Except for when authority has the power to take your actual life, if you are confident in your stance you should always be willing to challenge authority. In fact in the professional world there's a good chance you won't be respected at all until you do.

Challenging authority forces the person in power to validate their authority and in the challenge you should be willing to concede to it if it is warranted. But you should never kneel to it just because of its claim at authority.

I type this now laughing at myself, because I taught it to my kids and its going to kick my ass for the rest of my life.

*edit* to make a discussion out of this. At one point this was probably almost an american rule, indeed our whole education system is built upon this basis which wasn't so much about creating educated citizens but about ensuring there was an obedient workforce. So I guess the questions are of course we realize how stupid that is, can we get rid of al of the ways that it creeps its little head up. Or perhaps what we've create is a society that only wants to be the authority and so they will accept whatever exists under the dream that one day they can have the power.



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"I ain't no entertainer, and ain't trying to be one. I am 1 thing, a musician." � Miles

"When the music stops he falls back in the abyss."

I can respect a human being without submitting to their authority.

And to be clear there can be roles played where individuals make decisions for others without the need for positions of 'authority'

I should probably change overrated to outdated to but my edit time is prolly about up.

That said to what you were rplying to, the problem is that people with authority feel like it is unquestionable and that any challenge to it is a sign of disrespect. Hence the notion that the authority gives them respect is a flawed one.

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"I ain't no entertainer, and ain't trying to be one. I am 1 thing, a musician." � Miles

"When the music stops he falls back in the abyss."

made my head hurt
people in there arguing that kids should just never challenge authority
im wondering when this became a viewpoint
we would never have moved past the dark ages if folk had never challenged authority
so this kind of thinking to me is so ass backwards

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http://perspectivesudans.blogspot.com/
i myself would never want to be god,or even like god.Because god got all these human beings on this planet and i most certainly would not want to be responsible for them, or even have the disgrace that i made them.

So according to op, she shouldn't have challenged him.

not the child's behaviour

we should upset that a child has to fear for her life
unless she tows a certain line
that kind of authoritarian dictatorial ethos should never be acceptable
and we should never be passive about
the fact that black children are not allowed to be children
for fear of such repercussions
says a lot about this soceity we live in... and none of it good
the fact that people are willng to passively accept this as a rule of life
on some, lets instead question the girl questioning authority
is beyond sad and trifling

we need to do better

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http://perspectivesudans.blogspot.com/
i myself would never want to be god,or even like god.Because god got all these human beings on this planet and i most certainly would not want to be responsible for them, or even have the disgrace that i made them.

fuck you.

the key to happiness is not being rich;
it's doing something arduous and
creating something of value and then
being able to reflect on the fruits of your labor

the authority they had gave a false sense of power which no longer respected the girl. this is the problem.

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"I ain't no entertainer, and ain't trying to be one. I am 1 thing, a musician." � Miles

"When the music stops he falls back in the abyss."

fuck you.

Fact is, if everyone took the challenge authorities the streets would constantly be filled with blood.




>Except for when authority has the power to take your actual
>life, if you are confident in your stance you should always be
>willing to challenge authority. In fact in the professional
>world there's a good chance you won't be respected at all
>until you do.
>
>Challenging authority forces the person in power to validate
>their authority and in the challenge you should be willing to
>concede to it if it is warranted. But you should never kneel
>to it just because of its claim at authority.
>
>I type this now laughing at myself, because I taught it to my
>kids and its going to kick my ass for the rest of my life.
>
>*edit* to make a discussion out of this. At one point this
>was probably almost an american rule, indeed our whole
>education system is built upon this basis which wasn't so much
>about creating educated citizens but about ensuring there was
>an obedient workforce. So I guess the questions are of course
>we realize how stupid that is, can we get rid of al of the
>ways that it creeps its little head up. Or perhaps what we've
>create is a society that only wants to be the authority and so
>they will accept whatever exists under the dream that one day
>they can have the power.
>
>
>
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>Big PEMFin H & z's
>"I ain't no entertainer, and ain't trying to be one. I am 1
>thing, a musician." � Miles
>
>"When the music stops he falls back in the abyss."


