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John Forte
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"Poll question: Worst person in Westeros"


          

Poll result (11 votes)
Roose Bolton (1 votes)Vote
Ramsey Bolton (7 votes)Vote
Walder Frey (0 votes)Vote
Melisandre (0 votes)Vote
The Mountain (0 votes)Vote
Other (specify) (3 votes)Vote

  

  

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LittleFinger
May 20th 2015
1
Agreed. He's put A LOT of this shit in motion.
May 20th 2015
5
you think he's on sersei side, or will he end up protecting sansa?
May 20th 2015
7
      He is on all sides until there is a clear winner, then he is on that sid...
May 20th 2015
8
      he likes sansa more, but it's all secondary
May 20th 2015
13
           Yep, LF cares about LF above and beyond all else.
May 20th 2015
14
                ya looks like hes setting up to give him plenty of options
May 20th 2015
22
^
May 21st 2015
45
1) Ramsay. 2) The Mountain. 3) Joffrey. 4) Walder Frey. 5) Roose.
May 20th 2015
2
Between Ramsey and Joffrey... but Ramsey is smarter.
May 20th 2015
3
Joffrey dead
May 20th 2015
9
So is the mountain
May 20th 2015
34
      I'll believe it when I see it.
May 21st 2015
39
           k
May 21st 2015
40
They did a good job of not having redundant characters. As sick as they
May 20th 2015
10
cruelty WAS Joffrey's sex
May 20th 2015
11
Ramsey is the not-a-pussy version of Joffrey
May 20th 2015
12
      How do they kill Ramsey in a way that's satisfying.
May 20th 2015
18
           I'd love to see Ramsey betray Roose...
May 20th 2015
21
                I think Ramsay actually kills Roose
May 20th 2015
25
                I don't see Ramsey making it past the next 2-3 episodes. Doesn't
May 21st 2015
36
                ha, if anything the other way around
May 21st 2015
41
                Roose killing Ramsey WOULD be the most satisfying
May 21st 2015
44
                     if roose kills ramsay it will be 100% strategic
May 21st 2015
46
                     ^^This right here. The icing would be that ultimately it would be a
May 21st 2015
49
J. Snow for not smashin the Fire Bitch
May 20th 2015
4
Yo said ninja foot....LMAOOOOOOO...I'm stealin that shit
May 20th 2015
15
^ This man is focused
May 20th 2015
16
lmao
May 21st 2015
37
Honorable mention: Stannis' wife
May 20th 2015
6
good call, she's crazy evil man.
May 20th 2015
23
She's just brainwashed and low on self esteem
May 21st 2015
38
Cersei Lannister
May 20th 2015
17
Agreed. Two of the worst x chromosomes I ever seent.
May 21st 2015
35
Yep
May 21st 2015
47
You know what I never understood about the Boltons, if they are soo
May 20th 2015
19
Was it Politics?
May 20th 2015
20
when the boltons pledged loyalty to the starks, they stopped.
May 20th 2015
24
from the wiki
May 20th 2015
26
long answer from ask the maester (possible spoilers)
May 21st 2015
43
Ramsey is the new Joffrey
May 20th 2015
27
on one hand ramsey needs to die the gruesomist of deaths
May 20th 2015
28
Honorable mention: Lord Varys
May 20th 2015
29
How is Varys even a bad person? Grand Meister Pycelle, yeah
May 20th 2015
30
Lol, he's one of the most moral people on the show
May 20th 2015
31
      I don't trust him
May 20th 2015
32
      lmao
May 21st 2015
42
      ^^
May 21st 2015
48
the sand snakes. They just fucking suck
May 20th 2015
33

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1. "LittleFinger"
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5. "Agreed. He's put A LOT of this shit in motion."
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7. "you think he's on sersei side, or will he end up protecting sansa?"
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I know ultimately he's on Littlefinger's side, but, I can't tell which one of those women he values more.

