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"Army Ranger School to graduate its first female students ever (swipe)"


  

          

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/checkpoint/wp/2015/08/17/history-made-first-female-soldiers-to-graduate-army-ranger-school/

Two female soldiers will graduate from the Army’s grueling Ranger School on Friday, becoming the first women to ever complete what is considered one of the U.S. military’s most difficult and premier courses to develop elite fighters and leaders, a senior Army official said.

The accomplishment marks a major breakthrough for women in the armed services at a time when each of the military branches is required to examine how to integrate women into jobs like infantryman in which they have never been allowed to serve. But even as the two new female graduates will be the first women allowed to wear the prestigious Ranger Tab on their uniforms, they still are not allowed to try out for the elite 75th Ranger Regiment, a Special Operations force that remains closed to women and has its own separate, exhausting requirements and training.



The women will receive the Ranger Tab alongside dozens of male service members in a ceremony at Fort Benning, Ga., the home of Ranger School’s headquarters, a senior Army official said Monday night. The official spoke on condition of anonymity while the Army finalized a news release.

The event is expected to draw not only family and friends, but hundreds of well-wishers and media from across the country. The female graduates are expected to speak to the media for the first time Thursday alongside instructors and other soldiers at Ranger School.

The women have not been identified by the Army, but both are officers and graduates of the U.S. Military Academy at West Point, N.Y., Army officials said. The female graduates started Ranger School on April 20 alongside 380 men and 17 other female soldiers in the first class to ever include women. The female soldiers were allowed into Ranger School as part of the Army’s ongoing assessment of how to better integrate women.


A female Ranger student tackles rappel training during the second phase of Ranger School at Camp Frank D. Merrill in northern Georgia on July 12. (Photo by Staff Sgt. Scott Brooks/ U.S. Army)
Some skeptics, especially in the military, have questioned whether the women were given an easier path to graduation. But senior Army officials have insisted that is not the case, and opened Ranger School to media for a few days during each phase to underscore the point and allow Ranger instructors and others involved in their evaluation to speak.

The course includes three phases: The Darby Phase at Fort Benning, the Mountain Phase in northern Georgia’s Chattahoochee National Forest and the Florida Phase on and around Eglin Air Force Base on the Florida Panhandle. About 4,000 students attempt Ranger School each year, with some 1,600 — 40 percent — graduating. They include some service members who serve in the Ranger Regiment, but also many others who serve in jobs ranging from military police to helicopter pilot.



The course is 61 days for students who complete each phase on the first try. But only a minority do so. In the April class, for example, 37 of the 380 male students — about 10 percent — advanced directly through training, graduating earlier this summer. The remainder of the students — including all of the women — have struggled more than that.

The nineteen female students were whittled to eight in April during an initial assessment that includes everything from chin-ups to push-ups to an exhausting 12-mile road march through Fort Benning’s hills while carrying a full combat load. All eight women then failed the first Darby Phase twice, and only three were allowed to try Ranger School again. They did so as a “Day 1 recycle,” an option that is offered on occasion to both men and women who excel in some aspects of Ranger School, but fall short in something specific that can be improved.

Soldiers take on Ranger School's challenging mountain phase
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Students at Ranger School attend the Mountain Phase course based at Camp Frank D. Merrill in northern Georgia. Those who completed it must next pass the Florida Phase, operating in swamps. (Video courtesy the U.S. Army)
Two of the three women left then passed through the Mountain Phase on the first try in July, and completed the 17-day Florida Phase over the weekend. The third woman was held back in the Mountain Phase last month; her status was not immediately clear Monday night.

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How much did FET (female engagement teams) play a part in these doors be...
Aug 17th 2015
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I think the effect of the FETs is a bit overstated
Aug 18th 2015
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      Had no idea it went that far back
Aug 18th 2015
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if they did it with out the easier path props to them
Aug 17th 2015
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the article basically says that they didn't
Aug 18th 2015
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      no it doesn't.
Aug 18th 2015
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           actually it does.
Aug 18th 2015
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                oh okay.
Aug 18th 2015
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I can't imagine how much dumb shit they had to endure just to make it.
Aug 17th 2015
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beast mode.
Aug 18th 2015
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we're in a new normal
Aug 18th 2015
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Enemy already does that with Women civilian workers
Aug 18th 2015
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is it really?
Aug 18th 2015
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we're fighting dudes who want to wrap your girl in sheets bro
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No it isn't and by the time the enemy gets to them our soldiers have
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      there is an appeal to war for a certain kind of person
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      wait, what?
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           What I'm getting at is despite the fact that sexual assault is common
Aug 23rd 2015
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perfect sig. 'does it really matter?'
Aug 18th 2015
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Amritsar
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1. "How much did FET (female engagement teams) play a part in these doors be..."
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At this point, that might be one of the few good things to come from Iraqi freedom And Afghanistan

