reform is need...
Nov 24th 2015
59
Mayor Emanuel was in the throes of an election campaign
Nov 24th 2015
53
this whole shit seems like a The Wire season
Nov 24th 2015
56
and nationally, BLM was HOT!!!
Nov 24th 2015
58
so maybe now u see why ppl are saying cover up...
Nov 24th 2015
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      i saw it from the top.
Nov 24th 2015
67
this periscope mannnnnn
Nov 24th 2015
63
This is ridiculous and a lotta white folks still don't get why we are up...
Nov 24th 2015
66
Having just watched the video, I'm literally sick to my stomach
Nov 24th 2015
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This shit makes me reconsider my stance on the death penalty...
Nov 24th 2015
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it should make you reconsider your stance on torture, actually.
Nov 25th 2015
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alvarez, the Cook Co state's atty is running for re-election in March 20...
Nov 25th 2015
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The horrifying behavior of Anita Alvarez (link)
Nov 25th 2015
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Fuck man.
Nov 25th 2015
73
i was excited by her initally
Nov 25th 2015
74
If Alvarez delayed the charges..
Nov 25th 2015
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no.
Nov 25th 2015
85
What in the fuck????
Nov 26th 2015
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the cops and everyone on the force who helped cover this up
Nov 25th 2015
77
^^^ They made false statements after having scene the video
Nov 25th 2015
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What is the punishment for an officer lying on an official statement?
Nov 25th 2015
79
crazy thing is...it's not gonna be that hard for him to get off
Nov 25th 2015
80
You make very rational points
Nov 25th 2015
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This is why the LAWS need to change
Nov 25th 2015
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also cops have this idea that
Nov 25th 2015
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      agreed completely, there is a wild west mentality
Nov 26th 2015
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           Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas method of policing
Dec 01st 2015
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14 additional shots while on the ground
Nov 26th 2015
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^^ and there's that.
Nov 26th 2015
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A lot of poor tactical choices by the police
Nov 26th 2015
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I wonder if there are e-mails that can be pulled from last year
Nov 25th 2015
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THIS BITCH MADE BAIL!
Nov 30th 2015
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The pigs pooled their money and paid his bail.
Nov 30th 2015
94
Ridiculous
Nov 30th 2015
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and this surprises....WHO exactly?
Dec 01st 2015
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1st Degree murder means he planned to kill LaQuan McDonald
Dec 01st 2015
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      no, in Illinois it does not mean that.
Dec 01st 2015
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           figured you'd be in here
Dec 01st 2015
102
wow
Dec 01st 2015
99
cmon dogg ..trump prolly paid for that
Dec 01st 2015
100
lol surprised?
Dec 03rd 2015
130
The other shoe dropped: Rahm clips police chief....(SWIPE)
Dec 01st 2015
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Rahm like "I got my job....NOW I GOT YO JOB!!!"
Dec 01st 2015
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no shock there.
Dec 01st 2015
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      RE: no shock there.
Dec 01st 2015
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      How else would he removed from office? can he be impeached?
Dec 01st 2015
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           nope!
Dec 01st 2015
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They KILLING rahm at this press conference.
Dec 01st 2015
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RE: They KILLING rahm at this press conference.
Dec 01st 2015
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I just don't see how he survives, given the settlement while officer
Dec 01st 2015
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      there is no recall and no impeachment process.
Dec 01st 2015
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           citing Rod Blagojevich as an example, makes me think that can change
Dec 01st 2015
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                the Illinois Constitution has an impeachment process
Dec 01st 2015
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                     LOL@the link, that's the same thing I read, haha
Dec 01st 2015
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                          maybe it'll happen.
Dec 01st 2015
117
                               LEGISLATION INTRODUCED TO ALLOW RECALL OF CHICAGO
Dec 10th 2015
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                                    i saw that.
Dec 10th 2015
135
Rahm last week: This is one officer, not about the Police Department.
Dec 01st 2015
115
...
Dec 01st 2015
118
Rham needs to apply for a position in Clintons campaign...
Dec 02nd 2015
123
Man, this is The Wire being played out IRL
Dec 02nd 2015
121
RE: Ronald Ronnieman Johnson, apparently there's other videos being
Dec 02nd 2015
120
yup.
Dec 02nd 2015
122
Videos out, same M.O. = no charges
Dec 08th 2015
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it seems bogus to me. (link/partial swipe)
Dec 08th 2015
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RE: Cedrick Chatman, apparently there's other videos being surpressed
Dec 09th 2015
133
Since the family accepted the $5 Million....
Dec 03rd 2015
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probably.
Dec 03rd 2015
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      I understand why they took it.
Dec 03rd 2015
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           i thought so too but apparently they DID have a lawyer. (link/partial sw...
Dec 03rd 2015
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           There was zero chance of that video getting FOIA'd
Dec 03rd 2015
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                Thirty pieces of silver can go a long way
Dec 03rd 2015
129
City Hall Emails Show Trail to Top Emanuel Aides (link/swipe)
Dec 15th 2015
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this bamma cant even lie right to save himself smh
Dec 15th 2015
137
Man, they just need to have smaller lies
Dec 15th 2015
138
not a surprise..told ya..The Wire
Dec 15th 2015
139
Well......
Dec 15th 2015
140
There is a verdict in the murder trial of Chicago police Officer Jason V...
Oct 05th 2018
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GUILTY: 2ND DEGREE MURDER
Oct 05th 2018
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      plus guilty counts for each bullet he fired
Oct 05th 2018
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           It's sad this passes for unexpected good news
Oct 05th 2018
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                i feel like people can finally be sad now. bad times.
Oct 05th 2018
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                     Saw someone else say "justice would be if he were alive"
Oct 05th 2018
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RE: Chi Police officer charged w/murder of teen in advance of vid releas...
Oct 05th 2018
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Yeah, that didn't make sense to me either.
Oct 05th 2018
148
legit shocked he was found guilty
Oct 05th 2018
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Jason Van Dyke sentenced to 6 years and 9 months in prison for shooting ...
Jan 18th 2019
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it’s a start, at least
Jan 18th 2019
151

SoWhat
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1. "covering up what?"
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fuck you.

  

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3. "How after a year of stalling suddenly all the dominos fall together perf..."
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I wonder if the prosecutors actually gave it a good old college try because the videotape release was going to happen sooner then later.

  

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6. "the indictment came today likely b/c"
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the video must be released by tomorrow.

i assume prosecutors and law enforcement and City Hall understand that if that video is out w/o the officer having been charged or w/o a charge even in the works then the public outcry might turn to outrage which might have disastrous consequences for the city and its image on many levels.

i assume that's why the indictment seems to have been fast-tracked.

w/o the video i wonder if the state's atty's office might've dragged its feet for months avoiding any action in the case while releasing details about the decedent that make him less sympathetic (PCP IN HIS SYSTEM! CRIMINAL HISTORY! ANTI-POLICE FACEBOOK POSTS! et al) to lessen the public outcry for a criminal charge against the officer. i dunno.

anyway, i don't think today's indictment happened as part of any cover-up. if anything the indictment says the 'cover-up' has failed.

fuck you.

  

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10. "RE: the 'cover-up' has failed"
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I think that's what was being referred to

the already full year that has passed

would have continued to pass

and the incident covered up

w/o the video

the BS being waiting until now

when they been had the video

i.e., w/o the video release this officer continues to skate

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5. "I mean...if they could seal the vid, there would be no charges"
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That is my uninformed hypothesis. I'm sure you clear up any misinformation I have here.

Somebody knows what's on the video and has access to it for a while. They choose not to go forward with charges until others (i.e. the public) knew what was on the tape as well

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16. "eggfuckingzactly"
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they towed the line as long as they could but they had to come clean now. bullshit that rahm hasn't seen the video

And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

  

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2. "So many systemic issues here it makes me sick"
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Would we have hit this point if there weren't any protests? Why so long? After all that's happened why does it still take a full activist/legal court press to get videotape released? If they knew the release was eventually going to have happened would they have charged the cop with murder? Did they charge him with murder in the first because they felt it was the case, or did they charge him with it to appease the protestors under the assumption its an easier case to 'lose'?

The problem here isn't dirty cops, there will ALWAYS be dirty racist cops. It's just that every time one of these things happen its an uphill battle and the system protects itself each and every step along the way.




  

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4. "RE: So many systemic issues here it makes me sick"
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Tue Nov-24-15 12:26 PM by SoWhat

  

          

>Would we have hit this point if there weren't any protests?

doubtful.

>Why so long?

right?

After all that's happened why does it still take
>a full legal court press to get videotape released?

hello.

If they
>knew the release was eventually going to have happened would
>they have charged the cop with murder?

possibly.

Did they charge him
>with murder in the first because they felt it was the case, or
>did they charge him with it to appease the protestors under
>the assumption its an easier case to 'lose'?

i suspect this is why the officer is charged w/murder:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-dante-servin-acquittal-met-20150626-story.html

^ the officer who killed Rekia Boyd was acquitted of involuntary manslaughter and based on the judge's ruling and their reading of relevant caselaw some lawyers and other experts say the state should've charged that officer w/murder. to convict on that manslaughter charge the state would've had to prove beyond reasonable doubt that the officer acted recklessly - w/o intending to kill anyone, not just Rekia. but at trial the prosecution's case proved that the officer acted w/intent - he shot at a person on purpose but hit Rekia instead. the law says the officer's intent is transferred to Rekia. so at trial it was proved that the officer knew what he was doing when he fired the shot that killed Rekia - that's murder, not manslaughter. that meant the prosecution hadn't proved its case and the judge rightly acquitted. which is outrageous. some have speculated the prosecution purposefully UNDER-charged there. i dunno.

