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at "topish" of the rap / pop music food chain

i mean hasn't If Your Reading This... outsold TPAB in relative time frames?

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he could have less fans if he talked about things that matter?

that's a shallow way to evaluate "winning", but hey

>he could have less fans if he talked about things that
>matter?
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>that's a shallow way to evaluate "winning", but hey

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the last time he showed hints of that was 2009, let's move on

so when someone says they will have more fans than the rapper you are siding with its lame but when the same rapper you are siding with first says the same shit its not lame? lol cool story bro. No agenda right? 35 and married and has a weird anti-Drake/i co founded Kendrick on this site first agenda is grown up? Another cool story bro.

Your agenda so loud its drowning out your lisp.
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"I could have less fans like you if I rapped about the black plight"

I dont expect you to understand why I respect one over the other, you aren't African American. the personal shots mean nothing btw

U trolling, dog?

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Before So Far Gone? I never heard the prior releases, but starting with SFG... he's never been on "conscious shit."

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IF so someone link me. And does this count as sneak dissin if he makes it obvious who he's talking about? This is kind of the remix of Jays 'I would like to rhyme like common sense but I sold 5 milly I ain't been common since'

But mainly he's treating "conscious" like it's a gimmick rather than an actual concern
for his projected image as a Black man and how his actions influence other folks with
dark brown skin.
(But he IS only half Black, so maybe that's to be expected? ionno)
On top of having that mindset, he's bragging about it. lol.
His level of not "getting it" is astronomical. So oblivious.
This is the biggest problem with dude for me.
It's all about playing roles to him. As in "I could play the conscious role, but I
played the pop role". But most people are just being who they are, and that's
something that dude can't fathom. And candidly speaking, the repulsion from
that oozing of insincerity is the very thing that separates his fans from his non-fans.
He can write good songs, but he can't be genuine, and some people can see through
him no matter how much he tries to show how vulnerable and open he can be by
mentioning family issues or crushes on Nicki.

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Are fake deep imo. At least the ones that are mainstream. That was one of the criticisms I kept hearing about the Kendrick album. Sure didn't help when he hopped on that Taylor Swift song afterwards. And as corny as Drake is one thing I can't say about him is that he hasn't been genuine. Dude has no qualms about being a cornball. Might in some weird way be the realest in the game actually. Real doesn't necessarily have to mean gangster/street shit.

>Real doesn't necessarily have to mean gangster/street shit.



I purposely said absolutely nothing about gangster or street shit, but I wholeheartedly
agree with that above statement. Kendrick ain't gangster. Hell De La Soul wasn't
gangster. Kwame wasn't gangster... but they just came across as genuine people.
I don't know how much clearer I can be about genuineness not being a role you play.
Like I said, he spelled out, right there in the clip, why he isn't a genuine guy. It's all
about playing a role... being fake-nice to build a network (that's behind his beef with
Kendrick, actually), the silly letter to Aaliyah. I care not that the dude is soft. Alotta
my favorite rappers throughout the history of rap have been soft.

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I still don't see that as being fake. I mean hes spoken/rapped about it pretty honestly. Having to pretend to be cool with other rappers he don't fuck with. That's basically industry politics and business politics in general. That's why Tyga called him fake and not genuine too because Drake did him like that. But they was never fam and just got thrown together in that young money clique so Drake had to fake like he was cool with him for the sake of the image and brand. As far as music Drake has never had me believe he wasn't being nothing but his genuine corny self. Can't believe I'm in here defending this dude

Can't believe
>I'm in here defending this dude

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My favorite rapper is Wise Intelligent, so I can't relate.

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he said in interviews he watched people & crafted stories around what he perceived about what he saw

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Bob Dylan has done the same.
As have many other songwriters.
This isn't disproving my point here.

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>But most people are just being who they
>are, and that's
>something that dude can't fathom.

I don't particularly like Drake either but you don't have to blatantly lie to criticize the dude. He's an easy target. As someone else already said, all rappers are actors...or at the very least are playing bit parts in one way or another.

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And you don't have to accuse me of "blatantly lying" to disagree.
"All rappers are actors" is the blatant generalization (and lie) here.
Y'all are thinking in terms of every word they say being true.
We knew special Ed was making up shit in "I Got It Made"
just like we knew The Time was in "Cool".
That ain't what this is.
I done explained it enough by now tho.
All I can say is "real recognize real" (and see through fake) at this point.
His defenders are gonna believe what they want to.
That "shit" is well documented lol.





