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Vex_id
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"Defend the validity of white fraternity orgs and their history."


          

I know that this is probably the wrong place for this (as I can't
really see whites here coming out and admitting they were part
of a white frat)- but i really want to hear from OKPs who were members of a white fraternity,
or who defend their existence as being legitimate organizations.

My experience has been the inverse of most white students, in that
the only fraternity I have been a part of is a black fraternity I joined
while at Howard. My experiences there were extraordinary, and while
I was targeted and set out to endure harsher standards upon pledging
(as one of the select few non-black brother to join the fraternity in its history) - I welcomed
it and cherished it as an invaluable social experience that I was privileged
to partake in. That said, I never witnessed an ounce of racism within that
fraternity - as would make sense because the reason the fraternity exists
in the first place is because it rose out of necessity within a racist climate
that did not afford opportunity to non-whites.

I went to undergrad in the south (Virginia) - and my experiences with white fraternities by and large brought me to a conclusion that a large percentage of them were racist organizations that in many ways were remnants of the Old Dixie South. The SAE debacle is indicative of the larger wolf pack culture amongst white fraternities that both implicitly and overtly represents a legacy of Jim Crow/segregation whereby white fraternities coalesced to hoard opportunity and power for their members. They serve no legitimate function in my opinion and I'd like to see these fraternities infiltrated en masse to expose their fraudulence.

But if you think otherwise, I'd like to hear you out.


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Wait you joined a black frat?
Mar 10th 2015
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RE: Wait you joined a black frat?
Mar 10th 2015
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      This dude said Sigma Delta Tau
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      *everything* at Howard is Black....including its white students.
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      Yeah, Sigma Delta Tau is a dang sorority not a fraternity.
Mar 10th 2015
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      lol, I'm just gonna let you continue to exhibit your idiocy.
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      Help yourself to the these fine links for SigmaDeltaTau and Howard too
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           lol I was going to explain it to you...
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                Well, Vex. Correct me and I till Supremamly Apologize to you
Mar 10th 2015
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                     RE: Well, Vex. Correct me and I till Supremamly Apologize to you
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                     Right.
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                          smh
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                               Yeah. I did. It's awful.
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                                    You are one of the poorest thinkers on this site.
Mar 10th 2015
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                     will you shut the fuck up if i spoonfeed it to u like a mewling baby?
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                          Smooooove
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                          That homemade letter Stealing Fraternity ain't real. (I apologize Vex)
Mar 10th 2015
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      Lmao, what is wrong with you?
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           I had too much energy today.
Mar 10th 2015
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      *falls out*
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      Actually I believe it's the only black legal fraternity
Mar 10th 2015
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           ^correct.
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           Nah, playa. no such thing at Howard.
Mar 10th 2015
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                Dude sit down.
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                     Never mind cgonz00cc found it.
Mar 10th 2015
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                          You're such a loud troll.
Mar 10th 2015
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      My brother is SDT. Don't sweat the haters.
Mar 10th 2015
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           Hater? Really? About what?
Mar 10th 2015
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                You call dude's fraternity fake. Mad disrespectful. I know several Nup...
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                     That's not hating.
Mar 11th 2015
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These White Frats are in Social Media trouble...
Mar 10th 2015
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i'm curious as to why you don't consider
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RE: i'm curious as to why you don't consider
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      gotcha
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      RE: gotcha
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           lol thanks
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      This is a really great response
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Off topic:How did you end up at Howard?
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He wanted a stellar education at one of the premier universities on eart...
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You Know.
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RE: Off topic:How did you end up at Howard?
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      Good shit
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i was in Sigma Phi Epsilon for 2 years
Mar 10th 2015
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thanks for the response.
Mar 10th 2015
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ill type out a full reply to this a little later
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RE: thanks for the response.
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Thanks for the input
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I was thinking about this aspect
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      RE: I was thinking about this aspect
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      I suspected
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           perceptive for you to bring this up:
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                thanks for entertaining my questions
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      ill be back with thoughts on this too
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      RE: I was thinking about this aspect
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Crisco was in a white frat, i believe.
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RE: Crisco was in a white frat, i believe.
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      i never felt like they served any purpose except parties and pussy
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           RE: i never felt like they served any purpose except parties and pussy
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                crazy
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                and let me take back what i said about SAE up there.
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                lol. did you ever hear about a group called 'busta kappa kappa'?
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                     haha, nah that doesn't ring a bell, but sounds pretty great
Mar 10th 2015
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                          RE: haha, nah that doesn't ring a bell, but sounds pretty great
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                               i definitely shoulda spent more time at URec, rather than
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                                    RE: i definitely shoulda spent more time at URec, rather than
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                                         exactly
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                Hey my best friend was there at that time too!
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                     RE: Hey my best friend was there at that time too!
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                          I will inbox you it! LOL.
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I think it's going waaaaaayyy too far to say that they are racist organi...
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Yeah it's just a fun song they like to sing about hanging folks
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      So the KKK and SAE are the same thing?
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           Don't see how they aren't related
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I'll try to share a bit of perspective as someone who went to Duke.
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RE: Defend the validity of white fraternity orgs and their history.
Mar 10th 2015
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There's a bit of a difference between OK and MN
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I think this kinda gets to the heart of frats & sororities right here
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^^^^this
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      Ha! We go to the same hair shop.
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      This may motivate me to get financial.
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Case was in here fighting to the E N D
Mar 10th 2015
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Hey, man I gave a strong swing and I took an "L"
Mar 10th 2015
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in his defense there seems to be TWO orgs with the SAME NAME
Mar 11th 2015
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Vex_ID was up in the yard like...
Mar 10th 2015
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Pause
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that dude gets way too much pussy, i bet.
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I can't sleep & this is silly b/c we know the answer but won't accept th...
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huh?
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      University as an institution is illegitimate & yet...they exist & thrive...
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           thats too vague and generalized to have any real meaning
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                I had wonderful professors too but that does not lessen my indictment
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                     can you give me a specific example?
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                          Specific examples of how the university nurtures & maintains oppression?
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Negros running around with Greek names.. GTFOH !!!
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Yeah...fuck Greece.
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I think that is a common misconception about Greece
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      interesting about socrates, never heard that
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While u sit and type in English lol
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      eating black olives out the can and shit
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Bigots need a place to gather too.
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I Pledged an Italian based Fraternity and loved every minute
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That's dope!
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unfortunately in my experience
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1. "Wait you joined a black frat?"
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which one?

