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"NYC: Anyone ever win the housing lottery/How's DeBlasio doing?"


  

          

I see stuff like this and wonder does anyone ever get these?

http://www.brickunderground.com/blog/2015/04/affordable_rentals_harlem

Or is it pie in the sky with chances like the real lottery?

If there were any shot at it I would be on this website

https://a806-housingconnect.nyc.gov/nyclottery/lottery.html#current-projects

daily. If someone told me you did that for 5-7 years straight you would get a place it would be worth it. But if the chances of getting a place are one in a million seems like a waste of time.

Anyone ever won it? Anyone know anybody who ever won it?


Second Question:

How do folks think DeBlasio is doing? I don't dislike and he seems progressive enough but he doesn't seem to be generating any strong love for him from any segment of the city. I ask black people about him and they are like "meh" (if Black people said "meh"). He seems to have all the right people angry at him but not the right people or anybody loving him.

What's your take?



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I know a few people that have won lotteries that live in ridiculous
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RE: I know a few people that have won lotteries that live in ridiculous
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      Right. See but E Pkwy and Utica is far out. My man who was living
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           Yeah, I lived in a luxury building near Empire Blvd, off the Sterling 2 ...
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                RE: Yeah, I lived in a luxury building near Empire Blvd, off the Sterlin...
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RE: NYC: Anyone ever win the housing lottery/How's DeBlasio doing?
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i've met a few
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yeah my cousin and her mom both got it.
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true
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I don't know anyone. What I want to know are
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try the regular newspapers
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      Thanks!
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I know a few. Got close myself
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applied 3 times. I should apply more
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Folks here are making it sound like its a matter of patience and focus
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      it kinda is
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      nah. i think you have to apply for each project.
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           the website makes it mad easy to apply.
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When the hell will the affordable apts open at "Atlantic Yards"??
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RE: When the hell will the affordable apts open at "Atlantic Yards"??
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RE: When the hell will the affordable apts open at "Atlantic Yards"??
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      LOL :-(
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When I first moved here i knew this man who won a place in midtown
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anyone catch this article when it first ran back in Jan?
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Thanks for this.
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Yo, how mad would you be if you missed great housing well below
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      as mad as I was that I didn't qualify for food stamps
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that guy seems even more hated than Obama
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Imagine an Obama that no one loves.
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yea kinda bugged seeing deblasio at the NAN presser shouting out
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Also, a bit douchey for DeBlasio to not endorse Clinton yet.
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T Reynolds
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1. "I know a few people that have won lotteries that live in ridiculous"
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buildings. uptown and downtown

  

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3. "RE: I know a few people that have won lotteries that live in ridiculous"
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My wifes sister won one and she lives in a brand new building on E pkwy and Utica.

But she qualified as low income since shes a "single mom" with 2 kids who works for TSA

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5. "Right. See but E Pkwy and Utica is far out. My man who was living"
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in public housing uptown was able to get a studio in the Avalon on Bowery and Houston paying like 700 a month. At the time he was sharing a room with his younger sister. Now he is a counselor in ENY. My girl's aunt and her family got an apartment in the nice ass building right across the street from him. She has TWO apartments somehow that she got off the lottery. Who knows who she's fucking for that.

Another dude I know lives on the north side of Central Park with a CRAZY view of central park... from his BALCONY. Dude is a trainer at NYSC but recently had a child.

Supposedly there are two buildings going up at the City Point site on Willoughby and Flatbush Ave Ext. One whole building is market value, one whole building is 'affordable'. Never seen housing broken down into two separate buildings, instead of the usual 80/20 or whatever in the same building.

  

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13. "Yeah, I lived in a luxury building near Empire Blvd, off the Sterling 2 ..."
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It was new and cute, but the amenities didn't make up for the dreary location. No one in BedStuy EVER came to visit me

I'm sure it will become a trendy extension of Lefferts-Gardens within two years though.




  

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18. "RE: Yeah, I lived in a luxury building near Empire Blvd, off the Sterlin..."
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Not that "the plex" shit right?

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2. "RE: NYC: Anyone ever win the housing lottery/How's DeBlasio doing?"
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lol we won the lottery for a middle income place in a luxury building in midtown.


Shit was $3500 a month. Well below market rate, but lol....

If we could flip that somehow, maybe. But naw.

