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"Blk Pastor re: LGBT: "u cant evangelize and antagonize @ the same time""
Mon Jul-27-15 01:22 PM by thegodcam

  

          

https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=60&v=6rHhW3Fnk6I

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/georgia-pastor-gay-equality_55b50b09e4b0074ba5a4d6e2

Georgia Pastor Has No Time For Anti-LGBT Hypocrites
“You can’t evangelize and antagonize at the same time.”

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Posted: 07/26/2015 | Edited: 07/26/2015 01:37 PM EDT

Religious people who are critical of the LGBT community and the recent U.S. Supreme Court decision on same-sex marriage are "hypocritical," Georgia pastor E. Dewey Smith said in a videotaped sermon that was posted Thursday.

Smith, who is pastor of the House of Hope Atlanta in Decatur, Georgia, and the House of Hope Macon, chastised his congregation and others who "demonize and dehumanize" artists and even members of their own choir who are gay while enjoying and benefitting from their work.

"We have done what the slave master did to us," he said. "Dehumanize us, degrade us, demonize us, but then use them for our advantage."

Vocal opponents of homosexuality will cite Leviticus, Smith went on to say, but the same book of the Bible also prohibits eating shellfish, wearing mixed fabrics and sharing a bed with a woman while she's menstruating.

"Here’s my point. We pick and choose the scriptures that we want to use to beat folk up with, rather than look at our own lives."

"Look at your neighbor and tell your neighbor, ‘I don’t condemn you. I don’t judge you. I will preach Christ to you,'" he said. "You can’t evangelize and antagonize at the same time."

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Old or New Testament both draw a hard line homosexuality
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*sets up shop*
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RE: *sets up shop*
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Sidenote: I was looking at alot of his sermons a few months ago
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And LOL @ him shouting out himself at Freaknik in '88.
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or you can drop religion and avoid the cognitive dissonance altogether
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Dropping religion won't happen but they can chill on the hate
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Nah, it's in their scriptures
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      There are better reasons.
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           It's a good example when they quote the "abomination" passage
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           I favour divorce
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           and this is another reason...
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It's not cognitive dissonance tho....it's in the Bible.
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^^^
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Morehouse n/m
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Amen!
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pastors got hype men?
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They always have one.
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Applicable to any teaching endeavor
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he preached outta his doggone body.
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so many questions about that entire scene.....
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I thought dude at 0:07 was about to steal off on the rev
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Hi Case
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yeah I was checkin for him
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307 all over again
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what was that about?
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      Post about creflo dollar and his jet
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           I'm just sitting back because I know the whole sermon
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What do you need me to say sweetie?
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lol
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Dewey got him shook
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      Actually you need to listen to the whole sermon to hear when he called
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           Ur shook becuz u kno he's a better preacher, minister and man than ull
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                Yeah, he's a great preacher. And he's a better pastor too
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RE: Blk Pastor re: LGBT: "u cant evangelize and antagonize @ the same ti...
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He's right BUT it's off-putting to me that he frames queerness/homophobi...
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Atillah Moor
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1. "Old or New Testament both draw a hard line homosexuality "
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And to be honest it's homosexuality between men that is condemed. It seems like folks are still trying to tap dance around the harsher truths within the texts.

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2. "*sets up shop*"
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what y'all need??? I got funnel cakes, nachos and shit... what y'all want???!!!


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"Where was the peace when we were getting shot? Where's the peace when we were getting laid out?
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29. "RE: *sets up shop*"
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Hook a sista up with some Flaming Hot Cheetos. Totally against my diet. But, I will break it to sit around and watch this.

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3. "Sidenote: I was looking at alot of his sermons a few months ago"
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because he's known for breaking out into alot of old hymns and he can actually sing. It's deep Blackness.

  

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4. "And LOL @ him shouting out himself at Freaknik in '88."
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5. "or you can drop religion and avoid the cognitive dissonance altogether"
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All of these rationalizations are more embarrassing than the beliefs themselves.

  

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6. "Dropping religion won't happen but they can chill on the hate "
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Especially with so many homosexuals in the church; they should chill out with the abomination shit

  

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7. "Nah, it's in their scriptures"
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>they
>should chill out with the abomination shit

That's God's word. But, as the pastor said, if you're gonna shout out one, shout 'em all out.

How you gone' preach that homosexuality is an abomination then go to Old Country Buffet/Golden Corral after service is over and feast on pork chops and shrimp?


This is just one of the reasons I find Christians so hypocritical.
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"Where was the peace when we were getting shot? Where's the peace when we were getting laid out?
Where is the peace when we are in the back of ambulances? Where is the peace then?
They don't want to call for peace then.

  

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8. "There are better reasons."
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>How you gone' preach that homosexuality is an abomination then
>go to Old Country Buffet/Golden Corral after service is over
>and feast on pork chops and shrimp?
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>This is just one of the reasons I find Christians so
>hypocritical.


