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"Going Clear: Scientology (HBO)"


          

debuting right now. Definitely a worthwhile watch.

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RE: Going Clear: Scientology (HBO)
Mar 29th 2015
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This shit is cray!
Mar 29th 2015
2
Shit was just sad
Mar 29th 2015
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RE: Going Clear: Scientology (HBO)
Mar 30th 2015
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RE: Going Clear: Scientology (HBO)
Mar 30th 2015
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Chicanerous and profane. (c) Mr. Garvey
Mar 30th 2015
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16 Shocking Allegations In Scientology Documentary 'Going Clear'
Mar 30th 2015
7
damn. is HBO not skurred of COS??
Mar 30th 2015
8
HBO lawyered all the way the fuck up for this doc
Mar 30th 2015
12
      damn! LOL
Mar 30th 2015
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      First line of this WaPost article
Mar 30th 2015
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           CNN headline story
Mar 30th 2015
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      Wow! That's like a whole friggin' firm for one documentary!
Mar 30th 2015
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      lol, wow!
Mar 30th 2015
27
These details sound just like stuff I've read in other stories...
Mar 30th 2015
9
those mofos run downtown clearwater...it's sickening
Mar 30th 2015
23
I knew most of those beforehand, but it was still creepy as fuck to watc...
Mar 30th 2015
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yup.
Mar 30th 2015
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RE #15...
Mar 31st 2015
45
How does this shit still exist?
Mar 30th 2015
10
I say this about christianity all the time
Mar 31st 2015
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      Except the only time Jesus threw folks in the water was for baptism
Apr 01st 2015
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      one cult of deluded people vs another *shrug*
Apr 02nd 2015
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      They can't draw the connection. Very telling of their thought process
Apr 02nd 2015
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           cognitive dissonance. it's like what Fanon said about race
Apr 06th 2015
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david miscavige is a devil
Mar 30th 2015
11
The one thing I wish it addressed was Miscaviage's missing wife
Mar 30th 2015
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I think that's part of why Leah Remini left COS
Mar 30th 2015
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yeah, it is a part of the reason Remini left. On the low, I find scient...
Mar 30th 2015
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Yeah thats wild
Mar 30th 2015
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that Tom Cruise...lawd. And JT interview..space cadet
Mar 30th 2015
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couple things that stuck out to me:
Mar 30th 2015
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i want to know why the Nation of Islam is practicing Auditing
Mar 30th 2015
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Can you say more about this
Mar 30th 2015
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it's a similarly situated (and perverted) "faith"
Mar 30th 2015
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*blink*
Mar 30th 2015
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some people believe hes been bought
Mar 31st 2015
40
The Nation and the Scientologists been cozy for a minute
Mar 31st 2015
44
Chile. . . .n/m
Mar 31st 2015
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man, listen.
Apr 04th 2015
87
those award ceremonies are something else
Mar 30th 2015
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those sets are ridiculous
Mar 30th 2015
36
it looks like Nazi propaganda rallies from Triumph of the Will
Apr 04th 2015
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I'm only 25 minutes in and I'm stuck
Mar 30th 2015
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There will always be people seeking "answers"/help
Mar 31st 2015
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      Yeah, but I think it has more to do with the historic time
Mar 31st 2015
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           Well, there was a strong religious revival in the '50s...
Apr 01st 2015
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SMH
Mar 30th 2015
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at what part did they lose you?
Mar 30th 2015
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at L. Ron Hubbard
Mar 31st 2015
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^^^ now THATS funny
Mar 30th 2015
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So HBO could take on COS but the IRS couldnt?
Mar 30th 2015
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HBO isn't trying to collect $1 billion from COS
Mar 31st 2015
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It's like Tom Cruise is in a real life sci fi movie. #TooMeta
Mar 31st 2015
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Those award ceremonies.
Mar 31st 2015
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miscavige's american psycho swag is impeccable
Mar 31st 2015
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RE: miscavige's american psycho swag is impeccable
Mar 31st 2015
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3 POINTS
Mar 31st 2015
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RE: 2 POINTS
Mar 31st 2015
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#1: absolutely not.
Mar 31st 2015
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I found this interesting too.
Apr 01st 2015
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      I'm guess there are certain things that their lawyers...
Apr 01st 2015
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           Word.
Apr 01st 2015
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I vaguely remembered O.C. shouting Hubbard out on a record
Mar 31st 2015
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The Dianetics commercial was a great marketing tool
Apr 04th 2015
84
L. Ron was a mack tho
Mar 31st 2015
53
I cracked up at the Death conference, tho.
Apr 02nd 2015
68
Just saw this doc.
Mar 31st 2015
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Yo, is Will Smith one of them?
Apr 01st 2015
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RE: Yo, is Will Smith one of them?
Apr 01st 2015
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will smith, yes.
Apr 02nd 2015
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RE: will smith, yes.
Apr 02nd 2015
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fyi l ron. wrote battlefield earth
Apr 02nd 2015
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my question was why did Paul Haggis leave after he got that
Apr 02nd 2015
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he seemed to be wondering the same thing
Apr 06th 2015
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Great Doc. pieced together a lot of the info I heard of the yrs
Apr 02nd 2015
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I strongly reccomend you read the book this is based on
Apr 02nd 2015
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more insight?
Apr 02nd 2015
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fuck yes
Apr 02nd 2015
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      haha. word
Apr 02nd 2015
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           A guy drove a convertible through a chain link fence to escape the hole
Apr 03rd 2015
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                This shit is so fucking creepy and appalling.
Apr 03rd 2015
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                yup - and really this is the only a fraction of the planetary occult mag...
Apr 03rd 2015
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                     wait, what?
Apr 05th 2015
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                          lol this is cute, following me around on the boards.
Apr 05th 2015
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                               lol u have 59k posts, if I randomly replied to posts around the boards
Apr 06th 2015
108
                                    and you just upped the post again? I'm touched.
Apr 06th 2015
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                                         u mean last nite? post was already up, good to see u checking for me tho
Apr 06th 2015
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the doc is basically a powerpoint presentation of the book
Apr 03rd 2015
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I have the book. I've sen the doc. I'm not dissing the doc or anything.
Apr 03rd 2015
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There are cult-like branches of christianity
Apr 04th 2015
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      Word? I totally didn't know that. Meanwhile, Scientology isn't the spin...
Apr 05th 2015
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           You obviously aren't really aware.
Apr 05th 2015
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                You obviously didn't read the first fucking sentence I wrote in my post....
Apr 05th 2015
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                     I think we have a misunderstanding.
Apr 06th 2015
114
                          Well you weren't very aware, lol.
Apr 06th 2015
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I'm interested to know more about this.
Apr 03rd 2015
80
lol I think I'll pass
Apr 06th 2015
112
Wow. How in the world do people fall for the mojo of L. R. Hubbard?
Apr 04th 2015
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same way they fall for T.D. Fakes and Creflo Dollar Dollar Bill Y'all ?
Apr 05th 2015
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      lol
Apr 05th 2015
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      Talking to you would be so much fun, only if -
Apr 05th 2015
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           http://www.singledudetravel.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/fingers-in-ea...
Apr 05th 2015
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People clown that Xenu stuff, but from clear mind is it that crazy...
Apr 04th 2015
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If you mock Scientology but you are yourself religious?
Apr 04th 2015
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Nah. There are definitely levels to this
Apr 05th 2015
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Scientology raping kids?
Apr 05th 2015
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      Don't get me wrong. There's plenty of sin to go around.
Apr 05th 2015
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bruh, they refuse to look in THAT mirror
Apr 05th 2015
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How do you rationalize this line of thinking?
Apr 05th 2015
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I think it's crazy because his story is full of ridiculous
Apr 05th 2015
102
billions just spent a month and a half memorializing a zombie.
Apr 06th 2015
110
      Jesus is not a zombie. He's a revenant. Or a lich.
Apr 06th 2015
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           he also encourages flesh eating.
Apr 06th 2015
121
'religions like a gang i guess.' - Oddisee
Apr 04th 2015
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I felt crazy and scared watching that shit lol
Apr 04th 2015
90
yo if they promise me a swagged out highlight video like Cruise got
Apr 05th 2015
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if yall want to read more check out this forum post
Apr 05th 2015
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Scientology: The Power of Caucasia
Apr 06th 2015
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Thats the wildest part imo
Apr 06th 2015
113
When they were showing up harassing dude's wife/child...
Apr 06th 2015
111

