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ScooterBug
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Fri Nov-13-15 10:44 AM

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"Poll question: Another APD arrest caught on camera: Who you with, the Cops or the famil..."


  

          

http://www.fox7austin.com/news/local-news/48267048-story

Poll result (8 votes)
Family (0 votes)Vote
Cops (7 votes)Vote
The little dog (1 votes)Vote
TOKP (0 votes)Vote

  

  

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Nov 13th 2015
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Here's the problem
Nov 13th 2015
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so how do you recommend someone fight a false arrest in the moment?
Nov 13th 2015
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      Under the current system you can't.
Nov 13th 2015
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           I was just trying to understand what the alternative was?
Nov 13th 2015
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                Yup. Angry rant. What should happen is false arrests = cop in trouble
Nov 13th 2015
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                     you are correct, its just that i also have heard people arguing that as ...
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Big Kuntry
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Fri Nov-13-15 10:51 AM

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1. "-"
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Fri Nov-13-15 10:56 AM by Big Kuntry

  

          

nah

  

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BigReg
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Fri Nov-13-15 10:53 AM

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2. "Here's the problem"
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"If it's an illegal arrest, you fight that later. You file an internal affairs, a complaint with the Texas Rangers, the FBI, a civil suit, whatever," says Kevin Lawrence. He heads up the state's largest law enforcement union."

Which is kinda bullshit; not everyone can afford to drop out of the world for a day or two in jail, on top of having the funds/means to push a complaint forward against a system thats in its best interest to throw as much red tape as possible. There's no real negative to a false arrest since the cop does not get in trouble.

There's also the problem where at any slight hesitation; intentional (dude still hoping to talk his way out of it) or unintentional (three cops mob him to take him to the ground, its reflex to bring your arms up to break the fall and also apparently resisting) so its a weird 'egg or the chicken' moment where you are being arrested for resisting arrest, lol

  

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Cenario
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Fri Nov-13-15 11:01 AM

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3. "so how do you recommend someone fight a false arrest in the moment?"
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Fri Nov-13-15 11:02 AM by Cenario

  

          

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-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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BigReg
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Fri Nov-13-15 11:10 AM

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4. "Under the current system you can't. "
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But the crux of the news story was that there might need to be a different definition of 'resisting arrest' which I would agree too.

Or at least stats taking a hard look at who cops arrest, for what, and what the outcomes of those infractions end up being after they hit the courts so that way there is some blowback for those that arrest people for 'talking back'

  

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Cenario
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Fri Nov-13-15 11:23 AM

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5. "I was just trying to understand what the alternative was?"
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>"If it's an illegal arrest, you fight that later. You file an internal affairs, a complaint with the Texas Rangers, the FBI, a civil suit, whatever," says Kevin Lawrence. He heads up the state's largest law enforcement union."

Which is kinda bullshit; not everyone can afford to drop out of the world for a day or two in jail, on top of having the funds/means to push a complaint forward against a system thats in its best interest to throw as much red tape as possible. There's no real negative to a false arrest since the cop does not get in trouble.



I thought you had something. YOu were just saying the whole situation is screwed.

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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BigReg
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6. "Yup. Angry rant. What should happen is false arrests = cop in trouble"
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But the voices crying that cops would underpolice because of it would win out..

Just felt like I had to point out that the idea of 'get arrested, deal with it later'= no big deal is false.

  

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Cenario
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Fri Nov-13-15 11:36 AM

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7. "you are correct, its just that i also have heard people arguing that as ..."
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reason for physically resisting arrest and that's no bueno. So i thought thats what you were saying at first.

And i agree that most if not all of cop misconduct boils down to the individual cop facing adequate repercussions for their actions. As long as their is no real punishment on an individual level, there will be no change.

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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