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BigJazz
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"why aren't we taxing churches?"


  

          

it's been estimated that taxing churches would generate $71-$82 billion dollars a year.

why ain't this happening?






http://bigthink.com/21st-century-spirituality/how-to-make-71-billion-a-year-tax-the-churches

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2013/08/22/you-give-religions-more-than-82-5-billion-a-year/



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Because they're designated as non profit organizations?
Apr 17th 2015
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yeah, we don't tax any non-profit
Apr 17th 2015
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...so is the NCAA...
Apr 17th 2015
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      Well the best solution probably isn't a pendulum swing the other way.
Apr 17th 2015
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churches make money via essentially donations
Apr 17th 2015
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can you imagine?
Apr 17th 2015
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I'm usually for taxing everyone we can...
Apr 17th 2015
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This ^^^^^
Apr 19th 2015
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NFL is a non-profit too. Go after them.
Apr 17th 2015
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FOR THE LAST FUCKING TIME
Apr 17th 2015
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      Does this mean the TV deal is tax free money?
Apr 17th 2015
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           the tv money is distributed among the teams, and taxed
Apr 17th 2015
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People should really just read about what a 990 tax return is.
Apr 17th 2015
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RE: why aren't we taxing churches?
Apr 19th 2015
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because churches continue to supplement yt supremacy-
Apr 19th 2015
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my issue is when they donate to political campaigns
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MEAT
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Fri Apr-17-15 12:23 PM

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1. "Because they're designated as non profit organizations?"
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John Forte
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Fri Apr-17-15 12:25 PM

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2. "yeah, we don't tax any non-profit"
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I'm not a fan of giving churches tax-exempt status, but I don't want charities and community orgs taxed.

  

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bentagain
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Fri Apr-17-15 12:41 PM

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5. "...so is the NCAA..."
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Fri Apr-17-15 12:43 PM by bentagain

  

          

just recently re-watched religulous

and on the heels of that Scientology doc

safe to say, this is big business

and little faith

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MEAT
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9. "Well the best solution probably isn't a pendulum swing the other way. "
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Two major organizations with uber influence shouldn't dictate how we view the other 99% of the other entities in that bucket.

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labcoat
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Fri Apr-17-15 12:30 PM

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3. "churches make money via essentially donations"
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people who tithe/ donate do not have that money
accounted as taxable income

i get your question
but a good church ~98% really
does wonderful things for the community
so in a sense the government gets "paid"
because that money is sewn back to the community

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rdhull
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Fri Apr-17-15 12:31 PM

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4. "can you imagine?"
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TheAlbionist
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Fri Apr-17-15 12:47 PM

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6. "I'm usually for taxing everyone we can..."
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Fri Apr-17-15 12:48 PM by TheAlbionist

  

          

... but you can't start taxing non-profits whose overriding purpose is to give back to the community.

Church tithing is just tax and spend by any other name tbh... you don't need to take more away.

Of course we DO need to make sure that any salaried members of churches are taxed properly though. People should be strongly discouraged from becoming rich off the donations of the faithful. I'd probably favour some form of salary capping for non-profits to ensure that the donations ARE going back into the community too.

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Ted Gee Seal
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16. "This ^^^^^"
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>... but you can't start taxing non-profits whose overriding
>purpose is to give back to the community.
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>Church tithing is just tax and spend by any other name tbh...
>you don't need to take more away.
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>Of course we DO need to make sure that any salaried members of
>churches are taxed properly though. People should be strongly
>discouraged from becoming rich off the donations of the
>faithful. I'd probably favour some form of salary capping for
>non-profits to ensure that the donations ARE going back into
>the community too.

Salary capping might be hard. Having a steeper progressive tax curve would be more interesting, as well as a clause requiring all salaries above a certain level to be detailed individually in the accounts.

Just IMO though.

  

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Case_One
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7. "NFL is a non-profit too. Go after them."
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"And the Lord’s servant must not be quarrelsome but must be kind to everyone, able to teach, not resentful." ~ 2 Tim 2:4

  

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John Forte
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Fri Apr-17-15 12:53 PM

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8. "FOR THE LAST FUCKING TIME"
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NFL teams are for-profit corporations and pay taxes. The NFL is the association of the teams. There's nothing wrong with the League being tax-exempt if the teams are paying taxes.

  

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legsdiamond
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10. "Does this mean the TV deal is tax free money?"
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John Forte
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11. "the tv money is distributed among the teams, and taxed"
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soulfunk
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12. "People should really just read about what a 990 tax return is."
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It's not as simple as "churches don't pay taxes". Churches and every other tax-exempt organization have to file the 990 tax return which details all of their income and expenses, and they have to prove in this return that they deserve to maintain that tax-exempt status. They report where their contributions are coming from, including the names and addresses of large contributors. They have to specify what their exempt purpose is (which needs to fit IRS guidelines) and they need to report what types of activities they did throughout the year for that exempt purpose. They need to also detail all of their expenses, whether that money is going towards other charities, salaries of board members and/or officers (those salaries end up getting taxed just like anyone else's income), marketing, whatever. Those board members have all their info reported as well. Any income they receive during the year that is unrelated to their exempt purpose ends up getting taxes on a separate return called a 990T - for unrelated business revenue.

The bottom line is that if they are filing the return correctly and honestly, then they get to keep that tax-exempt status because they really are putting money back into the community much like any other charity of non-profit. Are some of them shady and lie about what they report on the return, yes, just like any other type of business or individual person my be shady on their taxes.

  

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astroman71
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13. "RE: why aren't we taxing churches?"
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The same reason churchgoers can double park with impunity.

At least that's why this issue is a nonstarter.

Nobody wants to mess with churches politically.

  

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14. "because churches continue to supplement yt supremacy-"
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even in its refinement stage.

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falafel stand pimpin
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15. "my issue is when they donate to political campaigns"
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cant something be done about that?

  

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