"Im gonna need people on Facebook to stop comparing Waco to Baltimore"
I get it the police look like they are casually just hanging around after people got arrested but the ONE big difference people aren't talking about who keep comparing these two things is that the protestors or people rioting were rioting against the police....the people who were on the opposite side of the protestors were the same people who had to defuse the situation. Thats a big thing. In Waco, the police were there just to defuse the situation, thats it. Nobody had any beef with the police in that situation. The biker gangs were fighting each other they had didn't give a fuck about the police in this situation. HUGE fucking difference. Which is why after people were arrested they could just chill because what else were they gonna do? The two situations have nothing to do with each other and have no place being brought into the same conversation.
Yes im still on the side that the police mentality overall is fucked up and needs huge changes systematically. But bringing up shit like this to make an argument is on some Tea Party, Fox News bullshit that does nothing for the conversation.
1. "Yup. And that shit wasn't a riot, either - it was a gang battle." In response to Reply # 0
I've been reluctant to make these points on FC because mofos' righteous indignation has been on 10 with this since it happened.
When the next white riot jumps off (there WILL be one in the next 2 or 3 years, after a collegiate sports championship somewhere), THEN the comparisons will make sense.
5. "Yeah I feel the same way but I let it ride. " In response to Reply # 0
I will say that it seems that those arrested were arrested without incident it seems (although I don't know for sure), while black people are taken in much more aggressively for less. But I don't have the facts to criticize and don't find any personal value in taking the time to.
But as far as people questioning the national guard not being brought in and whatnot.... they're reaching in a major way.
22. "Unarmed people angry about unarmed people being killed without" In response to Reply # 5
justice are more of a threat than 170+ armed people who just got through having a shootout and killing 9 people?
I dont think the national guard should be sent in for either party, but if they wanna turn up then turn the fuck up all the way. Then niggas weren't even handcuffed, they were texting and chilling on the sidewalk like time out.
Okp is only progressive when it comes to sexuality, any other topic and you niggas turn into middle class white people real quick.
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27. "RE: Unarmed people angry about unarmed people being killed without" In response to Reply # 22
> > >Okp is only progressive when it comes to sexuality, any other >topic and you niggas turn into middle class white people real >quick. > > >
Give me dick or give me death ass niggas...
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28. "No, people throwing bricks, bottles, and rocks at police..." In response to Reply # 22 Wed May-20-15 06:37 PM by daryloneal
and setting cars and businesses on fire are more of a threat than people sitting down after a major altercation is under control.
I'm not saying that there aren't overall disparities in justice, I'm saying it's a reach to be on some "why no national guard for this??" shit.
Now if a second round of uncontrolled incidents breaks out, bearing in mind that the National Guard was deployed after the second round of chaos in Baltimore, we can talk.
46. "No we're not. That line of logic won't get you anywhere" In response to Reply # 30
American media is about a lot more than just reporting stuff and sharing links.
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47. "American media has been reduced to videos and stories from.." In response to Reply # 46 Thu May-21-15 07:46 AM by daryloneal
twitter.
A local photographer Devin Allen, who just started shooting 2 years ago, captured telling images of the protests that have been shared all over the world, including by the likes of Beyonce and Rihanna, and landed on the cover of Time Magazine. And this all started from Instagram posts.
The "media" didn't pick up the Trayvon Martin story first, social media did.
Fuck CNN and Fox News.
People don't understand the power they have at their fingertips.
People are on their phones WAY more than they're in front of TV screens and newspapers.
The "media" will always be what it is. Change your own perspective and take power into your own hands. It's waiting for you.
No, it isn't. There are meme's being shared complaining about the lack of tear gas, national guard and whatnot.
And PART of that is faulty considering tear gas wasn't used in Baltimore when things first popped off. The police actually stood down to a certain extent against the teenagers throwing all types of shit and busting police car windows when they could have very well killed a few of them and gotten off.
Is this a defense of police response? No. They only thing I've pointed out here is the faulty comparison of national guard vs. no national guard if you actually READ my original reply. Somehow you misread that and started talking about the media.
But feel free to keep arguing shit that I am not if it's entertaining for you.
""Nobody had any beef with the police in that situation.""
I may not be following what you are saying but the accounts I have heard is that the bikers were taking shots at the police when they tried to intervene.
Anyway, I think the comparison are silly as well but I don't think for the same reason you do.
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8. ""Nobody had any beef with the police in that situation."" In response to Reply # 0
I may not be following what you are saying but the accounts I have heard is that the bikers were taking shots at the police when they tried to intervene.
Anyway, I think the comparison are silly as well but I don't think for the same reason you do.
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16. "I also remember reading that one of the bikers is a former cop" In response to Reply # 8
So for me to think that some of those cops being shot at weren't dirty....c'mon bruh.
theres a difference between dirty cops and the actual aggression of the "riot" or the "gang fight" being directed AT THE COPS...which is the case in Baltimore. So again....you are missing the point.