>The problem here isn't dirty cops, there will ALWAYS be dirty
>racist cops. It's just that every time one of these things
>happen its an uphill battle and the system protects itself
>each and every step along the way.

agreed.

fuck you.

  

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7. "This is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard in all my life"
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>
>^ the officer who killed Rekia Boyd was acquitted of
>involuntary manslaughter and based on the judge's ruling and
>their reading of relevant caselaw some lawyers and other
>experts say the state should've charged that officer w/murder.
> to convict on that manslaughter charge the state would've had
>to prove beyond reasonable doubt that the officer acted
>recklessly - w/o intending to kill anyone, not just Rekia.
>but at trial the prosecution's case proved that the officer
>acted w/intent - he shot at a person on purpose but hit Rekia
>instead. the law says the officer's intent is transferred to
>Rekia. so at trial it was proved that the officer knew what
>he was doing when he fired the shot that killed Rekia - that's
>murder, not manslaughter. that meant the prosecution hadn't
>proved its case and the judge rightly acquitted. which is
>outrageous. some have speculated the prosecution purposefully
>UNDER-charged there. i dunno.
>

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9. "join the club."
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the way that went down was stunning.

and considering the judge's demeanor when he granted the defense motion for a directed verdict i assume he too was fuming at the prosecution for under-charging that officer.

fuck you.

  

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8. "Wow. Fucking nuts."
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>
>http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-dante-servin-acquittal-met-20150626-story.html
>
>^ the officer who killed Rekia Boyd was acquitted of
>involuntary manslaughter and based on the judge's ruling and
>their reading of relevant caselaw some lawyers and other
>experts say the state should've charged that officer w/murder.
> to convict on that manslaughter charge the state would've had
>to prove beyond reasonable doubt that the officer acted
>recklessly - w/o intending to kill anyone, not just Rekia.
>but at trial the prosecution's case proved that the officer
>acted w/intent - he shot at a person on purpose but hit Rekia
>instead. the law says the officer's intent is transferred to
>Rekia. so at trial it was proved that the officer knew what
>he was doing when he fired the shot that killed Rekia - that's
>murder, not manslaughter. that meant the prosecution hadn't
>proved its case and the judge rightly acquitted. which is
>outrageous. some have speculated the prosecution purposefully
>UNDER-charged there. i dunno.

  

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11. "so i suspect this time the state charged first degree murder"
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Tue Nov-24-15 12:35 PM by SoWhat

  

          

in part b/c second degree murder is a lesser-included.

i assume the officer will claim the shooting is justified and he'll have to prove that affirmatively. i believe if the fact-finder (jury or judge, depending on defendant's choice) finds that the officer's belief that he needed to defend himself or others was unreasonable then he's not guilty of first degree murder but guilty of second degree murder.

fuck you.

  

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27. "^^^ seen"
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12. "The Cliff Notes for the Uninitiated"
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With a fair dose of author opinion but fugg it....

So LaQuan McDonald is killed by an officer...
CPD does what it does....they did their best to hide that shit and cover their own...
Went to the BK around the way and deleted the footage...
Hid the offending detective on support duty...
Slid the family 5 million smooth w/o one (NOT ONE) contest in court...

Yet the nagging issue of the dash cam video still remained.

Fuck it...let's tie it up in court.

Judge like "Why you dont' want this shit out?"
CPD like "Yeah my nigga....its part of some investigation....this police shit my nigga....ya dig?"
Judge like "Hold up....investigation? YO investigation?"
CPD like ".....uh....investigations is investigation my nigga mehehehehe"

Judge like GIVE US US FREE on the footage.

Minute that shit happened...CPD start planning this nigga going away party.

Still trying to manipulate shit...they ramping up the "BUT HE ALREADY IN JAIL" rhetoric for the inevitable protests.

Shit...I got people hitting me up to couch surf for a week already and the shit don't drop until tomorrow.

Same shit. Different day.

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15. "i don't expect any violence."
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and i'm kinda bothered by all of the talk of impending violence in the wake of the video release. b/c it kinda creates space for violence.

fuck you.

  

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19. "RE: Went to the BK around the way and deleted the footage..."
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holy shit, this is THAT case!?

I remember this story when it first broke

excuse me, I just put that together

WTF takes over a year for an investigation riddled with criminal activity from the gate?

WHAT

THE

FUCK!?

heads need to roll behind this, beyond officer trigger happy.

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20. "YUP. That's my point"
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>heads need to roll behind this, beyond officer trigger happy.

There's always gonna be shady cops but the way this was handled was intentional and with complicit permission with higher ups.

Like how was Rahm a day ago saying he never saw the video? LOLZ. Even if he's telling the truth it's a horrendously bad fucking look that he's ignorant to the case.

The thing is id strike it up to classic Chicago corruption, but this is par on course for pretty much every police department nationwide.

  

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22. "the state's atty claims the indictment was coming next month"
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and it was fast-tracked b/c of today's video release.

http://chicagoist.com/2015/11/24/jason_van_dyke_anita_alvarez_laquan.php

"Alvarez defended the length of time the investigation took, telling reporters she "would never be pressured into making any kind of decision quickly," that she was going to take her time to make sure "we get it right," and that investigating a police officer is "different than one gang member shooting another."

She said she made the decision to charge Van Dyke with murder "several weeks ago, internally," and was not motivated by the separate court ruling to release the video to the public. She said the investigation was sped up to conclude about a month faster than it otherwise would have, but that its conclusions are solid."

^^...mmm-hmm. i don't believe it but that's what she said.

fuck you.

  

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23. "do they keep a diary(?) for investigations"
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? I'm sure there's a better term

but it would appear to me, that all of the evidence being released now

was available if not immediately, within a couple of weeks of the incident

video!
forensics
autopsy
interviews
witness testimony

what exactly have they actually been doing on the case for the last year

that they only arrived at the decision to charge recently?

these officer involved shootings seem to turn prosecutors into defense attorneys, IMO

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24. "yes."
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and all of this can really only be addressed when the state's attorney is set for re-election in a few years. i dunno that there's any civil claim for prosecutorial misconduct or any available criminal charge to be filed b/c this prosecutor filed a criminal charge 'late'. especially since she can easily claim the charge came 'so many' months after the shooting b/c her office 'wanted to get the charge right'. of course, that could be and likely is some ol' bullshit but....

fuck you.

  

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I was about to ask you, from your legal perspective, if you bought any of that shit

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35. "She could be telling the truth. But I doubt it. And if so it's bogus."
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The fedz are investigating a possible civil rights criminal case. Maybe her office wanted to wait and announce a criminal indictment when that investigation is done, as she claims. But that's not a necessity. Meanwhile the state has had pretty strong murder evidence for several months. I think it's bullshit to have waited and she will hopefully have to answer for this in her next election campaign. I am cynical and others too and with good reason - too many shenanigans going on in her office for us to trust that she would've sought an indictment without public pressure.

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13. "Burn it down."
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14. "SHUTCHOA**UP!"
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18. "Yeah! Burn up that place where I don't live!!! Right On!!!!"
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31. "Exactly, there were certain posters, some from Chicago saying the EXACT...."
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same thing when shit was popping off down this way.

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21. "Aren't you the "That little thug had it coming!" guy?"
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33. "Definitely not."
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17. "the video will be released in 20 minutes. (link/swipe)"
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http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-chicago-cop-shooting-video-release-laquan-mcdonald-20151124-story.html

The city of Chicago plans to release the police video of the Laquan McDonald shooting Tuesday afternoon, coinciding with a 4:30 p.m. news conference at Chicago Police Department headquarters, according to sources familiar with the decision.

Mayor Rahm Emanuel and Chicago police Superintendent Garry McCarthy will hold the news conference but the video is expected to be released after their remarks.

More details to come.

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25. "That nigger was on PCP Johnson (c) Chappelle"
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26. "YOU saw 'em !!!"
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28. "..."
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press conference now. sounds like it's pretty damn bad

  

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29. "LOL@them passing the buck to civilian oversight boards = FOH!"
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cowardly.

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30. "i dunno, the superintendent"
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seems pretty smug. didn't like it. wash rinse repeat
with these scenarios. sooner or later somethings
gotta give.

  

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32. "So apparently a Burger King had some footage. (SWIPE)"
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http://gawker.com/burger-king-manager-says-chicago-cops-deleted-surveille-1744477488?sidebar_promotions_icons=testingon&utm_expid=66866090-67.e9PWeE2DSnKObFD7vNEoqg.2&utm_referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com%2F

There was surveillance footage of the fatal encounter between Chicago police officer Jason Van Dyke and a teenage suspect in the parking lot of a Burger King—until the cops came and a substantial portion of the video mysteriously vanished, a restaurant manager says.

On Tuesday, Van Dyke was indicted on first-degree murder charges in connection with the sixteen shots he fired into 17-year-old Laquan McDonald while responding to an Oct. 20, 2014 report of an armed man in the Burger King parking lot.


Chicago Police Officer Charged With Murder After Shooting a Black Teenager Sixteen Times
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The fatal incident was caught on Van Dyke’s dashcam, which became the subject of a protracted legal battle between the media and the police, who argued its release would “hamper ongoing investigations.” Last week a judge finally ordered the video—described by one witness as “an execution”—be released by Nov. 25.

But there may have been other footage the public will never see: According to a Burger King district manager, almost an hour-and-a-half of pertinent surveillance recording disappeared the night of the shooting.

