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Subject: " Racism Can End If Blacks Extend “A Hand In Love” To Whites - Common"

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AbdulJaleel
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" Racism Can End If Blacks Extend “A Hand In Love” To Whites - Common"
Tue Mar-17-15 02:21 PM by AbdulJaleel

the hand on the top is better than the hand on the bottom

http://thedailyshow.cc.com/videos/x3bz0k/common

is this show business or "we made it" talking?

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Subject	Author	Message Date	ID
combo of both	astralblak	Mar 17th 2015	1
yep	Nick Has a Problem...Seriously	Mar 17th 2015	2
Is he saying that if we be nice, then racism will go away?	8-bit	Mar 17th 2015	3
the people with no power are always nice	AbdulJaleel	Mar 17th 2015	6
how much money does it take to make it to 'New Nigga' status?	spades	Mar 17th 2015	4
Is this some new shit bammas are gonna start saying? Fuck you Pharrell!	Binladen	Mar 17th 2015	10
Clearly it is.	spades	Mar 17th 2015	57
he appreciate that oscar nod	southphillyman	Mar 17th 2015	5
lmao	initiationofplato	Mar 17th 2015	7
updates database	SoWhat	Mar 17th 2015	8
Right?	spades	Mar 17th 2015	58
it reallly makes me appreciate creatives	astralblak	Mar 17th 2015	133
RE: it reallly makes me appreciate creatives	SankofaII	Mar 17th 2015	159
Word.	spades	Mar 18th 2015	256
RE: updates database^^^^^^^	neuro_OSX	Mar 18th 2015	177
Yes, I agree we should all extend a hand to whites...a right cross	vee-lover	Mar 17th 2015	9
an Oscar must be a mutha	rdhull	Mar 17th 2015	11
i ain't heard Juicy J talking this mess.	SoWhat	Mar 17th 2015	12
true	rdhull	Mar 17th 2015	13
RE: i ain't heard Juicy J talking this mess.	Nick Has a Problem...Seriously	Mar 17th 2015	14
y'all stay fly and high too.	SoWhat	Mar 17th 2015	18
i ain't heard from Juicy J since the Oscars	legsdiamond	Mar 17th 2015	29
Shit. Even he managed to drop a conscious song in his ratchet ass mixtap...	BigReg	Mar 17th 2015	32
^ that's more fire than 'Glory'. LOL	SoWhat	Mar 17th 2015	34
that mixtape, and that song are pure FIRE.	guru0509	Mar 18th 2015	189
^^^the most important academy award win in history.	now or never	Mar 17th 2015	37
who wants to extend me a hand in love?	janey	Mar 17th 2015	15
I'll extend my hand (excuse the hot sauce and grease on em tho)	vee-lover	Mar 17th 2015	19
licks your hand	janey	Mar 17th 2015	28
here, love:	SoWhat	Mar 17th 2015	20
OMG You're the best, SoWhat	janey	Mar 17th 2015	25
i have good technique too!	SoWhat	Mar 17th 2015	30
oh I have no doubt about that	janey	Mar 17th 2015	33
lol	SoWhat	Mar 17th 2015	35
hand extended	AbdulJaleel	Mar 17th 2015	21
kisses your ring	janey	Mar 17th 2015	27
you get a hug	lfresh	Mar 17th 2015	125
hey, I'm just doing my part here	janey	Mar 17th 2015	126
Is he playing the game, or is he about to catch the dropsquad?	ShinobiShaw	Mar 17th 2015	16
he needs dropsquadding. pronto.	SoWhat	Mar 17th 2015	22
He hanging with Raven?	Sarah_Bellum	Mar 17th 2015	17
Thats what don't make sense	lfresh	Mar 17th 2015	131
true...	Sarah_Bellum	Mar 17th 2015	161
sigh	flionel	Mar 17th 2015	23
smh.. he's been on the set of Hell on Wheels too long	legsdiamond	Mar 17th 2015	24
LOFL. fam you been killin it all week	astralblak	Mar 17th 2015	134
Problem is many black people have let slavery and even jim crow slide	BigReg	Mar 17th 2015	26
New Blacks act brand new when they get that old fashioned	SoWhat	Mar 17th 2015	31
is this the whole "be the bigger person" mindset?	godleeluv	Mar 17th 2015	36
Naw this just New Black Talk.	Buddy_Gilapagos	Mar 17th 2015	38
Is it tho? Isn't what Common saying what King's message and the entire	vee-lover	Mar 17th 2015	39
no.	SoWhat	Mar 17th 2015	41
Yes - the fact that King and his cohorts were teaching blk ppl	vee-lover	Mar 17th 2015	42
How you going to ask and answer your own question. SMH.	Buddy_Gilapagos	Mar 17th 2015	46
My pops used to ask me the same thing - lol	vee-lover	Mar 17th 2015	47
I guess you are right. It's an awkward phrasing of a similar idea.	Buddy_Gilapagos	Mar 18th 2015	203
k.	SoWhat	Mar 17th 2015	52
this is why I wish everybody would stfu about MLK.	Joe Corn Mo	Mar 17th 2015	60
No, dude, you need to stfu because you're the one who is	vee-lover	Mar 17th 2015	65
k.	Joe Corn Mo	Mar 17th 2015	73
You're welcome	vee-lover	Mar 17th 2015	74
lol	Joe Corn Mo	Mar 17th 2015	76
That freshman yr militancy. Lol	SoWhat	Mar 17th 2015	80
RE: vs that 5th year senior idiocy	vee-lover	Mar 17th 2015	87
I wouldn't know. I finished on time. shrugs	SoWhat	Mar 17th 2015	90
Ok 4th year idiocy then - there, how's that?	vee-lover	Mar 17th 2015	93
I wouldn't know - I graduated with honor. shrug	SoWhat	Mar 17th 2015	95
Good for you -even though grades aren't necessarily a true measure	vee-lover	Mar 17th 2015	96
Right. That's what jury trials are for.	SoWhat	Mar 17th 2015	100
That's even greater...that you feel the need to highlight your credentia...	vee-lover	Mar 17th 2015	103
If I don't no one will.	SoWhat	Mar 17th 2015	115
damn man, somebody's got a case of the tuesdays	ConcreteCharlie	Mar 17th 2015	108
lol	SoWhat	Mar 17th 2015	116
good shit on the trials though	ConcreteCharlie	Mar 17th 2015	120
fuck no it wasn't	kayru99	Mar 18th 2015	164
King had very strong economic justice & anti-imperialist	rawsouthpaw	Mar 17th 2015	123
It is and now that I listened to what he actually said,WOW @ the disgust	ConcreteCharlie	Mar 17th 2015	109
Pretty much	Case_One	Mar 18th 2015	188
.	wluv	Mar 17th 2015	40
Black superstars = zero relevance in race relations..	Riot	Mar 17th 2015	43
The Love of God can overcome and conqueror all matters if hate	Case_One	Mar 17th 2015	44
but can The Love of God answer #307?	rdhull	Mar 17th 2015	50
Does this #307 need to be answered?	Case_One	Mar 17th 2015	62
BWAAAHAHAHAAAAA!	MME	Mar 17th 2015	130
lol	MiracleRic	Mar 18th 2015	209
LOL	Mynoriti	Mar 18th 2015	279
this is great.	kinetic94761180	Mar 18th 2015	282
sit down asshole	astralblak	Mar 17th 2015	136
I forgive you.	Case_One	Mar 17th 2015	151
And what have Black people been doing this entire time	DaHeathenOne76	Mar 17th 2015	45
That punk-ass attitude is the reason shit hasn't change...	BlassFemur	Mar 17th 2015	48
WOW, people are really tight at Common for being forgiving.	Case_One	Mar 17th 2015	49
you have to acknowledge the need for forgiveness	AbdulJaleel	Mar 17th 2015	51
I agree.	Case_One	Mar 17th 2015	61
no, we're going at him for saying that forgiveness can end	SoWhat	Mar 17th 2015	53
basically.	teefiveten	Mar 17th 2015	54
Oh ok racists need to stop being racists and that'll end this centuries	vee-lover	Mar 17th 2015	59
Yup.	SoWhat	Mar 17th 2015	64
RE: Yep thanks...for absolutely nothing	vee-lover	Mar 17th 2015	66
No problem. I didn't try.	SoWhat	Mar 17th 2015	67
Obviously	vee-lover	Mar 17th 2015	68
Right. It was a single sentence I tossed off.	SoWhat	Mar 17th 2015	70
No need to explain - I got it lol	vee-lover	Mar 17th 2015	75
so what is extending our hand in love to racists supposed to do?	SHAstayhighalways	Mar 17th 2015	77
I have absolutely no idea and for the record I wasn't endorsing this	vee-lover	Mar 17th 2015	81
He was trying too hard to be cute and confused himself.	SoWhat	Mar 17th 2015	82
First off, I don't have to try to be cute...it comes naturally and it's ...	vee-lover	Mar 17th 2015	85
pats head	SoWhat	Mar 17th 2015	86
RE: nah dude stay away from this head (pause)	vee-lover	Mar 17th 2015	89
Im not interested in your other one. Sorry, dude.	SoWhat	Mar 17th 2015	91
Yeah guy	vee-lover	Mar 17th 2015	92
Repentance is a fair pre-requisite for forgiveness.	Ted Gee Seal	Mar 17th 2015	78
Repent and sin no more (c) Jesus.	SoWhat	Mar 17th 2015	83
repentence is kinda empty tho if you don't know what for	Jon	Mar 18th 2015	261
In a country with "In God We Trust" on the dollar, folks have to do bett...	Ted Gee Seal	Mar 18th 2015	269
Got it. Like I said, I wasn't sure which way	Jon	Mar 18th 2015	283
Jon you are doing well.	Case_One	Mar 18th 2015	287
Of course he doesn't have to explain himself	Ted Gee Seal	Mar 18th 2015	288
genuine respect to both of you	Jon	Mar 18th 2015	289
Thanks Jon.	Case_One	Mar 18th 2015	290
and THIS is why the church is an outdated social club.	Joe Corn Mo	Mar 17th 2015	63
exactly.	SHAstayhighalways	Mar 17th 2015	79
...and thus endeth the lesson	wluv	Mar 17th 2015	97
.	Ted Gee Seal	Mar 17th 2015	98
carries out the James Brown robe	SoWhat	Mar 17th 2015	101
#dead	SP1200	Mar 17th 2015	122
yup.	teefiveten	Mar 17th 2015	112
BOOM!	MME	Mar 17th 2015	129
You are attempting to link three subjects into one argument	Case_One	Mar 17th 2015	147
you are only meek when it's convenient.	Joe Corn Mo	Mar 18th 2015	183
This isn't about me and you're not telling the truth.	Case_One	Mar 18th 2015	186
the concept of Ahimsa was around 2000+ years before Jesus.	guru0509	Mar 18th 2015	249
And God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit have been around before time began.	Case_One	Mar 18th 2015	276
Wrong.	guru0509	Mar 18th 2015	277
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God	Case_One	Mar 18th 2015	280
Nah.	guru0509	Mar 18th 2015	294
catches holy ghost	Ashy Achilles	Mar 20th 2015	328
I'd say given the reality, black people are	initiationofplato	Mar 17th 2015	152
we have been turning the other cheek for 400+ yrs.	Binlahab	Mar 17th 2015	55
'let's forget about the past as much as we can and move forward from her...	SoWhat	Mar 17th 2015	56
yall know he's just being pc	wluv	Mar 17th 2015	69
I hope so.	SoWhat	Mar 17th 2015	71
Finding Forever cover art	rdhull	Mar 17th 2015	94
I am sure he softened what he really thinks but I am curious as to what	ConcreteCharlie	Mar 17th 2015	111
RE: I am sure he softened what he really thinks but I am curious as to w...	wluv	Mar 17th 2015	118
I'm not sure that was what he was advocating exactly though	ConcreteCharlie	Mar 17th 2015	121
he wasnt advocating anything but forgiveness	wluv	Mar 17th 2015	135
niggas is acting like black people been walking around slapping	SHAstayhighalways	Mar 17th 2015	72
stop talking about the past injustices.	SoWhat	Mar 17th 2015	84
shit 20 years ago common was 'breathing heavy like an old man'	SHAstayhighalways	Mar 17th 2015	110
co- got damn -sign	ambient1	Mar 17th 2015	105
agreed.	Crash Bandacoot	Mar 17th 2015	138
i am crying laughing at this...	Joe Corn Mo	Mar 17th 2015	140
akin to white folk saying "Stop The Cycle", with no skin in the game	zaire	Mar 18th 2015	221
Gifted like Christmas so I love to rap, we gonna give it to the world,	Bombastic	Mar 17th 2015	88
LULZ	astralblak	Mar 17th 2015	137
what do you expect someone emancipated from Hip Hop to say?	Garhart Poppwell	Mar 17th 2015	99
I'm blaming Badu for this.	FLUIDJ	Mar 17th 2015	102
Shid did you listen to 'New Amerykah pt.1?'	vee-lover	Mar 17th 2015	104
Ha-- HaHa-- HaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHa!!!!!	Atillah Moor	Mar 17th 2015	106
black men walking-	kinetic94761180	Mar 17th 2015	107
When he was on Letterman ten years ago...he omitted that	RaphaelSoulLee	Mar 18th 2015	210
RE: Favorite song on the album...btw	kinetic94761180	Mar 18th 2015	273
i always felt Common & Nas graduated from the same school of thought	thegodcam	Mar 17th 2015	113
Damn, bruh, I hate to say it but I'm in 100% agreement	vee-lover	Mar 17th 2015	117
you have a hard on for nas.	SHAstayhighalways	Mar 17th 2015	119
^^true. Them niggas sound like 8th graders in the 80s on interviews	zaire	Mar 18th 2015	212
yeah cuz Jay-Z's idea	TheVillageIdiot	Mar 18th 2015	213
I think some of u are under rating the tactical side of it	Jon	Mar 17th 2015	114
:\|	lfresh	Mar 17th 2015	132
its sad that pandering and ass-kissing is all you read	Jon	Mar 17th 2015	141
It us what it is	lfresh	Mar 17th 2015	143
you stay twisting my words to fit your straw punching bag	Jon	Mar 17th 2015	146
Nothing is being twisted	lfresh	Mar 17th 2015	150
you're still conflating very different concepts	Jon	Mar 17th 2015	155
Actually I'm not	lfresh	Mar 17th 2015	158
yes you are.	Jon	Mar 18th 2015	180
No, I'm not	lfresh	Mar 18th 2015	191
This exchange was perfect	DaHeathenOne76	Mar 18th 2015	198
this mofo	lfresh	Mar 18th 2015	216
Your mind is not open.	SoWhat	Mar 18th 2015	222
isn't it sad that i only read pandering?	lfresh	Mar 18th 2015	229
We make it hard for good white folk!!	SoWhat	Mar 18th 2015	232
i'm so ashamed	lfresh	Mar 18th 2015	236
RE: No, I'm not	Jon	Mar 18th 2015	204
This is America, love don't live here anymore.	Atillah Moor	Mar 18th 2015	208
love is here	lfresh	Mar 18th 2015	219
It sounds like a bureaucracy administered by the oppressors	Ted Gee Seal	Mar 18th 2015	285
Racist ‘Runnin N*gger' Targets Sold At South Dakota Gun Show (swipe)	AbdulJaleel	Mar 17th 2015	145
obviously	Jon	Mar 17th 2015	157
RE: I think some of u are under rating the tactical side of it	jane eyre	Mar 17th 2015	148
I probably shouldn't waste my time with you but here I go	Jon	Mar 17th 2015	163
RE: I probably shouldn't waste my time with you but here I go	jane eyre	Mar 18th 2015	173
you are way off base	Jon	Mar 18th 2015	176
i don't read hostility in jane's words - but i read plenty in your respo...	SoWhat	Mar 18th 2015	185
lol you must be friends, because	Jon	Mar 18th 2015	197
We have never met but share some affinity bc we black.	SoWhat	Mar 18th 2015	200
That wasnt hostility that was EMPHASIS	DaHeathenOne76	Mar 18th 2015	201
Tonepolicing? Stop.	Jon	Mar 18th 2015	206
those words exist for several reasons.	Joe Corn Mo	Mar 18th 2015	215
RE: I probably shouldn't waste my time with you but here I go	Jon	Mar 18th 2015	179
and now this has devolved into you needing to be right, it seems.	SoWhat	Mar 18th 2015	187
nah, foh with that cliche	Jon	Mar 18th 2015	194
im sorry, boss.	SoWhat	Mar 18th 2015	196
you're acting pathetic now	Jon	Mar 18th 2015	199
Well I am pretty pathetic.	SoWhat	Mar 18th 2015	202
applause	SoWhat	Mar 18th 2015	184
^^^^^^^^^ THIS SHIT HERE ^^^^^^^^^^^^	Joe Corn Mo	Mar 18th 2015	217
Fam, it is beyond slavery.	initiationofplato	Mar 17th 2015	149
How in the flying hell did u misread that?	Jon	Mar 17th 2015	156
I felt your message down played the severity	initiationofplato	Mar 17th 2015
The ONLY thing Im downplaying is the patience of	Jon	Mar 18th 2015	166
Your replies have helped me understand why	initiationofplato	Mar 18th 2015	214
Jon, I'm waiting for your response.	initiationofplato	Mar 19th 2015	299
Double	initiationofplato	Mar 17th 2015	160
I think the disconnect with the replies above is the 'racial defensivene...	BigReg	Mar 18th 2015	167
it reads as if it was the luck of the draw	teefiveten	Mar 18th 2015	169
I'm not sure who you are	Jon	Mar 18th 2015	172
wasn't responding to you	teefiveten	Mar 18th 2015	265
RE: I think the disconnect with the replies above is the 'racial defensi...	Jon	Mar 18th 2015	170
...what the fuck do you think people of color have been doing	kayru99	Mar 18th 2015	165
what the fuck are you talking about? I didn't say	Jon	Mar 18th 2015	168
sooooo, how much more love do white folks need?	kayru99	Mar 18th 2015	171
RE: sooooo, how much more love do white folks need?	Jon	Mar 18th 2015	174
to address your edit:	Jon	Mar 18th 2015	175
THIS HAS ALREADY BEEN HAPPENING:	kayru99	Mar 18th 2015	235
hello.	SoWhat	Mar 18th 2015	240
^^^^	teefiveten	Mar 18th 2015	244
begin is a figure of speech, stop this. And Com didnt	Jon	Mar 18th 2015	245
sigh	lfresh	Mar 18th 2015	264
No you're right. It's great advice...	b.Touch	Mar 18th 2015	182
its not supposed to be novel new advice, and its not	Jon	Mar 18th 2015	192
Pray for us, Jon.	SoWhat	Mar 18th 2015	195
Doc, I commend you for even trying to add you 2 cents to the pot.	Case_One	Mar 18th 2015	205
word up.	SoWhat	Mar 18th 2015	207
two such "honest individuals"	lfresh	Mar 18th 2015	218
I try.	Case_One	Mar 18th 2015	224
I can dig what the rev said especially where he said	SoWhat	Mar 18th 2015	225
totally.	Joe Corn Mo	Mar 18th 2015	227
yep	MiracleRic	Mar 18th 2015	233
i notice those two aren't agreeing with your interpretation	lfresh	Mar 18th 2015	234
ikr?	SoWhat	Mar 18th 2015	239
2 things tho	Jon	Mar 18th 2015	248
he's wrong where he insinuates that blacks extending the hand	SoWhat	Mar 18th 2015	253
yeah I truthfully think you're nailing him to some	Jon	Mar 18th 2015	254
Yup. I'm being dishonest bc Com didn't make a 'kill whitey' statement	SoWhat	Mar 18th 2015	258
come on, I didn't say all that.	Jon	Mar 18th 2015	259
no, I said it so you didn't have to.	SoWhat	Mar 18th 2015	260
I already didn't have to. I wasn't even thinking that. Damn	Jon	Mar 18th 2015	263
i got there b4 you.	SoWhat	Mar 18th 2015	267
I agree with everything you said- 100 %, no snark.	Joe Corn Mo	Mar 18th 2015	226
lots of words and concepts being thrown around with no base in reality	Atillah Moor	Mar 18th 2015	242
Well not in your reality. But in mine the message is valid.	Case_One	Mar 18th 2015	246
We both believe in miracles at least.	Atillah Moor	Mar 18th 2015	268
I think Mandela's turn to reconciliation in SA	rawsouthpaw	Mar 18th 2015	252
yes and it came after apartheid was defeated.	SoWhat	Mar 18th 2015	255
you're singing my song with that stuff. 100% cosign	Jon	Mar 18th 2015	257
True indeed.	Case_One	Mar 18th 2015	266
Thanks for this, and everything you said is on point.	Jon	Mar 18th 2015	243
#HumanityWorkingItOut	Case_One	Mar 18th 2015	247
absolutely.	Jon	Mar 18th 2015	251
Jay Smooth makes a similar point about tactically discussing race	Buddy_Gilapagos	Mar 18th 2015	272
thank you. exactly.	Jon	Mar 18th 2015	278
Yesh, Jon is on point. But people are not missing it IMO, they	Case_One	Mar 18th 2015	281
this is not what common was saying though	MiracleRic	Mar 19th 2015	311
None of this matters and talk is cheap	imo	Mar 18th 2015	291
possibly my favorite Nas track ever right there	Jon	Mar 18th 2015	292
#291 all the way	Atillah Moor	Mar 19th 2015	306
In addition, poor and pussy white people are the reason blacks	imo	Mar 20th 2015	330
That's a good way to get shot through the hand.	Hitokiri	Mar 17th 2015	124
Boy, you so pretty	lfresh	Mar 17th 2015	127
'93 - '01 Common is tossing in his grave :( :( :(	mtbatol	Mar 17th 2015	162
He's not ready for that pay cut by saying something different	imo	Mar 17th 2015	128
Murph, get your people.	Kira	Mar 17th 2015	139
Imagine if Common made a rap song saying this, lol	Starks dunked on Bulls	Mar 17th 2015	142
LL Cool J and Brad Paisley already did.	Boogie Stimuli	Mar 18th 2015	193
i wish i hadn't watched that	Crash Bandacoot	Mar 17th 2015	144
Hypocrite... seen this nigga murk a bunch of white cops this past weeken...	mtbatol	Mar 17th 2015	153
racism will end when you stop thinking black and white	Heinz	Mar 17th 2015	154
He on that Morgan Freeman, Don Lemon shit..... SMMFH !!	neuro_OSX	Mar 18th 2015	178
naw...he's dating Lupita.	b.Touch	Mar 18th 2015	181
cosby out here rapey + the creator of ''bitch in yoo'' is buck-dancin'.....	2.tears.in.a.bucket	Mar 18th 2015	190
it's some bullshit...but typical hippy shit	MiracleRic	Mar 18th 2015	211
This sentiment embodies Okayplayer perfectly	Musa	Mar 18th 2015	220
odd that u say that despite	MiracleRic	Mar 18th 2015	223
^^^^^	Starks dunked on Bulls	Mar 18th 2015	231
That's the irony of the outrage	Musa	Mar 18th 2015	238
LOL.. on point like a muuhufukka with this one.	legsdiamond	Mar 19th 2015	297
Exactly what I'm saying in #296	Boogie Stimuli	Mar 19th 2015	300
LOL	GirlChild	Mar 18th 2015	250
Its actually some dope music	Musa	Mar 18th 2015	262
Comm hasn't had a post this deep since Electric Circus	Garhart Poppwell	Mar 18th 2015	228
It's too damn late	Atillah Moor	Mar 18th 2015	230
Yeah, tell that Black Cop to forget about history move on Com	zaire	Mar 18th 2015	237
...yup. Sad, but true	kayru99	Mar 18th 2015	241
...	Crash Bandacoot	Mar 18th 2015	286
He's right! Miscegenation is the answer!	Deacon Blues	Mar 18th 2015	270
San Diego!	rdhull	Mar 18th 2015	271
Martin Luther the Common.	morpheme	Mar 18th 2015	274
ha!	kinetic94761180	Mar 18th 2015	284
SMH Not like this Com	13Rose	Mar 18th 2015	275
lol! Common is catching hell	GrumpySmurf	Mar 18th 2015	293
ole Mushroom head lemon lime jive turkey sucking up now	mistermaxxx08	Mar 18th 2015	295
He didn't say that though... and most of yall DO agree with him.	Boogie Stimuli	Mar 19th 2015	296
I like to think some people do it to keep the boards moving	legsdiamond	Mar 19th 2015	298
Common held up the mirror and showed 'em they're on some sucka shit.	Boogie Stimuli	Mar 19th 2015	301
He really did.	Case_One	Mar 19th 2015	302
Precisely why I just shook my head and let them poast	Binladen	Mar 19th 2015	303
base.	daryloneal	Mar 19th 2015	304
it's sooooo not that binary though	MiracleRic	Mar 19th 2015	313
My thing is this:	daryloneal	Mar 19th 2015	305
^^^^^	Binladen	Mar 19th 2015	307
I think this is why no one want to be the "Black Voice/Leader"	Case_One	Mar 19th 2015	309
This isn't why	Atillah Moor	Mar 19th 2015	312
l love your absolutes.	Case_One	Mar 19th 2015	317
people don't want to be the next Black leader	Mr. ManC	Mar 19th 2015	321
For some death is a deterrent.	Case_One	Mar 19th 2015	323
i do agree with this though	MiracleRic	Mar 19th 2015	314
fuckin a, this shit HAD to be said! ...standing ovation	Jon	Mar 19th 2015	315
Just the cost of doing business.	Atillah Moor	Mar 19th 2015	316
RE: My thing is this:	Tiggerific	Mar 20th 2015	324
https://i.imgflip.com/j1tw5.jpg	ScooterBug	Mar 19th 2015	308
This ain't handwriting on the wall, this is Hot Pink Neon Paint	Case_One	Mar 19th 2015	310
Racism Is Over, Says A$AP Ferg, Because of the Internet, Interracial Dat...	AbdulJaleel	Mar 19th 2015	318
Russell Brand won	Atillah Moor	Mar 19th 2015	319
Yep	lfresh	Mar 20th 2015	327
I didn't have high expectations for a cat whose clique constantly brags	Boogie Stimuli	Mar 20th 2015	325
http://i.imgur.com/IOsbecN.gif	TheRealBillyOcean	Mar 20th 2015	326
who cares what asap ferg thinks	Ashy Achilles	Mar 20th 2015	329
RE: Racism Can End If Blacks Extend “A Hand In Love” To Whites - Co...	Tiggerific	Mar 19th 2015	320
Raps I make up like blacks do excuses - Common	Geez 216	Mar 19th 2015	322