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8. "He is on all sides until there is a clear winner, then he is on that sid..."
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>I know ultimately he's on Littlefinger's side, but, I can't
>tell which one of those women he values more.


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13. "he likes sansa more, but it's all secondary"
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he has some affection for Sansa, becuase he was in love with her mom, and finds himself attracted to her, and she'll ultimately be easier to deal with than Cersei, who he doesn't like at all. but like you said, ultimately he's TeamLittleFinger, so who ever he winds up having to fuck over in the process, so be it.

  

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14. "Yep, LF cares about LF above and beyond all else."
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22. "ya looks like hes setting up to give him plenty of options"
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if stannis, his army all converge on winterfell it can go any number of ways


if stannis has to fight the boltons, littlefinger can probably come in and tip the scales either way

  

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45. "^"
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2. "1) Ramsay. 2) The Mountain. 3) Joffrey. 4) Walder Frey. 5) Roose."
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3. "Between Ramsey and Joffrey... but Ramsey is smarter."
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So you have to decide which holds the greater capacity for evil: the smart sadist with rising power or the dumb sadist with endless power.

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9. "Joffrey dead"
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I say you, he dead.

  

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34. "So is the mountain "
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For all intents and purposes

prototype

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39. "I'll believe it when I see it."
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Cersei gave his not-quite-dead body to that creepy Maester who had been banned for human experiments. Until proven otherwise, The Mountain is alive.

  

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40. "k"
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prototype

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10. "They did a good job of not having redundant characters. As sick as they"
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both are/were, they are sick in very different ways.

And their is a big point of contrast in that Joffrey was very asexual/scared of sex, whereas Ramsey's sadism is very sex oriented.


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11. "cruelty WAS Joffrey's sex"
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12. "Ramsey is the not-a-pussy version of Joffrey"
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which is pretty scary.

Joffrey was horrible to everyone, but he went the hardest on Sansa and Tyrion because he knew they both recognized how weak he was underneath it all. Tyrion always openly looked thorugh Joffrey and would even slap him around in public. Sansa saw him get punked by her 10 year old sister.

  

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18. "How do they kill Ramsey in a way that's satisfying."
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Being the cruelest character on the show, dude has got to go out in away that is satisfying to the audience.

Joffrey's was pretty good because it was such a punkish way to go, in front of everyone choking like a baby in his mothers arms.

Only thing Ramsey seems to value is his dad's respect. It has to be in such a way that incorporates their twisted relationship.


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21. "I'd love to see Ramsey betray Roose..."
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... and then have Roose execute him, as he begs and screams for his father not to do it.

That obviously wouldn't be ideal for Sansa's situation, but it'd be satisfying to see Ramsey go out like that. He's expendable too, with a boy kid on the way.

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25. "I think Ramsay actually kills Roose"
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ramsay becomes the supervillain in GOT

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36. "I don't see Ramsey making it past the next 2-3 episodes. Doesn't"
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Have the lineage to be the super boss bad guy.

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44. "Roose killing Ramsey WOULD be the most satisfying"
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since Ramsey is so desperate for Roose's approval.

Roose knows this so I think, whatever the motivation (I think it'll be more political and practical), Roose is going to throw his disapproval in Ramsey's face before killing him.

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46. "if roose kills ramsay it will be 100% strategic"
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49. "^^This right here. The icing would be that ultimately it would be a "
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futile or inconsequential gesture and some how Ramsey knows it.


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4. "J. Snow for not smashin the Fire Bitch"
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missed out on some of that cray ninja foot

  

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15. "Yo said ninja foot....LMAOOOOOOO...I'm stealin that shit"
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16. "^ This man is focused"
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37. "lmao"
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Let me sport my Air Hyperbole 2010s in peace. (c) ansomble

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6. "Honorable mention: Stannis' wife"
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23. "good call, she's crazy evil man."
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38. "She's just brainwashed and low on self esteem"
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She fully believes that Lord of Light stuff and believes she's doing the right thing... possibly even more earnestly than Melisandre who as good as admitted to Shireen (I think it was Shireen anyway) that at least some of her 'miracles' are smoke and mirrors in order to convince non-believers.

