That 1st pic makes me want to kick the legs from under his chair.

http://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/how-dick-cheney-looked-on-911

Thoughts?

https://www.flickr.com/photos/usnationalarchives/sets/72157656213196901

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fuck do you drown puppies in your down time?

November 8th, 2005 The greatest night in the history of GD!

That fool help found it and it describes how change needed to happen via a catastrophic even on US Soil.

Project for the New American Century's website is no longe in exisitance.


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So there's that

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Everything looks like Oprah kissing Harvey Weinstein these days

http://i.imgur.com/qqXVa.gif

November 8th, 2005 The greatest night in the history of GD!

People knew about it beforehand and didn't show up to work that day, mostly the high execs and owners of the property. That's a documented and proven fact.

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They love being hostages.


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about 50,000 people worked in the towers. high-ranking officials, by nature, travel a lot.

the fact that many people weren't at work that day literally means nothing.

i mean, ppl do be late for work.

fuck you.

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NORAD would be conducting drills that mimicked the scenario of hijacked planes deviating from approved flight patterns at the exact same time that 9/11 occurred, such that NORAD operators were questioning as to whether the plane that crashed into the WTC tower was in fact "real world"?

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_Meridian_Plaza

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there's a list of skyscrapers damaged by fire

and they were all left standing.

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you can't understand it with an explanation

and flat-out mistruths in the 9/11 commission report - a new investigation is warranted.

It's neat that people want to discount those who want a deeper investigation as 'nutjobs' - but incidentally - there are thousands of highly educated, intelligent, and concerned citizens demanding more transparency and competent accountability regarding what actually took place.

Look at these credible architects and engineers (whoops, i mean NUTJOBS!) talking about it...! -> http://www.c-span.org/video/?320748-5/washington-journal-architects-engineers-911-truth

is literally textbook structural engineering these days. You have no idea how universally accepted the standard explanation is among those who know the physics.

The "architects and engineers for 9/11 truth" are mostly not architects or engineers, and the few who are, are cranks. Just like someone who looks for a climate scientist who doubts anthropogenic global warming can always find a few, or someone who looks for a doctor who doubts the connection between smoking and cancer can always find a few, 9/11 conspiracy cranks who go looking for 9/11 conspiracy cranks with engineering degrees can always find a few. That doesn't mean their criticisms are justified.

Yes I'm fully aware of your stance on this, yet you have no idea how egregious the 9/11 commission report's findings and explanations are regarding the events that took place.

I've never argued that a controlled demolition took place, and I've certainly never argued that holographic planes were used and no planes touched the towers, that also doesn't mean that we can just shrug off the fact that nanothermite was found at the WTC site without investigating it and getting a credible answer on it.

Because we've never had a situation where planes have crashed into skyscrapers to the degree that was experienced on 9/11, nobody should speak so matter-of-factly without doing the requisite investigation - and your contention that the thousands of architects and engineers who want a more thorough investigation are all 'cooks' is patently false and intellectually lazy, but also not a surprising contention.


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is just how completely, totally, laughably unqualified you are to even be asking these questions. You're not even able to READ the commission's report (or the NIST reports, or any of the other technical summaries), let alone judge them. You don't even know what nanothermite is, let alone what its apparent presence might imply.

A true skeptic admits his limitations and doesn't hop on fads that he's completely unable to judge.

The "requisite investigation" is not something that you're able to do. Sorry. If you were really interested, you would have studied this material at some point. You're stuck depending on the conclusions of the experts, and the experts aren't on your side.

and all things Stravinskian renaissance-man as our resident super-hero to save the day yet again and provide the staunchest defense of the 9/11 Commission Report.

Unfortunately, you haven't done the requisite research, have a poor (at best) understanding of the geo-political policy, national security, clandestine agency, or international law to have an informed opinion on how the 9/11 commission was created.

But please do come back when we need a Teacher's Assistant explanation on introductory physics.

>Unfortunately, you haven't done the requisite research,

I haven't done the requisite research? Just a couple days ago I calculated the characteristic propagating fields for the elastodynamic wave equations. I then used them to build a code that uses nodal discontinuous galerkin methods to calculate the vibration of steel. This is precisely the same kind of code that NIST researchers used to verify that conditions were right in all three buildings for the steel to buckle. It's a completely different project that I'm working on, but that's the power of science, when you know one problem, you know many related ones.

>have a
>poor (at best) understanding of the geo-political policy,
>national security, clandestine agency, or international law to
>have an informed opinion on how the 9/11 commission was
>created.

If you think that you have a more reasoned understanding of any of these issues than any average OKP, including me, then you are seriously deluding yourself.