astralblak
Member since Apr 05th 2007
20029 posts

Tue Mar-17-15 02:23 PM

1. "combo of both"
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Nick Has a Problem...Seriously
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Tue Mar-17-15 02:24 PM

2. "yep"
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8-bit
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Tue Mar-17-15 02:24 PM

3. "Is he saying that if we be nice, then racism will go away?"
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AbdulJaleel
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Tue Mar-17-15 02:38 PM

6. "the people with no power are always nice"
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www.instagram.com/schemeofthings

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Tue Mar-17-15 02:33 PM

4. "how much money does it take to make it to 'New Nigga' status?"
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I'm just curious...

********************************

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http://getouttheroom.podomatic.com
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"You probably wouldn't worry about what people think of you if you could know how seldom they do!" - Olin Miller

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10. "Is this some new shit bammas are gonna start saying? Fuck you Pharrell!"
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spades
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Tue Mar-17-15 04:59 PM

57. "Clearly it is."
In response to Reply # 10

and it's SO fucking goofy too.

smh

I just don't get what's on their minds.

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Tue Mar-17-15 02:35 PM

5. "he appreciate that oscar nod"
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~~~~~~

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Tue Mar-17-15 02:41 PM

7. "lmao"
In response to Reply # 0

Common is tripping hard.

~Experience is the currency of the soul.

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SoWhat
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Tue Mar-17-15 02:41 PM

8. "*updates database*"
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fuck you.

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spades
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Tue Mar-17-15 04:59 PM

58. "Right?"
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astralblak
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Tue Mar-17-15 07:56 PM

133. "it reallly makes me appreciate creatives"
In response to Reply # 8

like Kiese Laymon, Junot Diaz, and Sherman Alexie who are ALWAYS like white people y'all terrible, eat a dick.

maybe it's easier for them because as authors they aint in the limelight like actors and musicians, where their paper would really get fucked up

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SankofaII
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Tue Mar-17-15 11:22 PM

159. "RE: it reallly makes me appreciate creatives"
In response to Reply # 133

>like Kiese Laymon, Junot Diaz, and Sherman Alexie who are
>ALWAYS like white people y'all terrible, eat a dick.

agreed. I'd also add Chimamanda Ngozi Adichie, and there are women writers who say it all the time...

>maybe it's easier for them because as authors they aint in the
>limelight like actors and musicians, where their paper would
>really get fucked up

True. I'm sure black folk in Hollywood are saying it. But they know if they say it loudly, they aren't working....

Get Out the Room
https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/get-out-the-room/id525657893

Some of y'all need this in your life: http://www.psychology.com

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Wed Mar-18-15 11:56 AM

256. "Word."
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neuro_OSX
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Wed Mar-18-15 02:01 AM

177. "RE: *updates database*^^^^^^^"
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exactly !!

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vee-lover
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Tue Mar-17-15 02:42 PM

9. "Yes, I agree we should all extend a hand to whites...a right cross "
In response to Reply # 0

and several let hooks to the jaw and rib section preferably....

And who says I can't do that w/love in my heart (and fist)

grassrootsphilosopher

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rdhull
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Tue Mar-17-15 02:46 PM

11. "an Oscar must be a mutha"
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Tue Mar-17-15 02:48 PM

12. "i ain't heard Juicy J talking this mess."
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Tue Mar-17-15 02:48 PM by SoWhat

and he is also an Oscar winner.

note: i like to bring up Academy Award winners Three 6 Mafia whenever appropriate.

fuck you.

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rdhull
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Tue Mar-17-15 02:49 PM

13. "true"
In response to Reply # 12

>and he is also an Oscar winner.
>
>note: i like to bring up Academy Award winners Three 6 Mafia
>whenever appropriate.

lol

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Tue Mar-17-15 02:49 PM

14. "RE: i ain't heard Juicy J talking this mess."
In response to Reply # 12

We stay hood in the south. We don't know no other way.

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Tue Mar-17-15 02:52 PM

18. "y'all stay fly and high too."
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fuck you.

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legsdiamond
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Tue Mar-17-15 02:57 PM

29. "i ain't heard from Juicy J since the Oscars"
In response to Reply # 12

not really..just wanted to say it.

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BigReg
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Tue Mar-17-15 02:59 PM

32. "Shit. Even he managed to drop a conscious song in his ratchet ass mixtap..."
In response to Reply # 12

God bless America, home of the brave
We ain't picking cotton no more but we're still slaves
They talk about peace, but how that's gon' be
When police leaving young niggas dead in the street
When niggas start shooting back, how they gon' act
And they wonder why a nigga stay strapped
They wonder why we trap, for real, real niggas don't rat
Black man, born with a target on his back
Standing with his hands up, screaming "Don't shoot!"
Biggest gang in America, the boys in blue
Now we gon' ride, now we gon' loot
Cause that black man could have been me or you - Juicy J "Don't Shoot'

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SoWhat
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Tue Mar-17-15 03:00 PM

34. "^ that's more fire than 'Glory'. LOL"
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fuck you.

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Wed Mar-18-15 06:40 AM

189. "that mixtape, and that song are pure FIRE."
In response to Reply # 32

-------------------
I wanna go to where the martyrs went
the brown figures on the walls of my apart-a-ment...

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now or never
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Tue Mar-17-15 03:39 PM

37. "^^^the most important academy award win in history."
In response to Reply # 12

-----
No one ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American public. (c) HL Mencken or some other motherfucker.

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janey
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Tue Mar-17-15 02:50 PM

15. "who wants to extend me a hand in love?"
In response to Reply # 0

I'm here waiting now.

~ ~ ~
All meetings end in separation
All acquisition ends in dispersion
All life ends in death
- The Buddha

|\_/|
='_'=

Every hundred years, all new people

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Tue Mar-17-15 02:52 PM

19. "I'll extend my hand (excuse the hot sauce and grease on em tho)"
In response to Reply # 15

>I'm here waiting now.
>
>~ ~ ~
>All meetings end in separation
>All acquisition ends in dispersion
>All life ends in death
>- The Buddha
>
>|\_/|
>='_'=
>
>Every hundred years, all new people

grassrootsphilosopher

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janey
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Tue Mar-17-15 02:56 PM

28. "*licks your hand*"
In response to Reply # 19

Mmmm

that's a good look

~ ~ ~
All meetings end in separation
All acquisition ends in dispersion
All life ends in death
- The Buddha

|\_/|
='_'=

Every hundred years, all new people

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SoWhat
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Tue Mar-17-15 02:53 PM

20. "here, love:"
In response to Reply # 15

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/fa/Silentduck.jpg

fuck you.

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janey
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Tue Mar-17-15 02:55 PM

25. "OMG You're the best, SoWhat"
In response to Reply # 20

I love a man who knows how to duckyhead a girl!

~ ~ ~
All meetings end in separation
All acquisition ends in dispersion
All life ends in death
- The Buddha

|\_/|
='_'=

Every hundred years, all new people

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Tue Mar-17-15 02:57 PM

30. "i have good technique too!"
In response to Reply # 25

or so i'm told. lol

fuck you.

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janey
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Tue Mar-17-15 03:00 PM

33. "oh I have no doubt about that"
In response to Reply # 30

you sessy thing you

~ ~ ~
All meetings end in separation
All acquisition ends in dispersion
All life ends in death
- The Buddha

|\_/|
='_'=

Every hundred years, all new people

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Tue Mar-17-15 03:01 PM

35. "lol"
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fuck you.

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AbdulJaleel
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Tue Mar-17-15 02:53 PM

21. "hand extended"
In response to Reply # 15

just don't have a billy club in your other hand

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janey
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Tue Mar-17-15 02:56 PM

27. "*kisses your ring*"
In response to Reply # 21

I acknowledge my sovereign.

~ ~ ~
All meetings end in separation
All acquisition ends in dispersion
All life ends in death
- The Buddha

|\_/|
='_'=

Every hundred years, all new people

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lfresh
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Tue Mar-17-15 07:31 PM

125. "you get a hug"
In response to Reply # 15

But if you say racism is solved
I'll slap the kufi off your head woman
~~~~
When you are born, you cry, and the world rejoices. Live so that when you die, you rejoice, and the world cries.
~~~~
You cannot hate people for their own good.

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janey
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Tue Mar-17-15 07:34 PM

126. "hey, I'm just doing my part here"
In response to Reply # 125

each one teach one, and all that

*hugs you back*

~ ~ ~
All meetings end in separation
All acquisition ends in dispersion
All life ends in death
- The Buddha

|\_/|
='_'=

Every hundred years, all new people

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ShinobiShaw
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Tue Mar-17-15 02:50 PM

16. "Is he playing the game, or is he about to catch the dropsquad?"
In response to Reply # 0

http://soundcloud.com/djshinobishaw
http://www.rareformnyc.com
http://twitter.com/DJShinobiShaw
https://twitter.com/RareFormNYC
PSN: ShinobiShaw

"Arm Leg Leg Arm How you doin?" (c)T510

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SoWhat
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Tue Mar-17-15 02:54 PM

22. "he needs dropsquadding. pronto."
In response to Reply # 16

he ain't too far gone yet. YET.

fuck you.

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Sarah_Bellum
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Tue Mar-17-15 02:52 PM

17. "He hanging with Raven?"
In response to Reply # 0

Maybe it's just a bad week for light skin niggas... with the whole cyclone in Vanuatu and everything.
___________________________________________________________

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lfresh
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Tue Mar-17-15 07:45 PM