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1. "RE: Going Clear: Scientology (HBO)"
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I live like 2 blocks away from the Hollywood center (not celeb) and too see these like 75 yr olds trooping over there everyday in uniforms is just some sad shit

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2. "This shit is cray!"
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3. "Shit was just sad "
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I usually say that i can't judge anyone by how they find peace but this right here is straight up stupid/sad/painful/unfortunate/nothingpositive.

it's like the catholic church back in the day without the wars and violence

  

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4. "RE: Going Clear: Scientology (HBO)"
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Batshit crazy... Operation Freakout, Operation Dynamite, Operation Snow white. COS needs to be disbanded and its leadership jailed.. I always felt those fuckers were blackmailing famous people and here it is.. SMMFH

  

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5. "RE: Going Clear: Scientology (HBO)"
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It sounded like most organized religions to me. I found a lot of it very funny especially the bill maher interview with the wives from the hole. Poor John Travolta.

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6. "Chicanerous and profane. (c) Mr. Garvey"
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Da bayball, babeh. (c) Charlie Kelly.

  

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7. "16 Shocking Allegations In Scientology Documentary 'Going Clear'"
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/03/29/scientology-doc-going-clear_n_6939318.html

The Church of Scientology has long been a controversial institution among both the religious community and entertainment business. But the latest documentary from Oscar-winning director Alex Gibney, "Going Clear: Scientology and the Prison of Belief," explores the secrets of the organization through interviews with former high-ranking officials and former members in a way never seen before.

Based on the 2013 book of the same name by Lawrence Wright, "Going Clear" not only exposes details about Scientology but also serves as an in-depth explainer for those unfamiliar with the group. The Church has spoken out against the film (read their full statement here) as have its celebrity members. But whether you've studied Scientology closely or merely know it as "the religion with Tom Cruise," watching "Going Clear" is a powerful, stunning and emotionally overwhelming experience that will likely leave you with your mouth agape. Here are the most shocking allegations put forth in "Going Clear," which made its HBO debut on Sunday night:

1. L. Ron Hubbard's Scientology creation story
When Scientologists reach level OT III, they are shown the "secret materials," as director and former member Paul Haggis described them: Hubbard's hand-written account of the creation myth. According to this, 75 million years ago a galactic dictator named Xenu froze people and dropped their bodies into volcanoes. From there, the disembodied spirits, or thetans, apparently jumped into newborns bodies. According to Hubbard, these multiple thetans crowded in our bodies are the source of our anxieties and fears.


2. Hubbard spent time in a black magic cult
Before founding Scientology, Hubbard befriended rocket and chemical engineer Jack Parsons who was a part of black magic cult Ordo Templi Orientis (OTO), which followed the teachings of Aleister Crowley. According to "Going Clear," Hubbard became Parsons scribe and assistant on a magical operation to impregnate a goddess-like woman to create the anti-Christ.

3. Members were allegedly thrown overboard as punishment
Hubbard created Ethics, or punishments for his auditors who made mistakes during sessions. They were then pushed overboard on his ships into the water, which was "30 feet, 35 feet" below, according to Hana Whitfield, one of the original Sea Org members.

4. Hubbard told his second wife he murdered their daughter
When Sara Northup, Hubbard's second wife, threatened to leave him unless he got psychiatric help, he reportedly kidnapped their daughter Alexis. According to written accounts from Northup, Hubbard told her he "cut into little pieces" and dropped her in a river. Then he would call back and tell Sara that their daughter was alive.

5. There was a Scientology "prison camp"
Former Church member Sylvia "Spanky" Taylor, who was once the liaison between the Church and John Travolta, was sent to the Rehabilitation Project Force (RPF), or what she described as the "prison camp where you'd go for re-indoctrination." According to the film, when sent to the RPF, people would have to do hard labor for "30 hours on, 3 hours off," eat table scraps and sleep on dirty, wet mattresses.

6. The FBI raid on the Church was the biggest in history at the time
On July 8, 1977, the FBI raided Scientology's Los Angeles, Hollywood and Washington, D.C. locations, which at the time was the bureau's biggest raid ever.

7. The Church stole government documents
According to the film, in the '70s, many Scientologists were directed to get jobs in Department of Justice and IRS offices in order to steal documents against or relating to the Church.

8. The Church apparently has a blackmail folder on John Travolta
According to Wright in the film, when there were rumors of Travolta wanting to leave Scientology, the Church created a "black PR package" that has "all the damaging material" from his private auditing sessions. Travolta also reportedly refused to have his sessions video taped, but secret cameras were hidden anyway.