At any rate, I never claimed to know anything about "clandestine agency." We're arguing about structural stability. Nothing but science is relevant to that issue.

or any meaningful contribution to this community other than snark-laden trolling.

Strav is #ChargedUp tho!


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2.) You would not actually be interested in a scientific paper.

and:

3.) Very few scientific papers have been written on this subject *because there is no controversy*.

Fun.

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also as pointed out above, none of them had airliner-sized holes in them.

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Bush was just along for the ride.
What's with the wives being in the thick of these discussions? They got security clearances?
They look bored to tears lol

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explosives, and all that extra shit(as if flying planes into buildings wouldn't be enough to scare the shit out of people). With Bush's known Saudi connects and Cheney and Rumsfeld's complete lack of morals as evidenced over the years and subsequent war profiteering, along with passing laws that tried to make certain records permanently sealable, it's more of a conspiracy to think they didn't either let it happen or helped orchestrate it in some way. They've surely benefitted from the events enormously.

You want to believe that elected officials are decent people who want the best for their constituents, but these dudes are like Wall Street Fund Managers(scum of the Earth).

I mean there were numerous warnings (from a Senate panel, from a terrorist being held in Germany, etc) and even if there were not it's very simple, they were in command and it happened on their watch. I NEVER comprehended how Bush made 9/11 a feather in his cap when he should have been fucking impeached on the spot for it happening in the first place.

The mechanism for profiteering/exploitation was vast and elaborate. It doesn't suggest to me that they orchestrated it that they rolled out such a full-scale military money grab and individual rights rape so quickly. That's just the nature of the beast.

And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

and more will come in in increments. The strategic reaction to the event, the immediate (as in within an hour) established perpetrator (Bin Laden and radical Islam), and the subsequent rush to war with a nation that had nothing to do with the event are all compelling indicia to open a new investigation.

But the Bush and Rudy love-fest in here is touching. #MissionAccomplished

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why do they have to take the extra leap of George Bush wrapping the WTC foundation in dynamite like Wiley E. Coyote?

why is it not enough to posit the plausible scenario of Bush/Cheney just looking the other way?

>why do they have to take the extra leap of George Bush
>wrapping the WTC foundation in dynamite like Wiley E. Coyote?
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>why is it not enough to posit the plausible scenario of
>Bush/Cheney just looking the other way?

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is the fact that this would be a conspiracy of the highest order:

>why is it not enough to posit the plausible scenario of
>Bush/Cheney just looking the other way?

That's a monstrous conspiracy, and it's telling that former Popular Mechanics debunking fanboys are now regarding this scenario as "plausible" when 5-10 years ago they were cursing out anybody who even mentioned the potentiality that the the NeoCon cowboys may have had working knowledge of the attacks and simply allowed them to happen in order to unravel their geo-strategic takeover of the MidEast.



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there's a huge logic gap between those two theories

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Many more educated, informed, and critical thinking citizens now accept that there is a real possibility that 9/11 was - in a sense - allowed to happen as "a New Pearl Harbor" mechanism upon which paradigm-shift global policy was enacted that benefitted a select few, and burdened the overwhelming majority of the global citizenry. As such, more and more people are demanding a more thorough investigation into 9/11. As they should.

But since you're qualified to render expert opinion on everything from quantum physics, structural engineering, political psychology, to thermodynamics, industrial architecture, and bio-energetic nutrition -- please -- continue to enlighten us.

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>Many more educated, informed, and critical thinking citizens
>now accept that there is a real possibility that 9/11 was - in
>a sense - allowed to happen as "a New Pearl Harbor" mechanism
>upon which paradigm-shift global policy was enacted that
>benefitted a select few, and burdened the overwhelming
>majority of the global citizenry. As such, more and more
>people are demanding a more thorough investigation into 9/11.
>As they should.

There's that "opinion posing as reporting" stance that we so frequently see from you, and from Fox News. You would be more respectable if you admitted your obvious viewpoint.

Anyway, I'm not gonna try to dispute that "many more people" are happy to believe entertaining and elaborate stories completely devoid of evidence. This is nothing new.

>But since you're qualified to render expert opinion on
>everything from quantum physics,

Yup. I've published papers and taught classes on the subject.

>structural engineering,

Well, elastodynamics, yes. Same as above.

>political psychology,

Huh?

>to thermodynamics,

Thermodynamics is a part of quantum physics. So yes.

>industrial
>architecture,

Huh?

>and bio-energetic nutrition

I never claimed to know anything about biology beyond the expected familiarity of an informed general citizen. So I know a hell of a lot more about the subject than you do, but I never claimed anything beyond that very low bar.