131. "Thats what don't make sense"
In response to Reply # 17

John Legend ain't on this crap
~~~~
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Tue Mar-17-15 11:32 PM

161. "true..."
In response to Reply # 131

I feel like John is the one dude that won't let us down. He seems like a bastion of common sense, always has.

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flionel
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Tue Mar-17-15 02:54 PM

23. "*sigh*"
In response to Reply # 0

Racism debate is taking a HUGE 'L' this week

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legsdiamond
Member since May 05th 2011
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Tue Mar-17-15 02:55 PM

24. "smh.. he's been on the set of Hell on Wheels too long"
In response to Reply # 0

first time I met Common he had on camo gear at the Million Man March

Next time he had on crochet pants and a bedazzled shirt when he was fuckin with Eyrka.

and now... smh.

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astralblak
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Tue Mar-17-15 07:59 PM

134. "LOFL. fam you been killin it all week"
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BigReg
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Tue Mar-17-15 02:56 PM

26. "Problem is many black people have let slavery and even jim crow slide"
In response to Reply # 0

>the hand on the top is better than the hand on the bottom
>
>http://thedailyshow.cc.com/videos/x3bz0k/common
>
>is this show business or "we made it" talking?

It's the 2015 cism that many are incredulous that is not only in place, but white america continues to deny:

When you've got 75% of the ENTIRE population Ferguson walking around with fucking bench warrants giving cops extra impunity to do what they do for silly shit like traffic tickets and jay walking.

Although I guess when you're new black, your immune to the rest of the problems black people face...those tickets automatically disappear, lol

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SoWhat
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Tue Mar-17-15 02:59 PM

31. "New Blacks act brand new when they get that old fashioned"
In response to Reply # 26

>Although I guess when you're new black, your immune to the
>rest of the problems black people face...those tickets
>automatically disappear, lol

racism.

like:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2387630/Racist-shop-girl-said-I-afford-24-000-handbag-says-billionaire-Oprah-Winfrey.html

fuck you.

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godleeluv
Member since Jun 11th 2013
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Tue Mar-17-15 03:10 PM

36. "is this the whole "be the bigger person" mindset?"
In response to Reply # 0

The holding grudges keeps you bound to anger and freedom comes from forgiveness idea?

Idk about all dat.

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Buddy_Gilapagos
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Tue Mar-17-15 03:46 PM

38. "Naw this just New Black Talk. "
In response to Reply # 36

**********
"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"One of the most important things in life is what Judge Learned Hand described as 'that ever-gnawing inner doubt as to whether you're r

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vee-lover
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Tue Mar-17-15 03:49 PM

39. "Is it tho? Isn't what Common saying what King's message and the entire"
In response to Reply # 38

Civil rights movement abt?

>**********
>"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then
>they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson
>
>"One of the most important things in life is what Judge
>Learned Hand described as 'that ever-gnawing inner doubt as to
>whether you're r

grassrootsphilosopher

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SoWhat
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Tue Mar-17-15 03:55 PM

41. "no."
In response to Reply # 39
Tue Mar-17-15 03:57 PM by SoWhat

that's a pretty thorough bastardization of Dr. King's message and the point of the BCRM.

fuck you.

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vee-lover
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Tue Mar-17-15 04:05 PM

42. "Yes - the fact that King and his cohorts were teaching blk ppl"
In response to Reply # 41
Tue Mar-17-15 04:09 PM by vee-lover

to respond non-violently to being violently attacked is essence what Common is saying by extending a hand (or even more extreme)

One of King's famous quotes was that "love is the only force that can transform an enemy into a friend"

In fact, King's message and strategy were far more passive than what Common said

>that's a pretty thorough bastardization of Dr. King's message
>and the point of the BCRM.
>

grassrootsphilosopher

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Buddy_Gilapagos
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Tue Mar-17-15 04:21 PM

46. "How you going to ask and answer your own question. SMH. "
In response to Reply # 42

JK.

I am with Sowhat. I haven't seen the whole Common quote but it seems to suggest that it's in Black FOlks control to end racism by extended the hand of peace. I think that is wrong.

I think it's slightly different to say that extending love to racist is a key part of creating change but the operative action in ending Racism is an enemy's transforming into friends (i.e, racist stop being racist).

**********
"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"One of the most important things in life is what Judge Learned Hand described as 'that ever-gnawing inner doubt as to whether you're r

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vee-lover
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Tue Mar-17-15 04:29 PM

47. "My pops used to ask me the same thing - lol"
In response to Reply # 46
Tue Mar-17-15 04:30 PM by vee-lover

>JK.
>
> I am with Sowhat. I haven't seen the whole Common quote but
>it seems to suggest that it's in Black FOlks control to end
>racism by extended the hand of peace. I think that is wrong.

How else do you suggest we go abt ending racism then? By force...or do we wait around for those white ppl who are hostile to us to come around and see the error in their ways?
>
>
>I think it's slightly different to say that extending love to
>racist is a key part of creating change but the operative
>action in ending Racism is an enemy's transforming into
>friends (i.e, racist stop being racist).

"Slightly different" <---your words) suggests that there is a common thread in Common's message and Dr. Kings...Malcolm thought it was completely wrongheaded to think you could transform a sworn enemy into a friend
>
>
>
>**********
>"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then
>they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson
>
>"One of the most important things in life is what Judge
>Learned Hand described as 'that ever-gnawing inner doubt as to
>whether you're r

grassrootsphilosopher

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Buddy_Gilapagos
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Wed Mar-18-15 07:51 AM

203. "I guess you are right. It's an awkward phrasing of a similar idea."
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SoWhat
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Tue Mar-17-15 04:46 PM

52. "k."
In response to Reply # 42

fuck you.

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Joe Corn Mo
Member since Aug 29th 2010
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Tue Mar-17-15 05:02 PM

60. "this is why I wish everybody would stfu about MLK. "
In response to Reply # 42

MLK was not the polite house negro they talk about every February.

there is nothing passive about MLK.

he used non-violent resistance as a tactic
because it was the most effective tactic we could utilize.

in spite of what fox news and white washed history books tell you,
MLK's dream was not about the day his children could hang out with white ppl.

his dream was for a war on poverty thay united Blacks and poor white ppl.

his dream about america making good on rhetoric about all ppl being equal.

his dream was about all of us learning to love our neighbor...
and to want for our brothers and sisters what we want for ourselves...
so much so that we are willing to sacrafice our lives, just as he did,
to fight against the powerful forces that keep us divided amongst ourselves. (us meaning all of humanity, not just black ppl).

you are making MLK sound like a coon.

he wasn't that.

>to respond non-violently to being violently attacked is
>essence what Common is saying by extending a hand (or even
>more extreme)
>
>One of King's famous quotes was that "love is the only force
>that can transform an enemy into a friend"
>
>In fact, King's message and strategy were far more passive
>than what Common said
>
>
>>that's a pretty thorough bastardization of Dr. King's
>message
>>and the point of the BCRM.
>>
>

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vee-lover
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Tue Mar-17-15 05:17 PM

65. "No, dude, you need to stfu because you're the one who is"
In response to Reply # 60
Tue Mar-17-15 05:31 PM by vee-lover

mischaracterizing King and his non-violent methods

Seriously

Go read "Where do we to from here" and get back to me

>MLK was not the polite house negro they talk about every
>February.

>
>there is nothing passive about MLK.

Oh so not responding violently to ruthless violence isn't considered passive? Smh...there's none of us on this board who could've marched w/King if it required we remain non-violent while white ppl hit/spit and spray you w/a water hose...yeah that's far from passive
>
>he used non-violent resistance as a tactic
>because it was the most effective tactic we could utilize.

WRONG again - all the men around him said non-violence was not just a political and social strategy against racist white southerners but a *moral* weapon as well....Andrew Young has said in numerous interviews that that's what separated him from the rest of his "disciples," in that he believed in non-violence as a way of life ....but Young said for he and others it was more of a pragmatic strategy
>
>in spite of what fox news and white washed history books tell
>you,
>MLK's dream was not about the day his children could hang out
>with white ppl.

Ok...not true again but since you think you have true insight on what King stood for, I'll let you go right and be wrong (again)
>
>his dream was for a war on poverty thay united Blacks and poor
>white ppl.

That was part of a broader plan that he got involved with in the latter part of his public life...it wasn't like he all of a sudden became a separatist during this period though. His core principlesUpdating inventory were very much the same...which was in face of violence you have to meet it w/non-violence/love

>his dream about america making good on rhetoric about all ppl
>being equal.
>
>his dream was about all of us learning to love our
>neighbor...
>and to want for our brothers and sisters what we want for
>ourselves...
>so much so that we are willing to sacrafice our lives, just as
>he did,
>to fight against the powerful forces that keep us divided
>amongst ourselves. (us meaning all of humanity, not just black
>ppl).
>
>
>
>you are making MLK sound like a coon.

Bye, dude smfh

>
>he wasn't that.

>>
>

grassrootsphilosopher

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Tue Mar-17-15 05:27 PM

73. "k. "
In response to Reply # 65

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Tue Mar-17-15 05:28 PM

74. "You're welcome"
In response to Reply # 73

grassrootsphilosopher

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Tue Mar-17-15 05:31 PM

76. "lol"
In response to Reply # 74

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SoWhat
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Tue Mar-17-15 05:39 PM

80. "That freshman yr militancy. Lol"
In response to Reply # 76

fuck you.

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vee-lover
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Tue Mar-17-15 05:54 PM

87. "RE: vs that 5th year senior idiocy"
In response to Reply # 80

grassrootsphilosopher

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SoWhat
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Tue Mar-17-15 05:55 PM

90. "I wouldn't know. I finished on time. *shrugs*"
In response to Reply # 87

fuck you.

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vee-lover
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Tue Mar-17-15 05:58 PM

93. "Ok 4th year idiocy then - there, how's that?"
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grassrootsphilosopher

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SoWhat
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Tue Mar-17-15 06:00 PM

95. "I wouldn't know - I graduated with honor. *shrug*"
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fuck you.

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Tue Mar-17-15 06:01 PM

96. "Good for you -even though grades aren't necessarily a true measure "
In response to Reply # 95
Tue Mar-17-15 06:02 PM by vee-lover

of a person's intelligence and ability to reason

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SoWhat
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Tue Mar-17-15 06:04 PM

100. "Right. That's what jury trials are for."
In response to Reply # 96

I've won my last 3.

fuck you.

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vee-lover
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Tue Mar-17-15 06:07 PM

103. "That's even greater...that you feel the need to highlight your credentia..."
In response to Reply # 100

to prove how smart/intelligent/reasonable you are

>I've won my last 3.

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Tue Mar-17-15 06:47 PM

115. "If I don't no one will."
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Tue Mar-17-15 06:47 PM by SoWhat

So hell yeah.

fuck you.

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ConcreteCharlie
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Tue Mar-17-15 06:23 PM

108. "damn man, somebody's got a case of the tuesdays"
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And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

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Tue Mar-17-15 06:48 PM

116. "lol"
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fuck you.

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ConcreteCharlie
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Tue Mar-17-15 07:02 PM

120. "good shit on the trials though"
In response to Reply # 116

my buddy works as a PD in L.A. county and dude walked the first FOURTEEN clients he had. i know you can appreciate that as a defense attorney given the shit case load PDs get. he has a tough case right now, some kid (about 16) facing conspiracy to commit murder. lawdhamerzee.

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kayru99
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Wed Mar-18-15 12:03 AM

164. "fuck no it wasn't"
In response to Reply # 42

King was far more media savvy than we give him credit for

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rawsouthpaw
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Tue Mar-17-15 07:07 PM

123. "King had very strong economic justice & anti-imperialist"
In response to Reply # 39

messages and actions, so no.

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ConcreteCharlie
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Tue Mar-17-15 06:24 PM

109. "It is and now that I listened to what he actually said,WOW @ the disgust"
In response to Reply # 36
Tue Mar-17-15 06:24 PM by ConcreteCharlie

Some folks here just relish bitterness and hopelessness, I guess.

And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

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Wed Mar-18-15 06:32 AM

188. "Pretty much "
In response to Reply # 109

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"Today is your day to have a better life -- it's your right."

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Tue Mar-17-15 03:54 PM

40. "."
In response to Reply # 0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KkAZuUaxMdw

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Tue Mar-17-15 04:12 PM

43. "Black superstars = zero relevance in race relations.."
In response to Reply # 0

go ask your target barista

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Tue Mar-17-15 04:19 PM

44. "The Love of God can overcome and conqueror all matters if hate "
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"Today is your day to have a better life -- it's your right."

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Tue Mar-17-15 04:35 PM

50. "but can The Love of God answer #307?"
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>
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>"Today is your day to have a better life -- it's your right."

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Tue Mar-17-15 05:05 PM

62. "Does this #307 need to be answered?"
In response to Reply # 50

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"Today is your day to have a better life -- it's your right."

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Tue Mar-17-15 07:43 PM

130. "BWAAAHAHAHAAAAA!"
In response to Reply # 50

>>
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>>"Today is your day to have a better life -- it's your
>right."
>

____________________________

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Wed Mar-18-15 08:32 AM

209. "lol"
In response to Reply # 50

Let me sport my Air Hyperbole 2010s in peace. (c) ansomble

Building repetoires (c) spm since 1983

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Wed Mar-18-15 06:48 PM

279. "LOL"
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Wed Mar-18-15 08:01 PM

282. "this is great."
In response to Reply # 50

he's really not gonna answer....

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Rjcc is code for "bitch-ass troll"

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Tue Mar-17-15 08:05 PM

136. "sit down asshole"
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Tue Mar-17-15 10:08 PM

151. "I forgive you."
In response to Reply # 136

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"Today is your day to have a better life -- it's your right."

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DaHeathenOne76
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Tue Mar-17-15 04:19 PM

45. "And what have Black people been doing this entire time"
In response to Reply # 0

We havent collectively risen and Nat Turner'd anyone.

We havent said fuck you wont even stick our tongue out at the beast.

Common can kiss my ass.

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Tue Mar-17-15 04:30 PM

48. "That punk-ass attitude is the reason shit hasn't change..."
In response to Reply # 0

change is not going to come from the efforts of white people (although there are some that are genuinely trying), so black folks need to stop expecting it. Extend a hand my ass. How can any black man utter those words. Fuckin idiot.

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49. "WOW, people are really tight at Common for being forgiving. "
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"Today is your day to have a better life -- it's your right."

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Tue Mar-17-15 04:42 PM

51. "you have to acknowledge the need for forgiveness"
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www.instagram.com/schemeofthings

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Case_One
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61. "I agree."
In response to Reply # 51

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"Today is your day to have a better life -- it's your right."

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SoWhat
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Tue Mar-17-15 04:47 PM

53. "no, we're going at him for saying that forgiveness can end"
In response to Reply # 49
Tue Mar-17-15 04:48 PM by SoWhat

racism.

as opposed to, you know, racists not being racist.

i agree that forgiveness will be needed. but i disagree that forgiveness will end racism.

i also haven't seen all of Common's appearance on TDS.

fuck you.

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Tue Mar-17-15 04:49 PM

54. "basically. "
In response to Reply # 53

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vee-lover
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Tue Mar-17-15 05:00 PM

59. "Oh ok racists need to stop being racists and that'll end this centuries"
In response to Reply # 53

old problem...

How profound

>racism.
>
>as opposed to, you know, racists not being racist.
>
>i agree that forgiveness will be needed. but i disagree that
>forgiveness will end racism.
>
>i also haven't seen all of Common's appearance on TDS.

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SoWhat
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Tue Mar-17-15 05:13 PM

64. "Yup."
In response to Reply # 59

Thanks!

fuck you.

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vee-lover
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Tue Mar-17-15 05:18 PM

66. "RE: Yep thanks...for absolutely nothing"
In response to Reply # 64

>Thanks!

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Tue Mar-17-15 05:23 PM

67. "No problem. I didn't try."
In response to Reply # 66

fuck you.

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Tue Mar-17-15 05:23 PM

68. "Obviously"
In response to Reply # 67

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Tue Mar-17-15 05:24 PM

70. "Right. It was a single sentence I tossed off."
In response to Reply # 68

Man, you read good.

fuck you.

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vee-lover
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Tue Mar-17-15 05:29 PM

75. "No need to explain - I got it lol"
In response to Reply # 70

>Man, you read good.

Yes, I do

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SHAstayhighalways
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Tue Mar-17-15 05:31 PM

77. "so what is extending our hand in love to racists supposed to do?"
In response to Reply # 59

that's not supposed to end racism?
what is this conversation even about then??

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vee-lover
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Tue Mar-17-15 05:39 PM

81. "I have absolutely no idea and for the record I wasn't endorsing this"
In response to Reply # 77
Tue Mar-17-15 05:41 PM by vee-lover

line of thinking per se, only that it was consistent w/King's approach to racism than let's say, Malcom X or Farrakhan

I only asked the question to Buddy

I know at heart I'm all for an eye-for-an-eye to fight racism

But King said the enduring power of love and not the fanciful and empty westernized idea of Love but that love which is the guiding and sustaining principle of the universe is how we will conquer hate/racism

Now whatever that means to you and all of us is the pressing question that needs answering

>that's not supposed to end racism?
>what is this conversation even about then??
>

grassrootsphilosopher

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Tue Mar-17-15 05:41 PM

82. "He was trying too hard to be cute and confused himself."
In response to Reply # 77

Bless his heart.

fuck you.

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vee-lover
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Tue Mar-17-15 05:52 PM

85. "First off, I don't have to try to be cute...it comes naturally and it's ..."
In response to Reply # 82
Tue Mar-17-15 06:00 PM by vee-lover

boy Jo who confused himself w/distorting King's legacy

Common only "said" extend a hand to end racism, King embodied that belief and lived it

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Tue Mar-17-15 05:54 PM

86. "*pats head*"
In response to Reply # 85

fuck you.

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vee-lover
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Tue Mar-17-15 05:55 PM

89. "RE: nah dude stay away from this head (pause)"
In response to Reply # 86

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Tue Mar-17-15 05:56 PM

91. "Im not interested in your other one. Sorry, dude."
In response to Reply # 89

>>
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fuck you.

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Tue Mar-17-15 05:57 PM

92. "Yeah guy"
In response to Reply # 91

>>>
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Ted Gee Seal
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Tue Mar-17-15 05:33 PM

78. "Repentance is a fair pre-requisite for forgiveness."
In response to Reply # 53

Repentance means nothing if it is simply verbal with no steps taken to make amends and improve. In many cases, even the verbal threshold hasn't been crossed yet.

Just IMO though.

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SoWhat
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Tue Mar-17-15 05:43 PM

83. "Repent and sin no more (c) Jesus."
In response to Reply # 78

the sinning no more is the key part of that equation.

fuck you.

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Jon
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Wed Mar-18-15 12:34 PM

261. "repentence is kinda empty tho if you don't know what for"
In response to Reply # 78

A lot of white ppl don't get it, so repentance would be disingenuous. For them to get it, they need to be open to hearing the truth. When you speak truth within the context of love, ie: Cornell West's usual MO, it has a better chance of penetrating because it doesn't send the defenses up.

But to digress, repentance is a funny word anyhow. The average white person will always have a hard time saying "I have sinned against you because I am white and I am sorry will you please forgive me?" I donno, maybe, but I'm not seeing it happening.

But we can be led to accept the notion of whiteness being an advantage, blackness a disadvantage, deep systemic racism having huge effects today, understand the erosive subtle racism, and the need to eventually somehow reject the concept or institution of Whiteness. We can be led to fight against the damage and lies that the myth of whiteness was invented to perpetuate.

I don't know too many serious people with any self dignity who will be like "I am so sorry for racism and whiteness, please forgive me black person." I don't think that would help anything. Not sure that was what's meant by repentance, but just in case. That's probably very unrealistic and very few people would take someone seriously who said that.

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Ted Gee Seal
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Wed Mar-18-15 01:21 PM

269. "In a country with "In God We Trust" on the dollar, folks have to do bett..."
In response to Reply # 261

I don't know why a person saying sorry for being white would be the logical conclusion to what I was saying, but I'll bite.

41 “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42 For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, 43 I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.’

44 “They also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?’

45 “He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’

^^ notice this says nothing about those who have to depart being the cause of the hunger, thirst, or any of the need. At least, not in the first instance. There's definitely an inference though, that people are told to depart because, if they allow others to go hungry, thirsty, and ill, then they are responsible.

Not every white person is directly responsible for racism and its effects, but most have a hand in allowing it to continue, especially because you actually have Black people crying out for change, and I'm sorry, as whites do (or not do) to them, whites do to Jesus.

I apply the same logic here to the Maori and reparations. I've fully supported the process towards restorative justice and Maori being compensated for injustices suffered at the hands of Pakeha. I had no direct hand in it, neither did my ancestors who came to NZ way too late. But I see the need and I see the injustice and I know that (and you know what, I'm not even white) I've profited off of advantages I've gained in this environment that has been able to build at their expense. So I take on my share of that injustice and apply that to the way I vote and what causes I support. I don't even think that's enough in terms of what I could be contributing, but there appears to be a huge inability among many whites in America to even look further beyond repentance being uttering the words "I'm sorry for being white."

If the problem is that enormous again, I don't see that forgiveness needs to be offered first without repentance on the part of the other party.

Just IMO though.

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Wed Mar-18-15 08:04 PM

283. "Got it. Like I said, I wasn't sure which way"
In response to Reply # 269

you and some others meant "rependence" so I wasn't trying to put any words in mouths, just expressing that caveat in case.

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Wed Mar-18-15 08:27 PM

287. "Jon you are doing well. "
In response to Reply # 283

You don't have to keep explaining yourself to people that want to parse and nitpick words and definitions to help justify a position.

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"And the Lord’s servant must not be quarrelsome but must be kind to everyone, able to teach, not resentful." ~ 2 Tim 2:4