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4. "i've met a few"
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been to a few apts

and thats when i first found out about the different treatment aspect

you won but its not what you think



>Second Question:
>
>How do folks think DeBlasio is doing? I don't dislike and he
>seems progressive enough but he doesn't seem to be generating
>any strong love for him from any segment of the city. I ask
>black people about him and they are like "meh" (if Black
>people said "meh"). He seems to have all the right people
>angry at him but not the right people or anybody loving him.
>
>
>What's your take?


i'm meh
the homeless issue is real
lets see if he has any progress on that

the one thing he took a firm stance on the police almost revolted

he does need to do more of that though
but that heat is going to be intense

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6. "yeah my cousin and her mom both got it."
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so it's not like really a traditional lottery so much as a process waiting and repeatedly applying.

  

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7. "true"
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>so it's not like really a traditional lottery so much as a
>process waiting and repeatedly applying.

you don't just apply for one
you apply for several over the course of years
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8. "I don't know anyone. What I want to know are "
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where the ones for homebuyers are.

And de Blasio, I wish I cared for him more. He's so meh to me. I wish he was a little more hard-lined.

I'm already wondering about whether he'd be able to get that second term.



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22. "try the regular newspapers"
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In with the apartment lotteries, I've seen the HUD joints for 1st time homebuyers using foreclosed homes or at least that's how I understood. A few years ago the same friend who lost an apt that she won via housing lotto was going to buy a house by Bainbridge through such a program.
I'll pick her brain and see what if anything she remembers about that.

here for dis.

  

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24. "Thanks!"
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Appreciate it.

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9. "I know a few. Got close myself"
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Maybe ten years back got in on a building right across the Whole Foods in the Lower East side, if I remember correctly she was a jobless teacher at the time. She's cute, but her apartment makes her downright HOT, lol.


Me I applied for these houses

http://www.brownstoner.com/blog/2012/04/more-applications-being-accepted-at-navy-green/

notice the minimum and maximum and how non-middle class they look towards the bottom; its nuts to be single, making 70k and being able to get eligble to get affordable housing (AND TO ACTUALLY NEED IT).

I applied when they first opened it up when i had my old job in between apartments. Out of nowhere they actually called me last year after I renewed my lease wanting me to rent a studio for 1550 (I guess they can slide it up closer to market rates after a vacancy)

  

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10. "applied 3 times. I should apply more"
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12. "Folks here are making it sound like its a matter of patience and focus"
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I remember hearing about affordable housing "lotteries" and list and hearing that they had 5 - 10 year waiting list.

I remember being like, that's crazy being on a list for so long.

But I have been here 15 years. Why da fuzz not wouldn't I put my name on a list 10 years ago and occasionally check up on it and reapply, if it means in 10 years I'll be in a dope as spot. That's a good deal!!

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15. "it kinda is"
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no matter how many people apply
everybody isn't going to
- still be here (moved or dead)
- qualify

you'd be surprised at how much that whittles down the list


if you KNOW you will still be here ten years down the line
apply
again and again and again
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17. "nah. i think you have to apply for each project."
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i dunno, it might be automated computerized now. but before it as pages of paperwork kinda like fafsa that you had to do.

  

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20. "the website makes it mad easy to apply. "
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but you def have to apply for diff projects separately
its literally just a click of the mouse though once you fill out the info you only have to do it once

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11. "When the hell will the affordable apts open at "Atlantic Yards"??"
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I guess it's called Pacific Park now. Whatever. They are supposed to have hundreds of apartments for low-, middle-, and moderate-income tenants. Any word on when the lottery starts? They're taking too long. I aint tryin to be 80 years old livin in Fort Greene.

Who am I kidding, yes I am :-/ lol

  

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16. "RE: When the hell will the affordable apts open at "Atlantic Yards"??"
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>I guess it's called Pacific Park now. Whatever. They are
>supposed to have hundreds of apartments for low-, middle-, and
>moderate-income tenants. Any word on when the lottery starts?
>They're taking too long. I aint tryin to be 80 years old livin
>in Fort Greene.
>
>Who am I kidding, yes I am :-/ lol
>
>

LOL
yes sir
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25. "RE: When the hell will the affordable apts open at "Atlantic Yards"??"
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14. "When I first moved here i knew this man who won a place in midtown"
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he got a studio that was like $800 a month but it was spacious and in a ridiculously nice building. I was like I have to get on this. Places in that building go for $3000 a month for studios.

He's the only person I know who had won.

Anyway the process to apply is easier now that you can apply online. I look randomly for places, but I am so picky about where I want to live lol.