9. The Church investigated the IRS
One of the Church's goals was to be recognized by the IRS as a fully tax-exempt religion, according to former senior executive of the Church Mark "Marty" Rathbun. Thousands of Scientologists reportedly filed 2,400 total lawsuits against IRS employees, and private investigators were sent to IRS conventions to obtain information. According to journalist Tony Ortega, Scientology leader David Miscavige told the IRS commissioner that the lawsuits would go away if the Church was given tax-exempt status. The Church was granted exemption in October 1993.

10. Tom Cruise and the Church allegedly wire-tapped Nicole Kidman's phone
According to the film, the Church noticed Tom Cruise slipping away from Scientology during his marriage to Nicole Kidman. Cruise reportedly said he wanted to have Kidman's phone wiretapped, which the Church did at his request.

11. Cruise may have had employees pimp his cars for 40 cents an hour
Sea Org members make 40 cents an hour, according to Ortega, who says, "I don't think there's any way Tom Cruise is not aware of that." According to the film, they have "tricked out his cars and motorcycles" and hanger in Santa Monica, California, and installed the audiovisual equipment at his home.

12. The Church supposedly found Cruise a new girlfriend
According to Wright, Cruise was "overheard to complain that he needed a new girlfriend" when he was in Spain at the opening of a new Scientology center. The Church then found a young Scientologist, Nazanin Boniadi, and reportedly had her braces removed, bought her $20,000 of clothes and colored her hair "to Cruise's liking." She was then told she would be Cruise' girlfriend, but the relationship soon ended. Boniadi apparently signed a non-disclosure agreement with the Church and has since become a well-known actress in "Homeland," "Iron Man," among other films and shows.

13. Paul Haggis left because of the the Church's homophobic stance
Oscar-winning filmmaker Paul Haggis ("Crash," "Casino Royale") left Scientology in 2009 after 30 years when his two gay daughters told him how they were being treated and harassed by the Church. According to Church doctrines, the religion views homosexuality as a disease. Haggis then wrote a now-famous letter of his resignation from the Church.

14. Scientology's book value is about $1.5 billion
Ortega obtained recent tax records that revealed the main three tiers of the Church (which is a non-profit organization) have a combined book value of $1.5 billion.

15. Sea Org members were allegedly tortured to the sounds of Queen's "Bohemian Rhapsody"
In 2004, Miscaviage apparently ordered the top members of the Sea Org to live in what was known as The Hole in the Chuch's secret Gold Base in California. In the film, former members say they were told to confess their crimes against the Church in order to leave The Hole. Beyond beatings and one man being ordered to "mop up the bathroom floor with his tongue," another method of abuse was when members were forced to play musical chairs to "Bohemian Rhapsody." Those participating were "fighting to stay" in the Church: whoever didn't have a seat when the music stopped was expelled from the Church.

16. If members leave the Church their friends & family are forced to "disconnect"
The biggest reason to not leave the Church for many Scientologists is fear of "disconnection." This is when all friends and family members still with the Church are told to cut ties with those who leave, or those deemed Potential Trouble Sources (PTS), or Suppressive Persons (SPs). Many former members included in the film haven't seen or spoken to their family or friends since they left.

"Going Clear: Scientology and the Prison of Belief" airs again on Monday, March 30 at 9:00 p.m. ET on HBO.

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8. "damn. is HBO not skurred of COS??"
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i figured the doc wouldn't _really_ go all in b/c HBO would be skurred as it has too much to lose since the network might want to work w/Scientologists in the future.

but maybe not? or are these revelations not very controversial or som'n?

fuck you.

  

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12. "HBO lawyered all the way the fuck up for this doc"
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there are reports that they hired 160 lawyers in preparation for its release.

I think it's a much needed documentary. That "religion" needed to be exposed.

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15. "damn! LOL"
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fuck you.

  

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17. "First line of this WaPost article"
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/style-blog/wp/2015/03/30/how-scientology-controls-john-travolta-and-tom-cruise-according-to-going-clear/

"HBO hired 160 lawyers when the network decided to air “Going Clear: Scientology and the Prison of Belief,” the two-hour documentary based on Lawrence Wright’s book."

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18. "CNN headline story"
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http://www.cnn.com/2014/11/25/showbiz/movies/going-clear-hbo-movie-lawyers/


smart move from HBO if this is true. b/c COS is notoriously litigious and it is likely to go after HBO w/libel and/or slander action.

fuck you.

  

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21. "Wow! That's like a whole friggin' firm for one documentary!"
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9. "These details sound just like stuff I've read in other stories..."
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I didn't watch the documentary but the Tampa Bay Times has a long running investigation into the COS (they have a big headquarters here in Clearwater). A lot of the stuff described in this list fits right into stuff I've read in their stories.

Here's the link to their previous reports.

http://www.tampabay.com/topics/specials/scientology.page

They have a little book store/info center not far from us and I've been mad tempted to just stop in and see exactly how crazy they sound.

  

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23. "those mofos run downtown clearwater...it's sickening"
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> I didn't watch the documentary but the Tampa Bay Times has a
>long running investigation into the COS (they have a big
>headquarters here in Clearwater). A lot of the stuff described
>in this list fits right into stuff I've read in their
>stories.

  

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19. "I knew most of those beforehand, but it was still creepy as fuck to watc..."
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Shoot, both "South Park" and Bill Maher told the "Scientology" origin story straight and played it for laughs, but in the doc, it really comes across how fucking insane the whole thing was. Especially with the revelation that Hubbard at one point acknowledged that he was likely suffering from mental illness in a letter to the Navy, but never received any help.

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20. "yup."
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fuck you.

  

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i thought it was the opposite way. that the people who DID get seats were going to be expelled and the one who didn't could stay and it was odd to me because its like...how do you fight for not having a seat?

  

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10. "How does this shit still exist? "
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52. "I say this about christianity all the time"
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61. "Except the only time Jesus threw folks in the water was for baptism"
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so there's that.

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64. "one cult of deluded people vs another *shrug*"
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67. "They can't draw the connection. Very telling of their thought process"
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and proud of it too lol

  

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119. "cognitive dissonance. it's like what Fanon said about race"
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11. "david miscavige is a devil"
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13. "The one thing I wish it addressed was Miscaviage's missing wife"
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apparently no one has seen her since 2007.