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3. "RE: Wait you joined a black frat?"
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>which one?

Sigma Delta Tau - Howard Law chapter.

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6. "This dude said Sigma Delta Tau "
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>>which one?
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>Sigma Delta Tau - Howard Law chapter.
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Which is not a Black Fraternity. GTHOHWTM





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7. "*everything* at Howard is Black....including its white students."
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Tue Mar-10-15 11:36 AM by Binlahab

  

          

Geek down before you come for a Bison


does it really matter?

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8. "Yeah, Sigma Delta Tau is a dang sorority not a fraternity. "
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Is that how Howard get's down?

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12. "lol, I'm just gonna let you continue to exhibit your idiocy."
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19. "Help yourself to the these fine links for SigmaDeltaTau and Howard too"
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https://sigmadeltatau.org/meet/our-leadership/national-office-staff/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sigma_Delta_Tau

https://howard.collegiatelink.net/organizations

http://www.howard.edu/campustour/life/students/greeks/fraternities/Default.htm

http://www.howard.edu/currentstudents/studentlifeactivities/nphc.htm

http://www.howard.edu/ceacs/StudentOrg.htm

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22. "lol I was going to explain it to you..."
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Tue Mar-10-15 11:55 AM by Vex_id

          

but then I realized I don't owe you an explanation. I don't really care
to enlighten you on the history and purpose of my fraternity.

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24. "Well, Vex. Correct me and I till Supremamly Apologize to you"
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Tell me of this nationally recognized Black Fraternity that has stolen the letters of a White Sorority.






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27. "RE: Well, Vex. Correct me and I till Supremamly Apologize to you"
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>Tell me of this nationally recognized Black Fraternity that
>has stolen the letters of a White Sorority.

No thanks.


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28. "Right. "
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You got me with that made up mess....LOL


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32. "smh"
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I guess if it ain't on google it doesn't exist?

Meanwhile, plenty of lawyers, judges, etc. list membership in the org that you've deemed fictional.

you're wrong and too prideful to realize it.

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36. "Yeah. I did. It's awful. "
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How in the heck did... Oh I know. Never mind.