According to NBC, the restaurant—located at 4060 S Pulaski Rd—boasts a series of outdoor security cameras that ostensibly captured the lead up to the shooting (which may have actually concluded outside the range of the cameras.)

But an inexplicable gap emerged after cops examined the footage. Via NBC:

After the shooting, according to Jay Darshane, the District Manager for Burger King, four to five police officers wearing blue and white shirts entered the restaurant and asked to view the video and were given the password to the equipment. Three hours later they left, he said.

The next day, when an investigator from the Independent Police Review Authority asked to view the security footage, it was discovered that the 86 minutes of video was missing.
Darshane tells NBC the cameras and video recorder were “on and working properly” the night of the shooting.

“We had no idea they were going to sit there and delete files,” Darshane said. “I mean we were just trying to help the police officers.”

A spokesperson for the Independent Police Review Authority tells NBC in a statement, “We have no credible evidence at this time that would cause us to believe CPD purged or erased any surveillance video.”

The dashcam footage is expected to be released sometime on Wednesday.

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45. "what the fuck!?! expected but vile"
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50. "they have video of the cops erasing the tapes...think about it."
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83. "if they did it on-site, probably, yeah"
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this would be dynamite in a civil trial. that $5M looking like a bargain now.

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119. "here it is, they're only releasing still photos, but still"
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http://www.nbcchicago.com/investigations/Burger-King-Missing-Minutes-Laquan-McDonald-359074551.html

how fuckin' stupid can you be, erasing surveillance footage while you're under surveillance

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36. "CNN just showed the video"
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That's murder. Straight up. Murder.

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37. "Dude was walking away from the cops smh"
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The whole time the police were on the scene he was increasing the distance from them (i.e the "threat" was decreasing)

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39. "There also needs to be very stiff consequences on the other cops"
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when it comes to reporting.

There were more then a handful of cops on the scene, and they all presumably backed up the shooter that said the kid was 'lunging' at him.

Where's the punishment there? MAYBE some vacation time if they even care to bring it to that level since as of now everyone is focused on the shooter not the assholes that helped him get away with it for a year? Id lose some vacation time for my 'bros' if I felt it was us against the world easily.

There has to be harsher penalties for false reporting.

  

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40. "the video"
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ix2N6_jLAgA

  

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41. "Video link (shooting minus 5 min drive thru neighborhoods) "
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http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/video-laquan-mcdonalds-killing-be-released-chicago-braces-protests-n469171



What's ridiculous is nobody thought to even see if he was okay. They treated him worse than a dog. Nobody came and held his hand while he was dying. Nobody came and said the ambulance is on the way. No tourniquet, CPR or nothing. They just shot him and left him there. Maybe they knew after 16 bullets there was no way but got damn. That was something to see them shooting him and leaving him for dead like that. Or maybe they did treat him like a dog and put a few more bullets in him to finish him off. I'm just in awe at the callousness and casualness of the whole thing.

  

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47. "he's laying there dead and the pig keeps lighting him up. jesus."
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61. "this why they hid this etc..the outrage when folks see that part"
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not to mention straight out murder

  

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42. "He shot that boy because he didn't want to chase."
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43. "They didn't even have to chase. There were 10 cops there "
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They could have drawn their guns, boxed him in and told him to put the knife down.

  

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48. "I truly believe this is the case in some of these situations"
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i also think think cops just have irrational fear. the dude was so far away. he's not even close enough to hurt them, but the fear of losing their life takes over. Its such stupid logic. they act as if these guys are ninjas and can kill them with that knife from 20 feet away.

  

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54. "You are giving this cop way too much credit"
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The cop that killed the man in the staircase in bk during verticals, sure. This guy???? Hell no.

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60. "exactly...this cop just hates us..point effin blank"
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>The cop that killed the man in the staircase in bk during
>verticals, sure. This guy???? Hell no.

  

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65. "They're taught that a knife-wielding attacker can close distance quickly"
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Assuming the officer claims innocence, he'll clearly claim that the kid was still a threat to him, even from that distance.

I'm not saying it'll be successful or it's right, but if anyone has been paying attention to how these sagas play out, you'll see that they're trained to be paranoid and given wide latitude on their decisions while under duress.

They just have to prove that the threat they perceived was remotely reasonable and most juries will say "Well, he's in a dangerous job and he needed to protect himself".

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70. "Yeah they had the option to stay in their cars"
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They didn't have to do that at all....

  

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76. "RE: a knife-wielding attacker "
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to my knowledge

he didn't attack anybody

I also just heard a commentator state that the police on the scene never even saw him actually committ a crime

as in, they didn't actually see him stabbing tires

they were called to the scene and responded to calls that somebody was slashing tires

they didn't actually see him do that though, to my knowledge

I'm sure you can remove all context and paint an omnious picture based on other cases and their outcome

in this specific example, given the context

you have a dude walking in the street with a knife (<-- Is this even a crime?)

shot and killed within seconds of officer trigger happy arriving on the scene

you don't know how long the other officers were on the scene

why not use non-lethal force

why fire 15 more times

why attempt to reload

homie was acting erratic, for sure

but proving he was a threat to persons, or as you stated, a knife wielding attacker

yeah, that never happens.

one of my favorite arguments from cops

'I feared for my safety'

is easy to counter, especially in this case

why get out of the car?

you're inside a metal box that will protect you from a knife

and you chase down the suspect in your car and get out

i.e., he put himself in as much danger as he possibly could

Laquan ain't do that.

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44. "Is the 1st degree charge a backdoor to let the cop walk?"
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I can see him beating a 1st degree charge here.

  

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46. "that's the new thing, big indictment, bogus trial"
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e.g. that female cop who killed some old man as he laid there convulsing.

And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

  

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51. "not necessarily."
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Van Dyke can be convicted of 2nd degree murder if the fact-finder (judge or jury, depending) finds that he killed McDonald w/o justification but unreasonably believed the act was justified. here i assume Van Dyke believed the shooting was justified b/c McDonald presented a danger to Van Dyke and/or his partner and/or other officers on the scene and/or the public. if the belief is found to be unreasonable (like b/c McDonald was walking AWAY from the officer(s) when Van Dyke shot him dead) then Van Dyke can be convicted of 2nd degree murder.

of course, if the fact-finder agrees that Van Dyke reasonably feared for his life and/or that of another officer then he is likely to be acquitted.

fuck you.

  

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57. "Premeditation is not a requisite for 1st degree in illinois..true Sowhat..."
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62. "right."
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fuck you.

  

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49. "16 times tho????? "
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It's not for me to tell someone in that community to do anything but keep the pressure on these public officials to prosecute this criminal to the fullest. All I want is a conviction right now.

The larger thing I need to work on personally is not allowing people to exploit my pain from this senseless act of violence and every senseless act of violence carried out against other innocent black people. These news outlets and some media personalities aren't doing anything to help but instead exploit our pain. My challenge is to not allow them to do this and stay focused on these issues.

It goes without saying that violence won't solve anything but perpetuate this myth of black rage. Then again, I'm not there so fuck my opinion about what they should and should not do. Please exercise caution is a better message so I'll go with that.

  

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52. "^^^^ why they are worried"
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>It's not for me to tell someone in that community to do
>anything but keep the pressure on these public officials to
>prosecute this criminal to the fullest. All I want is a
>conviction right now.
>
>The larger thing I need to work on personally is not allowing
>people to exploit my pain from this senseless act of violence
>and every senseless act of violence carried out against other
>innocent black people. These news outlets and some media
>personalities aren't doing anything to help but instead
>exploit our pain. My challenge is to not allow them to do this
>and stay focused on these issues.
>
>It goes without saying that violence won't solve anything but
>perpetuate this myth of black rage. Then again, I'm not there
>so fuck my opinion about what they should and should not do.
>Please exercise caution is a better message so I'll go with
>that.

  

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55. "Yeah but what did they expect to happen?"
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I'm damn tired of seeing these monsters kill innocent black people, get away, and have the American public side with them due to race.

Bear in mind, we've seen a white police officer in Cincinnati headshot a black male in first person this year.

All of these incidents wear on people so I hope officials realize now is the time to deliver justice. This monster should've been charged and prosecuted last year.

TL;DR I want peace as well. How many times does stuff like this have to happen for people to at the bare minimum put these fucks in jail?

  

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59. "politicos are all crying for financial reform when police reform is need..."
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>I'm damn tired of seeing these monsters kill innocent black
>people, get away, and have the American public side with them
>due to race.
>
>Bear in mind, we've seen a white police officer in Cincinnati
>headshot a black male in first person this year.
>
>All of these incidents wear on people so I hope officials
>realize now is the time to deliver justice. This monster
>should've been charged and prosecuted last year.
>
>TL;DR I want peace as well. How many times does stuff like
>this have to happen for people to at the bare minimum put
>these fucks in jail?

  

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53. "Mayor Emanuel was in the throes of an election campaign"
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when this shooting happened - the shooting happened in October 2014 and the election was in February 2015.

he faced an actual challenge which is basically unheard of for an incumbent mayor.

i totally forgot about that.

the $5 million dollar settlement between the city and the McDonald family came right around the time of the election. i remember being skeptical about its timing.

fuck you.