17. "Making sense on FB is pointless. " In response to Reply # 10 Wed May-20-15 05:02 PM by Heinz
Apparently like making sense with you is pointless. Cause if that is your reply you are probably one of the dumb fucks participating in those threads or reposting as if it makes sense. So if your reply was to challenge me to say it to someone on FB im saying it to you. Stop being a dumb fuck, you dumb fuck. Happy? *shrugs* lol are u done with your emo feelings to talk about the actual point or you just wanna run around the bush still? Cool beans.
33. "I love how u call *me* emotional while *you* fly off the handle namecall..." In response to Reply # 17
But yeah I only got fb to keep in touch w/ my people's... So you still talking at the wrong person. Let us know how it goes when you say all that to your fb friends tho.
18. "Fam, most black protests against police brutality start off peaceful" In response to Reply # 0
until cops come in with riot gear antagonizing and pepper spraying children n shit.
Yes, people are gonna compare because the media picks n chooses who's character theyre going to assassinate in order to push the "black people are violent savages" narrative. They REFUSE to call these dudes fatherless thugs but....you know what, you got it dog.
P.S. Aint you from Canada? Its very relevant.
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21. "Fam...Waco was a gang ting. Not a protest. " In response to Reply # 18
Calling it a gang thing is attacking their character. They werent doing good. They arent being painted in any good light being call a gang. They are now even connected to a mass murder of bikers up here in Toronto because of that shit......Shits'bad. Not good.
Again. I don't disagree at all with what the media does to black or minorities in general and how they portray us. Not at all. But the direct correlation between these two situations is not there.
19. "no police and bikers do have beef" In response to Reply # 0 Wed May-20-15 05:14 PM by ndibs
these are gangs like any other gangs. there are police biker gangs that have beef with the other gangs and do all kinds of shady stuff like sell confiscated drugs to other biker gangs.
if the police didn't seem too nervous it's probably because the real violence came from the cops who decided to show up at the meeting and use the meeting as sniper practice when a fist fight broke out.
Trigger happiness and a woeful disrespect for human life isn't just how they operate towards black. i'm not sure how people are thinking these guys got caught a break from the cops. 9 died and 18 were wounded, while ZERO cops got killed (not sure how many were shot if any).
31. "alot of the bikers are claiming SWAT opened up on them" In response to Reply # 0
and that that's the real reason so many are dead. that they used the brawl as an excuse to pick them off. They're calling it the "Waco Police Massacre"
Yeah maybe it's all horseshit, but i wouldn't put it past at least a few of them to take some shots. 1%ers and law enforcement despise each other to no end.
32. "not to be all #actually" In response to Reply # 0 Wed May-20-15 06:50 PM by dafriquan
but from all indications, the bike gangs do have beef with the cops. especially since it turns out the cops are actually responsible for most of the casualties. they showed up to shoot fish in a barrel...lol
also check the latest news. the bike gangs have threatened to retaliate against the police.
ps i don't agree with comparing waco to baltimore either. in fact it paints the protestors in a worse light by comparing them to ruthless killers and international drug runners.
42. "I think you miss the point" In response to Reply # 32 Thu May-21-15 01:51 AM by Heinz
And i brought up the fact that the cops, even the dirty one involved and the former cop turned gang member involved obviously were involved violently in some capacity. It wasnt on some Danny Tanner Full House shit when the cops came cue *Full House moment music*. My point was the direct altercation had nothing to do with the police vs gangs it was biker gang vs biker gang feuding. MUCH MUCH different than police vs protestors as the cops were CLEARLY at 1 side of the feud. I don't get how that doesnt make sense to people.
You try and go fight someone and also defuse the situation at the same time vs going to break up 2 people fighting. Its much different situation.
btw I agree comparing protestors to gang members is just dumb too.
36. "Canadians...google "clive bundy ranch" as well" In response to Reply # 0 Thu May-21-15 12:53 AM by TRENDone
i respect your outside opinion tho. i'm trying to grow as a human...please hit me with a link of something going on in your neck of the woods that i can learn from.
39. "Dear American....stay on topic. Link me to that. " In response to Reply # 36 Thu May-21-15 01:41 AM by Heinz
If you wanna take me on a trip to another tangent that isn't directly about the OG post or the two incidents that are being talked about send me the link. BUT...i know you won't cause you have nothing to say but reply back with snark about something else. OH btw...I saw the VICE episode too. Want a fucking cookie? OH.....yeah. VICE is Canadian. Look it up. The only good media these days talking about actual news where you most likely heard about the incident you tried to be snarky about....A Canadian. Learn that.