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68. "You are one of the poorest thinkers on this site."
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29. "will you shut the fuck up if i spoonfeed it to u like a mewling baby?"
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http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=2211&dat=19870509&id=VTAmAAAAIBAJ&sjid=c_4FAAAAIBAJ&pg=4003,1887289

Jesus fuck. All the bitching about derailing your own post and here you are endlessly blathering on and challenging him about some shit you are totally clueless of.

That took me two seconds to find.

  

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33. "Smooooove"
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35. "That homemade letter Stealing Fraternity ain't real. (I apologize Vex)"
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Geesh How in the wold did those little Jewish White ladies let this happen.







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65. "Lmao, what is wrong with you?"
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75. "I had too much energy today. "
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69. "*falls out*"
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9. "Actually I believe it's the only black legal fraternity"
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in the country...

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15. "^correct. "
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16. "Nah, playa. no such thing at Howard."
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17. "Dude sit down."
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Please.


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20. "Never mind cgonz00cc found it."
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In some obscure paper from the 80's


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49. "You're such a loud troll."
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It's unreal.

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63. "My brother is SDT. Don't sweat the haters. "
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71. "Hater? Really? About what?"
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76. "You call dude's fraternity fake. Mad disrespectful. I know several Nup..."
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who are members.


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85. "That's not hating. "
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You can just say I was wrong. But I wasn't hating, which implies being jealous.



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2. "These White Frats are in Social Media trouble..."
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This might become a monthly thing


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4. "i'm curious as to why you don't consider"
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enduring harsher initiation as 'racist'.

sorry i have nothing to add to the discussion though.

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10. "RE: i'm curious as to why you don't consider"
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>enduring harsher initiation as 'racist'.

I think context is important in my particular instance. My fraternity was founded
in a basement (in secrecy) when it was illegal for blacks to practice law, and there
was a sacred binding that brought together brothers through each subsequent
line that was committed to challenging the establishment - in many instances -
white supremacy embedded within the legal system. I think it was more of a vetting
process to see if I was really committed to demonstrating my commitment to the
founding principles of the organization. Was I singled out because I was non-black? Yes. Did I find it racist? I did not. Even during the pledging process, I was constantly assisted
and reinforced by elder brothers who mentored me through the toughest times, and
never was it a situation where I was lambasted because of my background.



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thanks for the response

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>thanks for the response

Good to hear from you Mitts. Loving the "little dictator" posts lol.

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interesting journey for sure. but it's fun to watch him completely control my life

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5. "Off topic:How did you end up at Howard?"
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I hope you don't mind me asking. This is 100% agenda free, with zero ulterior motive.

  

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11. "He wanted a stellar education at one of the premier universities on eart..."
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Same as anyone else.


does it really matter?

wonder what bin's doing?
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21. "RE: Off topic:How did you end up at Howard?"
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>I hope you don't mind me asking. This is 100% agenda free,
>with zero ulterior motive.

not at all. Aside from what Bin said, it came down to this for me:

1.) Howard actively recruited me and was the only school where I felt I was joining
a family.
2.) I knew I wasn't going to practice for a big firm (I went to law school more for academic purposes) - as such, I only considered law schools that offered me scholarship $.
3.) I wanted to be in DC (Only American, Catholic, and Howard offered me scholarship $).
4.) After visiting the law school, I was enamored with a couple of the professors.
5.) I wanted to have a different experience. For me, Howard was a distinctive and invaluable experience that was as impactful outside of the classroom as it was inside the classroom.

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25. "i was in Sigma Phi Epsilon for 2 years"
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GA Alpha chapter at GA Tech

I shared some of my rush experiences in the SAE post but as far as the group i joined, it was a fairly routine thing. We had no black members while i was involved but a few joined after i left (it was a negative influence on my schoolwork).

As far as while i was there, there were a couple older good ol boys who may have had racism in their hearts, but never in their words, and there werent enough of them to negatively impact our voting process. Other than the lack of a black pledge, my pledge class was pretty diverse: Indian, Pakistani, Colombian, Korean, and white. That was actually a factor in my decision to join.

I dont really see a need to defend the practice as a whole, nor do i see any need to defend GA Alpha or SigEp national. Just like anything else, cases should be judged individually and on their own merit, or lack thereof.