  

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56. "this whole shit seems like a The Wire season"
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>when this shooting happened - the shooting happened in
>October 2014 and the election was in February 2015.
>
>he faced an actual challenge which is basically unheard of for
>an incumbent mayor.
>
>i totally forgot about that.
>
>the $5 million dollar settlement between the city and the
>McDonald family came right around the time of the election. i
>remember being skeptical about its timing.
>

  

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58. "and nationally, BLM was HOT!!!"
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remember all those highway protests

NYC
Ferguson
to LA

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64. "so maybe now u see why ppl are saying cover up..."
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prototype

stand ur ground, believe in urself,
believe in love, prepare urself for love, remove the negativity from ur life, and accept the love u kno u deserve

  

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67. "i saw it from the top."
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i'd thought homie was saying the release of the video and/or the issuance of the indictment was part of a cover-up. i was puzzled by that. but we cleared that up hours ago.

fuck you.

  

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63. "this periscope mannnnnn"
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https://t.co/JTOoBgDs3S

straight from the frontline
it is getting ugly in chi

edit: that one ended but catch another live feed from him....
he is still running streaming

edit: this is a chicago tribune reporter

the key to happiness is not being rich;
it's doing something arduous and
creating something of value and then
being able to reflect on the fruits of your labor

  

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66. "This is ridiculous and a lotta white folks still don't get why we are up..."
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If this was happening to white ppl damn near once a month many heads would have been rolled... But this would never happen to white ppl

prototype

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believe in love, prepare urself for love, remove the negativity from ur life, and accept the love u kno u deserve

  

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68. "Having just watched the video, I'm literally sick to my stomach"
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between the actual act, and the attempted coverup (deletion of video, trying to suppress the release of the video). If no conviction comes of this, then it truly is open season on the citizens of the country. Police reform is overdue.

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69. "This shit makes me reconsider my stance on the death penalty..."
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Which I am against.
But with this cop. With this police force. With all the lies. With all the attempted supression. Fuck it. Fry 'em. Give everyone involved jail time. They gotta have some real fucking consequences for this shit.

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"You can't beat white people. You can only knock them out."

  

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75. "it should make you reconsider your stance on torture, actually."
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when you kill someone, they get off easy. they get to be dead. they don't have to deal with the consequences of their actions in this world. they get to be off in some other dimension with a new "life".

nah. torture.

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71. "alvarez, the Cook Co state's atty is running for re-election in March 20..."
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She has said she decided to seek a murder charge weeks ago and planned to announce her decision in about a month. That would be around late December/early January. Which might be near the time she would begin her re-election campaign.

Did she mean to use the announcement of a murder charge in this case to help her campaign? Could that be part of what caused the delay here? I already suspect the mayor put pressure on her/her office to cool this case due to his election campaign late last year and early this year. But what about HER upcoming campaign?

I dunno. (C) Donald Trump

fuck you.

  

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72. "The horrifying behavior of Anita Alvarez (link)"
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http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/11/24/1453982/-The-horrifying-behavior-of-Anita-Alvarez-Chicago-s-head-prosecutor

fuck you.

  

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73. "Fuck man."
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"Here's another mind blowing example of Alvarez's terrible use of discretion. In 2010, Tiawanda Moore filed a complaint with the Chicago Police Department, claiming that she had been sexually harassed by law enforcement. She said that a Chicago police officer had come to her house because of a domestic complaint, asked to speak to her in the bedroom, and then touched and grabbed her breast.

After she filed a complaint, she was threatened by two internal affairs investigators who tried to convince her not to pursue the issue. Sensing something shady was going on, Moore recorded the conversation with the investigators on her cell phone. But the officer and investigators weren't punished. Instead Alvarez's office charged Moore with violating the state's (now non-existent) wiretapping law. The charge could have meant up to 15 years in prison. Luckily, in a great example of jury nullification, she wasn’t convicted. Said one juror, "Everybody thought it was just a waste of time and that (Moore) never should have been charged."

http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/2013/10/Chris-Rock-HUH-WTF.gif

What a horrible, horrible person.

  

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74. "i was excited by her initally"
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b/c she promised so much reform when she ran. she was all about breaking up the 'old boys network' that existed in the office.

anyway, Kim Foxx is challenging her in the upcoming March 2016 primary. she might get my vote but not my excitement. i won't be fooled again!

http://www.chicagomag.com/Chicago-Magazine/Felsenthal-Files/October-2015/Kim-Foxx/

Why Kim Foxx is Challenging Anita Alvarez for State’s Attorney

Toni Preckwinkle’s former chief of staff faces off against the incumbent in the March primary.

Kim Foxx, 43, has one of those life stories that is made for politics: She started out in Cabrini-Green with a father who wasn’t around much and a mother who suffered from depression. After being homeless for a time in high school, Foxx managed to escape Chicago and earn her undergraduate and law degrees and to work her way up in the state’s attorney’s office, eventually working under Anita Alvarez, the two-term incumbent whom Foxx is trying to defeat in the Democratic primary next March.

She most recently served as chief of staff to Cook County Board President Toni Preckwinkle, who is doing all she can to help Foxx oust Alvarez.

Foxx lives in suburban Flossmoor with her husband and her two daughters, ages 9 and 12. She and I talked by telephone for well over an hour about her reasons for running and her personal history. Here is an edited and condensed transcript of our conversation.

When you arrived at the state’s attorney’s office in 2001, Richard Devine was in charge, but you stayed long enough that you were working for Alvarez after she was elected state’s attorney. Was she somebody you admired, or somebody you were frustrated with? What drives you to run against her?

When she was in management at the state’s attorney’s office , she was someone that a lot of us looked up to, particularly because she was a woman a woman of color. That office was very male-dominated with very little diversity. Seeing women, and women of color, gave you hope that there was an opportunity to advance. When she was elected, I think there was a hope for some cultural sensitivity, and competence, and recognition of the women in the workplace having value, and promoting that.

How did that work out?

I was sorely disappointed, because it was none of those things when she took over. She’d come to the office in 1986, when there were even fewer women in positions there, and she had an opportunity to really change the narrative. Mr. Devine, in his waning days, promoted me to a supervisory position, but I was one of only a handful of people of color in a management position. We never really increased those numbers.

One of the most disturbing things to me was—we have the gangs unit at 26th and California, and when you’d walk into that unit there’d be mug shots of the various people who were convicted. It was almost like a trophy wall of humans. And for a lot of people there, it was quite crass. And there was the belief that , too, thought it was crass, and that when she came on board they would take that down. And it never came down.

She took away discretion; she was very much needing to prove that she would be tough on crime, as opposed to thoughtful or smart on crime, and was very much concerned about her image as a atate’s attorney, as opposed to what justice looked like.

Did you ever talk to her about your concerns, about wanting to have a different kind of ethic in the office?

Not at all. She isolated herself from staff. I will say she was more accessible before she had become state’s attorney, which makes sense because she wasn’t the boss of bosses. The sense was, because she was the first woman in that office, that it was very important that she not look like she could not handle the work.

You left there to go to work for Toni Preckwinkle in 2013 as a deputy chief of staff and later became her chief of staff. Why?

As a prosecutor, I had to follow the mandates of the state’s attorney, policies that I did not feel were aligned with my principles on what I felt prosecution should be. I’d never met Toni, but I’d seen her talking about juvenile justice reforms, and I was very much, I don’t know if the word is enamored, but her views aligned with what I’m talking about.

Toni had a lot of academics and a lot of defense lawyers advising her criminal justice agenda. I was the first prosecutor who was at the table and bringing that balance to the conversation. She was going out and talking about the jails, for example, or juvenile detention centers saying, “I don’t think there are any kids who should be locked up ever.” And I took pause and said, “Well, Toni, there are some kids with some really deep, troubling issues that cannot be cared for in the community.”

Why is Preckwinkle so adamant about getting Anita Alvarez out of that job, and getting you into it? She seems to be a very major force in this story.

I think she’s a force, I don’t know about major. I think the work that we were able to do around criminal justice reform in the two years that I was there demonstrated that if there was a will, there was a way. I think Toni had been extremely frustrated, prior to my time, talking about the Cook County jail; that on any given day we had 10,000 people there, most of them there for nonviolent offenses because they couldn’t pay their bail, and nothing was happening. In two short years, we were able to drop the jail population at 26th and California by almost 20 percent.

And so from her vantage point, the question was, “How much further could we have gone if we had willing participants who were looking beyond their role.” The criminal justice system in Cook County is very silo-ed. Everyone’s protecting their corner of the world. If we had everyone working in concert, how much further could we be? And in terms of a major force, two years earlier someone had asked me if I was interested in running for the state’s attorney’s office.

And you would have run in 2012 but for your mother, is that correct?

Yes. My mom was still alive at the time, working for the city. She had been promoted to supervisor, but she lied on her application and said that she had an associate’s degree when really she dropped out of high school. She thought when they did opposition research , they would find out and she would get fired, and so she was adamant that I not do that. My mother passed away in 2012 at age 58.

Toni Preckwinkle, then, is not the impetus for you deciding to run?

That is correct.

You got a boost when Cook County Democrats didn’t endorse any candidate in your race, so the March primary is open. Did you urge them to not endorse anyone?

I drove around most of Cook County and met them at their offices or for coffee and said, “We need an open primary.” I’m going up against a two-term incumbent. And in Cook County, typically, the incumbent holds the position for as long as they want. So to ask the party to not endorse one of their own, who they’d endorsed in the previous election, was a heavy lift, because that’s not how it’s done in Cook County.

Did Toni Preckwinkle do some lobbying on your behalf?

She introduced me to people, but the case was mine to make. I think I met with almost 60 of the 80 committeemen, or called to make the case.

Will Preckwinkle hit the campaign trail with you?

I hope so. Toni has been a true advocate on these issues around criminal justice reform in a way that no president of the county has been. And she can testify to my leadership abilities in managing that organization for her for two years.

What are your top three goals if you were to attain this office?

