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"Charles Haley: ‘Why don’t you all act like the white guys?"


          

Say this for Charles Haley: the man doesn't hold back in conversation any more than he did on the football field.

The five-time Super Bowl winner and impending Pro Football Hall of Fame inductee recently spoke to the rookies at 49ers training camp, and delivered some blunt advice. "I know they probably got mad," he said, according to the San Jose Mercury-News, "but I said, ‘Why don’t you all act like the white guys? You never see them in the paper getting high or hitting people. Why don’t you act like that?’ They all looked at me crazy.”

Haley acknowledged that he made the statement "for the shock value," regardless of whether it was actually rooted in truth. (As the Mercury-News noted, fullback Bruce Miller, who is white, had just been charged with misdemeanor vandalism in connection with an argument with his then-fiancee. Miller later pleaded no contest.)

"The hardest thing is these guys, they have an attention span of a 5-year-old," Haley said. "I’m not the most gentle and kind person to sit there and deal with that crap. I’m a little more confrontational. I think I got my point across.”


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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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our conditioning has been conditioned.
Jul 24th 2015
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Charles Haley of all friggin ppl
Jul 24th 2015
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RE: Charles Haley: ‘Why don’t you all act like the white guys?
Jul 24th 2015
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. . .
Jul 24th 2015
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      My wife just walked up and caught me watching a Gloria Estefan....
Jul 25th 2015
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http://nypost.com/2008/08/31/boys-will-be-boys/
Jul 24th 2015
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somebody gonna cosign the dude that used to pull his dick out
Jul 24th 2015
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whut?
Jul 24th 2015
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google charles haley's dick. *pause*. f'real, though. this fool
Jul 24th 2015
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this:
Jul 24th 2015
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i was hoping he left that bullshit in San Fran but he did it in Dallas 2
Jul 24th 2015
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thought it was just me lol dude was derranged
Jul 24th 2015
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Hilarisad
Jul 24th 2015
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He's right though (c) SAS
Jul 24th 2015
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didn't they say he took a shit in the middle of the locker room or somet...
Jul 24th 2015
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Charles Haley: The Last Naked Warrior. A brief summary
Jul 24th 2015
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YO
Jul 24th 2015
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      he was a monster of a DE tho
Jul 24th 2015
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      You are a monster of a weirdo
Jul 24th 2015
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           this seems like a weird place to come in w/ that
Jul 25th 2015
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                I give two shits if you know who I am or not
Jul 25th 2015
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      I believe in the book Pearlman writes that one dude socked him.
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      Image from http://i01.i.aliimg.com/img/pb/821/538/597/597538821_214.jpg.
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           4... 5 if you count the Cleveland Rams
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                doesnt have video evidence^^^^
Jul 25th 2015
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                You said the Niners ain't shit
Jul 25th 2015
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                     .... WE GOT THE SAME AMOUNT OF CHIPS according to that picture.
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                          Uh, the Eagles have three championships, fucktard.
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                               FUCK OFF you STALKING ASS BITCH..
Jul 27th 2015
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Toward Me He Charged: A reporter tells of his Charles Haley experiences
Jul 24th 2015
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damn, you beat me to posting this. fucking classic
Jul 25th 2015
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lol smh
Jul 24th 2015
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The only thing sincere is his bigotry lol, what a crock of shit
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Man I feel for real sorry for any women he encountered.
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Binlahab
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1. "our conditioning has been conditioned."
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act like the white guys.

when i dont get the respect i feel i am deserving of...i get confrontational.

  

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2. "Charles Haley of all friggin ppl"
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3. "RE: Charles Haley: ‘Why don’t you all act like the white guys?"
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http://nypost.com/2008/08/31/boys-will-be-boys/

  

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8. ". . ."
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https://youtu.be/k1f_VfWBGTE?t=53

fuck you.