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14. "I think that's part of why Leah Remini left COS"
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She was continually asking about the whereabouts of the wife (who was her friend). She popped up after Remini filed a missing persons report. But it looks like she disappeared again after that.

http://www.bustle.com/articles/72106-where-is-shelly-miscavige-wife-of-scientology-leader-david-miscavige-she-hasnt-been-seen-in-7

These people are a whole new level of insane.

  

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16. "yeah, it is a part of the reason Remini left. On the low, I find scient..."
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fascinating but more because I'm intrigued by cults in general. I find fundamental mormonism fascinating for the same reasons. How do you just turn a blind eye to shit like that.

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32. "Yeah thats wild"
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22. "that Tom Cruise...lawd. And JT interview..space cadet"
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24. "couple things that stuck out to me:"
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1.) Scientology's root mysticism was rooted out of the OTO Crowley black magic tradition, and the "OT8" as the highest level of a scientologist is in direct reflection to the OTO etymology sorcery. Hubbard and Parsons engaged in wild sex rituals (masturbating on a tabernacle together) as Crowley would invoke Aiwass (a 4th dimensional grey prototype that was the only entity that responded to Crowley's rites/chants/mantras). It's a disastrous start to Hubbard's Scientologist foundation and should be called out for what it is.

2.) I believe that Tom Cruise is basically been blackmailed by the Church and probably has a ton of secrets that they threaten to release to the public if he ever defects or speaks out agains them.

3.) The IRS is some punk-ass cowards. You're paying taxes but this crooked, illegal, spiritually bankrupt business is not. And you should be pissed.

  

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25. "i want to know why the Nation of Islam is practicing Auditing"
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Having Dianetics seminars during Saviours' Day Conferences and all.

  

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30. "Can you say more about this"
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I know they both have spaceships and aliens in their mythology but did the scientology get in the mix?
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31. "it's a similarly situated (and perverted) "faith""
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there's a reason why the "leaders" of both Scientology and NOI (Hubbard/Elijah)
often displayed morally questionable (euphemism) behavior by sexually taking advantage
of young women, which in some instances, was pedophilic in nature. But that would of course make sense once you realize the origins of these systems: systems crafted by men who sought power, were flooded with lust and false-messianic epistemology, and did whatever they had to to do in order to manipulate the current by practicing wobbled magic that leaves a ripple effect of lunacy to everything that touches it.

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33. "*blink*"
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40. "some people believe hes been bought"
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http://www.theblogmocracy.com/2013/08/29/an-unholy-alliance-scientology-purchases-nation-of-islam-for-2-3-million-plus-a-cut/

  

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44. "The Nation and the Scientologists been cozy for a minute"
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it's Farrakhan's "jump the shark" moment....but considering there is no de facto next in line with anywhere NEAR his charisma and he's operating on a short time line as it is....it falls in perfect line with Charlatan Law.

Don't get me wrong....I have MUCH respect for the lives Farrakhan has helped....but let's not pretend like the Nation is an actual religion. The biggest benefit I see from the Nation is that it introduces his followers to the Qu'ran and that can be a bridge to WHEREVER. Fuck that Message to the Blackman shit tho

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46. "Chile. . . .n/m"
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87. "man, listen."
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www.royallegacy.org

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26. "those award ceremonies are something else"
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i remember seeing that Tom Cruise freedom medal of valour (lol) clip a few years back, but those ceremonies look like something out of a Running Man type movie, with Miscavige looking like an evil game show host.

  

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36. "those sets are ridiculous"
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like something out of a final fantasy throne room

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85. "it looks like Nazi propaganda rallies from Triumph of the Will"
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___________________

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28. "I'm only 25 minutes in and I'm stuck"
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How did COS get people to cough up $500 in the 1950s? What kind of marketing/subliminal wizardry did they use?

I don't understand how COS first got off the ground.

  

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41. "There will always be people seeking "answers"/help"
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It's about knowing how to appeal to those type of people and collect as much money as possible in as short a time as possible.

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48. "Yeah, but I think it has more to do with the historic time"
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>It's about knowing how to appeal to those type of people and
>collect as much money as possible in as short a time as
>possible.

I don't know much about history, but perhaps people during this time were just ready to believe into something new/different. And maybe there wasn't enough alternative solutions. I'm just shocked how easily they were brainwashed.

  

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60. "Well, there was a strong religious revival in the '50s..."
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But also remember that "Dianetics" wasn't explicitly marketed as religion, but self-help. There has been and always will be a market for self-help.

And it's not about people being brain-washed "easily"; it's a long process. Many people buy "Dianetics" and don't follow through. It's all about finding the people who are willing to pay even more money and play and then play the long game.

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29. "SMH"
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34. "at what part did they lose you?"
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47. "at L. Ron Hubbard "
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35. "^^^ now THATS funny"
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37. "So HBO could take on COS but the IRS couldnt?"
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39. "HBO isn't trying to collect $1 billion from COS"
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I imagine COS is still going to sue, slander, and libel HBO, but IRS was looking to directly bankrupt the organization. This documentary is just gonna make them look bad.

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38. "It's like Tom Cruise is in a real life sci fi movie. #TooMeta"
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42. "Those award ceremonies."
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43. "miscavige's american psycho swag is impeccable"
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yo this nightline interview tho
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZSjVOXAb8U

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54. "RE: miscavige's american psycho swag is impeccable"
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sees it^^^^^^^^^

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49. "3 POINTS"
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1) Anyone think Ron Hubbard was held captive and was probably murdered by inside members? Maybe he had a heart and didn't believe any of that stuff anymore and wanted to rescue others? Maybe he went into full lunacy and certain members hid him away?

2) Its INSANE how the COS is not upfront about their beliefs. What other religion is like that? So in order to learn more about the religion it takes years, money, and auditing? I thought all that crazy volcano concept was stuff they believed on day one. That's why I couldn't take them seriously. But NO!!! It took them 8 years and higher levels to find out about that. Yooooooooooooooooooooo!!!

3) Tom Cruises involvement is too interesting. When watching the part about "Eyes Wide Shut" it sounded like Tom was taking shots at the COS. And during the doc, Tom's laughter and smiles looked sooo forced/fake . . . like he was improperly nursing his inner issues. And I found it funny how Kate Holmes wasn't mentioned.

