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John Forte
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"Does The NOI/Scientology connection taint the upcoming MMM for you?"


          

I kinda don't want to fuck with anything involving Farrakhan.

  

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not more than the org's continuing virulent homophobia.
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would/will you attend?
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not even if they offered to put me on a lazy susan in front of a million...
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Why is it that when people object to homosexuality you scream homophobia...
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objecting to homosexuality = homophobia.
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Naw. I disagree.
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i'm sure YOU do.
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      You know, I try to have a real dialog with you and you play it off.
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           i don't want to have dialogue w/you on this issue.
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                Well, pretend it's not me.
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                     LMAO
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                          +1
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                               +2
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                                    one thing I can at least respect about Case...
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                                         you admire & revere a known homophobe in Farrakhan
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fear of homosexuality = homophobia
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We worked this out 10 yrs ago, player.
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like, by definition and shit.
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Why is it such a hot button issue for you?
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      What? Man gone with that mess.
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           Because it gets old reading the same arguments ad nauseum
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                So let me get this straight (no pun intended)
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any examples? I'm completely ignorant on their practices these days.
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      nothing recent or specific.
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the MMM is/was bigger than Farrakhan. so no. no taint here.
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this is what I struggle with. I don't want to prop him up
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Why not? What's your objection to him?
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i haven't heard anything about the MMM except for this post.
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and there's that too. There's virtually ZERO buzz about it...compared to...
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I see where you're coming from, but I just believe that the push to atte...
Jul 29th 2015
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Which part is bigger?
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If it wasnt for OKP I wouldnt know about it
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this shit is definitely news to me
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Gets in this line.
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Yeah, I hang out with BlackLivesMatter folks and it hasn't come up once
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Also the site doesn't have time, location, or list of speakers.
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yup. also...take it from me...believe me...because I'm privy....
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for me, the visual & symbolic show that despite the ills of the past 20 ...
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      That's legit.
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      i feel you
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      Well, yeah.
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      definitely.
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exactly, niggas will attend all types of shit but make up
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bang.
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solidarity versus personal belief.
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farrakhan is awful.
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I almost guarantee there will be 999,999,999 men there
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There might be 9,999 men there. Total.
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      lol
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      AND THAT WOULD BE A SHAME,. SOWHAT
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           i don't think so.
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^^^^^ Yup
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Taints it further for me. I don't have a lot of trust for NOI or him.
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Does it promote the dismantling of homophobia and misogyny?
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Count me out.
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nah you cant turn this sugar to shit.
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SoWhat
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1. "not more than the org's continuing virulent homophobia."
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fuck you.

  

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2. "would/will you attend?"
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4. "not even if they offered to put me on a lazy susan in front of a million..."
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fuck you.

  

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3. "Why is it that when people object to homosexuality you scream homophobia..."
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Wed Jul-29-15 08:24 AM by Case_One

          

I'm just asking. Not looking for a debate. Why can't someone just find homosexuality objectionable and not be labeled as homophobic or a closet homosexual?


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5. "objecting to homosexuality = homophobia."
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fuck you.

  

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6. "Naw. I disagree. "
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You have to provide a better response than an equal sign.


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7. "i'm sure YOU do."
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fuck you.

  

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10. "You know, I try to have a real dialog with you and you play it off. "
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Right. Nothing.
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"Love your haters until they can love themselves and then love them further." ~ J. Case

  

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12. "i don't want to have dialogue w/you on this issue."
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fuck you.

  

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14. "Well, pretend it's not me."
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25. "LMAO"
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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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39. "+1"
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41. "+2"
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I wanna go to where the martyrs went
the brown figures on the walls of my apart-a-ment...

  

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48. "one thing I can at least respect about Case..."
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he OWNS up to his homophobia


like he's in post after post talking about he hates the "f@gs" - you


but you on the other hand...

  

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50. "you admire & revere a known homophobe in Farrakhan"
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im sure you respect case, as well.

your hypocrisy (& idiocy) is endless lol.

yea, i used to say faggot on OKP (about a decade ago). i realized i was wrong and stopped saying it (along with retard). i grew up. it happens...(to *most* of us, clearly there are some exceptions)

run along rupinder dolezal.





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42. "fear of homosexuality = homophobia "
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I honor the place in you in which the entire Universe dwells.

  

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43. "We worked this out 10 yrs ago, player."
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I'm not doing it again.

fuck you.

  

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45. "like, by definition and shit."
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-30-
You know it's drama, but it sound real good.

  

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8. "Why is it such a hot button issue for you?"
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Anytime there's a post on sexuality its the same players acting out the same scenes and you're always in them.

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9. "What? Man gone with that mess. "
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>Anytime there's a post on sexuality its the same players
>acting out the same scenes and you're always in them.
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Now even so, but if it were, why do you even care? I'm asking this man a question since HE BROUGH the matter up. And I as the question because the Lable Keeps Getting Toss on folks without any validation.



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18. "Because it gets old reading the same arguments ad nauseum"
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And if there was an ignore feature I'd have hit it long ago.
But as things stand I'm constantly finding myself skipping over lines and lines of unrelated text to get past your "genuine curiosities" that you seem to not find here.

It's as simple as I hate scrolling past your same arguments about the same subjects particularly if I'm in a slow network area.

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22. "So let me get this straight (no pun intended)"
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You seem to love exaggerating the facts and are bothered rather easily. Crying about having to skip over ... get a grip.