  

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31. "My wife just walked up and caught me watching a Gloria Estefan...."
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CATS music video.
So I probably won't get any tonight

"You are a fucking asshole and I don't like you"-My wife
https://instagram.com/jetpack_jungle/

  

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4. "http://nypost.com/2008/08/31/boys-will-be-boys/"
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>Say this for Charles Haley: the man doesn't hold back in
>conversation any more than he did on the football field.
>
>The five-time Super Bowl winner and impending Pro Football
>Hall of Fame inductee recently spoke to the rookies at 49ers
>training camp, and delivered some blunt advice. "I know they
>probably got mad," he said, according to the San Jose
>Mercury-News, "but I said, ‘Why don’t you all act like the
>white guys? You never see them in the paper getting high or
>hitting people. Why don’t you act like that?’ They all
>looked at me crazy.”
>
>Haley acknowledged that he made the statement "for the shock
>value," regardless of whether it was actually rooted in truth.
>(As the Mercury-News noted, fullback Bruce Miller, who is
>white, had just been charged with misdemeanor vandalism in
>connection with an argument with his then-fiancee. Miller
>later pleaded no contest.)
>
>"The hardest thing is these guys, they have an attention span
>of a 5-year-old," Haley said. "I’m not the most gentle and
>kind person to sit there and deal with that crap. I’m a
>little more confrontational. I think I got my point
>across.”
>
>
>

  

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5. "somebody gonna cosign the dude that used to pull his dick out"
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in meetings and film sessions.

and try to paint this old deranged ni&&a as someone to listen to because he's cosigning THEIR brand of bullshit, and then i'm gonna laugh.


peace & blessings,

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7. "whut? "
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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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10. "google charles haley's dick. *pause*. f'real, though. this fool "
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used to cuss out as well as physically fight coaches and players.

and would pull his dick out in meetings (with the 49ers AND the cowboys), and sometimes jerk off and bust in the room. and fellow professional football players were too shook from this crazy motherfucker to say anything about it.

he is on some coo coo for co co puffs shit.

there's a poast about it in oks archives, i think.

you can just search charles haley there.


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14. "this:"
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http://www.barstoolsports.com/philadelphia/not-enough-people-seem-to-remember-hof-de-charles-haley-was-a-madman-and-used-to-jerk-off-in-team-meetings/

fuck you.

  

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11. "i was hoping he left that bullshit in San Fran but he did it in Dallas 2"
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who does shit like that?

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12. "thought it was just me lol dude was derranged"
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6. "Hilarisad "
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______________________________________

Everything looks like Oprah kissing Harvey Weinstein these days

  

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9. "He's right though (c) SAS"
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If you can't understand it without an explanation

you can't understand it with an explanation

  

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13. "didn't they say he took a shit in the middle of the locker room or somet..."
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legendary player

I prolly wouldn't take advice from him on anything tho

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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15. "Charles Haley: The Last Naked Warrior. A brief summary"
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Here's a Cliff Notes version of Haley's batshit insanity:

http://www.complex.com/sports/2013/11/insane-locker-room-stories/hr-nightmare

According to author Jeff Pearlman the "Last Naked Warrior," was a nickname that Charles Haley gave himself. If ever there was a story that truly exemplified locker room insanity, this is it. Haley repeatedly whipped out his erection and jerked off inches from the faces of unsuspecting teammates who initially laughed off the trauma. Because, that has to be a joke, right? If you don't get it, it's because you don't get high art.

Eventually it got to a point where he'd pull it out in front of Golden Great Joe Montana and say "You know you want to suck this." He would even bash his candle to ejaculation in team meetings while talking about his teammates wives.

His penis wasn't the only thing he strangled during film sessions as he choked coach George Siefert in a 1991 transgression that finally seemed to alert the brass. In that same year he pissed on the floor of team president Carmen Policy. Add that to the fact that he got into a physical confrontation with Steve Young, finally, causing him to be traded to an unsuspecting locker room of Dallas Cowboys.

While in Texas, Haley questioned a new teammate in the crudest terms possible by saying "You’re from California? You must be a fucking faggot.” At that point Haley whacked off in front of the man to reaffirm his own heterosexuality.

That being said, all of this must not have been that big a deal because San Francisco reclaimed him after five, much needed, seasons away in 'Big D.' If you're a five-time Pro Bowler then people will find a way to make it work. Even if "making it work," means avoiding eye contact for two straight seasons.