To bring back integrity to our criminal justice system. Whether it’s torture reparations, or prosecutors being fired for perjury… I want people to believe they can get a fair shake in Cook County.

Two, to be thoughtful about how we look at juvenile justice. Having represented kids who’ve come up in circumstances not of their own doing, and having watched them matriculate through the criminal justice system—they start off as twelve-year-olds doing graffiti on buildings, to fifteen-year-olds stealing from someone, to eighteen-year-olds in our jails. We have the ability and the resources to intervene earlier and we don’t.

Third, having worked for President Preckwinkle and managed that really large budget, there’s a fiscal component to how we administer justice. We are keeping people in jail for $143 a day, for three weeks at a time, because they have drug problems. From a fiscal standpoint, we can reallocate dollars in a more responsible manner that will get us better outcomes than what we’re doing right now.

You grew up at Cabrini-Green?

Yes, the corner of Division and Larrabee. I lived there until third grade. My mother was 18 when she had me. I was her second child.

I read that you were sexually abused as a child.

Yes. The first was a relative, and that happened while I was in Cabrini. I was five, I think he was 18. My mother beat the of him. And then there was an incident when I was seven, in which I was sexually assaulted by two boys on my way home from school. I told my mother some time later I was concerned that I had done something wrong.

What led you to law school?

My mother was big on education, and I said very early on I wanted to be a lawyer, and she said, “Okay, you’re going to be a lawyer.” She would reinforce that whenever she talked to her friends about me: “This is Kim, she wants to be a lawyer.”

Growing up, we had to go to court for child support and paternity and all of that, and it was a really painful experience for my mother, for my brother and me. My first introduction to lawyers and the whole court system was my mother saying, “We’re gonna go in here, this is our lawyer. Our lawyer’s going to ask the judge to do what’s right on our behalf.” And I was like, “I want to do that. I want to make it right for people.”

After you left law school, did you ever consider taking the Michelle Obama route and working for a law firm, making lots of money?

For nine months, right after law school, I worked doing insurance defense for Cigna. I really thought I was making it big with my $32,000 salary. But I hated it. I absolutely found no fulfillment in the work. I went to work for the Cook County Public Guardian’s office. I was working with kids who were in our foster care system: kids who were sexually abused, physically abused, kids whose parents were in jail or had mental illness. Kids who were very much similar to me, but I was fortunate to have never been in the foster care system.

Why did you decide to become a prosecutor?

I was partially recruited, and partially wanted to go. In the guardian’s office, the state’s attorneys prosecuted the cases of child abuse; the public defenders defended the parents; and the guardian was the representative of the children. The guardian would stay with the case for its entirety, but the state’s attorneys would cycle in and out of the cases, depending on where they were in their rotation in the office. It was very frustrating to have cases that would take a long time, and you’d see two or three different state’s attorneys on the case. The state’s attorney’s office decided to create a unit that would have people choose to do child abuse and neglect cases and would stay on those cases for the life of the case. I was recruited to come and do that work.

As a high school junior, you were homeless. Tell me about that.

We moved around a lot after we left Cabrini. My mother moved us deeper into Lincoln Park, Old Town, so that we could go to LaSalle Language Academy . My mother was very much aware of the cycle of poverty and wanted us to have a different reality. She worked for the City of Chicago . She got into an argument with a coworker. The coworker was yelling and some spittle may have gotten on my mother, and it sent her into a rage. She ended up getting into an altercation and was suspended for 29 days from work without pay. We were already behind on our rent. We put our things in storage. My brother stayed with a good friend of his, and my mother and I spent some time in the shelters throughout the North Side.

And then that triggered depression and your mother’s suicide attempt?

Yeah, there was a breaking point when we were staying at the Salvation Army near Lawrence Avenue, and I wanted to go to a party. My mother said I couldn’t go because we had to be home by a certain hour for dinner. The rules of the shelter were you had to be home at certain hours so that you could participate in the routine. I flew off in kind of a teenage fit about how unfair it all was and that I didn’t want to be there anymore, that I’d done everything I was supposed to do, and I wanted to go live with my grandmother. It was late that night that we got a call from my grandmother saying that my mother had been found unresponsive on a park bench in Lincoln Park. And she had taken a quantity of pills in an attempt to end her life.

Wow. That must have been a huge burden for you.

Part of the reason that I always knew that I was going to stay in the Chicago area was that I worried about my mother until the very end. Because I carried the guilt of, “What if I had just stayed? Would she have done that?” I found, some years later, her suicide note. The stress for her, as a mom, not being able to provide for my brother and me was very real for her. I don’t think I appreciated then what depression looked like, compounded by the mental illness, compounded by the poverty, and the work issues, but it impacts me to this day.

fuck you.

  

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81. "If Alvarez delayed the charges.."
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...and now the National Bar Association is asking for her resignation, will she come out and say who authorized her to delay the charges?

https://digife.com

  

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85. "no."
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She'll take that info to her (political) grave.

fuck you.

  

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90. "What in the fuck????"
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this is crazy
wow

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77. "the cops and everyone on the force who helped cover this up"
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Also needs to be charged and punished. Yes the trigger happy cop "may" be going to jail...but he had a lot of help in all of this. The degree to which they banded together to try and make this go away is disgusting. A lot more heads should be rolling.

Seeing Laquan jerk after he was on the ground due to bullets still being fired.....maaaaaaaaaaaan. I try to stay out of these convos but this one got me charged up. I'm so tired.

  

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78. "^^^ They made false statements after having scene the video"
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should be obvious now why that video was never intended to come out

the CPD was criminal in every step of this incident

evidence tampering
witness intimidation
false statements

there are alot more charges to be made in this case, IMO.

I'd suspect if you went back over the last year and compared some of the statements that officials have made, in light of this video

and you'd come up with more than enough dirt

do we really believe the family received a $5M settlement

but the mayor never saw the video...really?

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79. "What is the punishment for an officer lying on an official statement?"
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https://twitter.com/Melanism/status/669552890453757953

What is the punishment for an officer lying on an official statement after a shooting? Make it a felony if it isn’t already. - @Melanism

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80. "crazy thing is...it's not gonna be that hard for him to get off"
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knife + drugs = threat

they say it's a 3-inch knife...anything over 2.5 inches is considered illegal so they did have reason to arrest/apprehend him

i don't know if he has to be lunging at folks to be reasonably considered a threat...

someone bright said they could have just stayed in their cars but lol

knife + drugs = threat not just to the officers but to others too

tasers might have been the best bet...but not sure how prudent that would have been since he was on PCP

his main mistake is shooting far too quickly upon arriving to the scene...nobody is gonna tackle or disarm a knife-wielding person...they gonna shoot...usually not so soon and hopefully not so many damn times but the only we avoid situations like this is have cops not be pussies and disarm them

neither of which is going to happen

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82. "You make very rational points"
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And you're correct about disarming. I really feel like a taser should have been used first. If a firearm needs to be discharged then that amount of rounds is far too much for a knife (close range weapon) wielding individual.

I'm still trying to process how they thought that was necessary.

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84. "This is why the LAWS need to change"
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The whole "perceived threat" thing is such a harmfully subjective standard, same thing we saw with a civilian in the Martin murder.

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87. "also cops have this idea that"
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if someone they want to arrest gets away and they can in anyway be considered "violent" (armed, or driving a vehicle apparently) that they have to do OMG EVERYTHING WITHIN THEIR POWER TO STOP THE THREAT


like in their mind this kid was about just go on a stabbing rampage or something if they let him out of their sight


its ridiculous

its like police car chases, i really wish they would stop doing that it always does more harm than good.

theres way too much tech and information out there to feel like you cant let someone get away and not find them at a later time

  

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89. "agreed completely, there is a wild west mentality"
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and it is absurd

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96. "Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas method of policing"
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Got two stars? Shoot 'em up!

  

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88. "14 additional shots while on the ground"
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it's not that cut and dry

  

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92. "^^ and there's that."
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Just IMO though.

  

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91. "A lot of poor tactical choices by the police"
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I think this article covers them well:

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/nov/25/laquan-mcdonald-video-chicago-police-shooting-questions-remain

Four hundred days after 17-year-old Laquan McDonald was shot and killed by a Chicago police officer as he ran-walked down the city’s Pulaski Road, dashcam footage was released Tuesday showing the entire fatal encounter.

The video’s release came just hours after Cook County state’s attorney Anita Alvarez announced that CPD officer Jason Van Dyke, who fired all 16 shots that struck Laquan, had been charged with first-degree murder. It was also preceded by a press conference from Chicago mayor Rahm Emanuel, who urged people to remain calm in reaction to the video, which he subsequently claimed not to have seen yet.

Had the mayor decided to watch, he likely would have found that despite its lack of audio, its graininess and its low lighting, the video reveals many important, troubling and instructive details about what happened that night. He would also likely have discovered that some questions about Laquan’s death reach far beyond the nearly seven-minute clip – and others remain unknown.

Related: Chicago poised for new protests after Laquan McDonald video released
The officers made a poor tactical choice

When officer Van Dyke approached Laquan, who was running from other officers and in possession of a small folding knife, there was little or no consideration for maintaining a safe distance. Marq Claxton, the director of the Black Law Enforcement Alliance, said the officers’ rapid, close-proximity approach endangered the lives of both the teenager and the officers.

“Common sense mandates – and training dictates – that you maintain a safe distance, and take advantage of opportunities for cover and concealment,” Claxton said, adding that in many police shootings “the police actually create the extreme level of danger with bad tactics”.

According to Claxton, the shooting of Laquan McDonald is a clear example of this phenomenon: “Not only did you have an individual pretty isolated, it looked to be contained, but you as a professional responding to that have the advantage of time. There’s no reason to insist that something happens in one minute, two minutes or five minutes.”

