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SoWhat
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""I was in a car w/ppl who smoked""


  

          

^ are you aware of any science that backs up a claim that a person tested positive for THC not b/c they smoked but b/c they were in a car w/ppl who smoked?

i've heard this excuse offered and it seems like bullshit. but if there's support for it i'd love to see it b/c it'd be pretty useful.

fuck you.

  

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i've always heard that it's just a bs excuse.
Jun 02nd 2015
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maybe if they hot boxed...no actual factuals on it though
Jun 02nd 2015
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it happens tho.
Jun 02nd 2015
7
      i have not seen anyone sit in a hotboxed car w/o smoking
Jun 02nd 2015
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           oh no i was just saying someone being in the hotbox w/o participating
Jun 02nd 2015
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When I was in the Army, our Drug and Alcohol NCO said
Jun 02nd 2015
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that sounds right.
Jun 02nd 2015
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from what I understand
Jun 02nd 2015
4
'inconclusive' but not positive?
Jun 02nd 2015
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      correct
Jun 02nd 2015
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           this is the key part:
Jun 02nd 2015
24
                stupid is as stupid does *shrug*
Jun 02nd 2015
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                     another reason the excuse doesn't work.
Jun 02nd 2015
34
sounds like a horrible lie
Jun 02nd 2015
6
link
Jun 02nd 2015
9
an hour inside an acrylic enclosure with 6 smokers smoking 10 joints
Jun 02nd 2015
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10 joints = 2 blunts or so = completely normal in a hotbox session
Jun 02nd 2015
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      naw.
Jun 02nd 2015
25
           you can get 4-5 joints out of an eighth and the avg blunt uses an eighth
Jun 02nd 2015
28
                if you're puttin' 3.5 grams in each blunt you're smoking garbage
Jun 02nd 2015
29
                yeah that's reserved for oowops, godfathers, whatever you call them
Jun 02nd 2015
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                I'd like to see someone try to smoke a 3.5 gram blunt, LOL
Jun 02nd 2015
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                I'm thinking of 90's Hydro
Jun 02nd 2015
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                     still don't buy it
Jun 02nd 2015
44
                     some of us in here were smoking in the 90s too
Jun 02nd 2015
45
                what kind of blunts you using an eighth on???
Jun 02nd 2015
31
                he's clearly smoking oregano
Jun 02nd 2015
33
                brown frown
Jun 02nd 2015
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                right? i mean you COULD use a damn half zone, but why?
Jun 02nd 2015
40
                LOL
Jun 02nd 2015
35
                philly blunts? this aint the 90s...
Jun 02nd 2015
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                     this is why the internet is a wonderful thing
Jun 02nd 2015
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                          edit because i missed the point
Jun 02nd 2015
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thanks.
Jun 02nd 2015
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      yep, bullshit excuse just as suspected haha
Jun 02nd 2015
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      yup. in part b/c a car is not an unventilated enclosure.
Jun 02nd 2015
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           haha, and not six people smoking 10 joints.
Jun 02nd 2015
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                that too.
Jun 02nd 2015
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      your welcome
Jun 02nd 2015
18
they've seen too many eps of COPS
Jun 02nd 2015
13
the tests test for concentration no?
Jun 02nd 2015
19
#4
Jun 02nd 2015
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      ah ok
Jun 02nd 2015
47
drug testing is unethical, immoral, and stupid
Jun 02nd 2015
27
...none of which matters when i'm before a judge
Jun 02nd 2015
36
      wouldn't it be a violation to simply be in the presence of illegal shit?
Jun 02nd 2015
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           yes.
Jun 02nd 2015
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                so hot boxing or not your client would still have violated probation
Jun 02nd 2015
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it's some bullshit ass bullshit, but more power to ya if it works
Jun 02nd 2015
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I'm selling my pure drug free urine for $20 per 20 oz coke bottle. I
Jun 02nd 2015
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I've been in the studio producing cats that smoked so much
Jun 02nd 2015
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That was me backstage with PFunk.
Jun 02nd 2015
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KiloMcG
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1. "i've always heard that it's just a bs excuse."
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apparently the thc levels obtained through a contact high aren't high enough to break the threshold of a failed screening. at least from what i've been told/heard.

  

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2. "maybe if they hot boxed...no actual factuals on it though"
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and wouldn't make sense for someone to sit in the car while it's being smoked out to that degree if they're not partaking.

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7. "it happens tho."
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<--- Big Baller World Order

  

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8. "i have not seen anyone sit in a hotboxed car w/o smoking"
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for long enough to trigger a poz test result.

i've seen a person sit in a hotbox w/o smoking for about 15 or 20 minutes at most.

apparently a person would have to stay in a hotbox for several hours before they'd test poz for THC.

fuck you.