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16. "YO"
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>His penis wasn't the only thing he strangled during film
>sessions as he choked coach George Siefert in a 1991
>transgression that finally seemed to alert the brass. In that
>same year he pissed on the floor of team president Carmen
>Policy. Add that to the fact that he got into a physical
>confrontation with Steve Young, finally, causing him to be
>traded to an unsuspecting locker room of Dallas Cowboys.
>

No one caught the fade with him? He pulled out on Joe Montana AND Steve Young. 9ers ain't shit and this confirms it. Y'all let this dude do all this without repercussions.

but, but, but, act like the white guys (c)

  

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17. "he was a monster of a DE tho"
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www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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22. "You are a monster of a weirdo"
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>www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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24. "this seems like a weird place to come in w/ that"
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sorry if I don't really know who you are at all

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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30. "I give two shits if you know who I am or not"
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>sorry if I don't really know who you are at all
>
>www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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18. "I believe in the book Pearlman writes that one dude socked him."
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He also explained that Ronnie Lott was the only person who could get him under control. Soon after Lott was traded to the Raiders, the Niners played them. The Niners lost and Haley went absolutely ballistic. They had to go the Raiders locker room and pull Lott out of the shower to come in and calm him down.

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20. "Image from http://i01.i.aliimg.com/img/pb/821/538/597/597538821_214.jpg."
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Image from http://i01.i.aliimg.com/img/pb/821/538/597/597538821_214.jpg.


Yup niners ain't shit. Lmao

Number of rings your team had again?

  

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21. "4... 5 if you count the Cleveland Rams"
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>Number of rings your team had again?

Sorry, what was your point again? It can't be that the Browns don't have a seat at the championship table.... RIGHT?

  

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25. "doesnt have video evidence^^^^"
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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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26. "You said the Niners ain't shit"
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Yet we ran out of rings to fit on one hand

That's my point. Lmao

  

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27. ".... WE GOT THE SAME AMOUNT OF CHIPS according to that picture."
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You need to find an Eagles fan to talk shit to or someone that's not me.

*points you in the direction of the trophy case*

*EDIT*

The 9ers ain't shit.

  

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32. "Uh, the Eagles have three championships, fucktard."
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One short of the Browns and they haven't been a train wreck or defunct in our lifetime so ...

And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

  

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33. "FUCK OFF you STALKING ASS BITCH.."
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>One short of the Browns and they haven't been a train wreck
>or defunct in our lifetime so ...


Yes, the Eagles have been a trainwreck so stop bullshitting. The Browns play in a considerably tougher division so kill that noise. Oh shit you brought up the point that the Browns were moved!

Once again, 4 AND 5>>>>3

GO SIT IN THE KIDS SECTION BECAUSE GROWNUPS ARE TALKING.

  

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19. "Toward Me He Charged: A reporter tells of his Charles Haley experiences"
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http://deadspin.com/389840/and-toward-me-he-charged-charles-haleys-bananas

And Toward Me He Charged: Charles Haley's Bananas

Charles Haley spent a decade trying to kill me, in spirit and ultimately in body, which is more than I can say for all these other "Dark Side'' sportswriting pussies' encounters. I first encountered Haley in 1988, when I was new on the San Francisco 49ers beat. First day: I saw him grab his manhood with his fist, shake his Dark Sith in the direction of a hapless young female reporter (her crime? Femaleness, and maybe haplessness) and scream/bellow, like Brando up the stairs, that the "fuckin' bitch was staring at my cock! Get that bitch outta here! She's a fuckin' perv! She wants my fuckin' cock!''

Ensuing Chapters of Charles: I saw the first-hand evidence of the All-Pro pass-rusher using his Lil' Haley to water the hand-crafted wood floors in the office belonging to team president Carmen Policy. (A versatile body part, that thingee.) I learned that Charles attempted to strangle coach George Seifert during a film session. I learned that one of the great Ronnie Lott's official jobs was to keep Charles tamed. And I learned something that still disturbs me: On my final 49ers experience with Haley at the Pro Bowl in Honolulu, when I was on a team bus one seat ahead of his, eavesdropping as he plotted to arrange from the 49ers' front seven to be a "Soul Patrol.'' Meaning, he wanted to orchestrate the departure of his white teammates. (Joking, you say? OK. But will you at least trade me bus seats next time?)

In 1990, I moved to Dallas to cover the Cowboys. Haley would be nothing but a nightmarish memory, somebody else's problem, a guy I was pretty sure skipped taking his medicine. (For two full years!) I would be free to empathize ... from a distance.

And then, in '92, Charles Haley came to Dallas.I was the first and only reporter to greet him at his locker.

We were one-on-one. The tension built. No media members wanted any part of it. Charles got revved up, opening by braying something about what an asshole I was in San Francisco (he was/is right. ... but how'd he know?), and he was hooting something about how Aikman couldn't carry Montana's jockstrap and I was writing it all down.

