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Lardlad95
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"So....that red meat WILL kill you (swipe)"


  

          

http://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/sausages-ham-are-cancer-causing-red-meat-probably-too-who/ar-BBmrxeK?ocid=ansmsnhealth11


Sausages, ham are cancer-causing, red meat 'probably' too: WHO



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The risk of developing colorectal cancer increases with the amount of processed meats consumed, the WHO says© Provided by AFP The risk of developing colorectal cancer increases with the amount of processed meats consumed, the WHO says
Eating sausages, ham and other processed meats causes colon cancer, and red meat "probably" does too, an arm of the World Health Organization said Monday.

The findings support "recommendations to limit intake of meat," said the International Agency for Research on Cancer (IARC), which compiled a review of more than 800 studies on the link between a meat diet and cancer.

"In view of the large number of people who consume processed meat, the global impact on cancer incidence is of public health importance," IARC official Kurt Straif said in a statement.

For an individual, the risk of getting cancer from eating processed meat was statistically "small", said the agency, but "increases with the amount of meat consumed."

"Each 50-gram (1.8-ounce) portion of processed meat eaten daily increases the risk of colorectal cancer by 18 percent."

The report was compiled by 22 experts from 10 countries.


Each 50-gram (1.8-ounce) portion of processed meat eaten daily increases the risk of colorectal cancer by 18 percent, according to the WHO© Provided by AFP Each 50-gram (1.8-ounce) portion of processed meat eaten daily increases the risk of colorectal cancer by 18 percent, according to the WHO
The evaluation revealed "strong mechanistic evidence supporting a carcinogenic effect" for red meat consumption -- mainly for cancer of the colon and rectum, but also the pancreas and prostate, said the agency based in Lyon, France.

Red meat includes beef, veal, pork, lamb, mutton, horse and goat.

As for processed meat, including hot dogs, sausages, corned beef, dried meat like beef jerky or South African biltong, canned meat or meat-based sauces, there was "sufficient evidence in humans that the consumption of processed meat causes colorectal cancer."

Meat can be processed in various ways, through salting, curing, fermentation or smoking.

Given that red meat is an important source of human nutrition, the results should help governments and regulatory agencies balance the risk and benefits of eating meat, said the agency.

It did not make a finding on whether the cooking method of meat affects the cancer risk.

The agency added processed meat to the same category of cancer-causing agents as tobacco smoke and asbestos, but stressed this did not mean it was just as dangerous.


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We all gotta die sometime.
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*shrugs*
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^^^^
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My wifes granny smoked for 60 years and eats fried fat back... she is 92
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Cool anecdote, bro
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lmao.. i do neither and plan to check out in my early 80'
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Was she on meds and broke off at 92 tho?
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the sun causes cancer ... and blindness ...heat stroke
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mofos tryna take the fun out of EVERYTHG smh
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I've been hearing this since the70s: Nitrates = carcinogen
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These folks stay on that back and forth about....
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Yeah but we didn't eat it in such abundance.
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been known and actually it's highly cooked or grilled meats
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so anything over charcoal or wood wife = bad?
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health nuts are going to feel stupid someday...
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^
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probably done saved AAAALLL their money
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It's the nitrites, not the meat itself
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You know what else has a lot of nitrites? Vegetables.
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it bothers me that folks didnt know this
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pork chops from a good butcher isn't processed at all
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Some perspective from a friend of mine at the Guardian:
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agreed.
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i can't wait to eat my next cheeseburger
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Bacon Causes Cancer? Sort of. Not Really. Ish. (wired swipe)
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It's almost impossible for me to separate this from agenda.
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Frank Longo
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1. "We all gotta die sometime."
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2. "*shrugs*"
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don't care.

fuck you.

  

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4. "^^^^"
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3. "My wifes granny smoked for 60 years and eats fried fat back... she is 92"
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I hate these studies...

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8. "Cool anecdote, bro "
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12. "lmao.. i do neither and plan to check out in my early 80'"
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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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21. "Was she on meds and broke off at 92 tho?"
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It's the quality of old age not quantity lol.

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5. "the sun causes cancer ... and blindness ...heat stroke"
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basically the sun can and will kill you. you probably should never leave your house again.

  

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10. "mofos tryna take the fun out of EVERYTHG smh"
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gonna have a nigga on a lettuce and water diet only coming outside at night type steez

  

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6. "I've been hearing this since the70s: Nitrates = carcinogen"
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so why, exactly, is this news??? Everybody should know this by now. Stay away from meats cured with nitrates and you should be good.