The video footage, shot from the vehicle that followed directly behind the one Van Dyke was traveling in, instead shows his partner speed to the scene, apparently attempting to engage Laquan as quickly as possible. Van Dyke, riding in the passenger seat of the squad car, briefly – and prematurely – opens his door before the vehicle stops, which would have put him even closer to Laquan had he gotten out.

Claxton stressed de-escalation and the minimum possible level of engagement in these types of situations, as long as no civilians or other officers are in imminent danger. “A lot of times police officers will very quickly respond right to a location and immediately engage people when the idea should be to de-escalate. If you can bring the situation down and have the person comply eventually, then you win.”
The officers lied

The day after Laquan died, a police union official told the Chicago Tribune that he had “lunged at police” before the officer opened fire. The video shows the opposite. When Van Dyke’s patrol car speeds past Laquan to get in front of him, Laquan, who had been running, slows his jog to a shuffle. He also veers right, away from the highway’s centerline where he had been running, gaining a full lane – or roughly 10-15ft of separation – by the time he was shot.

When the squad car stops, both officers get out and immediately begin advancing on Laquan with their guns drawn. Van Dyke’s exit is briefly obscured by another CPD vehicle; by the time it pulls away just five seconds later, Van Dyke is seen advancing on Laquan with his gun drawn.

Within about seven seconds, Van Dyke had taken several steps toward Laquan and fired the first pair of shots. Though the shots cannot be heard and the muzzle flash isn’t visible, Van Dyke’s arm clearly bends from the recoil of his pistol.

Almost immediately, Laquan spins backward, either from the force of the first two shots, as a self-protective reflex, or perhaps both. He collapses, and the shots continue from Van Dyke’s weapon, hitting McDonald another 14 times as he lay on the ground.

There were no other officers or civilians in the direction of Laquan’s path away from Van Dyke, and there was no offensive or even sudden movement by Laquan until the first bullets had already struck his body. No other officers on the scene fired their weapons.
What we don’t know

And yet for all we do now know, there are still many things that the video cannot tell us. We do not know if officer Van Dyke will be convicted, especially given the high prosecutorial bar for first-degree murder. The Illinois statute requires prosecutors to demonstrate beyond a reasonable doubt that Van Dyke shot with no legal justification, and with the intent to kill.

We also don’t know what the surveillance footage from the nearby Burger King restaurant would have shown had it not disappeared. A Chicago NBC affiliate reported Tuesday that, according to the restaurant’s district manager, four officers spent three hours with the tape of the incident, and when they left 86 minutes, encompassing the entire shooting, had been erased. The camera is located roughly 100ft from where Laquan died.

Related: Laquan McDonald: senseless killing continues in video after video | Steven W Thrasher

“We had no idea they were going to sit there and delete files,” district manager Jay Darshane told NBC Chicago. “I mean, we were just trying to help the police officers.”

State’s attorney Alvarez announced Tuesday that forensic testing had discovered no tampering in the disappearance of the footage.

“If that tape was deleted by Chicago law enforcement professionals,” Claxton said, “now you’re talking about a conspiracy.”

Lastly, we don’t know why as Laquan lays dying, after the knife has been kicked away by Van Dyke’s partner, no officers came to his assistance. A full minute went by from the moment Laquan was disarmed to when the video ends without an officer getting so much as a yard closer to him, to even consider rendering aid.

Then again, given that according to Alvarez officer Van Dyke was reloading his service weapon after the 16th bullet had struck Laquan’s body, maybe we do know. Laquan McDonald, 17 years old, disarmed and riddled with 16 bullets, was still, in his dying moments, perceived as a threat.

This article was amended on 25 November 2015. The original misidentified Anita Alvarez as the state’s attorney for Lake County; she is the state’s attorney for Cook County. The original also mistakenly suggested officer Van Dyke was driving the squad car to the scene – he was a passenger.

Just IMO though.

  

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86. "I wonder if there are e-mails that can be pulled from last year "
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Discussing this. Anonymously released to the web so a list of names involved in the cover-up can be obtained. That would be true justice. The one officer going to jail is not enough.

  

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93. "THIS BITCH MADE BAIL!"
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http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2015/11/30/chicago-cop-who-shot-laquan-mcdonald-back-court/76555986/

  

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94. "The pigs pooled their money and paid his bail."
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95. "Ridiculous "
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97. "and this surprises....WHO exactly?"
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City of Chicago and FOP don't give one fuck about public opinion.

FOP sees this as one of their wrongly convicted brothers dealing justified force amongst these savages in the streets.

They look at Laquan and see another knucklehead who doesn't pay any taxes, wilding out. Subhuman. Vermin.

Hell...that fucka's police department KNEW he was foul as hell. That's why they deleted the footage and put his ass on desk duty to see if charges would stick.

That's why they fought like hell in the courts to keep the footage a secret.

So yeah...the minute that bond was set....everybody in my city knew that the FOP was putting up the bail.

And once they try him for this 1st Degree murder charge...he's gonna skate because that's the hardest charge to stick...he won't be able to be retried because..y'know...double jeopardy...and the world will go back to acting like this shit never happened.

Didn't mean to get up in here preaching but I been here a long time...I know the drill.

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98. "1st Degree murder means he planned to kill LaQuan McDonald"
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this officer is going to skate.

Feel free to up this post when it happens

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101. "no, in Illinois it does not mean that."
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the prosecution will not have to prove premeditation.

the prosecution only has to prove that Van Dyke killed Laquan via an intentional act (aka 'he knew what he was doing') w/o justification.

i assume the defense will attempt to prove that Van Dyke's act was justified by his genuine, subjective belief that he needed to defend himself. and i assume the prosecution will attempt to prove that Van Dyke didn't need to defend himself and that his belief was either disingenuous or unreasonable. the prosecution will also attempt to prove there's no other justification for the officer's act.

i believe second degree murder is a lesser-included offense to first degree murder. that means Van Dyke can be convicted of second degree murder even if he's acquitted of first degree. basically, if the jury/judge (depending on which type of trial Van Dyke chooses) believes that Van Dyke unreasonably believed he needed to defend himself or other officers he can be convicted of second degree murder.

in other words, first degree murder is the right charge. the lawyers/activists/bloggers who are screaming about 1st degree being the wrong charge have not done their research and don't know the Illinois first degree murder statute or the elements the prosecution must prove. i have copied it below along w/the second degree statute:

(720 ILCS 5/9-1) (from Ch. 38, par. 9-1)
Sec. 9-1. First degree Murder - Death penalties - Exceptions - Separate Hearings - Proof - Findings - Appellate procedures - Reversals.
(a) A person who kills an individual without lawful justification commits first degree murder if, in performing the acts which cause the death:
(1) he either intends to kill or do great bodily harm

to that individual or another, or knows that such acts will cause death to that individual or another; or
(2) he knows that such acts create a strong

probability of death or great bodily harm to that individual or another; or
(3) he is attempting or committing a forcible felony

other than second degree murder.

(720 ILCS 5/9-2) (from Ch. 38, par. 9-2)
Sec. 9-2. Second degree murder.
(a) A person commits the offense of second degree murder when he or she commits the offense of first degree murder as defined in paragraph (1) or (2) of subsection (a) of Section 9-1 of this Code and either of the following mitigating factors are present:
(1) at the time of the killing he or she is acting

under a sudden and intense passion resulting from serious provocation by the individual killed or another whom the offender endeavors to kill, but he or she negligently or accidentally causes the death of the individual killed; or
(2) at the time of the killing he or she believes the

circumstances to be such that, if they existed, would justify or exonerate the killing under the principles stated in Article 7 of this Code, but his or her belief is unreasonable.
(b) Serious provocation is conduct sufficient to excite an intense passion in a reasonable person.
(c) When evidence of either of the mitigating factors defined in subsection (a) of this Section has been presented, the burden of proof is on the defendant to prove either mitigating factor by a preponderance of the evidence before the defendant can be found guilty of second degree murder. The burden of proof, however, remains on the State to prove beyond a reasonable doubt each of the elements of first degree murder and, when appropriately raised, the absence of circumstances at the time of the killing that would justify or exonerate the killing under the principles stated in Article 7 of this Code.
(d) Sentence. Second degree murder is a Class 1 felony.

fuck you.

  

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102. "figured you'd be in here"
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thanks for the clarification. I DID Google that shit tho lol.

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99. "wow"
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100. "cmon dogg ..trump prolly paid for that"
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130. "lol surprised?"
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Also I predict an all white jury.

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103. "The other shoe dropped: Rahm clips police chief....(SWIPE)"
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That cover up talk is gaining traction....The mayor had to do something because people mad as shit....

Report: Chicago Police Chief Garry McCarthy Fired

Chicago Police Supt. Garry McCarthy has been fired by Mayor Rahm Emanuel, sources said Tuesday.

McCarthy was called into City Hall on Monday and when he left City Hall he still had a job. But overnight, the mayor called McCarthy to tell him he was out.

Headlines from the Laquan McDonald controversy, as well those following the gang execution of Tyshawn Lee, had become too much, according to sources.

Read more: http://chicago.suntimes.com/news/7/71/1143320/sneed-exclusive-mccarthy-fired

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104. "Rahm like "I got my job....NOW I GOT YO JOB!!!""
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Oh my Damn I wish so much ill on that motherfucker.

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105. "no shock there."
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i expect Rahm will survive this but McCarthy and Alvarez won't.

McCarthy has been fired. Alvarez will likely lose in the upcoming March 2016 primary election.