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Appropriate Behavior - http://goo.gl/isCzTM
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and to be clear,
'the streets' (lol) are already 'filled with blood'.

authority figures shed the blood of the opressed all the time.
(since you wanna be melodramatic to dodge the point of the OP.)

No.
Challenges to authority are usually not even CLOSE to violent.
It can be something as simple as saying no. Or presenting a different idea.

"you've got all the authority now"

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"I ain't no entertainer, and ain't trying to be one. I am 1 thing, a musician." � Miles

"When the music stops he falls back in the abyss."

I challenge judges on a daily basis. I did it yesterday and I'll do it today. It's part of the job and if I didn't do it I'd be ineffective. Judges give me high marks for it and other lawyers and most importantly my clients all appreciate it.

fuck you.

>I challenge judges on a daily basis. I did it yesterday and
>I'll do it today. It's part of the job and if I didn't do it
>I'd be ineffective. Judges give me high marks for it and other
>lawyers and most importantly my clients all appreciate it.

how often do you win?

has it hurt your career in anyway?

dude

I have won most of my trials but criminal defense attorneys who ain't skurred will take lots of guilty verdicts. And we should bc most of the ppl we represent SHOULD be actually guilty (bc prosecutors shouldn't bring bullshit cases to trial) and juries SHOULD convict (bc the prosecutors have more re$ources and should be competent). I have a winning record bc I work in jurisdictions where prosecutors tend to bring bullshit cases to trial.

Anyway, even when I don't have trial I can 'win' by getting a case dismissed. Or by getting my client the best plea deal possible. Or if they've been found guilty I 'win' by getting them a favorable sentence. Or i help them through a sentence. Maybe I get them into housing or mental health or drug treatment. It varies.

fuck you.

Sorry, I misunderstood your post . I thought you were referring to things outside the cases or normal bounds of defense. Just being a rebel in general.

dude

>Except for when authority has the power to take your actual
>life, if you are confident in your stance you should always be
>willing to challenge authority. In fact in the professional
>world there's a good chance you won't be respected at all
>until you do.
>
>Challenging authority forces the person in power to validate
>their authority and in the challenge you should be willing to
>concede to it if it is warranted. But you should never kneel
>to it just because of its claim at authority.
>
>I type this now laughing at myself, because I taught it to my
>kids and its going to kick my ass for the rest of my life.
>
>*edit* to make a discussion out of this. At one point this
>was probably almost an american rule, indeed our whole
>education system is built upon this basis which wasn't so much
>about creating educated citizens but about ensuring there was
>an obedient workforce. So I guess the questions are of course
>we realize how stupid that is, can we get rid of al of the
>ways that it creeps its little head up. Or perhaps what we've
>create is a society that only wants to be the authority and so
>they will accept whatever exists under the dream that one day
>they can have the power.
>
>

I agree with this, challenging authority makes everyone better, but the problem is people are stubborn,

Most people in authority don't like to be challenged and can be vindictive if they are insecure and many people who challenge authority will never ever concede even after being proved wrong.

dude

Don't let someone in a position to brush you off brush you off. Be persistent and go for what you want. Don't think macro, about the system and the other people in it. You're person looking for one thing and you can get it.

On the flip side, if your ass in a jam, deny everything. Put the burden on them to nail you. If you're screwed, you're screwed, but don't go screwing yourself.

These things sound simple but most people absolutely do *not* act in accordance with them when it comes to authority and institutions.

And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

especially THIS:

>On the flip side, if your ass in a jam, deny everything. Put
>the burden on them to nail you. If you're screwed, you're
>screwed, but don't go screwing yourself.

fuck you.

Just IMO though.

I had to challenge many people in my workplace to get what I wanted. It took so much courage and I ended having to disrespect some people because they would not adhere to my requests.

Things worked in my favor and now I have autonomy. It is so liberating. That is the fundamental principle of being free.

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