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7. "These folks stay on that back and forth about...."
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...what foods are bad for you only to tell you later that it may not be as bad as previously thought. Folks have been eating red meat for eons yet it's only nowadays in which cancer is much rampant compared to past eras. That means there's something else going on that is the culprit. I'm gonna continue to eat my red meat. We'd mess around and starve to death if we followed all of these food scares.



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19. "Yeah but we didn't eat it in such abundance. "
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9. "been known and actually it's highly cooked or grilled meats "
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more so than just red meat. They've been doing studies on that in Japan for years.

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15. "so anything over charcoal or wood wife = bad? "
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cause that would appear to be the healthier way to go.

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11. "health nuts are going to feel stupid someday... "
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http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/r/reddfoxx105710.html

Health nuts are going to feel stupid someday, lying in hospitals dying of nothing.

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>http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/r/reddfoxx105710.html
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>Health nuts are going to feel stupid someday, lying in
>hospitals dying of nothing.
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17. "probably done saved AAAALLL their money"
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and nothing to spend it on cept bills

  

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13. "It's the nitrites, not the meat itself"
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25. "You know what else has a lot of nitrites? Vegetables."
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People get around 90 percent of their nitrites from them, not an issue really.

  

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14. "it bothers me that folks didnt know this"
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i mean, if you just look at the difference btwn a slice of processed turkey vs a slice of turkey you cooked in the oven, wouldnt it make sense that the former can fuck your shit up?

also, pork chops is white meat and mildly processed.

  

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18. "pork chops from a good butcher isn't processed at all"
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20. "Some perspective from a friend of mine at the Guardian:"
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http://www.theguardian.com/science/sifting-the-evidence/2015/oct/26/meat-and-tobacco-the-difference-between-risk-and-strength-of-evidence

Vegetarians are probably breathing a sigh of relief today as headlines are warning us that processed and cured meats cause cancer. But the way this message has been framed in the media is extremely misleading.

Comparing meat to tobacco, as most news organisations who’ve chosen to report this have done, makes it seem like a bacon sandwich might be just as harmful as a cigarette. This is absolutely not the case.

The headlines are referring to the news that the World Health Organisation has classified cured and processed meats (bacon, salami, sausages, ham) as group 1 carcinogens, because there is a causal link between consuming these meats and bowel cancer. This group also includes tobacco, alcohol, arsenic and asbestos, all known to cause certain cancers.

But just because all these things cause cancer, doesn’t mean they’re all as risky as each other. A substance can increase your risk of cancer a small amount, or, like tobacco, a huge amount. Comparing them like for like is just really confusing to anyone trying to work out how to lead a healthy life.

These brilliant infographics from Cancer Research UK illustrate this perfectly. The risk of lung cancer from smoking is extremely high. Of all cases of lung cancer (44,488 new cases in the UK in 2012), evidence suggests that 86% of these are caused by tobacco. And lung cancer isn’t the only type of cancer caused by smoking. CRUK estimate that 19% of all cancers are caused by smoking. Another way of looking at this is that if smoking was completely eliminated, there would be 64,500 fewer cases of cancer in the UK per year.

In contrast, the recent evidence that suggests a causal link between processed meat and bowel cancer estimates that 21% of bowel cancers (which occurs at slightly lower rates than lung cancer – 41,600 new cases in 2011) were caused by eating processed and red meat. If all such meat was eliminated entirely from our diet, they estimate that 8,800 cases of cancer would be prevented in the UK per year.

All this simplistic reporting ignores a variety of other factors – the amount you consume, for example, is likely to affect your risk a great deal. And that’s not to mention addiction – however much you crave a bacon sandwich at times, it doesn’t contain nicotine.

The WHO have deemed the strength of evidence that processed meats cause cancer to be equivalent to that showing that smoking causes cancer. This means that if you eat a lot of red or processed meats you are increasing your risk of cancer. But to compare it to something as lethal as smoking is confusing and dangerous.

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22. "agreed."
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fuck you.

  

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23. "i can't wait to eat my next cheeseburger"
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it's going to be so delicious.