>>But most people are just being who they
>>are, and that's
>>something that dude can't fathom.
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>I don't particularly like Drake either but you don't have to
>blatantly lie to criticize the dude. He's an easy target. As
>someone else already said, all rappers are actors...or at the
>very least are playing bit parts in one way or another.

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about 'conscious shit.'

http://youtu.be/5o37GORoKUQ

#htpw

Especially the brand of "conscious shit" he's denouncing

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i've literally never heard him rap about anything but himself.
and all he seems to do is whine and be upset about the lavish bed he has made for himself to sleep in.

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for singing about himself.

Imagine "Just hold on WE'RE going home" as Drake singing about himself.


like most singers, Drake sings about love/relationships/relationship dynamics - the stuff lot's of singers are known for.


edit: yes some of his RAPS are about women and relationships too ("take care" with Rihanna)

lol @ the idea that singers are bound to only addressing themselves and the relationships they're in.

every artist is entitled to speak their own truth and he seems generally honest in that regard. but i find him very self-absorbed. his work doesn't resonate with me personally (discounting a few joints where he is legitimately rappity-rap-rapping well).

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>lol @ the idea that singers are bound to only addressing
>themselves and the relationships they're in.


It's nice to make up your own claim to LOL at.

I never said singers are BOUND to do anything.

but...


they usually CHOOSE to sing about love and relationships in most of the POPULAR MUSIC since probably all time.

me: drake for the most part only raps about himself
you: most pop singers sing mostly about relationships

yes, that tangential point may have relevance if
a) this wasn't a discussion about him as a rapper
b) in the context of a post where he is whining about the perceived lack of respect he gets because of his rap style

if your point is that he should be regarded solely as a pop artist, and only judged as such, then sure.

bottom line, in my opinion, he can rap but he is vapid and probably insecure about that (this is made increasingly apparent when he juxtaposes himself with kendrick for putting out "conscious shit")

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and socially aware than anything drake has ever made

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or has not actually heard kanye west's catalog.

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>and socially aware than anything drake has ever made



Let my love slide in and never slip out

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Nas gets the crictical props. Jay gets the sales but is still envious because he's not getting that critical love. Drake will always sell more than Kendrick but that's just not enough for him. He still gotta be a little jealous of the critical praise K Dot gets while still going gold/platinum.

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the part about Jay Z being jealous of Nas

checks your avi pic, peace out

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>the part about Jay Z being jealous of Nas


Come on now...Dude didn't pull that statement out of his ass....lol....It's been said many times....Beyond this site...

When an artist worth over $500 million feels like he has to rap about fucking a lesser means rival's baby mama next to said rival's baby's car seat AFTER getting ridiculed for being ETHERED, then how else r people going to look at it...?

The comparisons can easily be made...Jay (at the time) was the most successful, trend setting MC on the planet...And yet he still felt the need to go at Nas for whatever reason (well, we know the reason, don't we?)....Now Drake is seemingly doing the same thing on a much more sneakier manner....

Jay (during his beef with Nas) and Drake remind me of the kid who seems to have it ALL, but wonders why he continues to be disrespected as he (or she) stews over the fact that the other guy (Nas, Lamar), who has taken a more blue collar, man-of-the-people path, gets all "love"....

It's very obvious, no?....

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Nas had been firing shots since 1998 ("they claim to be New York's king, it aint about that" on We Will Survive)

Jay was very comfortable winning, Prodigy responded to "New York's been soft ever since Snoop came through..." and he responded on The Takeover. The Nas verse was added after Nas responded to Bleek's "What You Think Of That" dissing Jay

if anything, Nas was jealous of Jay-Z at that point. Bringing up Super Ugly as a response to Ether is moot

>Nas had been firing shots since 1998 ("they claim to be New
>York's king, it aint about that" on We Will Survive)
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where are these shots? don't say shots and list one random line where he's speaking on cats trying to take the imaginary throne after Big's death.

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only one person was claiming king of new york in 1997. have a good day

>Nas had been firing shots since 1998 ("they claim to be New
>York's king, it aint about that" on We Will Survive)


How is THAT a shot?