Rahm will appease the various aldermen calling for his head by having fired McCarthy and doling out some favors. the new police superintendent can 'clean house' - maybe even going so far as to shut down that Homan Square facility. w/that and some new, unforeseen distraction Rahm will make it through this, i bet.

fuck you.

  

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106. "RE: no shock there."
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>i expect Rahm will survive this but McCarthy and Alvarez
>won't.
>
>McCarthy has been fired. Alvarez will likely lose in the
>upcoming March 2016 primary election.
>
>Rahm will appease the various aldermen calling for his head by
>having fired McCarthy and doling out some favors. the new
>police superintendent can 'clean house' - maybe even going so
>far as to shut down that Homan Square facility. w/that and
>some new, unforeseen distraction Rahm will make it through
>this, i bet.


Yep to all Dis^^^^^^^

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108. "How else would he removed from office? can he be impeached?"
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110. "nope!"
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http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/stantis/ct-recall-rahm-20151125-story.html

fuck you.

  

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107. "They KILLING rahm at this press conference. "
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109. "RE: They KILLING rahm at this press conference. "
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They can smell a coverup......

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111. "I just don't see how he survives, given the settlement while officer "
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trigger happy kept his job

it does feel like those 2 things exclude each other

he claims he didn't see the vid

but from all of his accounts, he was fully aware of what the video purported to show, and his defense feels like...I didn't need to see the video to know what happened...

then why was this dude still on the force

+ given his prior complaints and conduct (I think I heard a number like 20 incidents involving this particular officer)

we always get the DOJ is investigating = nothing

and he continues to hide behind the defense of 'ongoing' investigation

which is strange when you consider all of the media stories concerning the victims

sheeeeiiiiitt, we got a minute by minute replay of Mike and Trayvon's entire lives before any legal proceedings

but the mayor can't fire anybody?

+ Homan Square

he did say something about the union contract

looks like the entire law enforcement department(s) need an overhaul

might as well start at the top

Rham's got to go.

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112. "there is no recall and no impeachment process."
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the mayor's term in office is 4 yrs. he was just re-elected earlier this year.

fuck you.

  

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113. "citing Rod Blagojevich as an example, makes me think that can change"
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114. "the Illinois Constitution has an impeachment process"
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for office of governor.

there is no such process for Chicago mayor.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/stantis/ct-recall-rahm-20151125-story.html

...i wish things were different.

can the fedz indict the mayor for some federal crime? sure. i dunno that the cover-up here amounts to a federal offense but if so then maybe that'll come. the indictment wouldn't necessarily remove Rahm from office. AFAIK there is no process for removing Chicago's mayor from office.

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116. "LOL@the link, that's the same thing I read, haha"
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I'm saying

they specifically changed the laws to get Blagojevich out (and a council member)

it makes me think they can change the laws to get Rahm out too

at least, that's how it sounds to me.

+ Homan Square <-- why did this story die?

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117. "maybe it'll happen."
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but not w/o some proof that ties Rahm to a cover-up. we know it probably happened but the rumors and suspicion aren't enough. it'll take proof. getting the proof would probably require some action from City Council or maybe the state or the fedz such that some judge can issue a subpoena directing City Hall to turn over documents/email correspondence/et al.

it could happen.

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134. "LEGISLATION INTRODUCED TO ALLOW RECALL OF CHICAGO"
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MAYOR

http://abc7chicago.com/politics/legislation-introduced-to-allow-recall-of-chicago-mayor/1116717/

Wednesday, December 09, 2015 07:59PM
CHICAGO (WLS) -- An Illinois state representative has introduced a plan that could allow for the recall of Chicago's mayor.

Democratic Rep. La Shawn Ford filed legislation Wednesday outlining a lengthy process for a city special election.

The proposal would allow a recall election to be initiated by a petition with signatures totaling at least 15 percent of the total votes cast in the previous mayoral election, with at least 50 signatures from each Chicago ward. Challengers would need 12,500 signatures to get on the ballot.

Currently there's no process for a recall. Both the Illinois House and Senate would have to approve a change in state law to allow for one. It would also have to be signed by the governor.

There have been regular calls for Emanuel's resignation since officials released footage showing a white police officer fatally shooting a black teenager in 2014.

Emanuel has more than three years left in his term.

The Associated Press contributed to this report.

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135. "i saw that."
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actually...i dunno about all of that.

so far there's been zero proof shown of any wrongdoing by Rahm. lots of speculation (sensible, but still that's all it is), allegations (also sensible), and rumors but there's been no proof.

i wouldn't be comfortable voting for this recall right now today w/o seeing some proof of wrongdoing. like, actual proof.

still, if we can get a recall process on the books that's a good idea so that if/when there's proof we have a solid basis for tossing Rahm out and the mechanism would be in place.

note - that bill won't pass, i bet. but still i dig the idea of having a recall process even if i'm not ready to use it against Rahm right now today. however, i'd be fine w/him tendering his resignation right now today. i'd also be fine w/an actual impeachment hearing - b/c proof would be shown to the city council which could then vote on impeachment articles and a possible conviction and removal and all of that. some due process would be involved. but i'm not entirely comfortable w/the idea of voting him out based solely on allegations. not yet at least.

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115. "Rahm last week: This is one officer, not about the Police Department."
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Rahm now: I'm firing the head of the Police Department.

  

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118. "..."
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https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/3f/29/dd/3f29dd949c69d9f7eb195bff2a9e56e8.jpg

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123. "Rham needs to apply for a position in Clintons campaign..."
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cause it's about to get super ugly

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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121. "Man, this is The Wire being played out IRL"
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How many will he sacrifice to save his ass?

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120. "RE: Ronald Ronnieman Johnson, apparently there's other videos being"
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suppressed

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/12/01/mom-dashcam-shows-chicago-cop-killed-my-unarmed-son.html

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122. "yup."
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fuck you.

  

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131. "Videos out, same M.O. = no charges"
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https://www.dnainfo.com/chicago/20151207/washington-park/ronald-johnson-video-be-released-chicago-police-shooting

again, looks like they shot him to avoid a foot chase, IMO

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132. "it seems bogus to me. (link/partial swipe)"
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http://chicagoist.com/2015/12/08/reactions_to_ronald_johnson_decisio.php

Officials maintain that Johnson’s death was justified based on allegations that he had a gun at the time, and Hernandez felt threatened. "Based on an objective review, we determined the prosecution could not establish beyond a reasonable doubt that Hernandez's actions were not reasonable," said Assistant State's Attorney Lynn McCarthy.

That however, is not clear from the video released, which doesn’t conclusively show anything in Johnson’s hand. According to Oppenheimer, the grass-laden gun, which allegedly had Johnson’s DNA on it and was at the scene of his death, had no fingerprints on it. When asked how the DNA could have gotten on the gun, Oppenheimer told reporters “it’s no difficult task to take the gun and wipe it in some of his blood and there was quite a lot of it there.”

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133. "RE: Cedrick Chatman, apparently there's other videos being surpressed"
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sounds like the CPD M.O., shot in the back because cops didn't want to chase.

http://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/chicago-police-shooting-7500-jeffrey-185933372.html

+ Homan Square victims are coming forward

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2015/12/rahm-emanuel-chicago-police-homan-square-scandal

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124. "Since the family accepted the $5 Million...."
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...I assume that rules out any chance of them suing the city later, correct?

Didn't another family sue for 100 Million in Baltimore?

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They likely agreed to that as part of the settlement.

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126. "I understand why they took it."
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They couldn't have had representation though.
I feel like any lawyer could have advised them better.

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127. "i thought so too but apparently they DID have a lawyer. (link/partial sw..."
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the city claims the lawyer approached the city about settling the case b4 a suit had been filed.

i've worked on cases like that - i assume the lawyer sent a typical demand letter. that's standard practice.

but...then the lawyer negotiated w/the city and at some point the city offered $5 million to settle. considering the context (mayoral election was ongoing - this was 3 days after the mayor 'lost' and was on his way to a run-off) and the amount of the offer i am stunned the family accepted. w/o having interviewed the family or heard from the city about its potential defenses at trial i don't understand why the family didn't reject the offered settlement on the theory that if the city offers THAT much w/o a suit we can probably get even MORE if we file suit and compel discovery and conduct a more thorough investigation.

http://www.nwherald.com/2015/12/01/timeline-laquan-mcdonald-shooting-fallout-from-video-of-chicago-cop-shooting-teen-being-released/aahuawz/

Here's a look at key moments in the case and the fallout once the video was released.

2014

Oct. 20: Officer Jason Van Dyke responds to a call about a teenager breaking into cars and stealing radios. He shoots 17-year-old Laquan McDonald, whom authorities say is armed with a knife, 16 times, killing him.

2015

Feb. 27: Lawyers for McDonald's family approach City Hall about a possible settlement without filing a lawsuit, according to Emanuel. This was three days after the mayor failed to win a majority of votes in his re-election bid, forcing him into the city's first mayoral runoff.

April 7: Emanuel defeats Cook County Commissioner Jesus "Chuy" Garcia to win a second term. The mayor made a special appeal to black voters during his campaign.

April 8: Attorneys for the city and the McDonald family agree to settle for $5 million after previously meeting twice.

April 15: The Chicago City Council votes to pay a $5 million settlement to McDonald's family, who didn't sue the city.

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128. "There was zero chance of that video getting FOIA'd "
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ZERO,

the only reason this happened was a very insistent reporter upped it.

In the interest of justice, they could have brought the case to the news.

BUT they weren't interested in that, they wanted the loot. they didn't even RAISE Laquan.