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24. "Bacon Causes Cancer? Sort of. Not Really. Ish. (wired swipe)"
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http://www.wired.com/2015/10/who-does-bacon-cause-cancer-sort-of-but-not-really/

PERHAPS NO TWO words together are more likely to set the internet aflame than BACON and CANCER. So when the World Health Organization classified processed meat as a group 1 carcinogen, the same category as tobacco—

Hold on. Let me stop right here. Eating bacon is not as bad as smoking when it comes to cancer. Just no.

The way WHO classifies cancer-causing substances, on the other hand? Maybe a little dangerous to your mental health. Because it is really confusing.

Here’s the deal: The WHO’s International Agency for Research on Cancer weighs the strength of the scientific evidence that some food, drink, pesticide, smokable plant, whatever is a carcinogen. What it does not do is consider how much that substance actually increases your risk for actually getting cancer—even if it differs by magnitudes of 100.

The scientific evidence linking both processed meat and tobacco to certain types of cancer is strong. In that sense, both are carcinogens. But smoking increases your relative risk of lung cancer by 2,500 percent; eating two slices of bacon a day increases your relative risk for colorectal cancer by 18 percent. Given the frequency of colorectal cancer, that means your risk of getting colorectal cancer over your life goes from about 5 percent to 6 percent and, well, YBMMV. (Your bacon mileage may vary.) “If this is the level of risk you’re running your life on, then you don’t really have much to worry about,” says Alfred Neugut, an oncologist and cancer epidemiologist at Columbia.

The link, though tiny, may start with an iron-based chemical called heme, found in red meat. Heme breaks down into carcinogenic N-nitroso compounds in the digestive tract. Partially on this basis, the IARC also classified unprocessed red a “probable carcinogen.” But processed meat takes it a step further: The nitrates and nitrites used to cure meat—which is to say, preserve it—also turn into N-nitroso compounds. Grilling, frying, or otherwise cooking the meat at high-temperatures may create yet other cancer-causing compounds.


So it makes sense that cutting down on bacon, hot dogs, salami, and ham reduce cancer risk a little. But it’s hardly the big deal that quitting tobacco would be. Connecting the two, as The Guardian does in its headline, “Processed meats rank alongside smoking as cancer causes—WHO,” misrepresents the IARC’s conclusions.

The IARC is an organization of scientists, not policy makers. It publishes monographs to identify hazards and sift them into five piles: group 1 (carcinogenic), group 2A (probably carcinogenic), group 2B (possibly carcinogenic), group 3 (not classifiable), and group 4 (probably not carcinogenic.) Group 1 includes processed meat, and also asbestos. Also alcohol (boo!) and sunlight (yup!). Identifying hazards involves looking at existing data—lots and lots of it—to do essentially a meta-analysis of studies already out there. And it’s relatively objective. “Hazard identification is the process that is the closest to the generation of scientific data,” say Paolo Boffetta, a cancer epidemiologist at Mount Sinai who has served on similar WHO panels. In other words, IARC studies the studies and generates numbers.

What the IARC doesn’t do—and where things get a lot fuzzier—is risk assessment, or figuring out the danger to humans in the real world. Risk assessment involves looking at different scenarios, finding out real-world exposure levels, and weighing possible benefits. (Useful drugs like Tamoxifen—used to treat breast cancer—are also carcinogens, for example.) Those factors can vary from person to person, country to country. “The issue of whether the monograph program should be amended to also include risk assessment has been raised several times, and each time,” says Boffetta, “the conclusion was it should not. It should let national regulatory agencies do the research.” And after 50 years of doing things one way, it’s not like the IARC can just change its mind.

In a way, the IARC’s commitment to, as Boffetta calls it, “an independent list that was not subject to additional pressures,” makes a kind of sense. But science doesn’t happen in a vacuum—just look at the wave of traffic that crashed the IARC’s website after the meat announcement. The agency can maintain that it’s a dispassionate resource for policymakers, but the public is knocking at its door.


In recent years, says Boffetta, the agency has gotten a lot of attention each time it classified something, and those actions often get “overinterpreted.” “X causes cancer” does not mean that X will definitely give you cancer; it just means that X increases your risk of cancer by some amount, and it can vary wildly from a tiny tiny percentage to 25 fold. Does bacon cause cancer? Sure. A little. Will bacon cause cancer in you? Probably not.

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26. "It's almost impossible for me to separate this from agenda."
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Getting old is weird lol.

But no, there is not enough evidence here to suggest people should swear off red meat.

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