  

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30. "thanks for the response."
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Did you ever get into the history of the fraternity and the principles
(if any) that it was founded upon?

What was your experience like with other white fraternities? Were some
more known for their racism than others? Were there any white fraternities
that actively combatted racism that you were aware of?


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47. "ill type out a full reply to this a little later"
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It will take me a minute tho so cant do it now

  

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77. "RE: thanks for the response."
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>Did you ever get into the history of the fraternity and the
>principles
>(if any) that it was founded upon?

Oh yeah that was standard pledge stuff. The prinary founder was an ordination student transfer from Rutgers -> Richmond. It was actually founded upon a commitment to the Christian Golden Rule. Eventually the divine aspect kind of faded, but the concept of love thy neighbor remained. The Words are "Virtue, Diligence, Brotherly Love".

>What was your experience like with other white fraternities?

Mostly positive. There were a number of really cool groups, a few asshole groups. The SAE house at GT had actually been decimated in 99, the year before i got there. Totally erased from campus life for all sorts of malfeasance, including a rumor of a kid getting stabbed during a pledging event.

In fact my fraternity was looking at a 1 year suspension at the time i joined because of a group who got busted for drugs. I got a front row seat to the way nationals handles chapters who fuck up, and sigep's national board came down with the wrath of justice.

>Were any
>more known for their racism than others?

Oh yeah. Phi Delta Theta was probably the worst. That was one of the houses i left during rush events. That was also one of the houses to which I invited back and declined. I met a few people there that I actually liked and was gonna be offered a bid, but i couldnt deal with that. Stars and bars were displayed prominently all over the place frequently. Beta Theta Pi was another one that was understood to have some "racial preferences". Most of the fraternities at GT, I must say, had no hints of that. I heard this shit at maybe 3 of the 10 houses i visited during rush. A lot of fraternities had black brothers, tho they were usually outnumbered. Most black students werent interested in white fraternities tho, so that works both ways.

Also, its hard to say if greek life was any more racist than independent life or people just felt comfortable enough to say it in a big enough group of their brothers. A little of both maybe. A lot of the greeks at GT looked *exactly* the same.

>were white
>fraternities
>that actively combatted racism that you were aware of?

I cant say whether any of them made it a public campaign or anything like that. I spent more time at GT out of greek life than i did in it. White and black sororities and fraternities would do mixers and philanthropy events with each other occasionally.

For some reason the sororities tended to have more black members on average, because all of them did. Im guessing its because on average the girls were nicer to each other than the guys were. In fact, by the end most of my female friends from college were in a sorority even tho most of my guy friends were not.


  

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31. "Thanks for the input"
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40. "I was thinking about this aspect"
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>I dont really see a need to defend the practice as a whole,


Someone commented yesterday on a different chant black frats have about which school to get a wife or a ho

And it all seems to be symptoms of larger issues of sexism and racism in society in general

Vex would you want to open this up a bit more
As I don't think there would be a lot of traction asking about white frats
But I'm noticing er...curiousity
I too am curious about your frat
Is it an undergrad frat?


Disclosure
Frankly I have an over all cynicism about organizations in general
From frats/soros to say masons/lodges to religions
It feels like folks get in a group and its a countdown until societal issues concentrate and get embedded
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42. "RE: I was thinking about this aspect"
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>Vex would you want to open this up a bit more
>I too am curious about your frat
>Is it an undergrad frat?

No. It's a legal fraternity (the only black legal fraternity in the country as Mitts noted) -
so only law students and graduates/attorneys are members. In that regard, it's quite
distinguishable from undergrad fraternities (which is where precious Case is getting confused).

>Disclosure
>Frankly I have an over all cynicism about organizations in
>general
>From frats/soros to say masons/lodges to religions
>It feels like folks get in a group and its a countdown until
>societal issues concentrate and get embedded

I think that's fair. I had my suspicious prior to joining, but one thing I liked about
my organization is that it largely operated under the radar and we engage in a lot of
service with the intended purpose of doing it without any eyes/media covering it. The purpose of the organization was/is to further certain principles and processes out of a great
societal need, not for recognition. That's why you won't see much press on us, and you won't see us setting up a tent and partying at homecoming. But you will see courthouses named in the honor of our members. It's an org founded on an entirely different tradition and purpose than traditional/undergrad frats. It's a professional org, not a social one.