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Wed Mar-18-15 08:40 PM

288. "Of course he doesn't have to explain himself"
In response to Reply # 287

>You don't have to keep explaining yourself to people that
>want to parse and nitpick words and definitions to help
>justify a position.
>

But it speaks to his character if he's prepared to try hard to help people understand, rather than act like a child and call people names because he's incapable of explaining himself.

Guess he actually believes in trying to extend the olive branch, rather than just paying lip service to it for an agenda.

Just IMO though.

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289. "genuine respect to both of you"
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Wed Mar-18-15 09:25 PM

290. "Thanks Jon. "
In response to Reply # 289

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"And the Lord’s servant must not be quarrelsome but must be kind to everyone, able to teach, not resentful." ~ 2 Tim 2:4

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Joe Corn Mo
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Tue Mar-17-15 05:11 PM

63. "and THIS is why the church is an outdated social club. "
In response to Reply # 49

just like MLK predicted from Birmingham Jail.

MLK was not about turning the other cheek.
he practiced non-violent resistance. he was not a forgiving coon,
like you ppl make him out to be.

the love of MLK was about loving your brothers and sisters
enough to challenge the powerful institutions that are
fucking your neighbor over.

his message was not for Blacks to forgive injustice.

his message was for Blacks and whites to hate injustice
and to do whatever is necessary to fix it.

even if that means using non-violent resistance against a
militarized police force and demanding that injustices be made right.

the idea that his message was about forgiveness is disrespectful to his legacy, and tbh, it's one of the reasons the church is irrelevant in
young ppl's lives.

yes, i am bringing your faith into it.

because this bullshit you are talking now
pops up in every church i work with.

if MLK could see his legacy, he would be ashamed.
jesus, would be ashamed if he saw this, too.

his message was not about passive forgiveness in the face of injustice, either.
the fact that so many ppl think it was falls on you.

preacher.

>.
>.
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>"Today is your day to have a better life -- it's your right."

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SHAstayhighalways
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Tue Mar-17-15 05:35 PM

79. "exactly."
In response to Reply # 63

www.royallegacy.org

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hBRoCPO8esE

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wluv
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Tue Mar-17-15 06:01 PM

97. "...and thus endeth the lesson"
In response to Reply # 63

well stated

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Ted Gee Seal
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Tue Mar-17-15 06:02 PM

98. "."
In response to Reply # 63

Just IMO though.

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101. "*carries out the James Brown robe*"
In response to Reply # 63

fuck you.

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Tue Mar-17-15 07:05 PM

122. "#dead"
In response to Reply # 101

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teefiveten
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Tue Mar-17-15 06:31 PM

112. "yup."
In response to Reply # 63

everyone wants to think the church wasn't basically where everything was spread and communicated and acted upon in the Civil Rights Movement

Church bombings? Hello? the KKK being a Christian Org?

the movement away from the church being that soil for social change changed everything

all they do now is advocate against themselves under the guise of moral superiority and conservatism. throw in that bullshit ass prosperity preaching and megachurches and you now have folks focused on getting rich than helping others and themselves not be poor

i think Catholics try to be more active because priests take a vow of poverty but if it isn't greed, it's sex that will ultimately take a human down

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Tue Mar-17-15 07:42 PM

129. "BOOM!"
In response to Reply # 63

____________________________

FUCK DONALD TRUMP

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Case_One
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Tue Mar-17-15 09:47 PM

147. "You are attempting to link three subjects into one argument"
In response to Reply # 63
Tue Mar-17-15 09:48 PM by Case_One

>just like MLK predicted from Birmingham Jail.
>
>
>MLK was not about turning the other cheek.
>he practiced non-violent resistance. he was not a forgiving
>coon,
>like you ppl make him out to be.
>
>the love of MLK was about loving your brothers and sisters
>enough to challenge the powerful institutions that are
>fucking your neighbor over.
>
>his message was not for Blacks to forgive injustice.
>
>his message was for Blacks and whites to hate injustice
>and to do whatever is necessary to fix it.
>
>even if that means using non-violent resistance against a
>militarized police force and demanding that injustices be made
>right.
>
>
>the idea that his message was about forgiveness is
>disrespectful to his legacy, and tbh, it's one of the reasons
>the church is irrelevant in
>young ppl's lives.
>
>yes, i am bringing your faith into it.
>
>because this bullshit you are talking now
>pops up in every church i work with.
>
>if MLK could see his legacy, he would be ashamed.
>jesus, would be ashamed if he saw this, too.
>
>his message was not about passive forgiveness in the face of
>injustice, either.
>the fact that so many ppl think it was falls on you.
>
>preacher.
>
>

The Subject of forgiveness, the church, and MLK. Ohm and then you tired to throw Jesus in the the matter on the tail end. When in fact Jesus taught forgiveness, which is in fact based on the Love of God and was the first thing he asked God to do for those who crucified him " Father Forgive them, for they no not what they do."

Ind addition, Jesus taught his disciples to forgive those who offend you, harmed you, and wronged you. And when asked how many times, Jesus responded by telling his disciples up to 7 x's 70, which was a number that proved to forgiveness has not limit - even with injustice.

See, your rambling sounds good to the unlearned and biblically illiterate, but you are wrong.

But I'll go one further, MLK took on the non violent approach from Mahatma Gandhi, he took on the non violent approach from Jesus. Jesus' teaching is the foundation of the Church. So when you say Jesus would be ashamed you are not correct. Jesus would be proud of those who can forgive and move to the center of his teaching which included love and forgiveness.

And as for the relevance of the Church in young peoples lives, the topic forgiveness is not a factor that is not relative to the low numbers.
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"Today is your day to have a better life -- it's your right."

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Joe Corn Mo
Member since Aug 29th 2010
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Wed Mar-18-15 05:12 AM

183. "you are only meek when it's convenient. "
In response to Reply # 147

when you have something to say about gay ppl or transgender ppl
or kids listening to rap music or kids sagging their pants
or kids having sex or whatever else you wring your hands about,
you aren't meek at all.

you won't shut the fuck up about your christian morals
and how you will not stand silent.

but the mere thought of the church having a role of challenging ppl
WITH power now reveals a different case_one.
now you trott out the lines about the importance of eternal forgiveness.

you're all rah rah when it comes to
preaching at me temperance and sexual sin and all that bullshit.

but where is the church when the revolution needs some sh

okay, let me stop.

but if you've ever wondered why i think you are
hypocritical, fork tounged snake, that's why.

now tell me i'm the devil for telling the truth.
go ahead and take the last word if you want it, i'm out.

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Case_One
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Wed Mar-18-15 06:30 AM

186. "This isn't about me and you're not telling the truth. "
In response to Reply # 183
Wed Mar-18-15 06:32 AM by Case_One

But check this out, I'm good on all the unneeded back and forth, fake me out debates and personal attacks. You can keep that to yourself.

If I were to stand on a single matter of sin, that's what I'm going to do, but that's not what I do. But if it was, that's not your business. I'm not obligated to meet your checklist of things to be discussed. I'm obligated to move my the Spirit and the burden. And love is not limited to,only dealing with what makes people feel good or comfortable. So please end the the personal digging and attacks because they're not necessary.

Nevertheless, I support Common and his perspective - which is just one of many. And he has a point.

Forgiveness is needed and it's not for the benefit of the offender, it's for the health of the offended. And when peopl couple that with the love of God real healing and change will take place.

God bless you. Have an amazing day.

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"Today is your day to have a better life -- it's your right."

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guru0509
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Wed Mar-18-15 11:45 AM

249. "the concept of Ahimsa was around 2000+ years before Jesus. "
In response to Reply # 147

the nonviolence aspect of his beliefs was derived strictly from Hinduism, Jainism and Buddhism.

wrong as usual.

he may have said nice things about jesus (like he did about every religion) but that about it.

>>just like MLK predicted from Birmingham Jail.
>>
>>
>>MLK was not about turning the other cheek.
>>he practiced non-violent resistance. he was not a forgiving
>>coon,
>>like you ppl make him out to be.
>>
>>the love of MLK was about loving your brothers and sisters
>>enough to challenge the powerful institutions that are
>>fucking your neighbor over.
>>
>>his message was not for Blacks to forgive injustice.
>>
>>his message was for Blacks and whites to hate injustice
>>and to do whatever is necessary to fix it.
>>
>>even if that means using non-violent resistance against a
>>militarized police force and demanding that injustices be
>made
>>right.
>>
>>
>>the idea that his message was about forgiveness is
>>disrespectful to his legacy, and tbh, it's one of the
>reasons
>>the church is irrelevant in
>>young ppl's lives.
>>
>>yes, i am bringing your faith into it.
>>
>>because this bullshit you are talking now
>>pops up in every church i work with.
>>
>>if MLK could see his legacy, he would be ashamed.
>>jesus, would be ashamed if he saw this, too.
>>
>>his message was not about passive forgiveness in the face of
>>injustice, either.
>>the fact that so many ppl think it was falls on you.
>>
>>preacher.
>>
>>
>
>
>The Subject of forgiveness, the church, and MLK. Ohm and then
>you tired to throw Jesus in the the matter on the tail end.
>When in fact Jesus taught forgiveness, which is in fact based
>on the Love of God and was the first thing he asked God to do
>for those who crucified him " Father Forgive them, for they no
>not what they do."
>
>Ind addition, Jesus taught his disciples to forgive those who
>offend you, harmed you, and wronged you. And when asked how
>many times, Jesus responded by telling his disciples up to 7
>x's 70, which was a number that proved to forgiveness has not
>limit - even with injustice.
>
>
>See, your rambling sounds good to the unlearned and biblically
>illiterate, but you are wrong.
>
>But I'll go one further, MLK took on the non violent approach
>from Mahatma Gandhi, he took on the non violent approach from
>Jesus. Jesus' teaching is the foundation of the Church. So
>when you say Jesus would be ashamed you are not correct. Jesus
>would be proud of those who can forgive and move to the center
>of his teaching which included love and forgiveness.
>
>
>And as for the relevance of the Church in young peoples lives,
>the topic forgiveness is not a factor that is not relative to
>the low numbers.
>.
>.
>.
>"Today is your day to have a better life -- it's your right."

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I wanna go to where the martyrs went
the brown figures on the walls of my apart-a-ment...

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Case_One
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Wed Mar-18-15 04:40 PM

276. "And God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit have been around before time began. "
In response to Reply # 249

.
.
.
"And the Lord’s servant must not be quarrelsome but must be kind to everyone, able to teach, not resentful." ~ 2 Tim 2:4

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guru0509
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Wed Mar-18-15 04:51 PM

277. "Wrong."
In response to Reply # 276

-------------------
I wanna go to where the martyrs went
the brown figures on the walls of my apart-a-ment...

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Case_One
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Wed Mar-18-15 07:23 PM

280. "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God"
In response to Reply # 277

and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning. Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. In him was life, and that life was the light of all mankind. The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it.

BAM, BAM, BAM!

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.
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"And the Lord’s servant must not be quarrelsome but must be kind to everyone, able to teach, not resentful." ~ 2 Tim 2:4

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guru0509
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Wed Mar-18-15 09:50 PM

294. "Nah."
In response to Reply # 280

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I wanna go to where the martyrs went
the brown figures on the walls of my apart-a-ment...

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Ashy Achilles
Member since Sep 22nd 2005
4548 posts

Fri Mar-20-15 09:05 AM

328. "*catches holy ghost*"
In response to Reply # 63

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initiationofplato
Member since Nov 06th 2013
2420 posts

Tue Mar-17-15 10:12 PM

152. "I'd say given the reality, black people are"
In response to Reply # 49

the most forgiving people on the planet.

I would be LOSING MY DAMN mind if I were you.

~Experience is the currency of the soul.

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Binlahab
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Tue Mar-17-15 04:49 PM

55. "we have been turning the other cheek for 400+ yrs."
In response to Reply # 0

Fuck that.

#firethistime

does it really matter?

wonder what bin's doing?
http://i.imgur.com/phECCMp.jpg

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SoWhat
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Tue Mar-17-15 04:54 PM

56. "'let's forget about the past as much as we can and move forward from her..."
In response to Reply # 0

'can we help each other? can you try to help us b/c we're gonna help ourselves'.

(c) Common, paraphrased.

hellz.
no.

fuck you.

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wluv
Member since Jan 27th 2003
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Tue Mar-17-15 05:23 PM

69. "yall know he's just being pc"
In response to Reply # 0

to stay in good gracious with hollywood.

They showing him alot of love right now he's not trying to eff up that future money.

But any fool knows that that line of thinking is naive and ineffective on many levels.

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SoWhat
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Tue Mar-17-15 05:25 PM

71. "I hope so."
In response to Reply # 69

fuck you.

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rdhull
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Tue Mar-17-15 05:59 PM

94. "Finding Forever cover art"
In response to Reply # 69

>to stay in good gracious with hollywood.
>
>They showing him alot of love right now he's not trying to eff
>up that future money.
>
>But any fool knows that that line of thinking is naive and
>ineffective on many levels.

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ConcreteCharlie
Member since Nov 21st 2002
71387 posts

Tue Mar-17-15 06:27 PM

111. "I am sure he softened what he really thinks but I am curious as to what"
In response to Reply # 69

people prefer over a cooperative mindset to further understanding and increase cohesion between different groups.

And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

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wluv
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Tue Mar-17-15 07:00 PM

118. "RE: I am sure he softened what he really thinks but I am curious as to w..."
In response to Reply # 111

>people prefer over a cooperative mindset to further
>understanding and increase cohesion between different groups.
>
I think part of it starts with acknowledgement of both sides of a f*cked up systemic system. Then talk about solutions.

Allowing the person you want to hear you to be dismissive to the premise of the problem solves nothing. There's no productive discussion that can come from that. Youre just spinning wheels.

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ConcreteCharlie
Member since Nov 21st 2002
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Tue Mar-17-15 07:04 PM

121. "I'm not sure that was what he was advocating exactly though"
In response to Reply # 118

I mean it's unclear and I can understand your inference, but how much drilling about the wrongs can be productive? On the flipside, there are a lot of clueless ass white people who are still pretty nonchalant about racism and the legacy thereof. So I guess there has to be a balance of browbeating and looking forward.

And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

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wluv
Member since Jan 27th 2003
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Tue Mar-17-15 08:02 PM

135. "he wasnt advocating anything but forgiveness"
In response to Reply # 121

>I mean it's unclear and I can understand your inference, but
>how much drilling about the wrongs can be productive? On the
>flipside, there are a lot of clueless ass white people who are
>still pretty nonchalant about racism and the legacy thereof.
>So I guess there has to be a balance of browbeating and
>looking forward.

I was just pushing the conversation forward. Just general discussion.

I work around and interact with white people everyday and im cool with them for the most part.

But there are injustices going on in this country everyday that they don't have to think about that i do.

And no i wouldn't browbeat a person into agreeing with me but its silly to think black folks initiating handshakes will have any impact on eradicating racism. And i thought that was what Common was implying, even if he was just trying to be pc.

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SHAstayhighalways
Member since Sep 03rd 2014
3696 posts

Tue Mar-17-15 05:25 PM

72. "niggas is acting like black people been walking around slapping "
In response to Reply # 0

white people.
BLACK FOLKS were the ones weeping uncle tom tears at the mere suggestion of that by dead prez
and y'all agree with this fuck shit that we need to extend our hand in love??
you motherfuckers make me damn sick

our protests be meek as all fuck (hands up, sit in, die in, etc)
the fuck y'all want us to do
send our white neighbors gift cards to TGIFridays?
the fuck does that shit even mean extend our hand in love
fuck outta here common
and anybody who agrees
get the entire fuck out of here.

www.royallegacy.org

For Real (Official Video):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hBRoCPO8esE

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SoWhat
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Tue Mar-17-15 05:51 PM

84. "stop talking about the past injustices."
In response to Reply # 72

Stop demanding apologies and reparations. Move forward from where we are now today. Stop extending fists - extend our hands in love.

That shit only makes sense to multimillionaires who work primarily with non-black ppl and have lost their connection to everyday, regular ppl. They think that bc whitey doesn't call them nigger to their face all racism must be easily conquered if only everyone could live like them. I can't even make that shit up to ridicule it - it's that fucking ludicrous. I bet even Com from 10 yrs ago would roll his eyes - let alone Com from 20 yrs ago. He's clearly changed - he'd say grown. Poor thing.

fuck you.

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SHAstayhighalways
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Tue Mar-17-15 06:26 PM

110. "shit 20 years ago common was 'breathing heavy like an old man' "
In response to Reply # 84

at the sight of interracial relationships
i don't know this common smh
i shoulda known that nigga was on some other shit when he co-signed peta

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ambient1
Member since May 23rd 2007
41077 posts

Tue Mar-17-15 06:14 PM

105. "co- got damn -sign"
In response to Reply # 72

=======================================
Coolin...

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Crash Bandacoot
Member since May 13th 2003
10119 posts

Tue Mar-17-15 08:22 PM

138. "agreed."
In response to Reply # 72
Tue Mar-17-15 08:26 PM by Crash Bandacoot

i'm done with common...my like for him has dwindled the past few
years anyway. i'm done with him and anyone like him.

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even when it may exceed its effective scope."

"Roll me further bitch"

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Joe Corn Mo
Member since Aug 29th 2010
15139 posts

Tue Mar-17-15 08:42 PM

140. "i am crying laughing at this..."
In response to Reply # 72

>our protests be meek as all fuck (hands up, sit in, die in,
>etc)
>the fuck y'all want us to do
>send our white neighbors gift cards to TGIFridays?
>the fuck does that shit even mean extend our hand in love
>fuck outta here common

lol

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zaire
Member since Aug 17th 2003
2533 posts

Wed Mar-18-15 09:17 AM

221. "akin to white folk saying "Stop The Cycle", with no skin in the game"
In response to Reply # 72

Its hoe shit to say "lets forget about the past", especially when you know that shit is on repeat

Com is a smart-dumb nigga, but he AT LEAST HE should know that racism aint goin nowhere

a cop is going to shoot another black kid in some city within the next few hours, lets extend our love to him :/

Com minus well said 'Lets extend our love to white people thru White Jesus'

people would still defend him

fuck him, cornball

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Bombastic
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Tue Mar-17-15 05:54 PM

88. "Gifted like Christmas so I love to rap, we gonna give it to the world,"
In response to Reply # 0

Peace, Love and Gap.

https://soundcloud.com/matt-koelling-666011203

www.somethinginthewudder.com

https://twitter.com/nostrabombus

https://www.facebook.com/matt.koelling.96

https://www.instagram.com/something_in_the_wudder/

https://www.linkedin.com/in/matt-koelling-438a80

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astralblak
Member since Apr 05th 2007
20029 posts

Tue Mar-17-15 08:19 PM

137. "LULZ"
In response to Reply # 88

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Garhart Poppwell
Member since Nov 28th 2008
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Tue Mar-17-15 06:03 PM

99. "what do you expect someone emancipated from Hip Hop to say?"
In response to Reply # 0

And why are we surprised? He's been heading down this path for almost ten years now, but that's not an excuse for a black man to basically fault black people for being on the wrong end of institutionalized supremacy and having the brass to not take it smiling.

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FLUIDJ
Member since Sep 18th 2002
44615 posts

Tue Mar-17-15 06:06 PM

102. "I'm blaming Badu for this."
In response to Reply # 0

dude been spiraling downhill slowly every since....

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vee-lover
Member since Jul 30th 2007
20388 posts

Tue Mar-17-15 06:08 PM

104. "Shid did you listen to 'New Amerykah pt.1?' "
In response to Reply # 102

>dude been spiraling downhill slowly every since....

grassrootsphilosopher

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Atillah Moor
Member since Sep 05th 2013
13825 posts

Tue Mar-17-15 06:19 PM

106. "Ha-- HaHa-- HaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHa!!!!!"
In response to Reply # 0

*wipes eye*

______________________________________

Everything looks like Oprah kissing Harvey Weinstein these days

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kinetic94761180
Member since Jul 05th 2002
17857 posts

Tue Mar-17-15 06:21 PM

107. "black men walking-"
In response to Reply # 0

w/ white girls on they arms
i be mad at 'em, as if I know they moms
told to go beyond the surface, a person's a person
when we lessen our women our condition seem to worsen

evolved?
or was this that beginning?

i never quite knew how to figure if he was speaking for or against here....

_____________
if racism is a cancer, black thought is the answer.

Rjcc is code for "bitch-ass troll"

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RaphaelSoulLee
Member since May 21st 2003
3765 posts

Wed Mar-18-15 08:48 AM

210. "When he was on Letterman ten years ago...he omitted that"
In response to Reply # 107
Wed Mar-18-15 08:51 AM by RaphaelSoulLee

verse. I was like hmmm

Favorite song on the album...btw

It takes all kinds to make up a world, son. -My pops

I just live for the comments -Da wiz

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kinetic94761180
Member since Jul 05th 2002
17857 posts

Wed Mar-18-15 02:31 PM

273. "RE: Favorite song on the album...btw"
In response to Reply # 210

me too.

wasn't aware of the letterman interview-

_____________
if racism is a cancer, black thought is the answer.

Rjcc is code for "bitch-ass troll"

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thegodcam
Member since Oct 22nd 2004
41497 posts

Tue Mar-17-15 06:34 PM

113. "i always felt Common & Nas graduated from the same school of thought"
In response to Reply # 0

i use big "conscious" words in my rhymes but i really aint that deep...

in a lot of their interviews when they r asked to expound on their political thought, they often make me cringe.... whereas the "hustle" rappers like Jay & 50 r way better at articulating concise ideas during their interviews... imo

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vee-lover
Member since Jul 30th 2007
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Tue Mar-17-15 06:51 PM

117. "Damn, bruh, I hate to say it but I'm in 100% agreement"
In response to Reply # 113

>i use big "conscious" words in my rhymes but i really aint
>that deep...
>
>in a lot of their interviews when they r asked to expound on
>their political thought, they often make me cringe.... whereas
>the "hustle" rappers like Jay & 50 r way better at
>articulating concise ideas during their interviews... imo

grassrootsphilosopher

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SHAstayhighalways
Member since Sep 03rd 2014
3696 posts

Tue Mar-17-15 07:02 PM

119. "you have a hard on for nas."
In response to Reply # 113

www.royallegacy.org

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zaire
Member since Aug 17th 2003
2533 posts

Wed Mar-18-15 08:56 AM

212. "^^true. Them niggas sound like 8th graders in the 80s on interviews"
In response to Reply # 113

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TheVillageIdiot
Member since Aug 02nd 2006
357 posts

Wed Mar-18-15 08:59 AM

213. "yeah cuz Jay-Z's idea"
In response to Reply # 113

>in a lot of their interviews when they r asked to expound on
>their political thought, they often make me cringe.... whereas
>the "hustle" rappers like Jay & 50 r way better at
>articulating concise ideas during their interviews... imo

that hip hop can end racism is so much better than this.

"It's a strong one," he warns of his opinion, before laying it out. "I think that hip hop has done more for racial relations than most cultural icons. Save Martin Luther King, because his dream speech we realized when President Obama got elected."

"It's very difficult to teach racism when your kid looks up to Snoop Doggy Dogg."

Before, people partied in separate clubs. There were hip-hop clubs and there were techno clubs," Jay-Z explains. "Now, people party together, and once you have people partying, dancing, and singing along to the same music, then conversations naturally happen after that."

i mean those are all such well thought ideas grounded in reality. *sarcasm*

The village idiot will come forth
To be acclaimed the leader

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Jon
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Tue Mar-17-15 06:41 PM

114. "I think some of u are under rating the tactical side of it"
In response to Reply # 0

