specifically, at the time of negotiations.

im trying to remain optimistic about being able to get these clowns for the most amount of money possible.

in my experience it goes like this:

job offer/evaluation/contract refresh something:
you say, 'guys, i want this many dollars'
they say, 'nah, we'll give you this many dollars'
you say, 'okay, how about somewhere in the middle?'
they say, 'nah, all we got is this many dollars. take it or leave it'
you say, 'fine. grumble grumble, moan moan'

then a year or two goes by, and then they come back.

they say, 'hey, we really like what you've been doing - here's what you asked for TWO YEARS AGO'
you say, 'thanks?'

...

so im in the beginning of another one of these, at another place.

but now, they're offering what i asked for from them a year ago, but i don't think that's enough, purely because of principle. i want to get exactly what i request (at the time of request!) at least once in my life.

is that an unrealistic expectation?

then they say, 'we think this is fair/competitive. you making more than other folks in your field bla bla bla ...

... and i just want to hit them with SO WHAT.'

have you ever drawn a line in the sand?

walked away from some shit like 'nope, i want more. bye!'

did you regret walking?

did they come back to you?

are all these blog articles about salary negotiations just fluff?

another company as backup.

The bullet points highlighted the qualities i'd brought to the table and the value i'd added to the company. As well as achievements that needed to be recognized beyond a yearly employee evaluation.

The letter worked and I didn't flex the standing offer until a year later....

If you are very specialized or in the middle of a project that someone else can't step in to, you have the leverage.

Unfortunately, the only time the leverage is really all on your side is when the above is true, and you have the ability to leave.

If you don't have the leverage, then just explain and be able to show why you are deserving of a raise. Don't make it seem like they are doing you a favor, but this is what you are worth, and what you have accomplished etc. If the answer is no, see how/when the topic can be revisited in the future. Set a date to re-discuss (6 months) along with specific goals that they would like to see met. That way in 6 months, you can say i've met xyz as was discussed at the last meeting...

Obviously, how to approach also has alot to do with what is going on with your company, so their are really no hard and fast rules.

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

I was assisting someone who abruptly quit. They needed someone to fill in and I was the only person fully trained. I said the only way i'd accept the added responsibility is if i was compensated for it, knowing that the person above me made close to 20k more than I did.

They bumped me about 10k

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

and making sure they are true

For example

I implemented changes to the procurement process that resulted in a 12 percent increase in output with no noticeable impact on quality.

Employers are looking to gauge your value to the organization.

I have walked away because they were not able to negotiate period (not even flex or vacation time) I didnt need that rigidness in my life.

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. . . If I have something to say when there is a reason involved, I am perfectly willing to talk. Katherine Hepburn

When it gets to be this time, start looking hard. When you're looking hard hit them with the REAL number you want even if it's a bit higher then expectations because well, fuck it.

Take that offer in with you when its time to negotiate at the current gig

>specifically, at the time of negotiations.
>
>im trying to remain optimistic about being able to get these
>clowns for the most amount of money possible.
>
>in my experience it goes like this:
>
>job offer/evaluation/contract refresh something:
>you say, 'guys, i want this many dollars'
>they say, 'nah, we'll give you this many dollars'
>you say, 'okay, how about somewhere in the middle?'
>they say, 'nah, all we got is this many dollars. take it or
>leave it'
>you say, 'fine. grumble grumble, moan moan'
>
>then a year or two goes by, and then they come back.
>
>they say, 'hey, we really like what you've been doing - here's
>what you asked for TWO YEARS AGO'
>you say, 'thanks?'
>
>...
>
>so im in the beginning of another one of these, at another
>place.
>
>but now, they're offering what i asked for from them a year
>ago, but i don't think that's enough, purely because of
>principle. i want to get exactly what i request (at the time
>of request!) at least once in my life.
>
>is that an unrealistic expectation?
>
>then they say, 'we think this is fair/competitive. you making
>more than other folks in your field bla bla bla ...
>
>... and i just want to hit them with SO WHAT.'
>
>have you ever drawn a line in the sand?
>
>walked away from some shit like 'nope, i want more. bye!'
>
>did you regret walking?
>
>did they come back to you?
>
>are all these blog articles about salary negotiations just
>fluff?

A co-worker who started about the same time as me got one but I didn't (this was about a year after getting hired).

I set up a meeting and said to our mutual manager "Can I get promoted?" And he did. It kind of blew my mind. I decided to go for broke like that because I didn't really like the job and we were all getting low-balled to begin with, so I figured I didn't have a ton to lose.

i've put it on my manager to point out things i need to be doing and do them plus some. then when you get to negotiating time, you can call back to all those conversations and add on everything else you've been doing.

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twitter: @BrosefMalone

I'm shit at these conversations; I'd rather interview for a new position than tell my boss I deserve more money.

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forever.

but i still got them mondays!

"Get ready..for your blessing..."

lol, j/k

what that practically means is that im a designer across several mediums. i deal in a lot of programs/applications, but the product is always some sort informative/training material for some business or educational entity.

specifics:

video (learning packages, packaged presentations, lot of editing and shooting and producing, script writing)
web (developing websites and designing apps)
audio (producing learning podcasts, in-field/studio audio capturing)
photos (taking cool pictures)
print (traditional collateral design - books and pamphlets and shit like that)
blimps (one day!)

i develop it all, then make them look and sound pretty.

i think my real value to teams is that im well versed in mostly all of this shit. im learning that a lot of times people can do one (or two) really well, and have no clue about everything else.


it don't hurt that im a nice guy and smile a lot (new secret - white people eat me up). i'm constantly surprised at how many opportunities open up based not on hard skills, but soft skills, too.


...

what do YOU do?