^pork and shellfish are not forbidden after the crucifixion.

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9. "It's a good example when they quote the "abomination" passage"
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11. "I favour divorce"
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It gets to the heart of marriage (if you want a Defense of Marriage Act, outlawing divorce is surely the best first step) and was something that Jesus had some particularly strong words for, whereas he didn't say a thing about homosexuality.

Just IMO though.

  

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13. "and this is another reason..."
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>^pork and shellfish are not forbidden after the crucifixion.

Matthew 5:17-20

17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.


In other words: The Mosaic law that the Jesus himself followed NEVER changes until the end comes.

21+ goes more in depth, and even shows that it can be even more strict that before. Jesus' whole purpose was to show the non-Jew how to live by the word as a perfect example.


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"Where was the peace when we were getting shot? Where's the peace when we were getting laid out?
Where is the peace when we are in the back of ambulances? Where is the peace then?
They don't want to call for peace then.

  

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10. "It's not cognitive dissonance tho....it's in the Bible."
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The whole idea of not judging others really only applies to how Christians are to interface with people outside the faith according to 1 Corinthians: 5.

If someone proclaims themselves to be a Born Again Christian, then they're opening themselves to being held accountable by other Christians. If someone doesn't accept Christianity, it's not supposed to be the duty of the Christian to force them. The Bible does say this.

People heard what they wanted to hear and read what they wanted to read.

  

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14. "^^^"
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12. "Morehouse n/m"
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15. "Amen!"
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16. "pastors got hype men?"
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17. "They always have one. "
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18. "Applicable to any teaching endeavor"
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Hell I was convicted by it myself

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19. "he preached outta his doggone body."
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20. "so many questions about that entire scene....."
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1st. WHO/WHY are there a whole gang of men in grey suites sitting behind that kneewall behind him??

2nd. Why/what is that kneewall behind him?

3rd. Who/why does that dude stand up and approach from behind at the 0:07 mark??? what is he about to do?

4th. 144p video quality... Like..for serious???? they need to get a video equipment ministry on and popping like STAT...

5th. WHY does everyone keep randomly standing up??? what's that all about??

6th. WHY Black folks always yelling at each other?? damn...we can't just be civil and shit for nothing...

church is weird yo.

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25. "I thought dude at 0:07 was about to steal off on the rev"
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He got up so aggressively lol
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>3rd. Who/why does that dude stand up and approach from behind
>at the 0:07 mark??? what is he about to do?
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21. "Hi Case "
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Wed Jul-29-15 12:13 PM by thegodcam

  

          

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22. "yeah I was checkin for him"
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Interesting he didn't post but you know he saw it

  

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24. "what was that about?"
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26. "Post about creflo dollar and his jet"
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Someone posted s link where the pastor was saying some uncouth shirt and we tried to get case to address it but he never did.

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34. "I'm just sitting back because I know the whole sermon"
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Not this soundbite that's being paraded around.

And I agree with not exploiting people or letting them remain in sin without any word of correction.


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27. "What do you need me to say sweetie? "
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"Love your haters until they can love themselves and then love them further." ~ J. Case

  

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31. "lol"
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prototype

stand ur ground, believe in urself,
believe in love, prepare urself for love, remove the negativity from ur life, and accept the love u kno u deserve

  

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32. "Dewey got him shook "
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prototype

stand ur ground, believe in urself,
believe in love, prepare urself for love, remove the negativity from ur life, and accept the love u kno u deserve

  

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33. "Actually you need to listen to the whole sermon to hear when he called"
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everyone to the altar that is "struggling" with homosexuality to be healed and when he started by outlining that God created men and women for a natural order of sex. Not Homosexuality. So, what am I shook about?

This is what happens when you deal and fall in love with soundbites.




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35. "Ur shook becuz u kno he's a better preacher, minister and man than ull"
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Ever be, u kno the impact he's made down here and how u have made none. Keep trolling Okp.com while he's being used to actually save lives

prototype

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believe in love, prepare urself for love, remove the negativity from ur life, and accept the love u kno u deserve

  

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36. "Yeah, he's a great preacher. And he's a better pastor too"
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Because he's been doing both since he was in his early twenties.


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28. "RE: Blk Pastor re: LGBT: "u cant evangelize and antagonize @ the same ti..."
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THANK YOU!!!!!! I have been saying this shit for weeks now!!!! FINALLY a man of the cloth has said exactly what my backsliding ass has been saying forever!!!!!!!

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30. "He's right BUT it's off-putting to me that he frames queerness/homophobi..."
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as something that only men embody & experience.

I think this is an extension of 'all the Blacks are men' thing & also that gay Black men are seen as "nasty" as he puts it b/c of a host of asinine 'reasons.'

Also, weird that all the women appeared to be in the pews & none sitting behind the reverend.

Idk, these are things I noticed.

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