Let me report from the inside for a sec, with regard to the "white realm" lol. Most convos I have with other white ppl about race, with no non-whites around...first of all, I personally hardly ever hear slurs or n-words (it feels shocking when I do, but I digress)...The most common thing you find is that there's a serious wall of racial defensiveness among even the most golden wonderful people which blocks a lot of critical tough aspects of the truth from being heard. Nobody (including each of you reading this) who has any amount of self worth, is going to give half a second of consideration to any notion that you're the villain or that your own pain doesn't count.

Whenever talking to white ppl about race, employed ppl about the unemployed, unemployed about undocumented, etc, I've always found it critical to first establish a sense of shared suffering or at least help someone see that they personally aren't automatically the villain.

If you care at all about white ppl acknowledging a fuller spectrum of racial injustice beyond "slavery was bad and its gone", its impossible to open anyone's mind if they themselves have to feel like the soulless enemy of the good people.

I know I'm opening my white ass to all kinds of cliche attacks and dismissals, and I probably didn't type shit with the same nuance that I think about it, but my general point is you have to feel accepted by the "good guys" to even entertain the notion of systemic favor/etc for ppl of your x-type, ESPECIALLY when a dozen other variables got you on the shit end of the stick. That's why its so much harder for broke ass white ppl to accept the notion of racism still existing than it is for well-to-do white ppl. That's why you got all these trailer park types voting against their own interests, while all these wealthy liberal Harvard types can accept the label of privilege with ease. The hurting white person is gonna flock to whichever side acknowledges their struggle and will harbor intense close-minded resentment toward anyone who suggests their fucked-over ass is the bad guy.

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lfresh
Member since Jun 18th 2002
92696 posts

Tue Mar-17-15 07:54 PM

132. ":|"
In response to Reply # 114

I get it
It sounds pandering frankly
And it's not like it's not something black folks gave had to do for centuries anyway just to survive

It feels like a step back to put that mask on of niceness to cater to white fragility

Also
I have noticed that black folks who try this approach
Or seem to take that "lets hear both sides" crap too far
IE:Obama, Oprah

Or just completely go over the edge
Cosby, Carson

In actuality don't actually get it

So yes I have the gas face for they don't want to be the bad guy
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Jon
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Tue Mar-17-15 08:52 PM

141. "its sad that pandering and ass-kissing is all you read"
In response to Reply # 132
Tue Mar-17-15 09:04 PM by Jon

You're either bothered by white ignorance, denial and indifference to racial injustice or you're not.

If you are, I assume you want to reach white ppl. That doesn't mean tell them what they want to hear or change history to match the lies they were taught. I'm not talking about pandering, I'm talking about persuasion and genuine conversion.

You can't convert a closed mind. You can't browbeat a mind open. Change requires vulnerability. Vulnerability requires love. Common Sense

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lfresh
Member since Jun 18th 2002
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Tue Mar-17-15 09:40 PM

143. "It us what it is"
In response to Reply # 141

>You're either bothered by white ignorance, denial and
>indifference to racial injustice or you're not.

You don't seem to be, so you're right.

>If you are, I assume you want to reach white ppl. That doesn't
>mean tell them what they want to hear or change history to
>match the lies they were taught. I'm not talking about
>pandering, I'm talking about persuasion and genuine
>conversion.

I'm not so sure you are
You said it yourself the roots of denial are deep and yall never want to hear that. Now your saying don't change history? History has and continues to be manipulated

http://gizmodo.com/nypd-caught-editing-wikipedia-articles-on-police-brutal-1691267182/1691915415/+knibbs

But let's walk in and give them hugs?

Btw president Obama is actually doing this your way like I've said
His treatment has only gotten worse

>You can't convert a closed mind. You can't browbeat a mind
>open. Change requires vulnerability. Vulnerability requires
>love. Common Sense

Actually no not really
That's sparing the rod to spoil the child. The child remains spoilt with soft showing around sticky areas like we cpactually gave been doing as a country for decades. This HAS been the soft approach.
Great progress in the past 50 years
Republicans have managed to dial the clock BACK
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Jon
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Tue Mar-17-15 09:47 PM

146. "you stay twisting my words to fit your straw punching bag"
In response to Reply # 143

But it makes sense, because you're probably more comfortable with resentment than results

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lfresh
Member since Jun 18th 2002
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Tue Mar-17-15 10:00 PM

150. "Nothing is being twisted"
In response to Reply # 146

#148 is right

White fragility is real
And catering to it
As HAS been done
No good can come of it except for what gas happened further denial further entrenchment and further coddling.
It's time for folks to finally grow up and face history, the present and the consequences.
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Jon
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Tue Mar-17-15 10:33 PM

155. "you're still conflating very different concepts"
In response to Reply # 150

Pandering/coddling/agreeing-with-lies/ass-kissing

Vs

Persuasion/truth-telling/love

You crave a purely adversarial catharsis of smiting the bad race in a grand ejaculation of righteous juice.

That's a fantasy killing your ability to find justice.

But justice would then beg peace, which I don't think you can stomach.

And you completely twisted and flipped inside-out what I meant by the "changing history" line.

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lfresh
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Tue Mar-17-15 10:53 PM

158. "Actually I'm not "
In response to Reply # 155
Tue Mar-17-15 10:53 PM by lfresh

But I can see that being honest comes across to you as

"Adversarial, smithing, fantasy, killing"

You might want to work on that

And stop expecting me to do the work for you
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Jon
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Wed Mar-18-15 02:27 AM

180. "yes you are."
In response to Reply # 158

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lfresh
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Wed Mar-18-15 07:01 AM

191. "No, I'm not"
In response to Reply # 180

You realize you are still arguing for yet another white pass
Calling it 'tactical' like it hasn't bern done and isn't being done

Nothing is being twisted
There is no "Adversarial, smithing, fantasy, killing"

This is you right here
Right now
Expecting us in here to do the work you clearly are not equipped or prepared to do

And since you aren't and cannot do this
With little to no understanding of history or the present of how black people have been dealing with racism

Yall are literally being dealt with with kid gloves
As toddlers
But no
Give us hugs and pats on the back

As if the current structure that give accolades
The current complaints about LBJ in Selma as 'untrue' he wasn't enough of a hero
Isn't enough of the most recent example
No
You say more!
More!

Dude
You cannot be taken seriously
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DaHeathenOne76
Member since May 11th 2003
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Wed Mar-18-15 07:39 AM

198. "This exchange was perfect"
In response to Reply # 191

White fragility in full bloom

Whitesplaining and derailing with education.

You basically said to LFresh if you want white people to chance stop being so mean.

Ugh
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lfresh
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Wed Mar-18-15 09:12 AM

216. "this mofo"
In response to Reply # 198
Wed Mar-18-15 09:12 AM by lfresh

talking about "them"

no mofo
YOU
YOUR DUMB ASS

take your 'ambassador' ass back to yt folks, YOUR folk and go tussle with them mofos
instead of sitting here tryna direct shit

white splainin ass moro

can you believe his ass girl?
the gall
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SoWhat
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Wed Mar-18-15 09:18 AM

222. "Your mind is not open. "
In response to Reply # 216

Stop making good white folk uncomfortable!

fuck you.

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lfresh
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Wed Mar-18-15 09:33 AM

229. "isn't it sad that i only read pandering?"
In response to Reply # 222

something is wrong with me
something is wrong with us
can't we see him trying?
look at him trying so patiently with lowly not understanding us
that angel
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Wed Mar-18-15 09:45 AM

232. "We make it hard for good white folk!!"
In response to Reply # 229

fuck you.

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lfresh
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Wed Mar-18-15 10:02 AM

236. "i'm so ashamed"
In response to Reply # 232

forgot the pillows and tissue
white tears flow so easily
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Jon
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Wed Mar-18-15 07:54 AM

204. "RE: No, I'm not"
In response to Reply # 191

>You realize you are still arguing for yet another white pass
>Calling it 'tactical' like it hasn't bern done and isn't being
>done
:
Nope. When I speak to white people, I argue that racism is real, its NOT equal both ways, I try to explain how systemic shit works as well, how "past history" affects the present as well, how white privilege works.

I'm not advocating a pass.

>Right now
>Expecting us in here to do the work you clearly are not
>equipped or prepared to do
:
What work am I expecting you to do?

>And since you aren't and cannot do this
>With little to no understanding of history or the present of
>how black people have been dealing with racism
:
You have no blessed clue what I know or understand. Keep it on topic.

>Yall are literally being dealt with with kid gloves
>As toddlers
>But no
>Give us hugs and pats on the back
:
White people ARE being treated with kid gloves in a lot of ways. I totally agree. Particularly when it comes to hearing the truth and not some comfortable shit. Take someone like Cornel West for example (divisive figure that not everyone co-signs), but dude is constantly bringing up harsh truths for white people to accept, but he actually gets through to a lot of them because he also speaks in love.

White people ARE pandered to when it comes to racial issues. Pandering is not love. Common wasn't advocating that. And I'm just defending Commons train of thought, not standing here demanding or requesting y'all do anything. Just saying g "his words have tactical merit, because it can definitely help a lot of people open their minds"

>As if the current structure that give accolades
>The current complaints about LBJ in Selma as 'untrue' he
>wasn't enough of a hero
>Isn't enough of the most recent example
>No
>You say more!
>More!
:
When did I say more?

>Dude
>You cannot be taken seriously
>~~~~
>When you are born, you cry, and the world rejoices. Live so
>that when you die, you rejoice, and the world cries.
>~~~~
>You cannot hate people for their own good.

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Atillah Moor
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Wed Mar-18-15 08:31 AM

208. "This is America, love don't live here anymore. "
In response to Reply # 141
Wed Mar-18-15 08:35 AM by Atillah Moor

and never did.

______________________________________

Everything looks like Oprah kissing Harvey Weinstein these days

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lfresh
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Wed Mar-18-15 09:16 AM

219. "love is here"
In response to Reply # 208

its BEEN here
but "WE" are instructed to extend FURTHER
reach HARDER
because they don't get it
its OUR fault
WE just aint doing this right

right
sure
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Ted Gee Seal
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Wed Mar-18-15 08:22 PM

285. "It sounds like a bureaucracy administered by the oppressors"
In response to Reply # 132

White folks get to decide on what terms the issues are approached with the comfort of knowing they have veto power if the approach isn't Goldilocks levels of just right.

Sounds like a plan to construct another in a long assembly line of shiftable goalposts.

Just IMO though.

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AbdulJaleel
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Tue Mar-17-15 09:46 PM

145. "Racist ‘Runnin N*gger' Targets Sold At South Dakota Gun Show (swipe)"
In response to Reply # 114

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/03/17/racist-gun-show-targets_n_6888356.html?ncid=fcbklnkushpmg00000047

more black people want racism to end than whites

like i said, the hand on the top is better than the hand on the bottom

www.instagram.com/schemeofthings

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Tue Mar-17-15 10:50 PM

157. "obviously"
In response to Reply # 145

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jane eyre
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Tue Mar-17-15 09:51 PM

148. "RE: I think some of u are under rating the tactical side of it"
In response to Reply # 114
Tue Mar-17-15 09:56 PM by jane eyre

>Let me report from the inside for a sec, with regard to the
>"white realm" lol.

And let me report from REALITY (I wish there was an extra caps):

Black folks *know* about what you're "reporting." How? Because White folks show and tell you how and what they think, how and what they wish, how and what they want, in so many ways.

We get it.

Again. From REALITY. Not from Black people land.

REALITY.

>The most common thing you
>find is that there's a serious wall of racial defensiveness
>among even the most golden wonderful people which blocks a lot
>of critical tough aspects of the truth from being heard.

In REALITY, people see that. Get that. Understand. Not news.

So send a message, from REALITY, to White folks:

It might be helpful if White people worked on their racial defensiveness instead of asking the people they've oppressed to help them feel good and comfortable as a pre-condition for taking responsibility for their OWN actions, feelings, and perceptions.

>Nobody (including each of you reading this) who has any amount
>of self worth, is going to give half a second of consideration
>to any notion that you're the villain or that your own pain
>doesn't count. Whenever talking to white ppl about race, employed ppl about the unemployed, unemployed about undocumented, etc, I've
>always found it critical to first establish a sense of shared >suffering or at least help someone see that they personally
>aren't automatically the villain.

The suffering isn't shared. The suffering isn't the same. The suffering isn't "equal." The suffering isn't "like something else." The suffering isn't the kind of suffering that Whites and Blacks can "commiserate about," Beer Summit style.

In REALITY, what's critical to healing the wounds of injustice (for the oppressor and the oppressed) is the capacity for those who've *committed injustice* to empathize.

First.

Not ask those who've been oppressed to try to "understand" that the oppressor suffers, too. Not help the oppressor feel better.

Empathy is a choice one makes, on their own. It's not conditional or dependent on the behavior of others. That's why it's such a powerful phenomena.

But to empathize is too much like right; it may imply, from the beginning, that one demonstrates a willingness to take responsibility for the fact that it's possible that one could discover they've done wrong and should do something to make amends

In REALITY, people are usually empathetic because they CARE.

If someone's angry with me, an empathetic response doesn't ask them to not be angry.

Empathy is a hard thing to choose.

Please don't misunderstand me: I'm not asking White folks to have empathy, nor am I interested in "helping" them to be empathetic. Because if one can't muster up the common decency of empathy? Helping them is not my job, my place, my calling...

In REALITY, I think the system works because some Whites (well meaning, even) feel there's no reason to be empathetic or that empathy isn't an appropriate response.

>If you care at all about white ppl acknowledging a fuller
>spectrum of racial injustice beyond "slavery was bad and its
>gone", its impossible to open anyone's mind if they themselves
>have to feel like the soulless enemy of the good people.

I can't speak for all Black people.

Personally, I don't care if White people acknowledge a fuller spectrum of ANYTHING.

I don't want acknowledgment. I don't need to feel good. I don't care if White people feel good. I don't need an apology. I don't care if people's minds are open or not. I don't want to help people open their minds who know exactly what they're doing but plead ignorance as a way of propagating the very bullshit they deny.

Justice. Do the right thing. Stop actively and passively supporting and re-inforcing this oppressive, exploitative, violent, racist system.

Stop.

And guess what? We'll probably all feel better.

> but my general point is you have
>to feel accepted by the "good guys" to even entertain the
>notion of systemic favor/etc for ppl of your x-type

No. No you don't.

>The hurting white person is gonna
>flock to whichever side acknowledges their struggle and will
>harbor intense close-minded resentment toward anyone who
>suggests their fucked-over ass is the bad guy.

I recommend empathy, among other things.

Fucked over people can be racist. That's not difficult to see.

It's not about White folks and how White folks hurt--not like that.

It's about the people White folks (or rather the system White folks established and benefit from) have committed some injustice against.

To be empathetic humanizes "the other" and oneself.

The question isn't: oh but are Black people empathetic, too?

The key to empathy: can I see MYSELF in the another?

White folks, well meaning or otherwise, consistently send the message, in REALITY: NO.

Because as you've explained to us, so wonderfully, Black folks haven't made a "case" to be considered through an empathetic lens. There's always a reason: stop shouting, don't be so angry, don't blame, it's just a joke, people are misunderstanding, I'm suffering too blah blah.

That's an ignorant mindset and a perfect ingredient for racism and abuse of power, in my mind.

White folks shouldn't let Black folks stop them from being empathetic. And they should definitely stop making excuses for why they choose to not be empathetic.

I can't help White people with *anything* because helping my own is a full time job. And if White folks were more empathetic, they'd get that and likely be ashamed that such a "request" would come out of their mouths.

White people should absolutely stop blaming those who they oppress for their lack of empathy.

And absolutely absolutely stop telling the people they oppress that *their* needs and *their* version of the world is the one we must accept.

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Jon
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Tue Mar-17-15 11:54 PM

163. "I probably shouldn't waste my time with you but here I go"
In response to Reply # 148

>>Let me report from the inside for a sec, with regard to the
>>"white realm" lol.
>
>And let me report from REALITY (I wish there was an extra
>caps):
>
>Black folks *know* about what you're "reporting." How? Because
>White folks show and tell you how and what they think, how and
>what they wish, how and what they want, in so many ways.
>
>We get it.
>
>Again. From REALITY. Not from Black people land.
>
>REALITY.
:
Chill the entire fuck out. I wasn't claiming to know some secrets and shit trying to build bridges while you sit here trying to start beef over parsed words.

In reality, everything you typed below is so steeped in flame-throwing, emo-pandering, applause-whoring, non-comprehending, hairsplitting, forest-missing, tree fighting, punching-bag bootleg kung-fu style, straw man, battle-winning, keyboard venting, soft target catharsis seeking, bovine dung that I probably can't even converse with you if I punched myself in the face with your glory.

But real quick:

I never said everyone's suffering is equal. Certainly would never claim that being white brings equal BS as being black. That's dumb and you should know better. Or read better.

Because I also put the word "or" after the mention of suffering, because my point wasn't hinging on the idea of shared suffering of, say, exploited/intimidated broke white servants to african slaves, etc...the point wasn't dependent on that at ALL. Thus "or"

On empathy: No bloody fuckin shit. Everything you said. No fucking shit. Sherlock Holmes, ladies and gentlemen.

One critical little mind-blowing detail though: empathy requires actually being aware of the bad thing in the first place. Being aware of the bad thing requires being open to the truth. Acknowledging the truth requires HEARING the truth teller. How can anybody empathize about something they're ignorant about? If you don't believe white people are truly ignorant about the level of racial injustice that persists today, then I AM filling you in on SL!e shit you don't sarcastically know from "reality".

White ppl are largely ignorant because they were taught differently and (just like you) aren't about to spend 3 seconds listening to someone tell them they're the scourge of the planet. So they remain in a bubble of delusion and misunderstanding. I'm talking about penetrating that bubble. You flame me like Im talking about penetrating your mother. Penetrate yourself.

So many black people have asked me time and again why do I even subject myself to these issues and convos. I'm basically just a cheap punching bag unless I turn my spine completely off. White ppl need to give a shit. You make it incredibly unlikely most ever will. You fucking wouldn't.

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jane eyre
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Wed Mar-18-15 01:24 AM

173. "RE: I probably shouldn't waste my time with you but here I go"
In response to Reply # 163

>One critical little mind-blowing detail though: empathy
>requires actually being aware of the bad thing in the first
>place.

I tried, in my response, to make you aware of the "bad thing."

>Being aware of the bad thing requires being open to the
>truth.

You don't seem open.

And that's okay. It really is.

Most White people aren't.

The world keeps spinning.

>Acknowledging the truth requires HEARING the truth teller.

I spoke.

>How can anybody empathize about something they're ignorant about?

It can be uncomfortable, yes.

But understanding isn't a pre-requisite for being empathetic. Empathy, in fact, helps one *to* understand. Find their way.

>If you don't believe white people are truly ignorant about the ?>level of racial injustice that persists today, then I AM filling >you in on SL!e shit you don't sarcastically know from "reality".

I think "White ignorance" is a willed, chosen, misinterpretation that Whites have about the world and their OWN actions and thoughts, which attempt to reinforce the benefits of White supremacists power dynamics, often enjoyed because others suffer.

Read: "I thought he had a gun."

Well. No. No s/he didn't.

In REALITY.

>White ppl are largely ignorant because they were taught
>differently and (just like you) aren't about to spend 3
>seconds listening to someone tell them they're the scourge of
>the planet.

Taught different? For sure.

Not just like me.

I *will* listen to someone tell me I'm awful and bad and the scourge of the planet. Perfectly fine to do so. I'm an American....there's an earful and a half out there about me.

But maybe navigating receiving negative feedback and processing it, has to do with how *I* was raised. I had a Mama and a Daddy and uncles and aunts who would tell me about myself at the drop of a dime. I have experience navigating it.

>So they remain in a bubble of delusion and misunderstanding.

That's unfortunate.

>I'm talking about penetrating that bubble.

Me, too. I have little hope that it can happen.

Reality, again.

>So many black people have asked me time and again why do I
>even subject myself to these issues and convos.

I don't know those Black people.

Me? I'm Black.

And I assumed that you were making a comment because you were interested, in some way, in bridging the racial divide. Assumed.

Of course, I can't say for sure what your motivations were.

I gave you my feedback because your comments indicated that you didn't understand something about the nature of the racial divide.

I would think you'd be interested in someone saying that you were wrong or misunderstood as you were ironically informing "us" that we were.

>I'm basically just a cheap punching bag unless I turn my spine >completely off.

It sounds like listening to my kind of feedback makes you feel powerless.

Please also understand re: that kind of feedback-- it's not about you.

>White ppl need to give a shit.

Mmm. I don't know. I guess. I don't know if that's the answer.

How hard is it not to, say, shoot unarmed Black people who haven't committed a crime?

I think White people need to come to terms with the possibility that it's not in their interests or to their benefit to give much of a "shit." And that they choose to not give a "shit" and are happy enough with the payoff and how dehumanizing that can be.

>You make it incredibly unlikely most ever will.

Again.

I hope that White folks will cease and desist with the lie that Black folks' behaviors or thoughts (accurately perceived or not by White folks) have anything to do with their own humanity, moral compass, or sense of in/justice.

It's an awful excuse.

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Jon
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Wed Mar-18-15 01:57 AM

176. "you are way off base"
In response to Reply # 173

You initiate our back-and-forth with all kinds of hostility, then talk about you're trying to teach me something that I'm not open to. Yeah, nothing you said is news, and nobody will listen to you when you flip on someone for saying "love is useful"

Empathy doesn't require knowing the ins and outs, but yes, it does require knowing some bad shit exists. If people don't think black ppl today suffer from the effects of racism, how can they empathize?

Furthermore, I'm not even trying to let white ppl off the hook for lack of empathy and you're trying to drag me into that kind of debate.

My only point is that its hard for a large swath of decent white people to comprehend or understand or open up to the knowledge if its done in a villifying divisive fashion, and the only reason I said that was to say Common's gesture is useful and positive, not that its all that's needed or that its owed.

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SoWhat
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Wed Mar-18-15 06:30 AM

185. "i don't read hostility in jane's words - but i read plenty in your respo..."
In response to Reply # 176

>You initiate our back-and-forth with all kinds of hostility,
>then talk about you're trying to teach me something that I'm
>not open to.

that's exactly how it read to me.

and i'm not typing this response to you w/any hostility either.

>My only point is that its hard for a large swath of decent
>white people to comprehend or understand or open up to the
>knowledge if its done in a villifying divisive fashion, and
>the only reason I said that was to say Common's gesture is
>useful and positive, not that its all that's needed or that
>its owed.

but see...jane came at you w/o hostility or divisiveness but that seems to be how you received her words.

what's that about?

fuck you.

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Jon
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Wed Mar-18-15 07:35 AM

197. "lol you must be friends, because"
In response to Reply # 185

the tone was clear.

Caps all over the place, stating that she wishes there were extra caps, saying shit like "let me report from REALITY" and "send a message from REALITY to white folks" a hundred times, spending the first half of a post sarcastically attacking me over using the phrase "reporting from white realm". Pulling other words of mine out of their larger context to twist my message into suggesting white people shouldn't empathize, or its black people's responsibility to go first. Saying shit like "blah blah blah", saying I'm blaming black people, etc, saying I should be ashamed such a "request" (the "request" described being a complete twisting of my words)

I could go on but its a silly exercise. Any objective reader could see the claws

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SoWhat
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Wed Mar-18-15 07:47 AM

200. "We have never met but share some affinity bc we black."
In response to Reply # 197