She reminds me of the sort of extreme low esteem/depression sufferer that gets obsessive over conspiracy theories.

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17. "Cersei Lannister"
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35. "Agreed. Two of the worst x chromosomes I ever seent."
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Da bayball, babeh. (c) Charlie Kelly.

  

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47. "Yep"
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...forget all the other stuff she's done, if she'd just given Robert a real heir, we'd probably have a unified Westeros still

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19. "You know what I never understood about the Boltons, if they are soo"
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terrible flaying folks and what not, how could the honorable just Ned Starks abide with having them around when he was Warden of the North?


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20. "Was it Politics?"
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24. "when the boltons pledged loyalty to the starks, they stopped."
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Officially at least, but as shown by nutjob bastard son, it went on off the record.

  

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26. "from the wiki"
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House Bolton is infamous for its centuries-old practice of flaying their enemies alive, to the point that they use a flayed man as their House sigil. The Boltons supposedly gave up this practice after bending the knee to House Stark, and centuries later Lord Eddard Stark outlawed flaying in the North altogether, but the Boltons continue the practice.


http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/House_Bolton

  

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43. "long answer from ask the maester (possible spoilers)"
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The short answer is that allies aren’t necessarily friends. The longer answer, as you might expect, is that the lord-and-vassal relationship between the Starks and the Boltons is complex, rife with conflict and quite a bit of foreshadowing. The Starks ruled the North — first as Kings, then as high lords and Wardens of the North — for about 8,000 years, and a house doesn’t expand its control over the whole of a region like the North by asking politely and campaigning on a platform of good governance. Though we view their house through the tragically heroic lens of Ned “Bring Your Honor to a Sword Fight” Stark, over that vast ocean of time there have been good Starks and bad Starks, strong Starks and weak Starks, just Starks and rapaciously warlike Starks. The ancient North, just like the rest of Westeros, was made up of numerous petty kingdoms. The Starks’ rise from local warlords to Kings in the North necessitated the subjugation of these minor kingdoms, not to mention occasionally grappling with warg armies and greenseers and giants and various inhuman creatures native to the North and beyond. Many of the notable houses of the North today were once rulers in their own rights who bent the knee — the Flints, the Slates, and the Glovers, for example — and others who refused were wiped out and lost to history.

Of these ancient kingdoms of the North, the Red Kings of the House Bolton — who ruled the lands between the Last River and the River Whiteknife from the Dreadfort — were among the most powerful and definitely the most antagonistic to Stark hegemony. King Royce II was the first Bolton to sack and burn Winterfell. The Starks rebounded, only to have their home destroyed again 300 years later by King Royce IV Bolton, known as “Redarm” for his habit of thrusting his arm into his enemies’ stomachs and tearing out their intestines. Cool family. Also: Make your castle stronger, Stark homies. Roughly 6,000 years ago, King Rogar “the Huntsman” Bolton bent his knee to the Starks, ending the contest-of-equals phase of the relationship between the two and ushering in the mostly-loyal-vassal-with-occasional-bouts-of-bloody-insurrection phase. As subjects of Winterfell, the Boltons took part in the Starks’ wars, most notably between the North and the Arryns of the Vale. That war, to hear the Arryns tell it, was not lacking in Northmen atrocities: children killed and boiled in pots; entrails torn out and roasted before the eyes of their owners; the head-Bolton-in-charge at the time supposedly making a headquarters tent out of the skins of his captives. It isn’t clear whether any of these things actually occurred and, if so, who took part in them; Northerners dispute the accounts. But considering the documented scope of Bolton depravity, it’s fair to surmise that these horrors did occur and that either the Boltons hid them from the Starks (it wouldn’t be the first time, or the last), or the Starks pretended they didn’t know.