And Haley barks, "Hey, motherfucker, I didn't say you could write this down, motherfucker! DO YOU HEAR ME, MOTHERFUCKER?''

The verbal barrage continued. I kept writing. A notepad full of "motherfuckers.''

I did not opt to reason with a man who would, a few weeks later, find a huge bushel of bananas in his locker, a jokey gift from defensive-line mates who admired his ... um ... Neanderthalic approach to life. I absorbed the MFs, and somehow located, deep in my fashionable cargo pants, the resolve to say:

"Charles, you keep talking. Please. Say anything you want to me. Call me anything you want. And you know what? I'm going to write down every word. And if my editors allow it, this interview, word-for-word, is going to be in the gah-damn newspaper tomorrow morning. Go.''

He kept motherfuckering me. I kept writing. Now, I was nervous ... but it wasn't that hard to take notes: How hard is it to simply scribble "MF'' over and over?

It is a credit to my employer at the time, the Fort Worth Star-Telegram, that the piece really did run. As a straight news story, with no embellishment and no judgment. Just my questions and his answers, jagged but pure, all serving as Charles Haley's introduction to his new community. Welcome to Dallas, motherfucker.

Why did I go through with it? Three reasons:

1) The result was a revealing story that offered great insight into the star the Cowboys had just acquired.

2) Hey, I promised him!

3) Critics of the media often come at us because we "buy ink by the barrel,'' and all that shit. But actually, in any battle between "the jocks vs. the media,'' the geeks with pencils don't usually win. So when truth is on our side — plus, you mentioned my mom, you prick! — we can't be blamed for swinging that truth like it's a medieval flail.

Chucky & Me spent the rest of his playing career in an unholy truce. Meaning, I think I went seven years without every even venturing near another Cowboy D-linemen. But then, around 2000 or so, I inadvertently encountered Charles Haley ... and it was a near-death experience.

I was at a local saloon called Humperdink's on a "date'' (probable sportswriter translation: She Was A Prostitute) when Charles and I exchanged icy glances from across the room.

And toward me he charged.

What was in my mind? "Soul Patrol'' ... "bananas.'' ... "no meds.'' ... "bananas.'' ... "motherfucker.'' ... "bananas.'' ... I knew that people had died in a puddle of their own urine, but reflecting on Carmen Policy's floor, I pondered whether I would be a victim of a first: "Death-by-drowning-in-somebody-else's urine.'' ...

And toward me he charged. ...

What was in his mind (besides dementia)? In a literal flash — bright lights and beer pitchers and prostitute screams and a mushroom cloud of four huge bodies swooping over my booth — I and the entire saloon found out what a Grinch is capable of when he has a heart two sizes too small and the benefit of NFL weight-training.

The menacing Haley, fueled by liquor and anger at being pestered for 10 years by some pencil-wielding motherfucker, had lunged toward me, up and into my booth, only to be intercepted by his evening escorts, Leon Lett, Erik Williams and Michael Irvin.

Lett (6-7, 280) and Williams (6-5, 330) are two of the largest athletes in Dallas Cowboys history. Irvin is the franchise's all-time sweetest talker. Good for me. Leon and Erik wrestled Charles away, while Michael, I assume, sang him a lullaby while plucking a thorn from his paw.

I lived.

This is the art form at which I've bumbled around for 28 years and which has afforded me the ability to put no children through college. Newspapers, books, radio, TV and now the internet. I'm a hack-of-all-trades. Writing can be blogging and blogging can be writing and the only big difference is locker-room access. Which has its less-than-omnipotent value.

Is it an "absolutely horrible job''? Nah. Is it one big Axe commercial that makes horned-up vixens take off their wet blouses when in the alluring midst of me 'cause they mistake me for a drunken NFL quarterback? Nah.

But when I'm old(er) and gray(er), one of the skillion tales I'll be able to tell the kids that I'm "The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance.'' Or at least I'll inform them that I persuaded the apologetic saloon manager to put my charges on Haley's tab.

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28. "damn, you beat me to posting this. fucking classic"
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23. "lol smh"
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the brown figures on the walls of my apart-a-ment...

  

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29. "The only thing sincere is his bigotry lol, what a crock of shit"
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34. "Man I feel for real sorry for any women he encountered."
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Dude's gotta have an assault or two on him.

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