>Jay was very comfortable winning, Prodigy responded to "New
>York's been soft ever since Snoop came through..." and he
>responded on The Takeover. The Nas verse was added after Nas
>responded to Bleek's "What You Think Of That" dissing Jay

Jay indeed was very comfortable....But Jay also got VERY emotional after he got smashed by "Ether"....To the point where even his mama called him out on it....That was hilarious, by the way...


>if anything, Nas was jealous of Jay-Z at that point. Bringing
>up Super Ugly as a response to Ether is moot


lol....anything to help u sleep at night....

GOAT of his era......long live Prince.....God is alive....

>Jay indeed was very comfortable....But Jay also got VERY
>emotional after he got smashed by "Ether"....To the point
>where even his mama called him out on it....That was
>hilarious, by the way...

I cant take anyone serious who thinks Ether was good in any regard, from the beat to the lyrics. people just wanted a response from the underdog and they got one.


>>if anything, Nas was jealous of Jay-Z at that point.
>Bringing
>>up Super Ugly as a response to Ether is moot

>lol....anything to help u sleep at night....

cause and effect. takeover ----> ether -----> super ugly (which wasn't even a song, just raps over "Bad Intentions") but none of that had anything to do with Jay Z being jealous. He'll say to this day that Ether was trash and his pride was hurt by the city standing behind it

It's happening because people see the parallels between Jay/Drake vs. Nas/K. Lamar....It's a very natural jumping off point...

The irony is Jay was a VERY worthy adversary when it came to his battle with Nas....

With Drake and Lamar, the more this shit gets extended (Drizzy seems to be the only one still salty about the whole thing) the more petty and small Drake looks...

At least Jay didn't stay sneak dissing....He said what he had to say and let the chips fall like a man....Unfortunately, Jay got a little bitchy at the end....

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I admit that Ether wasn't that great but it served it's purpose and it's purpose was this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ffDDbEJAEIg <- in the end, that's the only thing that matters.

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You came in caping for Jay and threw out some half ass so called shot by Nas and got called out for it. You had nothing else to back up your initial comments so KIM

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I lived in New York in 1996, Reasonable Doubt was discussed more than It Was Written
Vol. 1 really had the city riding with Jay-Z
Vol. 2 he had the whole world on his side
I Am, Nastradamus and Vol. 3 came out the same year
Then came Dynasty
Then came Blueprint and Stillmatic which dropped the same year

see where Im going here? Jay-Z sprinted ahead of the race

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You are building a case for why Jay had no reason to really even think about Nas during that time. He was on top of the world (which is what everyone else is saying here). However, he was thinking about Nas. He was thinking about why Nas didn't want to be on Reasonable Doubt. He was thinking about why Nas baby moms liked Jay enough to sleep with him (which is kinda weird but whatever). We all know Nas was in the gutter with his position in the game. He was selling records but his respect was declining fast. Even with all of that happening Jay thought it was a good idea to send a clear shot at the boy. Something that he would regret.

So sure the difference between K Lamar and Nas is Jay came at Nas directly and during a time when his career was on the decline. Kendrick is still good. Otherwise, Murph already made it plain.

You may not like Ether. That's your right to do so. However, there is one line that is truth. Jay was a fan of Nas. Nas never asked Jay to get on a record with him before the Def Jam deal. Jay can't say the same.

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>I lived in New York in 1996, Reasonable Doubt was discussed
>more than It Was Written

IWW = 2xplat sept 1996
RD = gold sept 1996

I find it hard to believe that was the case.

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Nas had a huge record
1996 in New York Jay-Z was a contender after 1 album, the same way Nas and Biggie were after their first albums

2 million people didn't buy IWW for one song. You could easily buy singles back then and RD didn't get anywhere near the praise from critics that illmatic or RtD received. It was a dope album but he wasn't considered the next coming like Nas and Biggie off his debut release.

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>2 million people didn't buy IWW for one song.

If you think "I Gave You Power" or "Live Nigga Rap" had that album moving units as opposed to the woman from "Killing Me Softly" (The Score went 7x platinum in 18 months), there's nothing left to say here

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I guess "Hate Me Now" propelled I Am... to double plat status due to Puff's involvement too then. It's cool if you don't want to give Nasir his props. "If I Ruled the World" def helped IWW but you're not going to convince me that many people bought it to get that one song. Nas was a top tier rapper and second most popular next to BIG in the city.

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