They took the lower risk money. Which tells you a lot about their family.

  

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129. "Thirty pieces of silver can go a long way"
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Everything looks like Oprah kissing Harvey Weinstein these days

  

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136. "City Hall Emails Show Trail to Top Emanuel Aides (link/swipe)"
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the proof of cover-up is trickling out:

http://www.nbcchicago.com/investigations/City-Hall-Emails-Show-Trail-to-Top-Emanuel-Aides--362039771.html

By Carol Marin and Don Moseley
Published at 6:56 PM CST on Dec 14, 2015

Senior members of Rahm Emanuel's administration received and sent emails about the video of the police shooting of Laquan McDonald long before the mayor said he was fully briefed, emails obtained by NBC5 News show.

The emails were obtained through a Freedom of Information Act request and show that the mayor’s chief of staff, deputy chief of staff and top press aides were included in email chains.

On Jan. 20, 2015, in the heat of his re-election campaign, Mayor Rahm Emanuel announced plans to hire 350 new police officers and begin a pilot plan for police to use body cameras. “And too many of our kids are growing up with a sense where violence becomes a norm,” Emanuel said in what was billed as a major speech.

That same afternoon, at 4:30, Thomas Platt, a deputy corporation counsel sent his boss Steve Patton an email with the subject line reading: Fatal Shooting on video, 4000 South Pulaski.

The body of Platt’s message was blacked out by the city.

At 7:28pm, Patton sent the mayor’s Chief of Staff Lisa Schrader and Deputy Chief of Staff Janey Rountree an email marked: Attorney Client Privileged and Confidential.

FYI, he wrote. Two hours later Schrader replied: Thanks.

Still that wasn’t the first email involving the mayor’s chief of staff and the possibility of police dash camera video showing LaQuan McDonald being shot 16 times by Officer Jason Van Dyke.

On December 9, 2014 Schrader distributed a Crain’s Chicago Business article in which questions were raised about video of the McDonald shooting.

The headline on the article read: “If Chicago police have video of teen shooting, let’s see it: advocates.”

Schrader distributed the article to some of the mayor’s other senior advisors, including spokeswoman Kelley Quinn, senior aide David Spiefogel, and Matt Hynes, a former top political strategist for the mayor who had since left City Hall.

The mayor's office issued the following statement in response to the report: "As we have said, the Mayor's office staff was aware of the McDonald case -- and the federal and state criminal investigations that had been launched -- and was following a policy that had been in place for years by not releasing video evidence during a criminal investigation. The Mayor has been clear that this longstanding policy needs to be revised, and has asked that the task force review this policy and make recommendations for a new path forward."

To date, the mayor’s answers to questions about what he knew of the dash cam video and when have been imprecise.

Last week on Chicago Tonight Emanuel was asked who first told him about the LaQuan McDonald video?

“I don’t know who briefed me first about the video,” he said, adding, “The first person that kind of gave me the description of it was Corporation Counsel Steve Patton."

Asked the next day about when he first learned of the McDonald case and who informed him, the mayor responded, “Probably read it in the paper. Uhm and some of the staff, uhm could have informed me.”

The mayor went on to say he only learned in detail about the video once a $5-million settlement agreement was reached with the McDonald family.

“And I think that’s around, toward the end of March, when he (Corporation Counsel Steve Patton) told me the details,” Emanuel said.

But the emails clearly show Emanuel’s senior staff was involved in questions raised about the LaQuan McDonald video months before the mayor said he was give specifics.


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137. "this bamma cant even lie right to save himself smh"
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138. "Man, they just need to have smaller lies"
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Not to say people wouldn't hold him responsible for this coverup but when the nigga was like "Yo, I ain't never seen the tape" after that mountain of shit was at his door nobody was gonna believe him

Now I wonder what he would be on the hook for legally if he DID say he saw the tape because he easily could have said something like, "I saw the tape, I was appalled, but I wanted to let our own legal process and the fed investigation blah blah blah' and this aspect of the coverup would be a small issue.

Unless perhaps, similar to Chris Christies and bridgegate at those levels of government maybe its protocol to have lieutenants/aids vet all things and just give their bosses extremely detailed stuff off record so there's always deniability. Problem is if he had a clue he should know how horrible it would play out.

  

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139. "not a surprise..told ya..The Wire"
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>the proof of cover-up is trickling out:
>
>http://www.nbcchicago.com/investigations/City-Hall-Emails-Show-Trail-to-Top-Emanuel-Aides--362039771.html
>
>By Carol Marin and Don Moseley
>Published at 6:56 PM CST on Dec 14, 2015
>
>Senior members of Rahm Emanuel's administration received and
>sent emails about the video of the police shooting of Laquan
>McDonald long before the mayor said he was fully briefed,
>emails obtained by NBC5 News show.
>
>The emails were obtained through a Freedom of Information Act
>request and show that the mayor’s chief of staff, deputy
>chief of staff and top press aides were included in email
>chains.
>
>On Jan. 20, 2015, in the heat of his re-election campaign,
>Mayor Rahm Emanuel announced plans to hire 350 new police
>officers and begin a pilot plan for police to use body
>cameras. “And too many of our kids are growing up with a
>sense where violence becomes a norm,” Emanuel said in what
>was billed as a major speech.
>
>That same afternoon, at 4:30, Thomas Platt, a deputy
>corporation counsel sent his boss Steve Patton an email with
>the subject line reading: Fatal Shooting on video, 4000 South
>Pulaski.
>
>The body of Platt’s message was blacked out by the city.
>
>At 7:28pm, Patton sent the mayor’s Chief of Staff Lisa
>Schrader and Deputy Chief of Staff Janey Rountree an email
>marked: Attorney Client Privileged and Confidential.
>
>FYI, he wrote. Two hours later Schrader replied: Thanks.
>
>Still that wasn’t the first email involving the mayor’s
>chief of staff and the possibility of police dash camera video
>showing LaQuan McDonald being shot 16 times by Officer Jason
>Van Dyke.
>
>On December 9, 2014 Schrader distributed a Crain’s Chicago
>Business article in which questions were raised about video of
>the McDonald shooting.
>
>The headline on the article read: “If Chicago police have
>video of teen shooting, let’s see it: advocates.”
>
>Schrader distributed the article to some of the mayor’s
>other senior advisors, including spokeswoman Kelley Quinn,
>senior aide David Spiefogel, and Matt Hynes, a former top
>political strategist for the mayor who had since left City
>Hall.
>
>The mayor's office issued the following statement in response
>to the report: "As we have said, the Mayor's office staff was
>aware of the McDonald case -- and the federal and state
>criminal investigations that had been launched -- and was
>following a policy that had been in place for years by not
>releasing video evidence during a criminal investigation. The
>Mayor has been clear that this longstanding policy needs to be
>revised, and has asked that the task force review this policy
>and make recommendations for a new path forward."
>
>To date, the mayor’s answers to questions about what he knew
>of the dash cam video and when have been imprecise.
>
>Last week on Chicago Tonight Emanuel was asked who first told
>him about the LaQuan McDonald video?
>
>“I don’t know who briefed me first about the video,” he
>said, adding, “The first person that kind of gave me the
>description of it was Corporation Counsel Steve Patton."
>
>Asked the next day about when he first learned of the McDonald
>case and who informed him, the mayor responded, “Probably
>read it in the paper. Uhm and some of the staff, uhm could
>have informed me.”
>
>The mayor went on to say he only learned in detail about the
>video once a $5-million settlement agreement was reached with
>the McDonald family.
>
>“And I think that’s around, toward the end of March, when
>he (Corporation Counsel Steve Patton) told me the details,”
>Emanuel said.
>
>But the emails clearly show Emanuel’s senior staff was
>involved in questions raised about the LaQuan McDonald video
>months before the mayor said he was give specifics.
>
>
>

  

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140. "Well......"
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That other shoe is coming.....UMMMMMMMMMMM DROOOOP! (see Ad-Rock)

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141. "There is a verdict in the murder trial of Chicago police Officer Jason V..."
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There is a verdict in the murder trial of Chicago police Officer Jason Van Dyke #LaquanMcdonald ..will be read within the hour.

https://twitter.com/jmetr22b/status/1048266965729628162

  

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In a generation of swine, the one-eyed pig is king.
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Marauder21
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144. "It's sad this passes for unexpected good news"
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But it does!

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GOMEZ
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145. "i feel like people can finally be sad now. bad times."
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In a generation of swine, the one-eyed pig is king.
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Marauder21
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146. "Saw someone else say "justice would be if he were alive""
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and of course Rahm will never see the inside of a courtroom over covering it up.

But it's something.

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Quas
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147. "RE: Chi Police officer charged w/murder of teen in advance of vid releas..."
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"If the jurors do agree to an interview, one of my first questions will be: Why convict on everything EXCEPT official misconduct?"

Source: https://twitter.com/crepeau/status/1048289880042823680

  

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Marbles
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148. "Yeah, that didn't make sense to me either."
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I'd like to know what the official definition is of official misconduct. There has to be some element that's missing.

  

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ambient1
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149. "legit shocked he was found guilty"
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Coolin...

  

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150. "Jason Van Dyke sentenced to 6 years and 9 months in prison for shooting ..."
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///BREAKING/// Chicago police Officer Jason Van Dyke sentenced to 6 years and 9 months in prison for shooting black teen #LaquanMcDonald 16 times in 2014.

https://twitter.com/jmetr22b/status/1086405183494598656

  

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151. "it’s a start, at least"
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We see through all that boo boo like it's ghost shit... (c) Quelle Chris

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