  

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20. "oh no i was just saying someone being in the hotbox w/o participating"
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my roommate used to roll w/ us all the time but would never smoke.

<--- Big Baller World Order

  

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3. "When I was in the Army, our Drug and Alcohol NCO said"
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in order to test positive based on contact you'd practically have to be locked in a phone-booth with a smoker for 3 hours.

  

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17. "that sounds right."
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fuck you.

  

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4. "from what I understand "
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it depends on the standards of the lab
like some labs only test for a certain level of THC but many employers are asking for more stringent testing so the permissible amount of THC allowed can be lower than the lab's normal standard.
I remember this from when I was screened almost 2 years ago.

Granted you would have to be stuck in a hotbox to inhale that much THC but depending on who's doing the testing, it might just be enough to come back with an "inconclusive" result which opens you up to further testing.

here for dis.

  

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5. "'inconclusive' but not positive?"
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fuck you.

  

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21. "correct"
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The real danger lies in the levels of THC your potential employer finds permissible. My employer's levels were even lower than the lab they contracted to do the testing.

here for dis.

  

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24. "this is the key part:"
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"Granted you would have to be stuck in a hotbox to inhale that much THC"

and the operative word there is 'stuck'.

b/c if a person is in a hotbox (w/o smoking) long enough to test poz or inconclusive why not just get out of the hotbox?

fuck you.

  

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26. "stupid is as stupid does *shrug*"
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here for dis.

  

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34. "another reason the excuse doesn't work."
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fuck you.

  

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6. "sounds like a horrible lie"
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****************
TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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9. "link"
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http://www.theverge.com/2015/5/13/8598839/marijuana-seconhand-smoke-nonsmokers-johns-hopkins-study


"Seasons may come and your luck just may run out, and all that you'll have is some memories..."

  

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10. "an hour inside an acrylic enclosure with 6 smokers smoking 10 joints"
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that's rather extreme

  

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23. "10 joints = 2 blunts or so = completely normal in a hotbox session"
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"Where was the peace when we were getting shot? Where's the peace when we were getting laid out?
Where is the peace when we are in the back of ambulances? Where is the peace then?
They don't want to call for peace then.

  

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25. "naw."
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no one will believe 10 joints is 2 blunts.

but the main problem is the ventilation. even w/the windows up a car is ventilated. the study had the folks in an unventilated enclosed space.

so far there's not been anything tendered which supports the bullshit excuse. at least nothing i'd show to any actual authority figure to prove up the 'i was in a car w/ppl who were smoking' story to explain a poz THC test result.

fuck you.

  

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28. "you can get 4-5 joints out of an eighth and the avg blunt uses an eighth"
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I'm talking old school Zig Zag joints like my pops used to smoke. It takes about an eighth or a bit more to fill a proper phillie blunt.

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"Where was the peace when we were getting shot? Where's the peace when we were getting laid out?
Where is the peace when we are in the back of ambulances? Where is the peace then?
They don't want to call for peace then.

  

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29. "if you're puttin' 3.5 grams in each blunt you're smoking garbage"
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or just doing it completely wrong.

in theory, i know what you're saying and sure for a party there may be some shit rolled that big (i'm talking high school here, btw). but nah, that's unnecessary.

but shit, in HS i used to be the joint/blunt rolling king. you probably wouldn't believe how much weed i was able to get rolled up in a JOB .5 paper haha.

  

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30. "yeah that's reserved for oowops, godfathers, whatever you call them"
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a regular blunt is NOT going to take 3.5 grams
a full gram but not much more than that

here for dis.

  

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32. "I'd like to see someone try to smoke a 3.5 gram blunt, LOL"
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especially with today's potency, dude won't get past a gram on that thing.

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41. "I'm thinking of 90's Hydro"
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and everyone I knew that smoked rolled up blunts with an eighth and no less than that unless you wanted to get clowned for being stingy with the trees.

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"Where was the peace when we were getting shot? Where's the peace when we were getting laid out?
Where is the peace when we are in the back of ambulances? Where is the peace then?
They don't want to call for peace then.

  

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44. "still don't buy it"
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if you would have said cess i would have bought it, but 90s hydro is not exactly shit weed, it was the potent weed of its day.

~Experience is the currency of the soul.

  

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45. "some of us in here were smoking in the 90s too"
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NOAP
You had some fantastic regs at best
wasting weed at worst

here for dis.

  

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31. "what kind of blunts you using an eighth on???"
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<--- Big Baller World Order

  

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33. "he's clearly smoking oregano "
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~Experience is the currency of the soul.

