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"Army Ranger instructors says women not held to same standards as men"
Wed Sep-30-15 08:40 PM by RobOne4

  

          

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I mean I had a feeling but hopefully this is not true. If it is how could these women even accept the honor knowing they didnt truely earn it. Also knowing that your peers know you didnt earn it.

http://www.people.com/article/females-rangers-army-congressman-letter

A congressman who is a combat veteran and Ranger graduate has asked the Pentagon's top Army leader to produce documents related to the performance of the females who began Ranger School at Fort Benning, Georgia earlier this year, PEOPLE has learned.

In a letter obtained exclusively by PEOPLE, Rep. Steve Russell, R-Okla., gave outgoing Army Secretary John McHugh until September 25 to produce documents revealing the women's test scores, evaluations, injuries, pre-training and more. The letter was delivered to McHugh's Pentagon office on September 15.

"The training of our combat warriors is paramount to our national defense," Russell wrote to McHugh. "In order to ensure that the Army retains its ability to defend the nation, we must ensure that our readiness is not sacrificed."

The congressman is concerned because "sources at Fort Benning are coming forward to say the Army lied about women in Ranger School, that the women got special treatment and played by different rules," according to a Capitol Hill source with knowledge of why the letter was crafted. "These folks say one thing, the Army says another. Congress needs to know the truth, and Russell reached out to find it."

Ranger instructors – who said they were ordered to remain silent, and fear for their careers for speaking out – gave Russell's office specific examples of the special treatment the women received, the Capitol Hill source says.

The school consists of three phases: Benning, which lasts 21 days and includes water survival, land navigation, a 12-mile march, patrols, an obstacle course and others; Mountain, which lasts 20 days, and includes rigorous mountain training like assaults, ambushes, mountaineering and patrols; Florida/Swamp, which lasts 17 days and covers waterborne operations.

The instructors say that among other things, the women did not carry the same amount of equipment as the men, did not take their turn carrying the heavy machine guns and were given intensive pre-training that was not offered to men, other sources with knowledge of what occurred at the school tell PEOPLE. In addition, men who repeatedly failed crucial phases of the school were sent home while the women were allowed to redo those phases over and over, sources say.

On August 21, two women – First Lts. Kristen Griest and Shaye Haver – graduated. A third woman just failed the third phase in Florida and is being allowed to try it again, sources say.

The women could not be reached for comment but an Army spokesperson insists they passed under their own steam.

"... There was no pressure from anyone to lower any standards – the standards remained the same and the Soldiers that graduated with their Ranger tabs on August 21, 2015 in Ranger Class 8-15 accomplished the very same demanding standards of Ranger School as previous classes," the Army's Lt. Col. Garrett wrote in an emailed statement to PEOPLE.

That's why the congressman wants to see the documents himself, the Capitol Hill source says.

"The only way to resolve the discrepancy is to examine the documents," the source says.

The issue is gaining prominence as the military as a whole moves towards opening all jobs, including combat positions, to females. The positions are slated to be open January 1, unless special exemptions are granted. All services have until October 1 to notify the Secretary of Defense whether they want exemptions.

"Everyone is waiting to see how this plays out with the Army," says Jim Lechner, a retired Army officer and Ranger who was wounded in combat in Mogadishu, Somalia, during the famed "Black Hawk Down" incident.

The issue is crucial, Lechner says. "Combat is brutal and unforgiving. Fighters must be prepared and capable. If they are not, people will die."

Ranger School needs to remain a stark litmus test of who can perform in combat, says a longtime trainer.

"These are our front-line fighters, and they have to have what it takes," says Bubba Moore, a former Ranger instructor with close ties to the Ranger and Fort Benning communities.

A number of "concerned" congressional leaders are watching closely to see the results of Russell's inquiry, a committee staff member says.