  

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50. "RE: 2 POINTS"
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>2) Its INSANE how the COS is not upfront about their beliefs.
>What other religion is like that? So in order to learn more
>about the religion it takes years, money, and auditing? I
>thought all that crazy volcano concept was stuff they believed
>on day one. That's why I couldn't take them seriously. But
>NO!!! It took them 8 years and higher levels to find out about
>that. Yooooooooooooooooooooo!!!
>


lol

  

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55. "#1: absolutely not. "
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57. "I found this interesting too."
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>And I found it funny how Kate Holmes
>wasn't mentioned.

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58. "I'm guess there are certain things that their lawyers..."
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...told them they couldn't touch for fear of libel/slander lawsuits. Or that they wanted to talk about, but couldn't get corroboration. I figure Katie Holmes and Miscivage's disappearing wife fall into that category.

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59. "Word."
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I'm just starting to read up about this clown's missing wife now. How atrocious. This guy needs to be taken out. He is a dangerous human.

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51. "I vaguely remembered O.C. shouting Hubbard out on a record"
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I googled and it's on the Far From Yours single:

be the chosen one, beyond the Moet and Cristal
A son of King and a Queen, therefore ability for song run in my genetics
I gave ideas to L. Ron Hubbard to write books on Dianetics

I think Keith Murray was on some shit along those lines too, who can forget The Infamous "crazy space shit that don't make any sense" dis





  

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84. "The Dianetics commercial was a great marketing tool"
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I always wondered what it was about because it used to air all the fucking time back in the late 80's or early 90's.

1988 - Commercial - Dianetics by L. Ron Hubbard - America finds it at Wa...: https://youtu.be/cIIazHbErhc

  

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53. "L. Ron was a mack tho"
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On some "don't leave yo bish round me" shit. L. Ron Hubbard already sounds like a pimp name.

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68. "I cracked up at the Death conference, tho."
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How you try to put a spin on that?

"He went to continue reading and writing... without his body. It was really just slowin him down."


*mutombo facepalm*

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56. "Just saw this doc."
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In my opinion, Hubbard was a C.I.A thought experiment gone wild. He exhibited the same qualities as the others.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_MKUltra

I think the reason why it's allowed to go on is because of the revenue it creates.

~Experience is the currency of the soul.

  

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62. "Yo, is Will Smith one of them?"
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And Kanye too? It seems that whoever Tom Cruise comes into contact with, he tries to convert. I've heard that Will is one and that shitty movie, I forget the name, had elements based in Scientology. Kind of like how John Travolta's shitty movie, "Battlefield Earth" supposedly had elements of Scientology.

That whole NOI and Scientology link is surprising as hell (...if it's true). I never thought Farrakhan would ever go for it. Hell....Jay-Z, Rihanna, Kanye, etc. are not Illuminati, they are all Scientologists. lol

  

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63. "RE: Yo, is Will Smith one of them?"
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>....Jay-Z, Rihanna, Kanye, etc. are not
>Illuminati, they are all Scientologists. lol


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65. "will smith, yes."
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jay-z, kanye and rihanna, no.

kinda weird how beck's one though, and the woman who does bart simpson's voice

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71. "RE: will smith, yes."
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Nope...

Ex Scientologist and fixer says Will ain't on that Xenu



FOR THE LOVE OF XENU
03.04.15
Former Scientology Senior Executive: ‘Will Smith Is Not a Scientologist’

link: http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/03/04/former-scientology-senior-executive-will-smith-is-not-a-scientologist.html#


We sat down with ex-Church of Scientology fixer and senior executive Mike Rinder and Scientology expert Tony Ortega, who claim that the rumors about Will Smith are false.

For years, there’s been rampant speculation that Will Smith, the blockbuster star of alien-themed films like Independence Day, Men in Black, and After Earth, was a card-carrying member of the Church of Scientology.

It’s inescapable. When Smith’s teenage children, Jaden and Willow, gave an out-there interview to The Guardian and claimed they could control time, several gossip rags were quick to point to their dad’s alleged “Scientology-supporting” beliefs as a possible reason for his kids’ unique perspective on the world. There have been tabloid reports that Will Smith’s former business partner, James Lassiter, allegedly warned the Fresh Prince about not letting Scientology “get in the way” of his career; Scientology defector Jason Beghe said Smith was “supposedly dabbling in Scientology,” and a former principal at Will and Jada Smith’s school, New Village Academy in Calabasas, California, claimed that the curriculum was “100 percent” Scientology-focused. Hell, The Hollywood Reporter even got an ex-Scientologist to review Smith’s colossal bomb, After Earth, over its alleged Scientology themes.

The link, it seems, originates from Smith’s close friendship with Scientology’s most famous face, Tom Cruise.

“They have not attracted a major star in 25 years. The only young Scientologists on the celebrity scene were all born into it. Beck was born into it. Giovanni Ribisi was born into it.”

“I was introduced to Scientology through Tom, and I’m a student of world religion,” Smith told Access Hollywood in 2007. “I was raised in a Baptist household and went to a Catholic school, but the ideas of the Bible are 98 percent the same ideas as Scientology; 98 percent the same ideas as Buddhism or Hinduism.”

Smith added, “How you gon’ not know nothing about Scientology and attack Tom ? It’s dangerous, and it’s ignorant. How am I going to condemn someone for what they believe and I believe God was born from a pregnant virgin?”

We sat down with ex-Church of Scientology fixer and senior executive Mike Rinder and Scientology expert Tony Ortega, who claim that the rumors about Will Smith are false.

Well, according to Scientology’s former fixer/senior executive and the most knowledgeable Scientology-covering journalist, Smith is not a Scientologist.

The Daily Beast sat down with Mike Rinder and Tony Ortega, two of the subjects of Alex Gibney’s eye-opening HBO documentary-exposé, Going Clear: Scientology and the Prison of Belief, in theaters March 13 (and premiering on HBO March 29). Rinder was a second-generation Scientologist who was shipped off to Sea Org at the age of 6. Later, from 1982 to 2007, he served on the board of directors of Church of Scientology International and was their executive director of the Office of Special Affairs—essentially acting as one of their primary “fixers” responsible for putting out all manner of legal and PR fires. He left Scientology in 2007 after a dispute with its draconian chief, David Miscavige. Ortega is a journalist who’s been covering Scientology since 1995 and nailed several scoops while at The Village Voice. He started The Underground Bunker blog, which focuses on Scientology coverage, and is the executive editor of The Raw Story website.

When asked if Smith was a Scientologist, they both responded in unison: “Will Smith is not a Scientologist.” (Smith's representatives refused to comment.)