Maybe that's why I read her words the way I do and can't read them the right way - the white way - your way. You right. You is good folk and until we can discuss race in a way that makes _you_ feel good about your self (no caps used back there bc caps hurt your feewings) we won't make progress together. Bc the onus is on us to make you good white folk feel comfortable without regard for our feelings. It's about you good white folk who should be commended bc plenty white folk won't even talk to us - they don't know why you subject yourself to it. So we should be happy your are willing and should do what we can to create comfort for you.

Can I get you some tea? Rub your feet? I want to make you feel good. So you can talk to us about race.

fuck you.

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DaHeathenOne76
Member since May 11th 2003
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Wed Mar-18-15 07:48 AM

201. "That wasnt hostility that was EMPHASIS"
In response to Reply # 197

But because you in all your whitesplaining glory viewing her through "why are Black people so angry" lens you can't see it.

You are tone policing and its annoying. Some of us are not here to mollycoddle the feelings.
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Jon
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Wed Mar-18-15 08:05 AM

206. "Tonepolicing? Stop. "
In response to Reply # 201

So my tone in responding is addressed but that's not tone policing, but when a person comes at me with shitty tone I'm supposed to not note it. Lol buzzwords galore. When you think about individual moments through buzzwords like tonepolicing and whitesplaining youre like a hammer seeing everything as a nail.

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Joe Corn Mo
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Wed Mar-18-15 09:10 AM

215. "those words exist for several reasons. "
In response to Reply # 206
Wed Mar-18-15 09:11 AM by Joe Corn Mo

1) so Black folks can use those words
to describe what the fuck just happened
to themselves and other Black ppl.

2) to explain our experience to white ppl,
so we can maybe have a dialoge about race.

reason 2 is not seeming important to me
right now, for the same reason I have lost
interest in explaining homophobia to
homophobes.

because as soon as you make a point,
they steamroll right over it
by saying shit like this...

>supposed to not note it. Lol buzzwords galore. When you think
>about individual moments through buzzwords like tonepolicing
>and whitesplaining youre like a hammer seeing everything as a
>nail.

and you ask yourself why would anybody
be so stupid as to try to explain
racism and homophobia to racist and
homophobes.

and no, i won't qualify racist,
because as you won't understand
racism is on a continuum...
so it is possible to be a well meaning,
well intentioned, not racist all the
time racist.

and ftr, i am Black, and thought her
tone was fine. great, even. almost
patient.

you could have learned something about
her experience as a Black person.

you missed it, though.

still, I am glad she typed it out
because it helps me articulate
those feelings better the next time I have them.

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Jon
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Wed Mar-18-15 02:24 AM

179. "RE: I probably shouldn't waste my time with you but here I go"
In response to Reply # 173

>>One critical little mind-blowing detail though: empathy
>>requires actually being aware of the bad thing in the first
>>place.
>
>I tried, in my response, to make you aware of the "bad
>thing."
>
>>Being aware of the bad thing requires being open to the
>>truth.
>
>You don't seem open.
>
>And that's okay. It really is.
>
>Most White people aren't.
>
>The world keeps spinning.
>
>>Acknowledging the truth requires HEARING the truth teller.
>
>I spoke.
>
>>How can anybody empathize about something they're ignorant
>about?
>
>It can be uncomfortable, yes.
>
>But understanding isn't a pre-requisite for being empathetic.
>Empathy, in fact, helps one *to* understand. Find their way.
>
>>If you don't believe white people are truly ignorant about
>the ?>level of racial injustice that persists today, then I AM
>filling >you in on SL!e shit you don't sarcastically know from
>"reality".
>
>I think "White ignorance" is a willed, chosen,
>misinterpretation that Whites have about the world and their
>OWN actions and thoughts, which attempt to reinforce the
>benefits of White supremacists power dynamics, often enjoyed
>because others suffer.
:
The fact that you think white ignorance is willed and chosen means all your over the top sarcasm about my use of the term "reporting from the white realm" was a fail and you don't really know shit about white people even tho you're surrounded by them. Racial realities aren't something white ppl are typically confronted with, so their understanding of the issues is usually incredibly misinformed and naive. You should know this by now. You choose to assume the ignorance is intentional when its really just default.

>I *will* listen to someone tell me I'm awful and bad and the
>scourge of the planet. Perfectly fine to do so. I'm an
>American....there's an earful and a half out there about me.
:
BS...I'm talking about PERSONAL individual shit. Most people who complain about America (rightfully so) say shit like "not all Americans" or "I love the american people, hate their leaders" or something leaving you plenty of wiggle room to remain open. Terrible analogy.

>But maybe navigating receiving negative feedback and
>processing it, has to do with how *I* was raised. I had a Mama
>and a Daddy and uncles and aunts who would tell me about
>myself at the drop of a dime. I have experience navigating
>it.
:
Nothing wrong with negative feedback. Nothing wrong with criticism. Nothing wrong with olive branches and love. Nothing wrong with all of those combined. Those are all great. Cats are mad at Com for promoting love, I'm saying it can help and here's how, you snap on me with heaping piles of CAPS and pissiness and combativeness and expect me to be all open and sit at your feet lol

>I don't know those Black people.
>
>Me? I'm Black.
>
>And I assumed that you were making a comment because you were
>interested, in some way, in bridging the racial divide.
>Assumed.
:
Yes...I said love helps because villifying ppl closes them off, you flipped out on me, picked a fight over nothing, and expected me to act like anything you said was new knowledge

>>I'm basically just a cheap punching bag unless I turn my
>spine >completely off.
>
>It sounds like listening to my kind of feedback makes you feel
>powerless.
:
Powerless? No. I said trying to say anything with an actual opinion, even in defense of love, if you AREN'T some spineless white-guilt yes-man regurgitating everyone else verbatim turns you into a defacto sparring partner for frustrated pent up ppl like yourself who need to snap on someone. Not sure where you got powerless out of that. Are you one of those chicks who thinks every dude who doesn't want to date you is intimidated?

>Please also understand re: that kind of feedback-- it's not
>about you.
>
>>White ppl need to give a shit.
>
>Mmm. I don't know. I guess. I don't know if that's the
>answer.
>
>How hard is it not to, say, shoot unarmed Black people who
>haven't committed a crime?
>
>I think White people need to come to terms with the
>possibility that it's not in their interests or to their
>benefit to give much of a "shit." And that they choose to not
>give a "shit" and are happy enough with the payoff and how
>dehumanizing that can be.
:
When I say "need" I'm not referring to cheap self preservation, I'm referring to a better society.

>>You make it incredibly unlikely most ever will.
>
>Again.
>
>I hope that White folks will cease and desist with the lie
>that Black folks' behaviors or thoughts (accurately perceived
>or not by White folks) have anything to do with their own
>humanity, moral compass, or sense of in/justice.
>
>It's an awful excuse.
:
You're still mixing up caring about injustice (shouldn't matter, you're right), with caring to hear people out about it in the first place (so that you become aware of the injustice)... You really have no clue how clueless people are when it comes to racism today. You think everyone's just pretending not to see it. A ton of people don't see it.

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Wed Mar-18-15 06:31 AM

187. "and now this has devolved into you needing to be right, it seems."
In response to Reply # 179

it feels like you're more interested in whitesplaining than actually listening.

meanwhile i've learned something about you from this exchange. i dunno that i've learned much if anything about white ppl at large, which is fine. it's not your job to teach me anything about white ppl at large.

fuck you.

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Jon
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Wed Mar-18-15 07:17 AM

194. "nah, foh with that cliche "
In response to Reply # 187

cheap ass "whitesplaining" nonsense

I don't think I'm "teaching black people"

This isn't some Bill O'Reilly shit dude

But I broke something down that should be obvious, but clearly some *individuals* in here were acting like they couldn't wrap their heads around.

Some cats talk about how white ppl talk when black ppl aren't around, and that shit is almost always wildly inaccurate. Other ppl, like the poster you're trying to pretend wasn't getting chippy with me, are under the impression that white ppl already know what time it is and pretend not to. I'm saying a lot fucking don't and don't even want to hear about it because they take it as a personal attack, which gets society nowhere.

Explaining that for the sake of anyone who seems not to get that is me explaining something. Get outta here with these buzzword tactics.

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SoWhat
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Wed Mar-18-15 07:22 AM

196. "im sorry, boss."
In response to Reply # 194

You is good white folk and we should not talk to you like that. We should just listen to you and receive your words in love and not explain where we disagree bc you is right. And you know all white folk even the villains in black hats and we should just let you be the authority when it comes to talking about white folk. You need to be right - the authority - sometimes like we tend to be when we talk about race. You need a piece of the conversation where YOU are right and we listen. And this is it. You is good white folk. Not a villain. You wear white.

fuck you.

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Wed Mar-18-15 07:41 AM

199. "you're acting pathetic now"
In response to Reply # 196

You can disagree with me, and I can disagree with you. If you want to be pissy and chippy, I can match, but don't turn around and pretend im the one initiating that. These are general rules of human conversation.

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SoWhat
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Wed Mar-18-15 07:48 AM

202. "Well I am pretty pathetic."
In response to Reply # 199

fuck you.

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184. "*applause*"
In response to Reply # 148

fuck you.

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Wed Mar-18-15 09:13 AM

217. "^^^^^^^^^ THIS SHIT HERE ^^^^^^^^^^^^"
In response to Reply # 148

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initiationofplato
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Tue Mar-17-15 09:55 PM

149. "Fam, it is beyond slavery."
In response to Reply # 114
Tue Mar-17-15 10:06 PM by initiationofplato

Take a look at Ferguson. Black people are being exploited to fill the pockets of corrupt city officials. Have you seen the numbers regarding arrests and warrants? The only correct word to describe it would be apartheid.

Black people are angry. Scratch that, black people are seething with rage. It's not just about slavery, it's the countless acts of racism that continue to plague society today.

Did you not see the police in full military gear? Did you not see the sniper rifles pointed at peaceful protesters?

I am willing to bet black people would be much more open to love if the society they live in would treat them with the same dignity they treat white people with. I have never had any issues with black folks in real life, apart from here, lol, but that's another story completely. I have always been treated with kindness and friendship. The loving hand has always been there.

If you really want black people to stop viewing white people as the "enemy" and the "oppressor" then you as a white person are going to have to take action and make it happen. Are you prepared to protest on their behalf? are you prepared to write letters to congress demanding the ceaseless murder of innocent black people?

The facts speak for themselves. How many black children are going to die before you understand this is not about something that occurred in the past, but about something that continues to happen today?

I am neither white or black, but I have to say, I am honestly astounded by the level of patience black people continue to show in the United States of Amerikkka. Black people are laying down their lives and if they dare protest, they are blamed for being murdered by the media as well. Do you not see it? I am filled with anger and I am not affected by this in any way. What do you expect black people to do? Extend a loving hand to a society that continues to murder and exploit them? that continues to jail them for profit? have you heard of the prison industrial complex? You want black people to show love to a society that turned its back on them? that continues to murder them? Even a black president has proven to be useless.

This coming from Common is betrayal. This is a man that made his name with "conscious" rap. Do you think he is conscious of the issues/reality right now? Do you think he is using any common sense? He is turning his back on the issues he surely knows are real because he is currently livin la vida loca with an Oscar firmly jammed up his ass.

He sold his people out fam. This is not about meeting anyone half way. Black people do not owe white people a single thing. It's not about black people seeing you as racist, it's about black people losing lives, and being exploited today, right now. A black man was choked to death live on camera, and that is not enough proof to get a conviction. Did his life have any worth? How do you imagine that makes people feel? Do you think that puts them in a loving mood bro? You can be black and murdered live on television, and noone will pay for it, in fact, you will be blamed for provoking the murder by trying to sell loose cigarettes in a society and economy that has forgotten you. Wake up and smell the blood.

~Experience is the currency of the soul.

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Tue Mar-17-15 10:46 PM

156. "How in the flying hell did u misread that?"
In response to Reply # 149
Tue Mar-17-15 10:49 PM by Jon

If you care at all about white ppl acknowledging a fuller spectrum of racial injustice beyond "slavery was bad and its gone", its impossible to open anyone's mind if...

^^^^^

Does that shit read like I'm saying there's no injustice beyond slavery? Or does a person who reads the actual sentences I typed conclude that I'm interested in getting more average white people to understand that it IS way beyond "just slavery"? That racial injustice is alive and well today and NOT equal both ways.

I skimmed the rest of your post because it started off with a gross misrepresentation and complete twisting of my message, but fwiw, I 100% agree with everything I skimmed.

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initiationofplato
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Tue Mar-17-15 11:25 PM

"I felt your message down played the severity"

of the problem. It's wayyyy beyond reaching out to a white person at this point, in any degree.

~Experience is the currency of the soul.

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Wed Mar-18-15 12:20 AM

166. "The ONLY thing Im downplaying is the patience of"
In response to Reply # 0

normal decent human beings with problems and lives and daily issues of their own when confronted with people telling them they're the villains of the world

I'm talking about the ratcheting up of resentments when no justice can ever be accomplished without open minds.

It doesn't matter how bad the injustice is, people need to accept its real. "No justice, no peace" is mostly true, but can there be justice without acknowledgement of injustice? Can there be acknowledgement without knowledge? Can there be knowledge without an open mind? How do you open minds? With love. Love doesn't mean ass-kissing. Yall act like Common was suggesting everyone ignore the problem. He just meant lets not become enemies in the process and lets not forget to have love for each other while we work it out.

Some ppl act like they'd rather be enemies

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initiationofplato
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Wed Mar-18-15 09:03 AM

214. "Your replies have helped me understand why "
In response to Reply # 166

Black people become annoyed/angry when discussing this topic with white people. You are refusing to acknowledge reality, and are mostly speaking out of a reality that you have constructed with a privileged perception.

>normal decent human beings with problems and lives and daily
>issues of their own when confronted with people telling them
>they're the villains of the world
>

Black people do not treat white people as villains. The face of power and media is white. White people do not understand what racism is, and I don't think you do either because you have not been victimized in remotely the same way. White people treat black people as villains. Have you been paying attention?

Black people are being murdered and exploited. Once again, have you been paying attention? The white media/power organizations have blamed black people for their own death's. Media organizations have perpetuated this perception across the nation. It has clearly demonstrated that black lives do not matter to the establishment.

Did you see those white privileged kids chanting on that bus? Where is the love fam? References to people hanging off tree's, etc. Every time you turn on the television there is a white face exploiting, victimizing, ignoring, attacking black people. To top it all off, the white media establishment has blamed hip hop for that chant! Our society drives the perception that black people are not worthy of justice or equality, or even life.

How do you expect black people to respond to this? After so many years of injustice, are you really suggesting that black people correct the thought pattern that white people are exploiting them, and offer a loving hand? Do you really think that is feasible in reality, or are you presenting a privileged white fantasy? I think the latter.

>I'm talking about the ratcheting up of resentments when no
>justice can ever be accomplished without open minds.
>

I don't understand the logic of this statement. What do you expect/want black people to do? There is plenty of resentment to go around, in fact, there is so much, I'm willing to bet someone is already thinking of a way to monetize it.

>It doesn't matter how bad the injustice is, people need to
>accept its real. "No justice, no peace" is mostly true, but
>can there be justice without acknowledgement of injustice? Can
>there be acknowledgement without knowledge? Can there be
>knowledge without an open mind? How do you open minds?

Whose minds do you want to open?

With
>love. Love doesn't mean ass-kissing. Yall act like Common was
>suggesting everyone ignore the problem. He just meant lets not
>become enemies in the process and lets not forget to have love
>for each other while we work it out.

LOL. Fam, listen to what you are saying. Black people have been murdered on camera this past year, blamed for it by the media, ignored by the justice system, ignored by the black faces in power, had sniper rifles pointed at them during peaceful protests. What does LOVE mean to you and where are black people supposed to draw this love from? You don't fall in love with someone just because they are white or black. Love takes time to build, and love is built on acts of kindness and trust. Have black people been given ANY reason to love white people Jon? Please list all the examples of all the love deserving acts white people are involved in that black people are unjustly resenting them for.

>
>Some ppl act like they'd rather be enemies

Your privileged perception and identity is truly blind to the problem. You remind me of communism, where everything is pretty on paper, and la dee da, but when it comes down to people, and real life, you couldn't be more off the mark.

~Experience is the currency of the soul.

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Thu Mar-19-15 07:59 AM

299. "Jon, I'm waiting for your response. "
In response to Reply # 214

~Experience is the currency of the soul.

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160. "Double"
In response to Reply # 156
Tue Mar-17-15 11:25 PM by initiationofplato

~Experience is the currency of the soul.

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Wed Mar-18-15 12:25 AM

167. "I think the disconnect with the replies above is the 'racial defensivene..."
In response to Reply # 156
Wed Mar-18-15 12:29 AM by BigReg

Like, I feel your point. Nobody wants to hear about how good they have it (when their life sucks), or get blamed for something that happened many generations before.

But I think white defensiveness goes a bit deeper then that though. Personally I debate race a shitload with people, and it rarely starts with 'back in the slavery days, lol'.

I just don't think that the conversation of race is as confrontational as people think. People love to trudge out Al Sharpton, etc...but in each and every case of recent high profile black male shootings you had a family on CNN, emotional, calling for calm, calling for justice, and all things considered, still very trusting with the police an the justice system.

HOWEVER, its not hard to notice that it doesn't take long for the narrative to shift to those new black panthers, residents mad at Sharpton running protest routes disrupting businesses, how the kid had minor crimes as alot of kids do...etc. Totally disregarding that for a least a good day or two it was just a crying mother, a father, and a wrinkled picture of their child shot dead.

Which is why I think everyone got mad at your post without going deeper, on the surface the 'race card' is a preliminary denial tactic that rarely gets evoked by our side of the conversation. You can counter that every black vs white confrontation doesn't have to be about race, and in a perfect world it isn't, but considering the stats I don't think its race baiting or going on the offensive to assume there's a racial connotation when its respectful like all those families were (to no avail).

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Wed Mar-18-15 12:45 AM

169. "it reads as if it was the luck of the draw"
In response to Reply # 167

like SOMEONE was bound to be oppressed and white people just lucked out

NOPE.

also, this thinking, anecdotally speaking, is seen among people who think they are actively fighting for social justice yet have no clue of the origins of the ills they are working against nor understand the extent

to put it most simply: they lack an understanding of policy in general and the historical context of that policy

they think the civil rights act of 64 changed everything in an instant

yet don't realize that policy doesn't work like that and while one amendment was written, there were decades old laws on federal, state, and municipal levels that gave little weight in the grand scheme of things

you had states with slavery still legal in their books decades after it was outlawed.

all of the ills created through segregation policy are still pervasive and affect persons of color to this day. it's not a colored water fountain today. it's a city who had a functioning program to assist youth that got their funding cut because it's not an affluent white area and now you have kids with no where to go, no money, and an immaturity that lends to bad decisions. same immaturity found in other kids their age, but yet they aren't subjected to that great a risk.

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Wed Mar-18-15 01:16 AM

172. "I'm not sure who you are"
In response to Reply # 169

educating right now, but everything you said I've said almost verbatim in a thousand conversations, and that's honestly just scratching the surface of this mess.

However I don't know how anything I wrote suggested in any way someone was bound to be oppressed. I'm not that thorough an anthropologist to even try to make that claim. On some guns germs and steel shit? Dude, yeah I guess the world is rich with history of ppl trying to oppress each other, but I still like to think NONE of that had to happen.

But yeah, even tho it has nothing to do with my posts in here, you could definitely say white people lucked out. Like white people born today? Or the white people who kicked this racial shitstorm off?

Either way, compared to plenty of other ppl of other races, yeah id say its safe to say both versions of white ppl lucked out in the racial lottery. I'm open to other angles on that. Where did I suggest any of this though?

Do you mean luck instead of culpability? I mean, I think the Nazis (not counting those who were forced into battle) were both lucky to meet Hitler's ethnic standards and culpable for what they did.

Luck doesn't delete culpability. You can be given the best ability to hurt someone, doesn't mean you have to hurt them.

How did we even get onto this? I need to sleep

>like SOMEONE was bound to be oppressed and white people just
>lucked out
>
>NOPE.
>
>also, this thinking, anecdotally speaking, is seen among
>people who think they are actively fighting for social justice
>yet have no clue of the origins of the ills they are working
>against nor understand the extent
>
>to put it most simply: they lack an understanding of policy in
>general and the historical context of that policy
>
>they think the civil rights act of 64 changed everything in an
>instant
>
>yet don't realize that policy doesn't work like that and while
>one amendment was written, there were decades old laws on
>federal, state, and municipal levels that gave little weight
>in the grand scheme of things
>
>you had states with slavery still legal in their books decades
>after it was outlawed.
>
>all of the ills created through segregation policy are still
>pervasive and affect persons of color to this day. it's not a
>colored water fountain today. it's a city who had a
>functioning program to assist youth that got their funding cut
>because it's not an affluent white area and now you have kids
>with no where to go, no money, and an immaturity that lends to
>bad decisions. same immaturity found in other kids their age,
>but yet they aren't subjected to that great a risk.
>
>

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Wed Mar-18-15 12:50 PM

265. "wasn't responding to you"
In response to Reply # 172

but expanding on what reg was talking about in regards to defensiveness and reasons why it exists and why the defensiveness isn't ideal knowing how things truly are in reality

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Wed Mar-18-15 12:57 AM

170. "RE: I think the disconnect with the replies above is the 'racial defensi..."
In response to Reply # 167

>Like, I feel your point. Nobody wants to hear about how good
>they have it (when their life sucks), or get blamed for
>something that happened many generations before.
:
Nope. And most self respecting ppl tune out right there.

>But I think white defensiveness goes a bit deeper then that
>though. Personally I debate race a shitload with people, and
>it rarely starts with 'back in the slavery days, lol'.
:
Agreed lol. Understand, that was an off-the-cuff caricature I cited just to characterize the general "racism is over/racism is equal/get over it" reactionary defensiveness that tends to dominate a lot of white people's heads when racial injustice is brought up.

>I just don't think that the conversation of race is as
>confrontational as people think. People love to trudge out Al
>Sharpton, etc...but in each and every case of recent high
>profile black male shootings you had a family on CNN,
>emotional, calling for calm, calling for justice, and all
>things considered, still very trusting with the police an the
>justice system.
:
Yep.

>HOWEVER, its not hard to notice that it doesn't take long for
>the narrative to shift to those new black panthers, residents
>mad at Sharpton running protest routes disrupting businesses,
>how the kid had minor crimes as alot of kids do...etc.
>Totally disregarding that for a least a good day or two it was
>just a crying mother, a father, and a wrinkled picture of
>their child shot dead.
:
YEP! That shit drives me fucking nuts...honestly y'all don't hear me among the white circles.

>Which is why I think everyone got mad at your post without
>going deeper, on the surface the 'race card' is a preliminary
>denial tactic that rarely gets evoked by our side of the
>conversation. You can counter that every black vs white
>confrontation doesn't have to be about race, and in a perfect
>world it isn't, but considering the stats I don't think its
>race baiting or going on the offensive to assume there's a
>racial connotation when its respectful like all those families
>were (to no avail).
:
I agree in the case of those families, but shit, I have enough black ppl in my personal life who pull the "race card" out over everything that I know there's that side of it too. But you're right, in a lot of these recent big stories, white defensiveness was off the effing meter right off the bat. But then I was still seeing a few loud minority black ppl on my facebook feed (don't know them well) kicking all kinds of racial hornets nests right off the jump with very intense and unfair remarks on white ppl...then, the white ppl who don't have much quality time with many black ppl start thinking that's how "they" think of "us" and shit gets even stupider and crazier from there, and it bleeds out into the real world.

So I don't see the issue with a dude like Com reminding us to love, just like MLK did, just like those families of the victims did. Its necessary to keep the lines of communication and education open, and without those lines being open, ignorance lives on.

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kayru99
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Wed Mar-18-15 12:14 AM

165. "...what the fuck do you think people of color have been doing"
In response to Reply # 114

to survive for the past 400+ years?

White people CANNOT be anymore coddled than they already are with regards to race. It's simply not possible.

Either be humane and human or don't.

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Wed Mar-18-15 12:34 AM

168. "what the fuck are you talking about? I didn't say"
In response to Reply # 165
Wed Mar-18-15 12:35 AM by Jon

there hasn't been love (there has) or everyone just goes around villifying white ppl (although there's also a lot of that as well)

But Common's point about reaching out in love was too much for some ppl in here to stomach, so all I was saying was that it doesn't mean to erase the need for acknowledgement of injustice, but rather if anything, you CAN'T get such acknowledgement without love. Its an important factor. It doesnt excuse us from telling hard truths or accepting hard truths. Coddling and pandering is fake shit that lets delusion and ignorance live on. But when spreading knowledge, its critical that people feel a sense of common ground or not being enemies, or nothing will be accomplished.

Putting your cleats on doesn't guarantee you a Super Bowl, but you can't win a blessed game without them. They are critical. Its not bad to put your cleats on. Its not bad move by Common to love. All the other steps are impossible without it. That's all I'm getting at.

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Wed Mar-18-15 01:02 AM

171. "sooooo, how much more love do white folks need?"
In response to Reply # 168
Wed Mar-18-15 01:22 AM by kayru99

you're talking about white defensiveness while being defensively white.

EDIT:

and when is the responsibility to love being placed on white people?
what about the ability to see the humanity in the darker people of the world? Or shit, themselves?

That's the problem with this line of thinking: it is not the responsibility of the oppressed to make the oppressor better.

Most racist, self-defeating white voting blocs are homogenous as hell. Yet, they vote against their own interests all the time against an IDEA of blackness. Most of these folks will never have a real conversation with an actual black person, but will mortgage their kids future against the IDEA of a black person, somewhere, somehow having more than them.

That's a psychosis that external love will not cure

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Jon
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Wed Mar-18-15 01:26 AM

174. "RE: sooooo, how much more love do white folks need?"
In response to Reply # 171

No I'm being defensive about ppl deliberately picking a fight with me lol stop

Your question is dumb. Everyone needs all the love in the universe. We all need all the love. We all need to give all the others all our love.

All the love.

None of the hate.

I didn't say white ppl aren't getting enough love from black people. I never said that. I simply said Com isn't bad for showing love. And that, beyond feeling fuzzy wuzzy, it serves an important practical purpose toward the end goal of justice. Not that other factors and elements aren't needed. But I tried to explain how the love helps open the minds so that the truth can actually be planted. Y'all lost your fallopians over it.

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Wed Mar-18-15 01:41 AM

175. "to address your edit:"
In response to Reply # 171
Wed Mar-18-15 01:45 AM by Jon

>and when is the responsibility to love being placed on white
>people?
:
Its PAST time for that. Needs to happen immediately. Wtf do you think I think? Of course. Its imperative.

>what about the ability to see the humanity in the darker
>people of the world? Or shit, themselves?
:
Yep. Agreed 500%

>That's the problem with this line of thinking: it is not the
>responsibility of the oppressed to make the oppressor better.
:
Beyond my overarching belief that its everyones job to love everyone, There's a difference between something being one's responsibility and something being positive. Something not being your responsibility doesn't make it a bad deed. But to go one step further (tho its not necessary for the scope of my post), very few beefs between individuals or groups are ever reconciled via mere responsibility and score keeping. Thats typically how resentments get etched in stons actually. But its not for me to say that.

I never said (and Com never said) black ppl owe white ppl more love. He just said let's begin the love, he wants to encourage his people to extend that olive branch and I disagree with ppl who say bad things about him for doing that. I think there's power in that.

>Most racist, self-defeating white voting blocs are homogenous
>as hell. Yet, they vote against their own interests all the
>time against an IDEA of blackness. Most of these folks will
>never have a real conversation with an actual black person,
>but will mortgage their kids future against the IDEA of a
>black person, somewhere, somehow having more than them.
>
>That's a psychosis that external love will not cure
:

Actually, this is something I've been meaning to make a post about. I agree for the most part, but I want to talk about some of the underlying roots and gears of that phenomenon. Its sheer poison and cuts to the heart of the power structure in America. Its deep. Too past my bedtime right now tho

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kayru99
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Wed Mar-18-15 10:01 AM

235. "THIS HAS ALREADY BEEN HAPPENING: "
In response to Reply # 175

He just said let's begin the love, he wants to encourage
>his people to extend that olive branch and I disagree with ppl
>who say bad things about him for doing that. I think there's
>power in that.

We don't need to *begin* shit. At this moment in time, to imply that black people have been anything other than humane and decent in the face of outright fuckery is a crock of shit.

Black people can't be anymore docile, peaceful or loving. Racism isn't our problem. we're the victims of it.

White folks need to do better. Period

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240. "hello."
In response to Reply # 235

fuck you.

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Wed Mar-18-15 11:20 AM

244. "^^^^"
In response to Reply # 235

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Wed Mar-18-15 11:28 AM

245. "begin is a figure of speech, stop this. And Com didnt"
In response to Reply # 235

suggest it hasn't been happening. You're parsing words and splitting hairs to fight straws

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Wed Mar-18-15 12:46 PM

264. "*sigh*"
In response to Reply # 235

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Wed Mar-18-15 02:53 AM

182. "No you're right. It's great advice..."
In response to Reply # 114
Wed Mar-18-15 02:56 AM by b.Touch

...it's just, as of this writing, 59 years, 3 months, 16 days, 9 hours, 37 minutes and 1 second too late.

Like, officially.

Discounting the 336 years, 6 months, 6 hours, and 15 minutes preceding of slavery, Jim Crow, and earlier campaigns and movements of limited success to try and stop them.

We've, like, been doing this already.

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Wed Mar-18-15 07:03 AM

192. "its not supposed to be novel new advice, and its not"
In response to Reply # 182

supposed to be one sided. Loving one another is something all human beings need constant reminder on.

And Com was trying to inspire both sides to offer more love. Some of y'all act like he was saying black ppl owe white ppl extra love or that it should just be one way. Dude was just trying to rekindle a mutual thing between all people, without sugarcoating the nitty gritty, and ppl like yourself throw shade bombs at him. So I come in and say love can help open minds, and now I'm catching heat for that lol

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Wed Mar-18-15 07:18 AM

195. "Pray for us, Jon."
In response to Reply # 192

You are one of the good guys. White man wearing a white hat. And us negroes have had such a mind game run on us that we can't appreciate when good white folk like you talk to us out of love. We are not ready to receive it. Your heart is open and you have learned all of the lessons about race and ready to be on the front line of healing the divide but we can't converse with you without making you feel attacked and that is our fault not yours. We are responsible for your feelings and you bear no responsibility for how you receive or react to what we say. It's all on us and none of it is on you bc you is good white folk. You wear a white hat. You are not a villain. It's our fault - the conditioning we received we should rise above it and you don't have any duty to even try to understand where we are coming from bc you is good white folk. It's all us and not you. It's too bad, huh?

fuck you.

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205. "Doc, I commend you for even trying to add you 2 cents to the pot."
In response to Reply # 114
Wed Mar-18-15 08:01 AM by Case_One

Don't give up the good fight for reconciliation because that's the only way things are ever going to change. If both sides continue to point fingers, bash each others opinions without honest conversation and dismiss the willingness to examine the facts, acknowledge the facts, and create a way forward then this nation will remain in a vicious cycle. Yes, apologies are a good place to start, but that's not enough if the people benefiting from the system never change in heart and deed.

And for change to happen both sides must be willing to forgive in various ways. Whites need to look in that mirror, acknowledge the historical and present racist system, so that they can move towards healing via forgiving themselves for benefiting and perpetuating such a racist system. But that takes humility and courage. Blacks need to forgive white people for their actions, so that the stumbling blocks of anger, pain, and bitterness can be overcome. Yes, we have a right to be angry and bitter, but at what cost? Being right or justified emotionally doesn't always get you to the right place. Reconciliation is not about equal blame, it's about moving forward together in equality. Blacks need to forgive so that our paths can be clear and our burden can be relived. We cannot continue to carry so much hurtful history on our backs or we will never move anywhere as people. But That burden has to be taken up by white people too with the change of the system. The system is evil and it's a constant reminder of the history that Blacks deal with even in the present.

As such, both side have to make the hard choices to give up something that is holding us back as a nation.

Anyway, thanks for trying. Some of us see your point.

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Wed Mar-18-15 08:07 AM

207. "word up."
In response to Reply # 205
Wed Mar-18-15 08:27 AM by SoWhat

^ that's me being sincere. i appreciated and agreed w/rev's reply right there.

fuck you.

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Wed Mar-18-15 09:14 AM

218. "two such "honest individuals""
In response to Reply # 207

in the midst of such "dishonest folk"

you would think they weren't being serious
but no
they are
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Wed Mar-18-15 09:20 AM

224. "I try."
In response to Reply # 218

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"Today is your day to have a better life -- it's your right."

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SoWhat
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Wed Mar-18-15 09:23 AM

225. "I can dig what the rev said especially where he said"
In response to Reply # 218

white ppl need to FORGIVE THEMSELVES for their ppl's past transgressions. That problem blocks conversation - we bring up the past, they feel convicted and get defensive. That's where Jon says we need to work on making them feel comfortable and not like villains. I agree that that is their problem - they need to forgive themselves to get past the I-feel-villainized issue. Bc there is no way to have an honest conversation about America'so race problem without discussing issues where white ppl have acted badly. Glossing over or forgetting that stuff won't move us forward. It has to be taken on. They forgive themselves and stop doing racist stuff. We can then work on forgiving - AFTER they repent and sin no more.

fuck you.

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Wed Mar-18-15 09:26 AM

227. "totally. "
In response to Reply # 225

>white ppl need to FORGIVE THEMSELVES for their ppl's past
>transgressions. That problem blocks conversation - we bring up
>the past, they feel convicted and get defensive. That's where
>Jon says we need to work on making them feel comfortable and
>not like villains. I agree that that is their problem - they
>need to forgive themselves to get past the I-feel-villainized
>issue. Bc there is no way to have an honest conversation about
>America'so race problem without discussing issues where white
>ppl have acted badly. Glossing over or forgetting that stuff
>won't move us forward. It has to be taken on. They forgive
>themselves and stop doing racist stuff. We can then work on
>forgiving - AFTER they repent and sin no more.

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Wed Mar-18-15 09:48 AM

233. "yep"
In response to Reply # 225

reminds me of NeNe during that crazy ass therapy session among friends that popped off this week...

but yep, i agree too

Let me sport my Air Hyperbole 2010s in peace. (c) ansomble

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lfresh
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Wed Mar-18-15 10:01 AM

234. "i notice those two aren't agreeing with your interpretation"
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239. "ikr?"
In response to Reply # 234

LOL

fuck you.

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Wed Mar-18-15 11:45 AM

248. "2 things tho"
In response to Reply # 225

(I respect much of what you said, but I feel some if the disconnect in the convo springs from these, among maybe others)

1.
When you say "Jon says we need to x", that word "need" is a bit funny. There's an important distinction with saying something is useful/good or even going so far as to suggest it is critically important vs saying "need to" like its your responsibility or you owe it to anyone. And it certainly doesn't replace the work and measures white ppl ought to take, as some in here think I'm suggesting.

2.
As for the forgiveness thing, I agree white ppl should forgive themselves (not be in denial), but forgiving yourself doesn't make you more open to being painted as the enemy or villain. It does allow for you to feel more secure and not interpret things as an attack that aren't an attack. But none of that negates the idea that any extension of love does anything but open more minds and hearts to a message of truth. Regardless of whether a person forgives themselves. Love is never the wrong approach. Love is not coddling. Nobody said Common came up with a new thing that hasn't been done before. I just defend the merits of his position because cats act like he's wrong for encouraging it.

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Wed Mar-18-15 11:51 AM

253. "he's wrong where he insinuates that blacks extending the hand"
In response to Reply # 248

of love is THE solution to the race problem.

it's not.

and he's wrong where he insinuates that blacks haven't extended that hand previously. b/c it's already happening. so blacks extending the hand isn't what's preventing us from conquering the race problem.

fuck you.

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Wed Mar-18-15 11:55 AM

254. "yeah I truthfully think you're nailing him to some"
In response to Reply # 253

imperfect verbal minutiae that anyone with some Common Sense would know isn't the heart of his message.

You really think Com thinks its THE single one thing that will save the day, or that there haven't already been a bunch of black ppl for eons showing love to white ppl?

Like, who would interpret it that way unless you're looking for a plank to walk him off?

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SoWhat
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Wed Mar-18-15 12:10 PM

258. "Yup. I'm being dishonest bc Com didn't make a 'kill whitey' statement"
In response to Reply # 254

and bc I hate white ppl so much I won't let him get away with it and I'm nailing him on a 'Gotcha!' moment.

fuck you.

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Wed Mar-18-15 12:12 PM

259. "come on, I didn't say all that. "
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SoWhat
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Wed Mar-18-15 12:18 PM

260. "no, I said it so you didn't have to."
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fuck you.

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Jon
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Wed Mar-18-15 12:42 PM

263. "I already didn't have to. I wasn't even thinking that. Damn"
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SoWhat
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Wed Mar-18-15 01:00 PM

267. "i got there b4 you."
In response to Reply # 263

anyway, you're right - i was being dishonest and trying to catch Common by twisting his words around b/c i don't really want dialogue or healing w/white ppl i only want to make them feel guilty and then use that against them in an attempt to make myself feel better by denigrating white ppl. i use the race card as a sword and not a shield.

fuck you.

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Joe Corn Mo
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Wed Mar-18-15 09:24 AM

226. "I agree with everything you said- 100 %, no snark. "
In response to Reply # 205

>Don't give up the good fight for reconciliation because
>that's the only way things are ever going to change. If both
>sides continue to point fingers, bash each others opinions
>without honest conversation and dismiss the willingness to
>examine the facts, acknowledge the facts, and create a way
>forward then this nation will remain in a vicious cycle. Yes,
>apologies are a good place to start, but that's not enough if
>the people benefiting from the system never change in heart
>and deed.
>
>And for change to happen both sides must be willing to forgive
>in various ways. Whites need to look in that mirror,
>acknowledge the historical and present racist system, so that
>they can move towards healing via forgiving themselves for
>benefiting and perpetuating such a racist system. But that
>takes humility and courage. Blacks need to forgive white
>people for their actions, so that the stumbling blocks of
>anger, pain, and bitterness can be overcome. Yes, we have a
>right to be angry and bitter, but at what cost? Being right or
>justified emotionally doesn't always get you to the right
>place. Reconciliation is not about equal blame, it's about
>moving forward together in equality. Blacks need to forgive so
>that our paths can be clear and our burden can be relived. We
>cannot continue to carry so much hurtful history on our backs
>or we will never move anywhere as people. But That burden has
>to be taken up by white people too with the change of the
>system. The system is evil and it's a constant reminder of the
>history that Blacks deal with even in the present.
>
>As such, both side have to make the hard choices to give up
>something that is holding us back as a nation.
>
>Anyway, thanks for trying. Some of us see your point.
>
>
>.
>.
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>"Today is your day to have a better life -- it's your right."

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Atillah Moor
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Wed Mar-18-15 11:05 AM

242. "lots of words and concepts being thrown around with no base in reality"
In response to Reply # 205

What kind of reconciliation can there possibly be? What does it look like? Can there be reconciliation alongside a race based system and culture? Wouldn't the system need to be replaced and the culture fundamentally changed? Race is a card at the bottom of a house of cards. How do you remove it and not have the whole thing fall apart?

This is why I think a lot of the love and peace crowd are filled with useless and unrealistic optimism. Basically expecting humans to not act as humans. This nation is in a cycle that it's leaders desire to have in place and which people will and want to naturally gravitate towards. Is this not one of many reasons why the bible has no qualms about describing humanity as wretched?

Who is to be forgiven or apologized to? As one group loves to point out the "real" offenders are long dead and the dead can not be forgiven. Who will apologize to black people? As if there is some person or group out there representing white and western society. It's all so completely laughable.

Meanwhile history paints a clear picture that its violence that brings change and builds systems. Dr.King and his protesters may have been non-violent, but there was certainly violence used against them and it's the witnessing of that violence that brought whatever change there's been.

Reconciliation is right up there with beating swords into plowshares as far as when you can expect to see such a thing happen and I'm always a bit stunned to see this not acknowledged by church leaders who have at their disposal a book full of illustrations of the darkness of the human heart and soul.

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Case_One
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Wed Mar-18-15 11:30 AM

246. "Well not in your reality. But in mine the message is valid."
In response to Reply # 242

As for your response, I respect your position even if I agree and disagree with a few of your statements. Now, I am not going to answer all of those questions just because you decided to drive down Question Street and knock on very door..LOL Plus the seem rhetorical to me. Because not matter what I say, you will most likely protest me response.

Plus, I offered a solution in my response and you have not offered anything. I come from the school of though that if you are going to challenge or complain then you also need to provide a solution. That's how I was raised at home, the military, and in corporate life. Anybody bench rider can complain, but only staters offer a solutions.

>What kind of reconciliation can there possibly be? What does
>it look like? Can there be reconciliation alongside a race
>based system and culture? Wouldn't the system need to be
>replaced and the culture fundamentally changed? Race is a card
>at the bottom of a house of cards. How do you remove it and
>not have the whole thing fall apart?
>

The system of respect for humanity and love for ones neighbor the same why we love ourselves. That will be the catalyst to solve matters right out the gate.

>This is why I think a lot of the love and peace crowd are
>filled with useless and unrealistic optimism. Basically
>expecting humans to not act as humans. This nation is in a
>cycle that it's leaders desire to have in place and which
>people will and want to naturally gravitate towards. Is this
>not one of many reasons why the bible has no qualms about
>describing humanity as wretched?
>

You are mixing topics to validate a point and a position. Humanity as wretched because of the curse of sin, not what we're actually capable of being. That has noting to do useless and unrealistic optimism. Do you think love and peace is useless and unrealistic optimism when you go home, in your family, on your job? No.

>Who is to be forgiven or apologized to? As one group loves to
>point out the "real" offenders are long dead and the dead can
>not be forgiven. Who will apologize to black people? As if
>there is some person or group out there representing white and
>western society. It's all so completely laughable.
>

I already explained it above bro. Come on Fam. People did you not see the Million Man March, the same premise applies. Reconciliation, forgiveness, and atonement is possible.

>Meanwhile history paints a clear picture that its violence
>that brings change and builds systems. Dr.King and his
>protesters may have been non-violent, but there was certainly
>violence used against them and it's the witnessing of that
>violence that brought whatever change there's been.
>

Violence can bring change, but at what cost today? A man named Jesus who exhibited Non Violent deeds changed the entire world and MLK's changing of that torch has been changing the world too. Protest are always more successful if they are non violent. But I digress, because that's not the issue here.

>Reconciliation is right up there with beating swords into
>plowshares as far as when you can expect to see such a thing
>happen and I'm always a bit stunned to see this not
>acknowledged by church leaders who have at their disposal a
>book full of illustrations of the darkness of the human heart
>and soul.
>
>
>

Your logic is not acknowledged by church leaders because it's self-defeating.
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Wed Mar-18-15 01:03 PM

268. "We both believe in miracles at least."
In response to Reply # 246

It's going to take nothing short of that to "fix" anything as far as racism and white supremacy are concerned. My solution is one of self improvement. Forget about white society, supremacy, and all the rest. Instead overcome and persevere despite the obstacles because the obstacle will not be removed. That is a far more plausible and obtainable solution.

Loving ones neighbor is how believers are to live their lives, but believers are clearly the minority. I doubt there are racists out there that can even fathom such a thing as loving one's self let alone one's neighbor.

Sin is the reason why we have racism in the first place so to put faith in humanity somehow being able to right itself seems to be misplaced. As far as Anerica is concerned the bed has been made.

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Wed Mar-18-15 11:50 AM

252. "I think Mandela's turn to reconciliation in SA"
In response to Reply # 242

to prevent mass bloodshed is very educational/worthwhile as far as seeing its actual application. as far as wide scale justice, it has to linked to economic justice and other arenas as these systemic levers come down in interconnected ways. dialogue, reconciliation and action on race needs to result, in the US, straight up socialism and transition away from the market economy value and socio-economic system that privileges capital, whiteness, etc.

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SoWhat
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Wed Mar-18-15 11:56 AM

255. "yes and it came after apartheid was defeated."
In response to Reply # 252

it didn't come BEFORE the death of apartheid.

i think the same would be true here in the USA - AFTER racism has been defeated we can talk about forgiveness and reconciliation.

fuck you.

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Wed Mar-18-15 12:07 PM

257. "you're singing my song with that stuff. 100% cosign"
In response to Reply # 252
Wed Mar-18-15 12:09 PM by Jon

Greed and economic exploitation is the root of racial division and injustice

We need a far more civilized humanizing equitable social economic model if we're ever going to really protect our society from these divisions. We could get theoretically get through the current racial divide but another kind would spring forth. Because removing whiteness as a false supremacy myth would leave a void to be filled by a system that needs a large swath of the exploited class to think they're on the side of the rulers.

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Wed Mar-18-15 12:51 PM

266. "True indeed. "
In response to Reply # 252

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"And the Lord’s servant must not be quarrelsome but must be kind to everyone, able to teach, not resentful." ~ 2 Tim 2:4

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Wed Mar-18-15 11:15 AM

243. "Thanks for this, and everything you said is on point."
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Case_One
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Wed Mar-18-15 11:32 AM

247. "#HumanityWorkingItOut"
In response to Reply # 243

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"And the Lord’s servant must not be quarrelsome but must be kind to everyone, able to teach, not resentful." ~ 2 Tim 2:4

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Wed Mar-18-15 11:49 AM

251. "absolutely. "