44. "It's a running theme, these stories tie into each other " In response to Reply # 39 Thu May-21-15 02:46 AM by TRENDone
U gotta shock ppl to de-program the way ppl think...that's all these "aktibistas" are trying to do.
Now seriously, link me to social justice issues going on in Canada. I need perspective. Cuz journalists that care abt the stuff tie these things together. Look at what happened during the Cairo protests. Journalists took pics of Egyptians supporting Mike Brown & the Black Lives Matter movement.
Crab in the barrel ass flip...let it go. I don't have any beef with u my brother. School me, forreal. I don't really know abt Canadian history. I know USA, C/S America has a history of slavery & imperialism. So does the Philippines. Who are the marginalized ethnic groups in your country?
43. "OK before anyone even tries to waste their breath trying to make sense" In response to Reply # 0
out of that shit narrative that these 2 situations need to be linked together. I get you are your argument is that the media portrayed the protestors in Baltimore as ONLY looting violent people. I get that. They chose that narrative to air on television and print. I never once said i disagreed with that, so stop making that my argument LOL
Footage was only able to be captured on cameras because...well its a protest, whether a protest is violent or peaceful it's pretty much useless if the media doesn't cover it. Not pretty much useless, but totally useless. The whole point is to create a moment where the media shows up so you have a voice and your message is spread. Nobody hears about a productive protest from their friend of a friend LOL the sentence "Hey, I heard what that guy Martin...something King did last Monday at that thing..." has never ever been said by anyone. I totally think the media did the protestors dirty by mostly showing the images of people looting or being violent. Of course, it's ridiculous to not think that.
There was no actual footage of the shit load of people fighting in Waco from the media. I've only seen the aftermath of people being arrested or sitting down on the floor on their phones. I'm sorry the fight wasnt sponsored by the UFC or HBO Boxing and the only the footage or photos shown are the very ones we have all seen so that the argument of "WTF why is the media portraying these white biker gangs like they didnt do anything violent" can be used so that argument could make actual sense. But it doesn't. Because it doesn't.
All you saw were grown men with beards sitting in straight lines waiting to be patted down....because by the time media got there thats all they could get. You don't think the media wouldve loved to have captured footage of the actual fight and be the only station to have that footage? C'mon man. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDIDr8MJTbc
Like i said, its ridiculous if anyone doesnt think the media did the protestors wrong in Baltimore or minorities in general whenever they cover us. But to draw lines of comparison to shit that doesnt even make sense like Waco/Baltimore and trying to connect an injustice between the two is just utterly stupid and does not help change things. Its a waste of a time. It's a Tea Party move.
To the idiot who tried bringing up the fact that im Canadian so I can't have an opinion on it is just another stupid Tea Party type argument that is laughable. Trying to bring up news that he most likely heard from watching VICE.....which is Canadian. smh. But he'll deny that fact too.
45. "The Tea Party and Fox News are effective in getting their narrative out." In response to Reply # 0 Thu May-21-15 04:39 AM by Lardlad95
I honestly don't care if it's a 1:1 comparison.
Liberals and progressives suck at grabbing a narrative and making it their own, and for some reason the Tea Party and Fox news are great at it.
It's great to have the moral high ground and all but as someone who grew up in the Bush years I'm kind of sick of seeing our side take it on the chin just so we can be "technically correct".
Fuck it, if this gets people to point out discrepancies in media coverage, I could really give a fuck if it makes perfect sense. We're always the ones who have to turn the other cheek and do the respectability dance.
Fuck that. Let white people answer for Sons of Anarchy the same way I've had to defend rap. This shit is funny to me.
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In fact....I don't even think bikers are offended by being associated with criminality. Even bikers who aren't down for the criminal aspect of that lifestyle still like to be associated with the intimidation/bad-ass stuff that comes with looking like that.
But yah, white people who aren't bikers don't worry about being mistaken for bikers.
But I DO think it's useful to look at the language used by the media in describing the Waco thing. And if the Baltimore riot's are not a good analogy....then just substitute in any coverage of Crip/Blood hostilities. And that's a pretty rock-solid analogy imo.
I went looking after someone mentioned it another post...and sure enough, the first article I read in my city's biggest newspaper used the words 'rumble', 'good ol'fashioned shoot-out', and 'fued'. I don't think it's reaching to suggest that this language is less likely to be used in an article about bloods/crips. And I'd argue that this language sorta normalizes the nature of the violence in the reader's mind. There's a 'boys will be boys' kinda vibe to it.
A white Law Enforcement specialist on CNN just said we shouldn't take reports that the largely white bikers are prepping to attack cops in revenge for "the deaths of their brothers..." too seriously....Very specific..Grenades and C-4 explosives....
But dude on CNN says: "I don't think that the leadership is that stupid"....lol
That's why people are giving this whole story the racial side-eye....lol
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