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45. "I suspected"
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>>Vex would you want to open this up a bit more
>>I too am curious about your frat
>>Is it an undergrad frat?
>
>No. It's a legal fraternity (the only black legal fraternity
>in the country as Mitts noted) -
>so only law students and graduates/attorneys are members. In
>that regard, it's quite
>distinguishable from undergrad fraternities (which is where
>precious Case is getting confused).

So to confirm the pledging process I imagine would be a lot different?

I'm definitely getting that distinguished flare
But at the same time I'm aware fir the myths around skull and cross bones societies
Not digging for dirt per say
I think I'm just thinking it's different with older folks and just studying law I would think there isn't much time for shenanigans
( again I think of all the crap congress gets into one would think they would have time for that)
Maybe I'm looking for a framework before my mind goes into overdrive on the *tinfoil hat* express

>>Disclosure
>>Frankly I have an over all cynicism about organizations in
>>general
>>From frats/soros to say masons/lodges to religions
>>It feels like folks get in a group and its a countdown until
>>societal issues concentrate and get embedded
>
>I think that's fair. I had my suspicious prior to joining,
>but one thing I liked about
>my organization is that it largely operated under the radar
>and we engage in a lot of
>service with the intended purpose of doing it without any
>eyes/media covering it. The purpose of the organization
>was/is to further certain principles and processes out of a
>great
>societal need, not for recognition. That's why you won't see
>much press on us, and you won't see us setting up a tent and
>partying at homecoming. But you will see courthouses named in
>the honor of our members. It's an org founded on an entirely
>different tradition and purpose than traditional/undergrad
>frats. It's a professional org, not a social one.

Ah framework

Thanks
Oh
Do women also pledge or is there a sorority equivalent?

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59. "perceptive for you to bring this up:"
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>So to confirm the pledging process I imagine would be a lot
>different?

I can't really comment on the pledging process of other frats (white or black) -
but our pledge process wasn't typically what you would associate with traditional frats.
For example, it was never about excess drinking or pulling sophomoric stunts, more
about citing relevant case law, history, and being challenged on spot to support a particular
stance/idea. This isn't to say that it wasn't trying (both physically and mentally) - for there
were moments of intensity, but it was always done with a respectable over-arching purpose.

>I'm definitely getting that distinguished flare
>But at the same time I'm aware fir the myths around skull and
>cross bones societies
>Not digging for dirt per say
>I think I'm just thinking it's different with older folks and
>just studying law I would think there isn't much time for
>shenanigans
>( again I think of all the crap congress gets into one would
>think they would have time for that)
>Maybe I'm looking for a framework before my mind goes into
>overdrive on the *tinfoil hat* express

You are correct to bring up the skulls and cross bones societies, because
much to the ignorance of many members of fraternities (black and white), they have been infiltrated by that element without even knowing it. Just like any organization, there are members vying for leadership positions with a myriad of interests and motives. I was elected dean of a new line and actively sought to be the antithesis of Skull & Bones and educate the line about the influence that Skull & Bones has had on our legal and political system. It was a bit of a controversial initiative, but one I was committed to and it was one of the reasons why I became a brother.

As for whether women could join - it's a male-only membership historically (and still is), but I (along with many other brothers) sought to change that in our constitution, but we were out-voted.

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70. "thanks for entertaining my questions"
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You got to the heart of my question regarding whether there were differences I the pledging process
Correct I didn't need details just the general gist

Good for yall for trying to open it up to women though

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57. "ill be back with thoughts on this too"
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78. "RE: I was thinking about this aspect"
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>Someone commented yesterday on a different chant black frats
>have about which school to get a wife or a ho
>And it all seems to be symptoms of larger issues of sexism and
>racism in society in general

That is true, and i would say that sexism was way more pervasive and overt in my experience. I imagine thats fairly typical at other universities.

  

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34. "Crisco was in a white frat, i believe."
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my guess is most white folks around here are not your traditional frat boy types. i had zero interest in pledging a fraternity. i didn't see the purpose. i took advantage of some party opportunities if i knew dudes in one, but usually didn't really like or have fun at them for real.

kinda funny, but SAE was one of the main ones i had interaction with because i knew a few dudes who were in it. never got a racist vibe at any of their parties, they were a pretty laid back bunch as far as frats on JMU's campus went.

where did you go to undergrad in VA?