Ortega expanded a bit. “There’s not that many celebrities in Scientology, and the young ones were born into it, and the other ones people cite—Cruise, Travolta, and Kirstie Alley—got into it in the ’70s and ’80s. They have not attracted a major star in 25 years. The only young Scientologists on the celebrity scene were all born into it. Beck was born into it. Giovanni Ribisi was born into it.”

For years, Rinder was tasked with putting out many of the PR fires pertaining to acclaimed Scientologist John Travolta, basically acting as the Church of Scientology’s resident Olivia Pope (when I make the comparison, he laughs). When asked why so many celebrities have been drawn to the mysterious “religion” over the years, he pauses.

“Scientology works to attract celebrities and has a Celebrity Center right in Hollywood designed to cater to them and give them special treatment—red carpet, secret entrances where you can sneak in and out—and the other part of it is that Scientology presents itself as a self-help religion,” explains Rinder. “You learn and are indoctrinated into Scientology by the idea that you will improve things in your life.”


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69. "fyi l ron. wrote battlefield earth"
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kinda makes sense for it to incorporate things he believed in.

  

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66. "my question was why did Paul Haggis leave after he got that "
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briefcase with that crazy ass Xenu opera story in it? I woulda been like 'nigga is you crazy?"

One of my H.S. classmates is a Scientologist. He was/is highly intelligent so I can see how he believes in that shit. But he is highly successful. Dude is my age (36) and is retired. Dude worked at The White House and shit straight out of undergrad. Dude is also openly gay.

  

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116. "he seemed to be wondering the same thing"
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i guess he felt it was already such a big part of who he was that he found ways to justify it.

  

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70. "Great Doc. pieced together a lot of the info I heard of the yrs"
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Travolta and Cruise are a trip

BUT PALE in comparison to LRH and Muscaviege (sp?)

and man, those ex wives (on Anderson Cooper) of the men who where speaking in the doc, shit. how would y'all feel about that type of erasure... yikes. also the mom talkin about her daughter made the choice to "disassociate". ouch

power and greed are a muthafucker, pple just want something to latch onto

  

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72. "I strongly reccomend you read the book this is based on"
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73. "more insight?"
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74. "fuck yes"
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and that's only based on all the shit I heard from my co-worker who actually read it

  

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75. "haha. word"
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i don't for my own interest I need to go deeper, but if there is deeper, jeez

i wonder if John and Tom are shamed out of the org as this and the other one coming down the pike get more shine. I mean most of my friends on FB are talking about it since it dropped

  

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76. "A guy drove a convertible through a chain link fence to escape the hole"
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Miscaviage gave his dog a commanding rank and demands people salute the dog.

Hubbard had a penchant for young girls as his personal servants on his ships. Hubbard lied about pretty much everything at every turn at all times. His "magic" phase was extensive and include a story of Hubbard conjuring a red haired goddess at his doorstep during a session. Much of this "magic" was sexual in nature.

Sea Org members had to get permission to have children. Abortions were mandatory for those who violated the mandate.

Hubbard teaches that anyone who leaves the church does so in order to protect the church from their own suppressive thoughts and deeds. People are instructed to remain in the bubble of scientology and the church uploads software to members computers to catch and block key words related to the church. Even then, any media that isn't church sanctioned is frowned upon. If you're doing something that is frowned upon, expect to wind up in the hole.

When people leave the church and wish to do so on good terms, a written confession of their "crimes" is required and if the "crimes" being confessed are insufficiently salacious, church leaders just make up something salacious.

Oh, and they basically murdered a woman named Lisa McPherson.

There's just so much information in the book, so many stories that the film either doesn't get to or briefly touches on. They did a bang up job with the doc but the book breaks it alllllll the way down. It's incredibly information dense and Wright is heavy on footnotes and clarification, so if there's a disputed version of a story he makes sure to include the disputed version. He's pretty even with the facts.

  

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79. "This shit is so fucking creepy and appalling."
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I don't want to read the book because I was homicidal just from seeing the documentary, but I can't stop reading about it online so maybe I should just read the book.

How is Miscavige still a living human. Someone needs to take him out.

>Hubbard had a penchant for young girls as his personal
>servants on his ships. Hubbard lied about pretty much
>everything at every turn at all times. His "magic" phase was
>extensive and include a story of Hubbard conjuring a red
>haired goddess at his doorstep during a session. Much of this
>"magic" was sexual in nature.

They called Hubbard the "commodore" too, which makes this whole thing sound eerily similar to Boardwalk Empire.

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81. "yup - and really this is the only a fraction of the planetary occult mag..."
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Many systems have been founded on occult ritual with magicians of various orders
calling mantra, working with geometry, and manipulating matter to various degrees
in order to birth a new system of thought/faith/worship etc....

What's great about this documentary and the deeper information on Hubbard and Scientology is that it gives us a very real insight into dark corners of the world.

Whereas many just dismiss this and say "oh all of that magic stuff isn't true - it's just hogwash" - what's relevant here is that people like Crowley, Parsons, and Hubbard did more than just "believe" in the OTO brand of magic - they openly practiced it and lived it, and they made a huge influence on the dimension with their work -- from jet propulsion inventions to spiritual technology, pop music to New Age epistemology - their work has its fingerprints in many areas of modern life. Crowley has had a major influence on artists from the Beatles to Jay-Z, and Hitler's paranormal division was founded in the aftermath of Crowley's experiences with the 4th dimension -- Hitler sent SS all the way through the north/south pole in search of Agrtha (core earth) which was revealed during Crowley's rituals.

So yes - masturbating on tabernacles while chanting mantras and believing that the anti-christ is going to be birthed from this red-headed scarlet woman is wild stuff to think about it - thus most just rebuke its validity altogether, but it's very real to those who practice it, and many of those people are in high positions of power within finance/banking/religious order/societal frameworks.

So we don't really have the luxury to pretend it doesn't exist.

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91. "wait, what?"
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>Many systems have been founded on occult ritual with
>magicians of various orders
>calling mantra, working with geometry, and manipulating matter
>to various degrees

to various degrees of what?


>Whereas many just dismiss this and say "oh all of that magic
>stuff isn't true - it's just hogwash" - what's relevant here
>is that people like Crowley, Parsons, and Hubbard did more
>than just "believe" in the OTO brand of magic - they openly
>practiced it and lived it, and they made a huge influence on
>the dimension with their work --

"the dimension"?


from jet propulsion
>inventions to spiritual technology, pop music to New Age

spiritual technology?


>was founded in the aftermath of Crowley's experiences with the
>4th dimension --

what?