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and away we go
Sep 30th 2015
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damn.
Oct 01st 2015
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RE: damn.
Oct 01st 2015
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      *shrugs*
Oct 01st 2015
9
of course it is.
Oct 01st 2015
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yes and the women who applied for Army Ranger School
Oct 01st 2015
4
clearly since the vast majority washed out.
Oct 01st 2015
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      oh, I see.
Oct 01st 2015
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           Pretty sure the SEALs don't let women join out of fact
Oct 01st 2015
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                Oh really? Can kids join the seals?
Oct 01st 2015
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                     you can join at 17 and if you're exceptional then likely yes
Oct 01st 2015
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                          Oh wow! My little 14 yr old cousin is a black belt in karate, or somethi...
Oct 01st 2015
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                               but you don't troll right? lol nm.
Oct 01st 2015
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                               If I did I wouldn't admit it, would I?
Oct 01st 2015
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                               I mean if you want to throw her to wolves -- go for it
Oct 01st 2015
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                                    they'll throw her in front of wolves?
Oct 01st 2015
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                                         My point being the military is a dangerous place for women
Oct 01st 2015
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                                              But the uniforms are hot.
Oct 01st 2015
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                                                   Objection -- his Honour will note that the word 'play' was never used
Oct 01st 2015
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                                                        are we playing law and order?
Oct 01st 2015
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                                                             I'll be the other guy
Oct 01st 2015
29
Isn't a 100 ft. log a tree?
Oct 01st 2015
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      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X1KDqdikd_g
Oct 01st 2015
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           "I realize this exercise can tire your shoulders"
Oct 01st 2015
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                you should type less.
Oct 02nd 2015
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                     so what?
Oct 02nd 2015
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                          Speak for your weak noodle arm having self. Nm
Oct 02nd 2015
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                               you can lift a pecan log roll.
Oct 02nd 2015
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I wouldnt want a woman on my team if she couldnt carry me
Oct 01st 2015
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aint ya'll watch GI. Jane?
Oct 01st 2015
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lol the only scenario where it's feasible -- Hollywood
Oct 01st 2015
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I just want to point out how much deference these standards were given
Oct 01st 2015
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lol
Oct 01st 2015
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yep
Oct 02nd 2015
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duh.
Oct 01st 2015
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wait a minute now you are changing your story?
Oct 01st 2015
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      I was stating what I got from that article
Oct 01st 2015
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The cynic in me is wondering
Oct 01st 2015
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but that doesnt change that they were allowed to retake courses
Oct 01st 2015
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Again, we don't know that this applies to the women who graduated
Oct 01st 2015
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very true
Oct 01st 2015
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      Or maybe they're not lying morons and the women passed
Oct 01st 2015
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           I guess you missed the emphasis on IF
Oct 01st 2015
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men routinely retkae the course
Oct 01st 2015
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depends on WHY they failed
Oct 02nd 2015
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part of the test was seeing if the women would demand the same weight
Oct 01st 2015
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^^^^ never served in the army
Oct 01st 2015
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      what i heard on npr was the women was volunteering
Oct 01st 2015
      I'm pretty sure you know the answer to your question
Oct 02nd 2015
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           They don't care if men die. They just LOVE the idea of having women
Oct 02nd 2015
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      .
Oct 01st 2015
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right. why are they giving them lighter anything? either they can do it
Oct 01st 2015
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Did you say machine guns? LOL What? No modern soldier ever said.
Oct 01st 2015
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      How would you describe the 60?
Oct 02nd 2015
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      We just called it an M60. No one says machine gun LOL
Oct 02nd 2015
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      wrong
Oct 02nd 2015
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           WE alwasys use the number of the weapon, never said Machine Gun
Oct 02nd 2015
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I guess gender is not a construct after all.
Oct 01st 2015
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That's all anon bs
Oct 01st 2015
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thx.. but even this sounds fishy IMO
Oct 02nd 2015
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      the idea that he'd lie about this is fishy...
Oct 02nd 2015
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.
Oct 01st 2015
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didn't get to do a full response before, but the allegations smell fishy
Oct 02nd 2015
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interesante.
Oct 02nd 2015
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agree with this too
Oct 02nd 2015
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I recall an article where a Ranger said the standards were arbitrary
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1. "and away we go"
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2. "damn."
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it sounds like the Army may have taken steps to help the women succeed possibly b/c it valued their service and maybe someone somewhere thought it was important that these women graduate. which sounds quite awesome to me. probably b/c i'm unwilling to place much value in unbending standards or the idea that women shouldn't serve in combat.

i think it'll be a shame if the results of this investigation reveal that what happened here is 'improper'. b/c i'm not sure it is. or, as of now i have no problem w/what i just read.

fuck you.

  

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8. "RE: damn."
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>i think it'll be a shame if the results of this investigation
>reveal that what happened here is 'improper'. b/c i'm not
>sure it is. or, as of now i have no problem w/what i just
>read.

well if any of the things listed happened then it was improper. Gotta let everyone retake portions of the class. Gotta let everyone retake them. I mean I understand why you want women to get through the course and become Rangers. Great PR. But to think you could do these things and keep it completely silent is just stupid. Especially in the boys club that is the Army/military. Shit even if they got through with out the extra help you had to see probes like this coming from the jump.