  

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38. "RE: Crisco was in a white frat, i believe."
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>my guess is most white folks around here are not your
>traditional frat boy types. i had zero interest in pledging a
>fraternity. i didn't see the purpose. i took advantage of
>some party opportunities if i knew dudes in one, but usually
>didn't really like or have fun at them for real.

lol - yea that's basically most people's experience it seems - but that's
why I raised the question - is that a legitimate organization if that's what
it amounts to?

>where did you go to undergrad in VA?

James Madison.


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43. "i never felt like they served any purpose except parties and pussy"
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fam, when were you at JMU? i was there from 97-02.

  

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44. "RE: i never felt like they served any purpose except parties and pussy"
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>fam, when were you at JMU? i was there from 97-02.

shit - around the same time. that's wild.

'99-'03

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46. "crazy"
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but LOL at me being in one of the big frats anyways. a lot of people at JMU thought i was a "thug" because i was from Hampton and wore Timbs haha.

i loved JMU, though. there's a broad enough mixture of folks/interests/backgrounds/etc. that you can find your niche and good folks to rock with. oh, and there were lots of drugs and folks willing to do/try them, so i got along just fine. haha

  

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50. "and let me take back what i said about SAE up there."
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they were generally douche bags, now that i think about it. i knew a couple dudes in it who weren't really douche bags, one of which was room/housemates with some friends of mine. but now that i recall, if he were hosting an SAE event or party at their house we always found somewhere else to party or chill and only in extremely rare instances would we walk across the street to their actual house if they were having a party.

and i'm still trying to wrap my mind around us being at JMU at the same time.

  

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51. "lol. did you ever hear about a group called 'busta kappa kappa'?"
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it was a group of about 20 of us who infiltrated fraternities and basically
clowned them - was comprised of about 10 black guys and 10 white guys
- we got a little bit of a reputation and frats started to ban us from their
parties lol. It was fun as hell though.

>i loved JMU, though. there's a broad enough mixture of
>folks/interests/backgrounds/etc. that you can find your niche
>and good folks to rock with. oh, and there were lots of drugs
>and folks willing to do/try them, so i got along just fine.
>haha

I absolutely loved my time at JMU. Definitely a great mix of people and
yea - of course the social life was on 1,000 lol. What was your major?


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52. "haha, nah that doesn't ring a bell, but sounds pretty great"
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i earned my degree in Social Work.

  

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53. "RE: haha, nah that doesn't ring a bell, but sounds pretty great"
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>i earned my degree in Social Work.

dope. English/poli-sci double major.

But I spent most of my time in U-Rec lol

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54. "i definitely shoulda spent more time at URec, rather than"
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on my couch with bong and something to drink Haha

and another thing,there's no denying the bad (sure, mostly white) jawns at JMU. oh my goodness.

  

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61. "RE: i definitely shoulda spent more time at URec, rather than"
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>on my couch with bong and something to drink Haha
>
>and another thing,there's no denying the bad (sure, mostly
>white) jawns at JMU. oh my goodness.

There's a reason playboy ranked us #1, playa.

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62. "exactly"
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58. "Hey my best friend was there at that time too!"
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From 98-2002.

Ha. I will ask her if she knows either of you (actually I know she doesn't know Vex because she saw one of his modeling pics and was like WHO IS THAT?)

  

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60. "RE: Hey my best friend was there at that time too!"
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>From 98-2002.
>
>Ha. I will ask her if she knows either of you (actually I know
>she doesn't know Vex because she saw one of his modeling pics
>and was like WHO IS THAT?)

lol #a! what's her name?


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67. "I will inbox you it! LOL."
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39. "I think it's going waaaaaayyy too far to say that they are racist organi..."
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There are some racists in them and some orgs def have the overture of racism in them (like the one that worships Robert E Lee). And some of their founders may have been racists.

But it seems like you are saying that they came about strictly for the purpose of racial superiority.
No. It's was about class superiority. Race was just an extension of that.

College fraternities in general serve no legitimate function. That's why the rest of the world looks at the whole practice with utter confusion.
I had a hell of a time trying to explain the whole thing to my boy from India.

Your experience with the black fraternity sounds a lot like my black friends who joined white fraternities.
I don't think that they are lying when they say that they experienced no racism during their pledging process.