There’s some evidence that, during this time of relative amity, Winterfell pursued a strategy of containment in order to dissuade the Boltons from rising from their knees. A fortress called the Wolf’s Den (which has since grown into the city known as White Harbor) was established at the mouth of the White Knife by King Jon Stark. The Den was ostensibly raised to guard the river from invasion, but it’s hard to ignore that the fortress and its attendant lands also happen to hem the Boltons in from the south. The Wolf’s Den was kept under direct Stark control, and some Kings in the North actually preferred to use the Den as their seat over Winterfell. To the East of the Dreadfort, Karlon Stark, an ancient second son of an unknown King in the North, built the castle of Karhold with lands that may or may not have been taken from Bolton domains. Over time, as the Wolf’s Den and Karhold were passed down within various branches of the Stark family, offshoot branches appeared. The branch that sits at Karhold calls themselves the Karstarks; you might recall Robb Stark beheading the Lord Karstark for going rogue and killing the young Lannister hostages a few seasons back. At the Wolf’s Den, various cadet branches appeared, the longest-running of which were the Greystarks. They reigned for 500 years — until they joined with the Boltons in yet another Dreadfort rebellion against Winterfell and were exterminated. It is said that over the years of outright warfare and simmering resentment (which occasionally bubbled over into insurrection), numerous Stark kings and lords were flayed, their skins worn as Bolton cloaks or hung as drapery.

Then there are the darker whispers, the folktales that the fabled Night’s King — the power-mad former 13th Lord Commander of the Night’s Watch, who fell in love with a strange pale woman, possibly begetting the White Walkers — was, perhaps, a Bolton. Or a Stark or a Norrey or a Skagosi cannibal. At any rate, Bolton is always the first name on the list.

So why do the Starks put up with this? Well, basically, war in Westeros is prohibitively expensive. The majority of the soldiers who make up the armies in Westeros are simple peasants, small folk who normally would be working their lord’s fields, milling their grain, or doing some other needed service. In addition to the common footsoldiers, there are the landed knights and lords and their noble squires, and their armorers, all in the field risking their lives when they could be at home working. When King Harlon Stark laid siege to the Dreadfort to put down yet another Bolton rebellion, it took his army two years to starve the Dreadfort into submission. That’s two years of economic and agricultural activity basically ground to a halt. This is why Westerosi wars usually end with the losing side capitulating and agreeing to terms rather than the ultimate extinction of a noble house, though that does occasionally happen. (See: Reynes, Castamere.) Once a side knows they can’t win, they pay a few hundred pounds of silver, maybe give up a few sons as hostages, maybe marry off a few daughters, hand over a few parcels of land, and promise never ever ever to do it again. Ninety-nine percent of the time, all is forgiven because everyone just wants to fucking go home and not die when the other side is willing to surrender. It’s just easier that way, and most of the time the system works. Up until the Red Wedding, the Boltons had been more or less loyal to the Starks for a thousand years. Sure, they might still flay people now and again, and, yes, Ramsay is insane. But that’s nothing worth calling the banners over.

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27. "Ramsey is the new Joffrey"
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28. "on one hand ramsey needs to die the gruesomist of deaths"
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on the other Brianne really deserves to nab this one

  

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29. "Honorable mention: Lord Varys"
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He's just as calculating as Littlefinger,
but he's slightly less evil.

  

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30. "How is Varys even a bad person? Grand Meister Pycelle, yeah"
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but Varys?

He had an old man in a box with his mouth sewed shut, but that was the guy who cut his dick off when he was a kid.

  

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31. "Lol, he's one of the most moral people on the show"
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and he is actually doing what he does for the welfare of the common folk

  

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32. "I don't trust him"
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42. "lmao"
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Let me sport my Air Hyperbole 2010s in peace. (c) ansomble

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48. "^^"
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33. "the sand snakes. They just fucking suck"
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This is based on the show of course

Who I hate the most right now tho? Hmmm after last ep I'm having a hard time caring

I'll say roose

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believe in love, prepare urself for love, remove the negativity from ur life, and accept the love u kno u deserve

  

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