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9. "*shrugs*"
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fuck you.

  

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3. "of course it is. "
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women simply dont have the strength and bone density to handle the physical nature of the training. yes a ronda rousey type chick MAYBE but the average woman? is not lifting now 100 ft log & holding it over her head for hours. not gonna happen.


does it really matter?

wonder what bin's doing?
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4. "yes and the women who applied for Army Ranger School"
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are definitely closer to 'average' women than to Ronda Roussey.

succinct analysis, pal.

bring us more of it!

fuck you.

  

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6. "clearly since the vast majority washed out. "
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as the vast majority of men do.

its not for everybody...KINDA the point. if you cant hack it...youre not cut out for it. male or female. cry more.


does it really matter?

wonder what bin's doing?
http://i.imgur.com/phECCMp.jpg

  

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7. "oh, I see."
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I didn't not know this. I thought anyone who applied could be an army ranger. Like the marines and the navy seals.

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11. "Pretty sure the SEALs don't let women join out of fact"
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Equality just doesn't need to happen everywhere

  

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13. "Oh really? Can kids join the seals?"
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fuck you.

  

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14. "you can join at 17 and if you're exceptional then likely yes"
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they will take children

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16. "Oh wow! My little 14 yr old cousin is a black belt in karate, or somethi..."
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I should tell her to apply to be a navy seal. She can fall back on being a marine, I guess.

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17. "but you don't troll right? lol nm."
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21. "If I did I wouldn't admit it, would I?"
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fuck you.

  

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18. "I mean if you want to throw her to wolves -- go for it "
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22. "they'll throw her in front of wolves?"
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I think she'd dig that! She loves dogs.

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24. "My point being the military is a dangerous place for women "
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more so than the streets it would seem. Want to increase your chances of being assaulted then sign up. Why would anyone want that risk for their kin was what I was getting at, but hey I know the sarcasm dial is turned all the way up right now.

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25. "But the uniforms are hot."
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At least some of them. Plus they get to play with wolves, as you said.

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27. "Objection -- his Honour will note that the word 'play' was never used "
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I'm briscoe!

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10. "Isn't a 100 ft. log a tree?"
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>is not lifting now 100
>ft log & holding it over her head for hours. not gonna
>happen.

I have, intentionally, zero knowledge of what occurs at this training. Is this actually something they do or just something you borrowed from Norse mythology because something something men and bone density?

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20. "https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X1KDqdikd_g"
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X1KDqdikd_g

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26. ""I realize this exercise can tire your shoulders""
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I love the smugness with which that note was delivered.

I kind of imagine that having somebody substantially taller or shorter than the other folks on that log would be a bigger problem than somebody weaker. But maybe not.

edit: it also seems worth pointing out that the only resemblance between that kind of awesome video and whatever the fellow above me was describing is the presence of a log.

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49. "you should type less."
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let me make this simple for you. that training...was lifting a log. right? as a unit. right? men are better at that. period. the end.

if it makes you feel better women are better at organizing shit.


does it really matter?

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50. "so what?"
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so what if 'women' are not as good as 'men' at lifting a fucking log?

you and i couldn't lift a log.

there are women who can.

those women have a shot at being army rangers. as well they should.

period.

fuck you.

  

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51. "Speak for your weak noodle arm having self. Nm"
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54. "you can lift a pecan log roll."
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but that's about it.

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5. "I wouldnt want a woman on my team if she couldnt carry me"
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to safety like they are trained to do.

Will they have different missions or different responsibilities?

ionno about this one.. put her on sniper duty or something but full missions and she want carry her gear? nah...

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12. "aint ya'll watch GI. Jane?"
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-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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15. "lol the only scenario where it's feasible -- Hollywood "
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19. "I just want to point out how much deference these standards were given"
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when announcements came about women entering combat roles. From Rachel Maddow to OKP trolls EVERYONE said of COURSE these women will go through the same standards. Oh, and if you think they can't you're sexist!

Appalling intellectual dishonesty will follow.

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23. "lol"
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>From Rachel Maddow to OKP trolls EVERYONE said of COURSE these women will go through the same standards. Oh, and if you think they can't you're sexist!

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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56. "yep"
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Let me sport my Air Hyperbole 2010s in peace. (c) ansomble

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32. "wait a minute now you are changing your story?"
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http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=4&topic_id=12881854&mesg_id=12881854&listing_type=search#12881932

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ThaTruth
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35. "I was stating what I got from that article"
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31. "The cynic in me is wondering "
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If these instructors gave the women lighter loads and didn't make them carry the machine guns specifically so they could discredit them.