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95. "Yeah it's just a fun song they like to sing about hanging folks"
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not racial or racist in the slightest

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96. "So the KKK and SAE are the same thing?"
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No.

One is a racist organization with racists in it
The other is a student/social organization with some racists in it.

The objective of SAE is not to promote racial superiority. But that is the objective of the KKK. Thus the distinction between a racist org and an org with racists in it

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99. "Don't see how they aren't related"
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Started in the pre civil war south and having a supremacist song passed down for generations suggests to me that there are more than a few racists. How could the makeup of the frat not reflect the makeup of the country? That being majority white and majority racist.

This frat is not some rouge microcosm of US culture-- a culture with a foundation of racism. It's okay to call it what it is.

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41. "I'll try to share a bit of perspective as someone who went to Duke."
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I should contextualize this by saying that, while I rushed frats my freshman year, I didn't ultimately end up joining one. I decided to save the money that joining a Duke frat would have inevitably cost me (most people at Duke have disposable income to burn, but I wasn't really one of them). I also kind of realized that there's an inherent homogenization (if that's the word) that comes with joining most of the Duke frats-- you must go to these parties! you must do this! you must dress this way!-- with which I couldn't really get down. A couple of my buddies who were already in frats who marched to the beat of their own drums seemed to be on the outskirts of their respective organizations, and that didn't seem to be worth the trouble/money to me. That and, you know, I didn't feel like getting hazed the entire second semester of my freshman year. But I did hang out with frat guys and their frat brothers for almost my entire time there.

Granted, that doesn't give me much insight into the history of frats. However, their present-day value is pretty obvious-- networking and mutual support, on an even more intense level than the simple support one gets from one's own alumni at a school like Duke. I know a friend in a frat who traveled across the country, simply crashing at frat brothers' houses along the way-- some of whom he had never met. I was able to get jobs post-grad based on the connections I made at Duke, so I can only imagine the types of jobs one can get when utilizing the connections a fraternity has gathered over the decades.

There's also the simple reason that I rushed in the first place: brotherhood, family, etc. The majority of the kids who rush frats aren't consciously considering the histories, the networking goals, etc. They're simply kids who want to meet cool people, go to cool parties, make some lifelong friends, and get laid. At Duke, the majority of the student body is part of a frat or sorority. It's the cool shit to do.

I will also add that, while Duke has had its share of racial insensitivity kerfuffles in the past, even when I was there a decade ago, I can't recall a single frat or sorority that didn't have minority members-- including the hardcore "Southern lifestyle" one. Again, most everybody joined a frat, so black/Latino/Asian students who didn't want to join the black/Latino/Asian frats/selected living groups would simply rush the what-I'm-sure-were-historically-white frats and join those. For a school as "conservative" as Duke is, its students' social politics have always been *relatively* progressive-- one of the fraternities had a couple of its senior leaders booted when they attempted to fight the admission of a gay dude to their frat based on his sexual orientation. The frat simply joined together, said we want this kid regardless of if he's gay or not, fuck you-- gay kid was in, phobic dudes were out. That was in 2004. So contemporary Duke may not carry as many of the negative stereotypes of historically-white frats as other Southern schools would... or, to give voice to my inner skeptic, (the overwhelming majority of) Duke frat guys are at least smart enough to pick and choose their prejudicial battles and never voice their negativity publicly.

So, while I'm not sure anyone can defend the history of any historically-white frat (I'm sure from their foundations forward, there are likely skeletons in every closet), depending where you go to school, the benefits of joining one today are pretty evident. At least to this relative outsider.

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48. "RE: Defend the validity of white fraternity orgs and their history."
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My SO's little cousin is black and from Brooklyn. He just joined a white frat at a college in the middle of Oklahoma or Minnesota. He moved in to the frat house. I'm scared out of my mind.
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103. "There's a bit of a difference between OK and MN"
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55. "I think this kinda gets to the heart of frats & sororities right here"
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>white fraternities coalesced to hoard opportunity and power
>for their members.

I have no beef with the greek system. Moms, Pops & my baby brother are all in it. People tend to think it's nothing but "buying friends," conforming to a group standard, drinking, partying, etc.

But beyond the stuff that goes on in college, these cats get out into the world and can establish legit connections in the professional world.

The social aspects are one thing when you're 20. But the professional benefits when you're 28-35 can be huge. In the simplest terms, there's power in numbers.