  

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19. "anyone catch this article when it first ran back in Jan?"
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http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/30/nyregion/long-lines-and-low-odds-for-new-yorks-subsidized-housing-lotteries.html?_r=0

Long Lines, and Odds, for New York’s Subsidized Housing Lotteries
By MIREYA NAVARRO JAN. 29, 2015


Oluwashina Alaka, with his friend Onicka Oxford, at the Brooklyn
Sitting in the back pew of a packed church in Fort Greene, Brooklyn, William Jamieson hoped to learn winning tips from a workshop on how to play New York City’s housing lotteries.

The lotteries, which the city uses to distribute subsidized apartments in new buildings, can be hard to navigate, and Mr. Jamieson had applications pending for lotteries in two buildings.

But surrounded by hundreds of other hopefuls at the church, he was not feeling particularly lucky.

“I probably have a better chance playing the Lotto,” said Mr. Jamieson, 46, a warehouse worker who rents a room in a six-bedroom house and was hunting for a studio or a one-bedroom.

The odds of winning the New York Lotto jackpot are, of course, worse (one in 22 million on a $1 play), but the housing lotteries have daunting odds of their own.

Last year, a new building in Greenpoint, Brooklyn drew 58,832 lottery applications for 105 affordable units. Not far behind was the Sugar Hill development in Upper Manhattan, which drew more than 48,000 applicants for 98 apartments.

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Leigh Lumford, 28, surpassed the income requirement for an affordable unit by $3,000 a year. Credit Nicole Bengiveno/The New York Times
And topping both was the drawing this month for 38 units at 59 Frost Street in Williamsburg. With rents ranging from $640 for a studio to $1,395 for a two-bedroom, the Brooklyn property attracted more than 80,000 applications, said Martin Dunn, whose Dunn Development Corporation built the project. That is one unit for every 2,110 applications.

“It really shows how desperate the need is for affordable housing,” Mr. Dunn said.

As the city tries to address a housing crisis, many New Yorkers are becoming all too familiar with the lotteries used to dole out apartments that poor and working-class residents can afford.

Even as such lotteries proliferate in pockets of the city where new mixed-income developments are being built, the odds of going home to the prize are growing longer. That has led some elected officials and tenant advocates to call for changes in the process to account for the record-high demand.

“This is a moment when we really have to look at this because we’re about to see probably the greatest use of the lottery system in city history,” City Councilman Mark Levine said.

Last year, tenants won 2,500 new apartments through 41 lotteries that drew a total of 1.5 million applications, housing officials said. The lotteries are expected to multiply under Mayor Bill de Blasio’s pledge to produce 80,000 moderately priced apartments over the next 10 years, a goal that, even if reached, would still leave many lottery hopefuls empty-handed.

“When you have so many applicants, every concern is magnified because there’s so much at stake,” said Mr. Levine, who said he was drafting a bill to create a task force to examine the lottery system.

The city’s Department of Housing Preservation and Development runs the lotteries. Applicants who secure the lowest numbers in the agency’s random drawings are screened by the developer, which verifies income and interviews candidates until enough eligible households are found to fill the units set aside as affordable.

Applications rose substantially in 2013 when the city began accepting them online. NYC Housing Connect, the website listing the open lotteries, currently shows more than 290,000 registered users.

Mr. Levine said the experience with the lottery for the Sugar Hill Development, in his Upper Manhattan district, was sobering and raised issues of fairness. Sugar Hill’s developer, the nonprofit organization Broadway Housing Communities, said about three-fourths of the applicants who had been screened were rejected, mostly because their earnings were too low (income requirements ranged from $13,866 to $79,700, depending on the apartment size) or they failed to provide the necessary paperwork. Some missed out by as little as $25 a year, the developer said.

Other applicants had trouble producing tax records or proving their creditworthiness because their employment histories included numerous or short-lived low-paying jobs that are harder to document. And in the months that it took to sort through the candidates, some applicants lost their eligibility because their earnings or family size had changed. (Tenants already moved in are not forced to leave if their circumstances change.)

“Hundreds of people were excluded for reasons that were not rational,” Ellen Baxter, the executive director of the Broadway Housing Communities, said of the city’s lottery rules.

Leigh Lumford, 28, said she applied to the lottery for an apartment in 60 Water Street, a new luxury building in Dumbo, Brooklyn, last March, without a glimmer of hope. But in September, she was notified that she had drawn No. 615 in the lottery. Though only 58 of the 290 apartments there are subsidized, so many people are found to be ineligible or withdraw that No. 615 qualified Ms. Lumford for screening.