  

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Jay Doz
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4. "I think the effect of the FETs is a bit overstated"
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Considering the limits of their scope and utilization. I think it says more about the modern Army and how we reshaped our military to respond to our counter-insurgency strategy rather than the FETs. FETs got a lot of publicity, but women have been leading and supporting combat operations for the entirety of the wars. Everything from clearing MSRs ahead of security patrols or logistics convoys, partnered patrolling with local law enforcement agencies (training those individuals on insurgent interdiction and detention operations), or even delivering rotary-wing aviation support on board multi-million dollar gunships. That and women have been serving on Battalion- and Brigade-level staffs for decades, overseeing everything from operations planning to the command and control of maneuver assets. I think all of this did more to build this reality that had the policy wonks at the Pentagon scratching their heads--how can we say that we don't want women in these roles when we're already sending them out into the sticks three times a day to find insurgents or clear IEDs?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transformation_of_the_United_States_Army

Gender segregation doesn't really make sense in our modular brigade framework IMO. “Men do this, women do this” made sense in the silos created by the old regimental system, I suppose--but the end of the Cold War made that delineation obsolete, and I think the segregation is an anachronism from that era.

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Amritsar
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9. "Had no idea it went that far back"
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Guess that's why I asked you lol

  

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2. "if they did it with out the easier path props to them"
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I really hope that's the truth

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7. "the article basically says that they didn't"
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Mike Jackson
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10. "no it doesn't."
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13. "actually it does."
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Mike Jackson
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16. "oh okay. "
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3. "I can't imagine how much dumb shit they had to endure just to make it."
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Props to them no matter what.

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5. "beast mode."
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good for them

still shouldnt be in combat. first woman thats kidnapped & held as a POW by the enemy...well...you know what she will get


does it really matter?

wonder what bin's doing?
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Jay Doz
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6. "we're in a new normal"
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http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/nation/2003-11-06-lynch_x.htm

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8. "Enemy already does that with Women civilian workers"
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Like that one young girl who was reportedly raped by baghdadi



It's kind of a big fuck you to them for us to send women soldiers into battle so I love it

  

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11. "is it really?"
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>It's kind of a big fuck you to them for us to send women
>soldiers into battle so I love it

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Amritsar
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15. "we're fighting dudes who want to wrap your girl in sheets bro"
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and put her in the cupboard lol


Even if ISIS fighters never actually see one of these women on the battlefield - they know about it. Thats enough of a fuck you to them.


Psychological warfare part of the game too brah










(yeah yeah I know about the all-women isis police force in Mosul. They're an exception)

  

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12. "No it isn't and by the time the enemy gets to them our soldiers have"
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likely already done their worst. Personally I don't get it, but one woman told me if a woman wants to be desired by a lot of men she joins the military. Plus maybe for some women-- the idea of sexual assault isn't that big a deal-- sort of like how some men don't fear death. I don't know. War is the enemy of the poor though-- that much I do know.

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14. "there is an appeal to war for a certain kind of person"
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And yes the type of women who joined the marines for example were invariably not cute but utter bad asses esp physically. And we're promptly scooped by higher ranking NCOs soon as they came on base.

  

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18. "wait, what?"
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>Plus maybe for some women-- the
>idea of sexual assault isn't that big a deal-- sort of like
>how some men don't fear death. I don't know. War is the enemy
>of the poor though-- that much I do know.

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19. "What I'm getting at is despite the fact that sexual assault is common "
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In the military (man/men to woman and man/men to man) it's odd that women still sign up in the numbers that they do. It's hard to believe that the risks are unknown although that may very well be the case in some instances. So perhaps there's a type of woman who weighs that and says "I hope it doesn't happen, but if so, than so be it." or somehow finds the reward to be worth the risk.

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17. "perfect sig. 'does it really matter?'"
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b/c the answer is 'no'.

lol

fuck you.

  

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