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95. "lol this is cute, following me around on the boards."
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This subject matter is definitely above your head, 40thStreetWhite.

Stick to drinking and sports, breh.

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108. "lol u have 59k posts, if I randomly replied to posts around the boards "
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i'd have more replies to your posts than i do now.


>This subject matter is definitely above your head,

above where, in the 4th dimension?


>Stick to drinking and sports, breh.

well they're more intellectually stimulating pursuits than conversing with you, ox.

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115. "and you just upped the post again? I'm touched."
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120. "u mean last nite? post was already up, good to see u checking for me tho"
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77. "the doc is basically a powerpoint presentation of the book"
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it kind of skips over stuff like Miscavige's youth and hostile takeover of the Church

I loved how Miscagive's Mom would clown him at his own Gold Base and he couldn't do shit about it.

There's also stuff they had to skip over for legal reasons, like Katie Holmes and the missing wife.

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78. "I have the book. I've sen the doc. I'm not dissing the doc or anything. "
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Basically, I'm saying the doc is still just scratching the surface by comparison. I have two other books, including one by Miscavige's niece, and GC is the most detailed of the bunch.

I agree that the doc is like a power point of the book, which is why I recommend the book if b you really want a clear picture of just how batshit LRH , Miscavige, and the church really is. People keep trying to say it's no different from other religions but that's really not the case, at least not the way people seem to think.

  

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86. "There are cult-like branches of christianity "
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My ex was pretty deep into the Church of Christ. The entire time I was watching this doc I was drawing parallels to how they operate. And why people get caught up in it.

  

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92. "Word? I totally didn't know that. Meanwhile, Scientology isn't the spin..."
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Talking about insanely batshit sects of other religions vs the insanely batshit entirety of this religion are two completely different things.

I drew a grip of parallels to Christian churches I've experienced after reading Going Clear. Nobody sent me to a filthy double wide trailer with standing room only and table scraps for food and forced me into screaming "confessions" of "crimes" until whatever I confessed was salacious enough to be considered acceptable enough to allow me to stop.

Yes, there are similarities and certain practices that are common to religion in general and there are extreme sects of pretty much any religion. Scientology as a whole is still a significant departure from most mainstream religions.

  

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104. "You obviously aren't really aware."
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There are survivor groups all over the internet for cults like the COC. All of the same issues. Taking all your money, abuse (both physical and emotional), years of therapy and support needed afterwards, broken family bonds. It's alot more similar than you think.

I'm sitting here thinking.....can't come up with one distinction that would seperate scientology from something like the COC.

  

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107. "You obviously didn't read the first fucking sentence I wrote in my post...."
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>There are survivor groups all over the internet for cults
>like the COC. All of the same issues.

Where the fuck did I argue against this? Yeah.

Read my post again.

Yeah.

Didn't happen.

But while we're at it, survivor groups? Really? Yeah, ok. I suppose every one who drinks also goes to AA too. Every one is an alcoholic, right? Every church isn't whatever
Den of psychos your friend was in, no matter how badly you want that to be true.

Taking all your money,
>abuse (both physical and emotional), years of therapy and
>support needed afterwards, broken family bonds. It's alot
>more similar than you think.

Uh, no. Sorry. You're wrong. Because , you know, I acknowledged the existence of extreme sects while you keep pretending that "extreme" sects" and "mainstream" are the same fucking thing. Most church goers don't have the experience your friend had. Sorry, best of luck to her but you're on some bullshit here.

>I'm sitting here thinking.....can't come up with one
>distinction that would seperate scientology from something
>like the COC.

Yeah. Cool story. You totally educated me.

Except.... you're comparing apples to apple trees. You're obviously not very aware of anything beyond your friend and her experience and you're clearly so super duper eager to "educate" that you don't even read what your responding to.

  

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114. "I think we have a misunderstanding."
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When you said scientology is different from other religions.....I was trying to point out that it isn't different from certain extremist sects of other religions. I thought you were debating against that point.....but now I'm thinking we're in agreement.

Which kinda makes the whole thing confusing. What's the point in differentiating it from other religions when you can only do that by ignoring the extremist sects of said religions?

I'm sure there are 'moderate' scientologists too. Seems to me that Paul Haggis was one of them.

  

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117. "Well you weren't very aware, lol. "
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>Which kinda makes the whole thing confusing. What's the point
>in differentiating it from other religions when you can only
>do that by ignoring the extremist sects of said religions?

Because I'm comparing core policies and practices. I also grew up in Hemet and San Jacinto, where Gold Base is, and they used to recruit. I also heard a shot ton of rumors over the years about things that were confirmed by the books I've read.

That area is a bible belt and I grew up in Christian churches, two relatively liberal Lutheran churches and a more conservative, Pentacostal AG church heavy on prosperity doctrine. Even the foul shot I saw and put up with pales in comparison to a lot of the tamer Scientology stories I heard and ultimately read about.

Further, Scientology is much more centralized than Christian churches. While each denomination has a governing body, Scientology is much more tightly controlled and operated in house, so to speak. The whole of Scientology has much more in common with extreme sects of Christianity than most mainstream congregations. Hence, apples to apple trees.

Scientology= A rotten tree with a bunch if apples, a few of which are kept in the shade and can't see what's going on with the rest of the tree.

Extreme sect of Christianity= A rotten tree along the lines of the Scientology tree.

Christianity= apple tree orchard with varying types of trees and apples, some of which are along the lines of the aforementioned trees.

The makeup and operational style of Scientology doesn't really allow for the same sort of deviation as denominations of other religions.

>I'm sure there are 'moderate' scientologists too. Seems to me
>that Paul Haggis was one of them.

A few things: He's a celebrity. He was "moderate" because he wasn't really privy to the muck and mire of the majority of the church. A lot of the celebrities think this other shit is a myth because they're largely kept away from it (save for Cruise and his car fetish having, slave wage paying ass).

He was moderate because he was given nothing but the pie in the sky experience and had the monetary footing to pay for all that extra auditing without going broke in the process and it took the church taking a stance against something that affected him personally for him to bounce. If it weren't for his lesbian daughter, he'd probably still be there and he'd probably still be oblivious to the rest of what's going on.

  

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80. "I'm interested to know more about this."
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>I loved how Miscagive's Mom would clown him at his own Gold
>Base and he couldn't do shit about it.