We shall add "press secretary" to your extensive list of areas of expertise and mastery.

The gawd Stravinskian: King of all Trades

Incidentally, for all the "papers" you've written, you've yet to produce/publish one that would legitimize your purported scientific fluency. But that's how internet aliases operate.

I get it, it's fun. You do it well. Cheers.

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as if that helps anybody other than Walker/Kasich/Bush/Trump/Whoever eventually exits the clown car.

>Incidentally, for all the "papers" you've written, you've yet
>to produce/publish one that would legitimize your purported
>scientific fluency. But that's how internet aliases operate.

This is a bizarre fixation you have. You really think pointing you toward primary research in theoretical physics would be useful in your discussions of "nonlocal quantum mechanics" or whatever? Go to http://arxiv.org/list/gr-qc/new , open whatever paper strikes your fancy, and add up how many sentences you actually understood.

If it's about "proving" to you that I really do what everybody in here knows I do: sorry, you're not that important. And I wouldn't have to type a single equation to make it clear that you don't know the slightest thing about quantum theory, bioenergetics, or structural engineering. You do that on your own. I mostly just follow you to point and giggle.

>as if that helps anybody other than
>Walker/Kasich/Bush/Trump/Whoever eventually exits the clown
>car.

Actually, national polls have Sanders beating the entire republican field right now in a head-to-head election (including Walker/Kasich/Bush/Trump/Whoever) - but it's ok. I wouldn't expect you to know that, because you're not very knowledgeable nor insightful about politics.

>You really think pointing
>you toward primary research in theoretical physics would be
>useful in your discussions of "nonlocal quantum mechanics" or
>whatever? Go to http://arxiv.org/list/gr-qc/new , open
>whatever paper strikes your fancy, and add up how many
>sentences you actually understood.

Once again, you deflect from your own (lack of) credibility. We're not asking for "a paper" - we're asking for *your* paper. You know, the one(s) you purport to draft with expertise, but have yet to produce even an abstract of.

>If it's about "proving" to you that I really do what everybody
>in here knows I do: sorry, you're not that important.

Important enough for a considerable bulk of your OKP posting to be in continual response to, though. But again, that's how internet aliases operate - it's fun for them. It's fun for me, too.


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>>Walker/Kasich/Bush/Trump/Whoever eventually exits the clown
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>republican field right now in a head-to-head election
>(including Walker/Kasich/Bush/Trump/Whoever) - but it's ok. I
>wouldn't expect you to know that, because you're not very
>knowledgeable nor insightful about politics.

Wait, so you're saying that the guy with clear base support in a field of three candidates is winning in head-to-head matchups against an unsettled field of seventeen candidates?!

Either that's big news, or your amazing skills at political prognostication are being foiled by your complete lack of understanding of basic statistics. My money is on the latter.


>>You really think pointing
>>you toward primary research in theoretical physics would be
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>>whatever? Go to http://arxiv.org/list/gr-qc/new , open
>>whatever paper strikes your fancy, and add up how many
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>Once again, you deflect from your own (lack of) credibility.
>We're not asking for "a paper" - we're asking for *your*
>paper. You know, the one(s) you purport to draft with
>expertise, but have yet to produce even an abstract of.

Yeah, I'm not interested in doxing myself, thanks. I don't know why you find this surprising, considering that I spend a substantial fraction of my time around here arguing with lunatics (yourself a case in point).

If that means that you get to pretend that maybe I don't really know as much as I (for some unknown reason) claim to know about Hilbert spaces, operator theory, PDE systems, Cauchy-Riemann structures, differential structures, twistor geometry, connections on principal bundles, numerical methods, and a thousand other things that nobody around here has any reason whatsoever to care about, so be it.

>Wait, so you're saying that the guy with clear base support in
>a field of three candidates is winning in head-to-head
>matchups against an unsettled field of seventeen candidates?!

Fun way to resist admitting "I was wrong." Pretty creative for a h.s. science teacher.

>>Once again, you deflect from your own (lack of) credibility.
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>>paper. You know, the one(s) you purport to draft with
>>expertise, but have yet to produce even an abstract of.
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>substantial fraction of my time around here arguing with
>lunatics (yourself a case in point).

Still no paper? No work? No credibility?

thanks for clearing that up.


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>Fun way to resist admitting "I was wrong."

Wrong about what? Wrong about the fact that Bernie Sanders has less than a snowball's chance in hell of winning the Democratic nomination, and even less of becoming President? Yeah, on that point I'm most definitely *not* wrong. I'm no political expert, but you are completely full of shit and wishful thinking.