  

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39. "brown frown"
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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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40. "right? i mean you COULD use a damn half zone, but why?"
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even my barbadian fam that was smokin that reggie was using like 1-2 grams in a blunt.

there was a time in college where we'd try and roll the biggest ones we could, using a bunch of wraps together. we did some 10 geezers and half zone ones, but that was just because we had a ton of herb and wanted to show off. most of the time we'd have like 8-10 heads on it and still struggle to finish those.

And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

  

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35. "LOL"
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wtf? a whole 8th in a blunt, huh?

anyway, no.

none of this helps make the 'i was in a hotbox' excuse any more believable.

fuck you.

  

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38. "philly blunts? this aint the 90s..."
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I believe not one word of which you speak.

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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43. "this is why the internet is a wonderful thing"
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http://forum.grasscity.com/recreational-marijuana-use/70299-35-gram-blunt-pics.html


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"Where was the peace when we were getting shot? Where's the peace when we were getting laid out?
Where is the peace when we are in the back of ambulances? Where is the peace then?
They don't want to call for peace then.

  

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46. "edit because i missed the point"
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I still use Phillies from time to time myself.
But NOAP to the rest

here for dis.

  

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11. "thanks."
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"Six from each group were placed side by side in a 10-by-13-foot acrylic enclosure for an hour, and the smokers were given 10 joints with high-potency weed to smoke."

"While none of the nonsmokers in the ventilated room tested positive for THC, all six of those exposed to the smoke in the unventilated room had detectable levels of THC in their blood and urine."

an hour in an unventilated enclosure w/exposure to 10 joints of that loud shit.

fuck you.

  

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12. "yep, bullshit excuse just as suspected haha"
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14. "yup. in part b/c a car is not an unventilated enclosure."
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they got ventilation - the windows, for starters, the doors and also actual air vents - usually in the dashboard.

fuck you.

  

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15. "haha, and not six people smoking 10 joints. "
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ok, not each, but still.

  

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16. "that too."
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fuck you.

  

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18. "your welcome"
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13. "they've seen too many eps of COPS"
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19. "the tests test for concentration no?"
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like a certain amount of micrograms?


if so i could see someone being around it and it registering SOME on the test


but afaik drug tests are not pass fail so it should be easier to distinguish

  

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22. "#4"
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here for dis.

  

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47. "ah ok"
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i know say for probationary reasons its by concentration

  

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27. "drug testing is unethical, immoral, and stupid"
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i'm amazed people put up with that bullshit

letting people inspect the contents of your blood stream, yeah, can anything be more dehumanizing?

the high irony is that most people drink themselves into early graves with the harshest drug of them all alcohol, and then get up in arms about weed.

stupid society is stupid.

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36. "...none of which matters when i'm before a judge"
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defending someone who plead guilty and accepted a probation sentence which they've now allegedly violated by testing poz for cannabis.

but i hear you.

fuck you.

  

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PoppaGeorge
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48. "wouldn't it be a violation to simply be in the presence of illegal shit?"
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meaning that when you're on papers you're not to associate with people that you know engage in illicit behavior.

I know different counties/states have different rules and all but I would think that this would be pretty standard.
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"Where was the peace when we were getting shot? Where's the peace when we were getting laid out?
Where is the peace when we are in the back of ambulances? Where is the peace then?
They don't want to call for peace then.

  

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49. "yes."
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fuck you.

  

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PoppaGeorge
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51. "so hot boxing or not your client would still have violated probation"
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Even if the dirty test can be explained away, his own admission of being around people that smoke could be used to violate him anyway.

this is a no-win case unless you have an extremely lenient judge.

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"Where was the peace when we were getting shot? Where's the peace when we were getting laid out?
Where is the peace when we are in the back of ambulances? Where is the peace then?
They don't want to call for peace then.

  

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ConcreteCharlie
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37. "it's some bullshit ass bullshit, but more power to ya if it works"
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anyway you can beat the system and stay high, i'm all for it, but seems unlikely to save you in the event of a failed drug test.

And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

  

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42. "I'm selling my pure drug free urine for $20 per 20 oz coke bottle. I "
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take paypal, google pay, apple pay, EBT, unused gift cards, lottery tickets.

shipping is extra.


I can also offer up for sale the urine of my 9 year old son but that level of purity costs more.

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50. "I've been in the studio producing cats that smoked so much "
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that I was pretty sure I would have failed a drug test. I went to the grocery store afterwards and the cashier looked at me so mean it was hilarious(old white lady). I was high as fuck too.

  

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52. "That was me backstage with PFunk."
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About 3 dozen ppl smoking joints constantly. The air was thick widdit. Lol

fuck you.

  

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