Anyway, someone can blatantly make wrong character statements in a general manner and you're cool with that. I asked a dude to explain his consistent motive for such bad practices and you're mad at that.

Really my dude? You sounding like Meek now.



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35. "any examples? I'm completely ignorant on their practices these days."
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are you talking propaganda or physical violence, or both?

and is this primarily a Chi-town thing you're referencing?

  

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40. "nothing recent or specific."
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just old stuff the org never disowned.

fuck you.

  

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11. "the MMM is/was bigger than Farrakhan. so no. no taint here."
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"Get ready..for your blessing..."

  

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13. "this is what I struggle with. I don't want to prop him up"
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and the MMM will, in fact, restore him to a position of prominence

  

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15. "Why not? What's your objection to him?"
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16. "i haven't heard anything about the MMM except for this post."
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i dunno that this march is going to be as large as the one in 1995.

fuck you.

  

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19. "and there's that too. There's virtually ZERO buzz about it...compared to..."
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this time in 1995.
I'm going to be here.....
Hope i'm joined by at least a few thousand others....


"Get ready..for your blessing..."

  

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17. "I see where you're coming from, but I just believe that the push to atte..."
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will be more driven by the desire to reunion and remember and renew the fever of 20 years ago. For me it's that anyway.

My mindset on a LOT of issues has done a complete 180 since 1995 when I was a freshman at an HBCU surrounded by like minds and not initiated into the way the world REALLY works.... But there's still a strong undercurrent of "Me and my Brothers gotta keep pushing forward and being the Men that we're supposed to be" despite our differences and different opinions and beliefs.


"Get ready..for your blessing..."

  

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20. "Which part is bigger?"
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I just found out about it through this post, questioned myself for being disinterested, went to the page to find out what else is going on during the event, clicked the features link and they're all about him.

www.justiceorelse.com is the url I came up with.

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23. "If it wasnt for OKP I wouldnt know about it"
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no buzz at all...

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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33. "this shit is definitely news to me"
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46. "Gets in this line."
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Everything looks like Oprah kissing Harvey Weinstein these days

  

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54. "Yeah, I hang out with BlackLivesMatter folks and it hasn't come up once"
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24. "Also the site doesn't have time, location, or list of speakers. "
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It says it'll be on the mall but there's a pretty big chunk of the mall torn up and will be until I think 2017.

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27. "yup. also...take it from me...believe me...because I'm privy.... "
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that project was timed to start when it did for several reasons....
one of them was indeed the 20th anniversary of the MMM. Coupled with the construction of the National Museum of African American History & Culture being constructed 1 block away from the washington monument.

"Get ready..for your blessing..."

  

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26. "for me, the visual & symbolic show that despite the ills of the past 20 ..."
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there's still a mass of Black men that haven't forgotten what that day meant for them.

I think one of the biggest things that happened that day was the show of solidarity amongst that many Black men. We coulda all just shown up and stood around for 20-min...and I believe that would have been PLENTY... i'm glad more when on...but the minute I walked onto the mall and was surrounded by that many of my brethren??? shiiiiit...I was good. I didn't need to hear any speeches or nothing.

I think a lot of the Black youth would benefit from that same experience today. Sometimes you just need to be around your people, in a positive setting. Kinda like church I guess...

"Get ready..for your blessing..."

  

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28. "That's legit. "
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29. "i feel you "
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32. "Well, yeah."
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fuck you.

  

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44. "definitely. "
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lets not forget who got the ball rolling for that to happen in the first place tho


Ministers done some great things. Some questionable things. Fortunately, most of us can hold both of those thoughts in our head at the same time

  

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21. "exactly, niggas will attend all types of shit but make up"
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a shit load of excuses when it comes to something like the MMM.

that being said, I won't be attending th8s one because it's too close to the birth of my first born.

I was at the first one tho...

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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30. "bang."
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Tha Anthology (Words 2001-2003) Poetry inspired by OKP and Wash, DC
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31. "solidarity versus personal belief. "
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very interesting slippery slope.

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Mike Jackson
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34. "farrakhan is awful."
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36. "I almost guarantee there will be 999,999,999 men there"
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that are not Farrakhan.

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37. "There might be 9,999 men there. Total."
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fuck you.

  

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38. "lol"
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I wanna go to where the martyrs went
the brown figures on the walls of my apart-a-ment...

  

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53. "AND THAT WOULD BE A SHAME,. SOWHAT"
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55. "i don't think so."
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b/c...Farrakhan.

fuck you.

  

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52. "^^^^^ Yup"
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"The world is before you and you need not take it or leave it as it was when you came in." - James Baldwin

  

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47. "Taints it further for me. I don't have a lot of trust for NOI or him."
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Post 9/11 when people are blowing up hella shit it might not be so wise for as many black men as possible to not be at work, but instead gathered in one place where the security will be focused on the threat they believe the group of men represents as opposed to the security and safety of the group.

In other words let's just make it easy for whatever negative elements of the dominant culture to attack us.

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Everything looks like Oprah kissing Harvey Weinstein these days

  

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49. "Does it promote the dismantling of homophobia and misogyny?"
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If not, then I aint marchin anywhere with them.

  

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51. "Count me out."
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I think the criteria to establish solidarity between people extends far beyond skin color
and I refuse to listen to Farrakhan or his advocates speaking at length over issues that
I think they're ill-equipped to address.

  

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56. "nah you cant turn this sugar to shit."
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<--- Big Baller World Order

  

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