At a church in Brooklyn last fall, hundreds of people signed up to attend a workshop on how to apply for affordable housing. Credit Michael Appleton for The New York Times
“Oh, this is amazing,” she recalled thinking at the time.

But Ms. Lumford, who shares an apartment with two roommates in Crown Heights, Brooklyn, received a rejection letter in November saying she had surpassed the income requirement for an affordable unit by $3,000 a year. She appealed the decision, and lost, arguing that the screeners miscalculated when reviewing pay stubs from her jobs, some of them paid by the hour, as a yoga teacher in an after-school program, a CPR instructor and a babysitter.

“We’re not typically people who have one job,” she said.

Some tenant advocates said the developers should relax their standards for creditworthiness and documentation to accommodate the realities of the low-income tenant pool. A bigger issue for some is that eligibility for the new units is restricted to narrow bands of income that often leave out the very poor who need housing the most or applicants like Mr. Jamieson, who earn about $50,000 a year with overtime, too much money for a one-person household to qualify for many of the lotteries.

“It should be more equal,” Mr. Jamieson said. “They should decide case by case.”

Housing officials said the income restrictions were dictated by the subsidy programs financing the affordable units, which, in turn, depend on the strength of the housing market and the ability to finance new construction projects.

An equitable distribution of housing, city officials said, demands that everybody applying for lotteries be treated the same.

“It’s not fair if we have any flexibility in the rules,” said Elyzabeth Gaumer, an assistant housing commissioner. “It’s incredibly important that everybody has an equal chance of getting a unit or there’s more heartbreak to be had.”

But the administration recognizes some of the problems. Officials said they were tweaking the city’s housing finance programs to broaden the range of incomes eligible for affordable apartments. And the lottery website, which is in English, will soon be available in six more languages and will include a guidebook with more detailed explanations about income calculations and other guidelines.

Increased efficiency would also help developers, who are required to fill the affordable units at the same rate or faster than the market-rate apartments but spend months disqualifying thousands of applicants. In addition to income, they also look for applicants with preferential status — 5 percent of the affordable units are reserved for city employees and as many as half for residents already living in the community where the building will go up, which officials say helps preserve neighborhoods and entices municipal workers to stay in the city.

Developers said they had learned to start marketing the apartments early, sometimes years ahead.

“It’s somewhat like finding a needle in a haystack,” said Melissa R. Burch, executive vice president for development at Forest City Ratner Companies, which is preparing for the lottery of 2,250 affordable units at Pacific Park Brooklyn, formerly known as Atlantic Yards.

While many despair, some dreams come true. Oluwashina Alaka, 30, a restaurant chef and coffee distributor, recently moved from a studio into a $737-a-month, one-bedroom apartment in the same Dumbo building Ms. Lumford covets.

Mr. Alaka agreed that the paperwork was daunting enough to make many people give up, but he advised persistence as the best way to improve one’s chances.

“A lot of people eliminate themselves,” he said. “To me, patience saved me 75 percent of my rent.”

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One of my best friends won an apartment through that building's lottery but lost out due to her poor credit score. The use of credit as a qualification eliminates many people who would otherwise be eligible.

here for dis.

  

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soulpsychodelicyde
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23. "Thanks for this."
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Folks in here grossly overstating how easy it is to get one of these apartments.

  

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28. "Yo, how mad would you be if you missed great housing well below"
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market, because you took on a few additional hours a year?

Losing that housing is going to cost her way more than the extra 3k she picked up.


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30. "as mad as I was that I didn't qualify for food stamps"
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while I was unemployed thanks to the additional $25 per week that Obama had added into UE benefits at the time.
That extra $100 a month was not worth being ineligible for that shit.

here for dis.

  

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21. "that guy seems even more hated than Obama"
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maybe it's since i'm not in NY so the only time i hear about him is when people are bitching

>How do folks think DeBlasio is doing?

  

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26. "Imagine an Obama that no one loves."
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27. "yea kinda bugged seeing deblasio at the NAN presser shouting out"
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the s carolina police chief for standing up for justice and all that


and eric garners widow looking like WTF


unless he can really do something abt the cops, the MTA hikes, or the housing, i dont think anybody is getting excited abt him



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31. "Also, a bit douchey for DeBlasio to not endorse Clinton yet. "
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I am not a big Clinton fan, but she made his career and he was using her up until his election. To not return the favor seems disloyal and opportunist.


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