Did you ever read that Barney Frank piece?

>Pretty creative
>for a h.s. science teacher.

I don't know why you think that would wind me up. High school science teaching is one of the noblest professions in the world. I consider it a personal failing that I'm not willing to take the pay cut. I very seriously considered it, though, when I was fretting about the jump from postdoctoral work to faculty jobs.

And for the record, it would not make me any less capable of defusing your bullshit assertions. As I've said before, a high-school student could do that, let alone a teacher.

What do you do, by the way?

"They used to call me Baby Luke....but now? The whole damn 2 Liiiive Crew."

the climate of Bush bashing was so strong it reached unreasonable levels at times

Ppls reaction to him sitting there readin with the kids was one of them IMO

It was actually pretty ballsy to maintain composure as the news was delivered. Whether we like a particular prez or not we still look to them during a crisis

We looked to him and he conveyed calm.


Was there other moments of his presidency I still to this day abhor? Of course. But I feel differently about him on that day at least

I agree - he handled that day well.

fuck you.

https://youtu.be/ke_OgE_V6tQ?t=2m57s


but man after I saw that I think is when I started to change my opinion on how he reacted that day


its really interesting to look at the day from his perspective.


On a day the U.S. economy basically stopped, dude was one of a few with a job still to do

war, war zone, war time, combat zone

then talking about landing in AZ and telling the driving not to worry because Al Qaeda aint there (https://youtu.be/ke_OgE_V6tQ?t=1197). seems a bit premature if you didn't already have the intel that they did/claimed it.

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No other president in our history experienced what bush did on 9/11

Maybe James Madison in 1812 idk. But that's it.


Dude showed some balls on that day. All I'm saying

remember in the immediate aftermath of 9/11 how the partisan shit was put aside.. at least for a couple days?


I'd really like to think that would happen after another terrorist attack


I'd really like to think that


heart says one thing. Brain says another.

these MFers imploded the towers and bldg 7

lied about WMDs

co-signed torture

bulk data collection and lied about it

etc...

= I'm still reading birther memes in 2015!?

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for atleast another 50 years.

"He got us attacked and ignored a warning days before it would happen."

He then would have been the WORST president ever like alot of trolls like to say now.

he's a fucking dick but he held it down. he was way better than patacki the govt.

He was definitely a leader on that day no doubt


I think it's because of the way he used 9/11 for his own political gain Tho


Bush never tried to politically cash in on It the way Rudy did

>Bush never tried to politically cash in on It the way Rudy did

LOL. Somebody needs to look into the Bush Saudi Oil $ empire and the corporate contracts that lined Bush & Cheney family pockets in Iraq after 9/11.

He literally cashed in on it - regardless of the talking points.


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i don't know why you or the idiot troll who replied to you can't separate the two

these kinds of discussions involving international relations and politics is probably more than your tiny brain can handle...but in case you want to continue risking your health, please keep a kleenex handy for nosebleeds.

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take a seat little guy

but that's besides the point.

stop diverting.

what exactly did he do so well that anyone else couldnt have done? give examples please.

prove to me that you have an IQ over 35.

im winding down at work...you have my attention for the next hour or so.

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conveying "calm" = frozen in stupidity and no handler to tell him what to do at the exact moment

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get busy living, or get busy dying.

>conveying "calm" = frozen in stupidity and no handler to tell
>him what to do at the exact moment

such a soft & subtle touch...

and when he said "TO the ppl who knocked these buildings down..."

omg...i was so ready to sign up for the marines!

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I'm by no means a Fan of him, but did you want to see a picture of him balled up in a corner somewhere rocking back and forth?

R.I.P. Loud But Wrong Guy
Dec 29th 2009 - Dec 17th 2017

You're the VP

You can't exactly be at ground zero helping out after an attack like that.

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fuck you.

fam, it's 2015

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ddz2mw2vaEg

ya'll sound like climate deniers arguing with science

good luck with that.

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Everyone knows, unfortunately, about the "architects and engineers for 9/11 truth." If they had a point to make, they would have made it by now.

We also know about that stupid "Oregon Petition" that the global warming deniers think justifies their stupidity.

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america would have rallied around vin diesel if he was the president

and then there's that whole bush saudi royal family connection that we're supposed to overlook while praising his firm leadership..

idiocy knows no bounds.

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it was W. and he did well that day.

fuck you.

not crying on camera?

promising revenge?


*eye roll*


he & cheney were delighted that they now had a springboard to launch their bogus theories of Iraq/Saddam having a hand in 9/11.

dont let my skepticism get in the way of your Bush parade though.

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fuck you.