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112. "lol I think I'll pass"
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normally I'm all up for reading source material. But that doc was a world of crazy I don't wanna dive into any further than I already have.

fuck that

  

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82. "Wow. How in the world do people fall for the mojo of L. R. Hubbard? "
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98. "lol"
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100. "Talking to you would be so much fun, only if -"
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you actually knew what you were talking about.

Still, I know that you are conflicted on the inside regarding God and you hate that fact because you are realizing that you need Him. So all you can do is lash out at others as a means to cope and put on a front. But you know and you feel His presence. You're going to make a good Minister of the Gospel one day.


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106. "http://www.singledudetravel.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/fingers-in-ea..."
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http://www.singledudetravel.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/fingers-in-ears.jpg

  

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83. "People clown that Xenu stuff, but from clear mind is it that crazy..."
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Relative to other creation stories?

If you ran up on some untouched tribe in the Amazon and told them the Xenu story and the Bible/Quran story, would either one be believable?
One more believable than the other?

I grew up pretty much unexposed to religion, I look at people espousing Genesis the same way they look at people talking about Xenu

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89. "If you mock Scientology but you are yourself religious?"
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Then you're just dumb and don't see it. YOUR shit is just as silly as theirs, just older. It's all bullshit designed to con you and make you suspend your rationality.

  

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93. "Nah. There are definitely levels to this"
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It's not so much the believer as the practices and policies of the religion.

It's way more batshit to stalk people, film them, and attempt a smear campaign against people who have left a religion than it is to, well, not do that. When I left my church years ago, people passed judgment and that was that. People leave scientology, they get harassed into oblivion. That isn't to say other religions don't have sects where things l I me that don't happen, but this is general policy in scientology.

Being talked into tithing vs literally being sold salvation and knowledge of "secret truths" are very different. One is most definitely worse than the other even if we agree both systems aren't on the up & up.

  

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94. "Scientology raping kids? "
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burning women at the stake, putting people on torture wheels, and ripping them limb from limb, or starting holy wars and genocide?

their tactics are deplorable but stuff just as bad or worse goes on in the other major religions.

of course everything isn't created exactly equal and some of the darker parts of other religions have happened more in the past than recently, but I have a long memory, so it's all the same to me.

  

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99. "Don't get me wrong. There's plenty of sin to go around. "
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It's perfectly valid to note the parallels, the similarities on a base level of religion.

Scientology is still a different animal when compared to the the average church going experience. The financial rhetoric from prosperity driven sects of the modern Christian church is sinister, but it's still not the same as Scientology selling salvation and access to higher levels of secret information has more to do with centuries old Christian practices of selling indulgences or disallowing bibles to commoners than it does with prosperity teaching. One is worse than the other. That doesn't mean one is more acceptable than the other or that you should give one a pass, but there is a distinction. Hell, what Scientology does is more in line with a VIP membership section of a website than it does modern prosperity teaching.

As far as raping kids, not that I've read, at least not to that degree, and I'd argue that current incidents of that are much further and fewer in between than they were when that shit finally reached it's breaking point. The SeaOrg as a whole is an ongoing culture of child abuse though, not to mention the filthy, sickening conditions they house infants in certain situations.

All I know is I've gone through three books on the subject- including one from Miscaviage's niece, not to mention the book this documentary is based on that goes WAY more in depth- and the average churchgoer isn't experiencing a 100th of the shit spoken of in those books. My own experiences have very little in common with Scientology, though there are some parallels of technique and manipulation that seem common across the board in religion. That's not an endorsement of the church by the way, just saying there's a difference.

  

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96. "bruh, they refuse to look in THAT mirror"
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listen to the infinite rhetoric that they spit on how one fairy tale is real & and how the other one is rubbish, christians being the most hilarious


they all turn into mini ron l. hubbards of their own faith. shits sad, but still funny

  

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101. "How do you rationalize this line of thinking?"
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102. "I think it's crazy because his story is full of ridiculous "
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details that could be left out...he has so much detail that it feels like a lie...or rather not a lie, but a story because he IS a scifi writer...with other creation stories, all of the specific details aren't known...maybe other's aren't as creative but he took great detail to write this story, which only he ever knew, down...and the fact that no one can learn this story (or rather READ the main story) until the reach the 3rd level after becoming clear. That whole concept is crazy. so i'm going to join a religion that doesn't tell me it's basis from the beginning?

but come on, this planet similar to earth was so overpopulated this man said "let's call these ppl in for an IRS audit, and send them to another planet."

FAM.

Come on now.

  

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110. "billions just spent a month and a half memorializing a zombie."
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A zombie with magic powers who ascended to a new world full of the spirits of dead ppl (or a world waiting to receive the spirits of dead ppl, depending) and who will apparently return to earth and gather more spirits to go this other world while earth is destroyed but then rebuilt and the zombie will rule over it for 1000 years. And the whole point of this other world is for the dead spirits to spend eternity in church service where they praise the zombie who is also an all-powerful, all-knowing mad scientist and a spirit thing.

That's not crazy at all.

fuck you.

  

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118. "Jesus is not a zombie. He's a revenant. Or a lich."
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He has a will and can raise others from the dead.

You ever see a roamer do that stuff?

Da bayball, babeh. (c) Charlie Kelly.

  

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121. "he also encourages flesh eating."
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that feels zombie-like to me but i'm not particularly well-versed in fictional supernatural characters.

fuck you.

  

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88. "'religions like a gang i guess.' - Oddisee"
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90. "I felt crazy and scared watching that shit lol"
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103. "yo if they promise me a swagged out highlight video like Cruise got"
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I'm fucking signing one of those billion year contracts IMMEDIATELY


xenu, all that shit, I'm in, just make me look like a gotdamn action hereo

  

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105. "if yall want to read more check out this forum post"
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http://forums.sherdog.com/forums/f95/i-am-ex-scientologist-long-read-1107218/



pretty interesting stuff im sure it covers alot of the same thing

  

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109. "Scientology: The Power of Caucasia"
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They beat the IRS?!
Billions?

I talk about Going Clear in my latest movie review podcast episode: http://lsrules.podomatic.com/entry/2015-04-05T04_43_13-07_00 #LSRules

I have a 400 year old chip on my shoulder.

  

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113. "Thats the wildest part imo"
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I mean, they beat the IRS by sheer numbers. I feel stupid for not even having the slightest clue this went down


but then again, its still not crazier than christians watching this doc in disgust & not give one single thought about how they are in the same gang

  

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111. "When they were showing up harassing dude's wife/child..."
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That's Florida, right? Stand your ground? How do they feel about bullets?

  

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