  

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33. "but that doesnt change that they were allowed to retake courses"
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I think that is the biggest foul in the whole ordeal. You cant get through a phase of the training then you are washed out and have to try the whole thing again. There should be no do overs.

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34. "Again, we don't know that this applies to the women who graduated "
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But, you're right. Extra chances are the most damning part.

  

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RobOne4
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37. "very true"
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the thing that blows my mind the most with this all is IF they indeed help the women get through Ranger School via special treatment and tried to keep it quiet then they are morons. No way were other Ranger School attendees or Ranger School instructors going to sit by and let that shit happen with out speaking up. Of course this info was going to get leaked. Even if nothing was leaked you know there were going to be skeptics who were going to dig into this matter regardless. So why put your career and reputation in jeopardy over this?

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45. "Or maybe they're not lying morons and the women passed "
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46. "I guess you missed the emphasis on IF"
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40. "men routinely retkae the course"
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http://www.armytimes.com/story/military/careers/army/2015/05/08/women-ranger-school-recycle/26984151/

  

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59. "depends on WHY they failed"
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...but it's common practice for both men and women to fail a part of that kind of training and b allowed to retake it at another time...again, it depends on the why....

and it's a good thing, but...ok...

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36. "part of the test was seeing if the women would demand the same weight"
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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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38. "^^^^ never served in the army"
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One of the first things they taught me in basic training was "never volunteer for anything". Assuming the women knew they were carrying less weight, the only way the military would frown upon their not asking for more is is the men were carrying the weight for them.

  

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"what i heard on npr was the women was volunteering"
Thu Oct-01-15 06:16 PM by ndibs

          

to carry heavy machine guns and take the loads off men, when the men were struggling. all this is hearsay though. what i heard on npr and the info in this post.

there's no real reason to include women. this is a life or death thing. are they really going to include women if and where they're not pulling their weight and there's serious risk to the other soldiers?

is there any good reason to do this?

  

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52. "I'm pretty sure you know the answer to your question"
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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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65. "They don't care if men die. They just LOVE the idea of having women "
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Around and these army guys are super feminists.

  

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41. "."
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42. "right. why are they giving them lighter anything? either they can do it"
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or they can't

  

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47. "Did you say machine guns? LOL What? No modern soldier ever said."
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60. "How would you describe the 60?"
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64. "We just called it an M60. No one says machine gun LOL"
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61. "wrong"
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http://armypubs.army.mil/doctrine/DR_pubs/dr_a/pdf/fm3_22x68.pdf

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63. "WE alwasys use the number of the weapon, never said Machine Gun"
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39. "I guess gender is not a construct after all."
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Rest In Peace, Bad News Brown

  

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43. "That's all anon bs"
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http://m.ajc.com/news/news/state-regional-govt-politics/two-women-make-history-and-finish-rigorous-us-army/nnNmX/

Men who were there say the exact opposite, they volunteered to carry extra, while men said the couldn't. I'll take that over anonymous sources. The instructors had the option to fail the others out if they wanted to like they did all the other women.

  

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53. "thx.. but even this sounds fishy IMO"
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no one else would help dude but the female?

yeah.. OK.

If it's true she is awesome and fuck those other dudes who wouldn't help him.





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58. "the idea that he'd lie about this is fishy..."
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you think someone put him up to it and he's going to be able to go back to this group of rangers and not get a whole bunch of crap about it if it's untrue?

  

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44. "."
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48. "didn't get to do a full response before, but the allegations smell fishy"
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especially since Ranger students are evaluated by their peers in addition to their trainers. it would have to be a grand conspiracy involved just to clear that hurdle, especially if they weren't actually carrying their share of the weight.

everything else just seems like nitpicky and ignorant reporting--

they did special physical training to get prepared for the school? so does every fucking unit and installation in the Army.

http://www.army.mil/article/106545/Ranger_PT_challenges_field_artillery_students/

they recycled phases multiple times? so do many other rangers.

https://www.reddit.com/r/army/comments/2jco8j/those_who_have_their_ranger_tab_how_long_did_it/

there isn't much secret to the sauce here.

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55. "interesante."
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fuck you.

  

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57. "agree with this too"
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definitely skeptical of people looking the other way in concert like that even with these late anonymous snitches

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62. "I recall an article where a Ranger said the standards were arbitrary"
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And needed to be changed anyway. Weight was a particular focus from what I remember. He said that in critical situations they are actually more likely to jetison weight and travel lighter.

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