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Wed Mar-18-15 02:28 PM

272. "Jay Smooth makes a similar point about tactically discussing race"
In response to Reply # 114
Wed Mar-18-15 02:29 PM by Buddy_Gilapagos

I think what some folks are missing is Jon is talking about tactics. That is how to effectively change someone's mind when talking about race. I think it's a good point.

Jay Smooth describes something similar here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b0Ti-gkJiXc

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278. "thank you. exactly."
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281. "Yesh, Jon is on point. But people are not missing it IMO, they "
In response to Reply # 272

are choosing to be contrary for the sake of arguing about a white person speaking the truth. How dare he tell us anything. SMH

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MiracleRic
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Thu Mar-19-15 01:04 PM

311. "this is not what common was saying though"
In response to Reply # 272

maybe...just maybe...that's kinda what he was thinking or what he meant but as someone who literally works with words...

he picked the wrong ones...

it takes far more work to interpret what Comm said as some sloppy version of what Jay Smooth said then it does to interpret what Comm said as what he's largely being accused of here

that being, said...as useful as what Jay Smooth is talking about is as far as "tactics"...i still think it's only going to help marginally...

that's generally how i try to approach most debates like these...but most people are too divisive and defensive to treat any type of disagreement as anything other than an attack

if the person is capable (or willing) to apply enough nuance to separate "that's racist" from "you're a racist"...they probably wouldn't have said that racist shit to begin with...there are enough exceptions to that to be notable but not enough to be meaningful...in the context of having a better discussion...sure...but it's not discussion that's actually needed...it's action

the interview that jay smooth was in emphasized that even more...he went on to say...the net worth of said "tactics" is meaningless until certain actionable changes are made society wide

the DOJ report is out there...it's tone and approach seems neutral as fuck...and people are still unwilling to face facts

Let me sport my Air Hyperbole 2010s in peace. (c) ansomble

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imo
Member since Aug 09th 2007
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Wed Mar-18-15 09:26 PM

291. "None of this matters and talk is cheap"
In response to Reply # 114
Wed Mar-18-15 09:28 PM by imo

even if you are attempting to talk for all/some/most/subset/young/old/northern/southern whites.

Without bloodshed nothing will change and why should it? Its all taken in blood.

"hey, make this right mayne
stop at the light mayne,
my yester night thang got me hung off the night train "

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Jon
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Wed Mar-18-15 09:33 PM

292. "possibly my favorite Nas track ever right there"
In response to Reply # 291

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Atillah Moor
Member since Sep 05th 2013
13825 posts

Thu Mar-19-15 12:24 PM

306. "#291 all the way"
In response to Reply # 291
Thu Mar-19-15 12:26 PM by Atillah Moor

it's that simple.

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imo
Member since Aug 09th 2007
2144 posts

Fri Mar-20-15 12:00 PM

330. "In addition, poor and pussy white people are the reason blacks"
In response to Reply # 291

are in this situation and were in slavery for so long. Unlike blacks, they actually have numbers on their side. 6% to 9% of the population will never get a fair shake. But if the poor and pussy whites actually stop talking and starting acting a ton of shit could change.

Talking about equality is easy. Leaving the comfort of your flock and inviting blacks into to fold takes a spine they don't have.

"hey, make this right mayne
stop at the light mayne,
my yester night thang got me hung off the night train "

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Hitokiri
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Tue Mar-17-15 07:14 PM

124. "That's a good way to get shot through the hand."
In response to Reply # 0

C'mon Com.

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lfresh
Member since Jun 18th 2002
92696 posts

Tue Mar-17-15 07:40 PM

127. "Boy, you so pretty"
In response to Reply # 0

Imma need you to keep your mouth shut from now on though
Stay pretty like a good boy
Pharrell that goes for you too

No one delete this post
In case sometime down the line someone asks about what happened to conscious rappers
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mtbatol
Member since May 22nd 2002
19788 posts

Tue Mar-17-15 11:32 PM

162. "'93 - '01 Common is tossing in his grave :( :( :("
In response to Reply # 127

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imo
Member since Aug 09th 2007
2144 posts

Tue Mar-17-15 07:41 PM

128. "He's not ready for that pay cut by saying something different"
In response to Reply # 0

"hey, make this right mayne
stop at the light mayne,
my yester night thang got me hung off the night train "

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Kira
Member since Nov 14th 2004
28844 posts

Tue Mar-17-15 08:39 PM

139. "Murph, get your people."
In response to Reply # 0

Common Sense is the homie but c'mon bruh. This insane notion that WE need to do anything other than stay black, procreate, live good lives, and die is bullshit. In other words, Com feels we should forgive racists to which I say: FUCK ALL OF YOU, I HOPE YOU'RE SOLD INTO PROSTITUTION IN SOME FOREIGN COUNTRY UNDER A NEW NAME. PLEASE SPARE THE REST OF US FROM BREATHING THE SAME AIR AS YOU FUCKS. I won't forgive shit and best believe you will pay for this at some point because Obama's America.

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Starks dunked on Bulls
Member since Dec 07th 2011
12028 posts

Tue Mar-17-15 09:20 PM

142. "Imagine if Common made a rap song saying this, lol"
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Boogie Stimuli
Member since Sep 24th 2010
14015 posts

Wed Mar-18-15 07:11 AM

193. "LL Cool J and Brad Paisley already did."
In response to Reply # 142

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Crash Bandacoot
Member since May 13th 2003
10119 posts

Tue Mar-17-15 09:42 PM

144. "i wish i hadn't watched that"
In response to Reply # 0
Tue Mar-17-15 09:48 PM by Crash Bandacoot

>

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"There is much temptation to use what has worked before,
even when it may exceed its effective scope."

"Roll me further bitch"

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mtbatol
Member since May 22nd 2002
19788 posts

Tue Mar-17-15 10:13 PM

153. "Hypocrite... seen this nigga murk a bunch of white cops this past weeken..."
In response to Reply # 0

Now he talking about peace & love?
(╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻ GTFO!!!

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Heinz
Member since Dec 26th 2003
20759 posts

Tue Mar-17-15 10:19 PM

154. "racism will end when you stop thinking black and white "
In response to Reply # 0

Are the only ones involved lol
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IG : H_N_Z

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neuro_OSX
Member since Oct 29th 2004
1157 posts

Wed Mar-18-15 02:07 AM

178. "He on that Morgan Freeman, Don Lemon shit..... SMMFH !!"
In response to Reply # 0
Wed Mar-18-15 02:33 AM by neuro_OSX

They gunning down unarmed black folks every week.. yet its black folks who need to extend a hand in love ???

Ohhhh hold up, Common must be dating a white girl.. LMAO !!

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b.Touch
Member since Jun 28th 2011
20514 posts

Wed Mar-18-15 02:49 AM

181. "naw...he's dating Lupita."
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2.tears.in.a.bucket
Member since Sep 04th 2009
6185 posts

Wed Mar-18-15 06:58 AM

190. "cosby out here rapey + the creator of ''bitch in yoo'' is buck-dancin'....."
In response to Reply # 0

its 2015 A.D. y'all

*throws hands in the air*

♚♚♚♚

#BYLUG >>> https://goo.gl/1ooFp6

♚♚♚♚

screamin' mothafuck a 12 /
bitches ain't shit /
cops ain't neither /
they huntin' my people /

- i. rashad

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MiracleRic
Member since Oct 21st 2002
45200 posts

Wed Mar-18-15 08:50 AM

211. "it's some bullshit...but typical hippy shit"
In response to Reply # 0
Wed Mar-18-15 08:52 AM by MiracleRic

so while i'm smdh...

i'm really not taking this seriously enough to lose all hope in common...

i think he knows better though

edit: i take that back...he's on that raven symone

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Musa
Member since Mar 08th 2006
15789 posts

Wed Mar-18-15 09:16 AM

220. "This sentiment embodies Okayplayer perfectly"
In response to Reply # 0

and a majority of you lames.

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MiracleRic
Member since Oct 21st 2002
45200 posts

Wed Mar-18-15 09:19 AM

223. "odd that u say that despite"
In response to Reply # 220

90% of this post objecting to it

Let me sport my Air Hyperbole 2010s in peace. (c) ansomble

Building repetoires (c) spm since 1983

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Starks dunked on Bulls
Member since Dec 07th 2011
12028 posts

Wed Mar-18-15 09:39 AM

231. "^^^^^"
In response to Reply # 223

>90% of this post objecting to it

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Musa
Member since Mar 08th 2006
15789 posts

Wed Mar-18-15 10:19 AM

238. "That's the irony of the outrage"
In response to Reply # 223

suddenly. Common sounds like a lot of y'all typically in every other post. Its been like that for the past several years. Where is Utamaharo, and Angelo?

Y'all be on that SPM.

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legsdiamond
Member since May 05th 2011
79578 posts

Thu Mar-19-15 07:52 AM

297. "LOL.. on point like a muuhufukka with this one."
In response to Reply # 238

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Boogie Stimuli
Member since Sep 24th 2010
14015 posts

Thu Mar-19-15 09:05 AM

300. "Exactly what I'm saying in #296"
In response to Reply # 238

>suddenly. Common sounds like a lot of y'all typically in
>every other post. Its been like that for the past several
>years.

Either they wanna heal the relationship and forgive or they wanna end it.
You can't be on both sides.
Like I said though, I think Common just stated it so plainly that it made alotta them
realize how ridiculous the idea is. All I know is that this post will be very useful in future
discussions on race in Amerikkka.

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GirlChild
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56000 posts

Wed Mar-18-15 11:48 AM

250. "LOL"
In response to Reply # 220

at you excluding yourself from this community although you still post here

always gotta be one

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Musa
Member since Mar 08th 2006
15789 posts

Wed Mar-18-15 12:37 PM

262. "Its actually some dope music"
In response to Reply # 250

Posted on the boards and I got to bullshit at work some type of way. Otherwise I don't have no connection at all.

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(HIP HOP)
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Garhart Poppwell
Member since Nov 28th 2008
18115 posts

Wed Mar-18-15 09:26 AM

228. "Comm hasn't had a post this deep since Electric Circus"
In response to Reply # 0

Sure hate for his late-career defining moment to be the equivalent of French harping at a white folks' cotillion.

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Atillah Moor
Member since Sep 05th 2013
13825 posts

Wed Mar-18-15 09:37 AM

230. "It's too damn late"
In response to Reply # 0

All we have left is to deal with whatever the fallout is which is what we're basically experiencing anyway. Things will not get better because things do not get better. Candles burn out, flowers wilt, new life eventually grows old and dies.

Anyone thinking there is time to somehow turn the nation around in an age when politicians are bought and sold and a police officer can make millions from killing teenagers is in some kind of denial.

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Everything looks like Oprah kissing Harvey Weinstein these days

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zaire
Member since Aug 17th 2003
2533 posts

Wed Mar-18-15 10:07 AM

237. "Yeah, tell that Black Cop to forget about history move on Com"
In response to Reply # 230

That cop would smile warmly at Com, one of the 'good ones'

+1UP he even rap too

can't wait for fox news to freak this

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kayru99
Member since Jan 26th 2004
16105 posts

Wed Mar-18-15 11:01 AM

241. "...yup. Sad, but true"
In response to Reply # 230

this shit simply can not last

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Crash Bandacoot
Member since May 13th 2003
10119 posts

Wed Mar-18-15 08:27 PM

286. "..."
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Deacon Blues
Charter member
5013 posts

Wed Mar-18-15 02:20 PM

270. "He's right! Miscegenation is the answer!"
In response to Reply # 0

So let's all go get on some white women, lol

It's to end racism!

dude

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rdhull
Charter member
33133 posts

Wed Mar-18-15 02:22 PM

271. "San Diego!"
In response to Reply # 270

>
>So let's all go get on some white women, lol
>
>It's to end racism!

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morpheme
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94867 posts

Wed Mar-18-15 02:53 PM

274. "Martin Luther the Common. "
In response to Reply # 0

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kinetic94761180
Member since Jul 05th 2002
17857 posts

Wed Mar-18-15 08:16 PM

284. "ha!"
In response to Reply # 274

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if racism is a cancer, black thought is the answer.

Rjcc is code for "bitch-ass troll"

DROkayplayer™

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13Rose
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19379 posts

Wed Mar-18-15 03:14 PM

275. "SMH Not like this Com"
In response to Reply # 0

The crib aint raise him to be like this.

This post was paid for by the following.

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GrumpySmurf
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3375 posts

Wed Mar-18-15 09:43 PM

293. "lol! Common is catching hell"
In response to Reply # 0
Wed Mar-18-15 09:48 PM by GrumpySmurf

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mistermaxxx08
Member since Dec 31st 2010
16076 posts

Wed Mar-18-15 10:35 PM

295. "ole Mushroom head lemon lime jive turkey sucking up now"
In response to Reply # 0

they give you some token awards and some movie time and a little bit of film budget and this turkey thinking about being on a Betty White roast show.

mistermaxxx R.Kelly, Michael Jackson,Stevie wonder,Rick James,Marvin Gaye,El Debarge, Barry WHite Lionel RIchie,Isleys EWF,Lady T.,Kid creole and coconuts,the crusaders,kc sunshine band,bee gees,jW,sd,NE,JB

Miami Heat, New York Yankees,buffalo bills

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Boogie Stimuli
Member since Sep 24th 2010
14015 posts

Thu Mar-19-15 07:44 AM

296. "He didn't say that though... and most of yall DO agree with him."
In response to Reply # 0

He said "I'M extended a hand of love blah blah blah"

not "Racism can end if Blacks extend, etc"

Now he DID say we're at that point where it's like bringing up a lover's past, but don't
most of yall agree with him though?

When I talk about separating and doing our own thing, yall say that's a crazy idea.
If you're trying to live in harmony with white folks, how can you NOT agree with what he's saying?
If you're going to continue this fight in america, you have to forgive and accept that you're
currently on the bottom, seeking to help yourself while you depend on concessions from
those on top.
I ain't 'bout that life, but I've had it out with some of yall on NUMEROUS occasions
for opposing that POV. All of a sudden yall ain't for that?
Maybe he just said it too plainly and made yall realize what you're really standing for, lol.

Either you're trying to separate or you wanna heal the relationship. Choose one.

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legsdiamond
Member since May 05th 2011
79578 posts

Thu Mar-19-15 07:55 AM

298. "I like to think some people do it to keep the boards moving"
In response to Reply # 296

but maybe I'm a dreamer

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Boogie Stimuli
Member since Sep 24th 2010
14015 posts

Thu Mar-19-15 09:23 AM

301. "Common held up the mirror and showed 'em they're on some sucka shit."
In response to Reply # 298

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Case_One
Charter member
54687 posts

Thu Mar-19-15 10:54 AM

302. "He really did. "
In response to Reply # 301

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"And the Lord’s servant must not be quarrelsome but must be kind to everyone, able to teach, not resentful." ~ 2 Tim 2:4

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Binladen
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14123 posts

Thu Mar-19-15 11:01 AM

303. "Precisely why I just shook my head and let them poast"
In response to Reply # 296

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daryloneal
Member since Jan 08th 2005
9267 posts

Thu Mar-19-15 11:27 AM

304. "base."
In response to Reply # 296

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but have you ever checked out my website? www.dtaylorimages.com

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MiracleRic
Member since Oct 21st 2002
45200 posts

Thu Mar-19-15 01:13 PM

313. "it's sooooo not that binary though"
In response to Reply # 296

my attitude has nothing to do with what i want to change

there are clear goals that if met can positively impact all colored folks in the U.S.

whether these people want to do so lovingly or with hostility makes me no never mind...

the DOJ Ferguson report would likely be very similar in any heavily black region...

we can demand that those injustices are addressed...the methods of which we do so really don't matter that much imho...power can be wielded gently or with aggression...

the key is figuring out if that power can be leveraged through normal channels

it's a fucked up competition...u can hate your opponents and want them crushed...or u can love your opponents and still want them crushed...they have something we want and demand...how we approach that tournament in demeanor is largely immaterial...if one doesn't work, try another...if neither "tactic" works...it's time to team build until we have a better functioning team or unstoppable stars...

trying to start our own league is only worth it if the numbers are right

Let me sport my Air Hyperbole 2010s in peace. (c) ansomble

Building repetoires (c) spm since 1983

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daryloneal
Member since Jan 08th 2005
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Thu Mar-19-15 12:05 PM

305. "My thing is this:"
In response to Reply # 0

I'm sick of this whole "gotcha" culture where people are just waiting to pounce on someone for saying something they don't agree with.

We literally just finished celebrating Common for his accomplishments with Glory and now people are all over social media calling him all types of idiots and sellouts and whatnot.

Enough.

He's been a man of integrity his whole career, and has always held it down for the culture, and for the people.

That's enough to get a pass on a 60sec soundbite that people don't agree with.

Shit is disgusting.

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Binladen
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14123 posts

Thu Mar-19-15 12:37 PM

307. "^^^^^"
In response to Reply # 305

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Case_One
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54687 posts

Thu Mar-19-15 12:59 PM

309. "I think this is why no one want to be the "Black Voice/Leader" "
In response to Reply # 305

in our community. That person would get assassinated in Social Media for his / her past or current comments. As Black People, we kill the prophets of truth and slay the voices of hope.

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Atillah Moor
Member since Sep 05th 2013
13825 posts

Thu Mar-19-15 01:09 PM

312. "This isn't why"
In response to Reply # 309

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Everything looks like Oprah kissing Harvey Weinstein these days

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Case_One
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54687 posts

Thu Mar-19-15 02:41 PM

317. "l love your absolutes. "
In response to Reply # 312

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"And the Lord’s servant must not be quarrelsome but must be kind to everyone, able to teach, not resentful." ~ 2 Tim 2:4

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Mr. ManC
Member since Jan 26th 2009
11819 posts

Thu Mar-19-15 09:45 PM

321. "people don't want to be the next Black leader"
In response to Reply # 309

Because it will get you shot in the face and murdered to death.

They will literally kill you. That is not the same thing as Black folks submitting dissenting opinions, especially when you are trying to weigh in on anti-blackness and racism like they are in our imagination or relics that WE cling onto.

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Case_One
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54687 posts

Thu Mar-19-15 10:20 PM

323. "For some death is a deterrent. "
In response to Reply # 321

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"And the Lord’s servant must not be quarrelsome but must be kind to everyone, able to teach, not resentful." ~ 2 Tim 2:4

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MiracleRic
Member since Oct 21st 2002
45200 posts

Thu Mar-19-15 01:16 PM

314. "i do agree with this though"
In response to Reply # 305

this definitely should and probably could have flown underneath the radar like a most of these on the spot BS soundbites and quotes

Let me sport my Air Hyperbole 2010s in peace. (c) ansomble

Building repetoires (c) spm since 1983

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Jon
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18687 posts

Thu Mar-19-15 01:42 PM

315. "fuckin a, this shit HAD to be said! ...standing ovation"
In response to Reply # 305
Thu Mar-19-15 01:44 PM by Jon

I completely cosign that shit. This has become the normal mode of operation for people for a long minute now in every circle everywhere. Its beyond disgusting...its disheartening

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Atillah Moor
Member since Sep 05th 2013
13825 posts

Thu Mar-19-15 02:20 PM

316. "Just the cost of doing business."
In response to Reply # 315

You know the history. The direction this country is headed given that history is to be expected.

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Tiggerific
Member since May 24th 2007
13451 posts

Fri Mar-20-15 12:22 AM

324. "RE: My thing is this:"
In response to Reply # 305

True. But, my initial shock (my post below) had me go off.

I had to listen to Kendrick Lamar to calm me down. LOL!

"We don't make mistakes, we just have happy little accidents" - Bob Ross

"I'm wearing a MSU Tshirt because I went to MSU, you are wearing a UM Tshirt because you went to Walmart!" -unknown.

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ScooterBug
Member since Oct 17th 2003
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Thu Mar-19-15 12:48 PM

308. "https://i.imgflip.com/j1tw5.jpg "
In response to Reply # 0

https://i.imgflip.com/j1tw5.jpg

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Case_One
Charter member
54687 posts

Thu Mar-19-15 01:00 PM

310. "This ain't handwriting on the wall, this is Hot Pink Neon Paint"
In response to Reply # 308

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"And the Lord’s servant must not be quarrelsome but must be kind to everyone, able to teach, not resentful." ~ 2 Tim 2:4

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AbdulJaleel
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Thu Mar-19-15 04:27 PM

318. "Racism Is Over, Says A$AP Ferg, Because of the Internet, Interracial Dat..."
In response to Reply # 0

http://radio.com/2015/03/19/asap-ferg-racism-is-over/

By Scott T. Sterling
According to rapper A$AP Ferg, racism is officially in the past, thanks in large part to the Internet and interracial dating.
Ferg’s view on race relations came to light during a recent interview with NPR, where he claims that Nick Jonas is a fan and that Madonna‘s son uses his song “Work” as a ringtone.

“We all the same. That’s what it is about this culture of the Internet,” Ferg theorized. “Is everything is merged. There’s no racism with the Internet. Racism only was—is probably like five generations ago…Racism is for—I wouldn’t say generations. Yeah, like five generations ago. Racism been over. It’s the old people that keep on holding on to it. We don’t hold on to that s—. We don’t know racism. We all like having—like my brother had white—my little brother had white girlfriends. And that’s regular, like.”
However, despite Ferg’s dubious claims, a quick scan of current news headlines reveals that racism in America is still alive and kicking, even on the Internet.

www.instagram.com/schemeofthings

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Atillah Moor
Member since Sep 05th 2013
13825 posts

Thu Mar-19-15 04:42 PM

319. "Russell Brand won"
In response to Reply # 318

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Everything looks like Oprah kissing Harvey Weinstein these days

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lfresh
Member since Jun 18th 2002
92696 posts

Fri Mar-20-15 07:21 AM

327. "Yep"
In response to Reply # 319

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When you are born, you cry, and the world rejoices. Live so that when you die, you rejoice, and the world cries.
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You cannot hate people for their own good.

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Boogie Stimuli
Member since Sep 24th 2010
14015 posts

Fri Mar-20-15 03:15 AM

325. "I didn't have high expectations for a cat whose clique constantly brags"
In response to Reply # 318

about fucking white girls as if they're some kind of superior prize.
Lil nigga is so swallowed by white supremacist ideology that it's "normal, like" to him.

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TheRealBillyOcean
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Fri Mar-20-15 07:01 AM

326. "http://i.imgur.com/IOsbecN.gif"
In response to Reply # 318

http://i.imgur.com/IOsbecN.gif

<---https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01DL9AVTQ

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Ashy Achilles
Member since Sep 22nd 2005
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Fri Mar-20-15 09:08 AM

329. "who cares what asap ferg thinks"
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Tiggerific
Member since May 24th 2007
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Thu Mar-19-15 09:30 PM

320. "RE: Racism Can End If Blacks Extend “A Hand In Love” To Whites - Co..."
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WTF, Common?

No offense, its not white people getting beat down in the streets! I have a forgiving nature. And, its not that I don't have plenty of white friends. But, I don't think its black people not wanting to let it go. I think its whites not wanting to acknowledge the past, not wanting to acknowledge the fucked up shit in the present. And, them hoping that in the future, racism will just go away because we had one black president.

Bullshit.

I'm sorry the way we get past racism is looking at it head on and understanding that if you don't acknowledge it, and getting to the bottom of the bullshit, we are doomed to keep dealing with this crap.

The fact is that when I walk into a store, room and whatnot there are still assumptions made about me the moment someone sees me versus someone getting to know me. I'm just tired of the shit. When my husband walks into a room of engineers at a conference, the first thing they wonder is wtf is he doing there.

I hate it that my daughter is going to be judged because of people that have nothing to do with her. Just because of the color of her skin and not who she is as a person. I'm just truly tired of the bullshit and people like Common are not understanding the pain of it all because they have supposedly "made it" to the point where the color of their skin doesn't matter as much as the money in their pocket!

I'm just tired of fighting the same fuckin fight and Common and the apologizers like him aren't making it any fuckin better.

Yeah, I'm pissed. I'm logging off for the night.

Oh, and tell that UVA student who got beat down for being black that he should extend his hand in love.

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Geez 216
Member since Jul 02nd 2003
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Thu Mar-19-15 10:13 PM

322. "Raps I make up like blacks do excuses - Common"
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He did say something like that though...

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