  

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64. "^^^^this"
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Well said.

We're currently all over trying to make it happen for this soror:
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73. "Ha! We go to the same hair shop. "
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89. "This may motivate me to get financial."
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Maybe...
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huh

  

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56. "Case was in here fighting to the E N D"
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@geahuwine

  

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72. "Hey, man I gave a strong swing and I took an "L""
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I'm cool. I know that those letters Belong to a White Jewish Girls Sorority, but if some dudes decided that they wanted to wear them too, I guess it's ok.


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97. "in his defense there seems to be TWO orgs with the SAME NAME"
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66. "Vex_ID was up in the yard like..."
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https://vine.co/v/MD22wzJX0T1

or like this

https://vine.co/v/O2edd1OKaD0


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74. "Pause"
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79. "that dude gets way too much pussy, i bet."
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way too much.

fuck you.

  

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80. "I can't sleep & this is silly b/c we know the answer but won't accept th..."
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Like, the institution of the university is not a legitimate thing & yet...

White people being here as settlers is not valid either & yet...

Idk seems like a strange thing to ask b/c the function of these orgs are super protected so they don't need a defense. They are a huge component of the institution & campus culture, teflon af. Those white men & women (never forget their sororities trash too) involved here & elsewhere will more than likely go on to do well post-grad. More resources & respite for Black students on all campuses/post-grad needs to be the focus.

And to the people who are members of historically Black frats/sors (particularly those in the D9 but not exclusively so), grandstanding & clutching pearls about the SAE thing...It would behoove y'all to do some house cleaning to get rid of your rabid misogynists, queerphobes, classist, colorist, ableist members/leadership.

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83. "huh?"
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>Like, the institution of the university is not a legitimate
>thing & yet...

  

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84. "University as an institution is illegitimate & yet...they exist & thrive..."
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Look at the people who built colleges & unis & the people allowed in (why they exist); then, look at the people not allowed in & the people kicked out (why they thrive).

Revisit my claim, clear or no??

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86. "thats too vague and generalized to have any real meaning"
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The people who teach at a university make it a legitimate place to learn highet concepts in art, math, science, language, etc

So im still not sure what you mean

  

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87. "I had wonderful professors too but that does not lessen my indictment "
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on the university (this is U.S. specific for me, the only context I know) as an illegitimate institution that nurtures & maintains oppression. That said, most (all?) institutions are guilty of this so by no means do I mean for this to be taken singularly.


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88. "can you give me a specific example?"
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Im honestly trying to understand rather than argue

  

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91. "Specific examples of how the university nurtures & maintains oppression?"
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Off the top of my head:

The cost of higher ed., legacy admissions, the assault on race-based affirmative action measures.

The fact that Blk profs are less likely to be tenured than non-Blk profs, significant pay gaps btwn both groups as well.

Lack of physical, social, educational, & mental health safety on campus nor the resources/networks for students at the intersections (especially Black students @ the intersections) to navigate the space.

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81. "Negros running around with Greek names.. GTFOH !!!"
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Black folks should have made up their own shit, instead they imitate the oppressor all the way down to the silly ass Greek names...

  

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82. "Yeah...fuck Greece."
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Invented civilization my ass. How the fuck you gonna invent civilization 8,000 years after people invented civilization?

Fuck Greece and its stagnant ass economy.

  

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93. "I think that is a common misconception about Greece"
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Many astute philosophers spent years attempting to be initiated into Egyptian Mystery Schools, and were ultimately enlightened there, including Plato & Pythagoras. On a side note, there is no evidence Socrates even existed, and may have been the ideal archetype invented by Plato.

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102. "interesting about socrates, never heard that"
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i want to read more about this


what do you have to say about the other people that are reported to be socrates students?

  

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98. "While u sit and type in English lol"
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101. "eating black olives out the can and shit"
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90. "Bigots need a place to gather too. "
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Plus as a country built on race by racists how can you not allow racist institutions to exist? Given the history they should be the norm.

What needs defending is black people wanting to be a part of any of this nonsense or even wanting to emulate it.

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92. "I Pledged an Italian based Fraternity and loved every minute"
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of it. Some of the best years and friendships of my life.
Think there was one incident where a fellow frat brother
saif there should be no more blacks accepted and the other
brothers that were present pretty much shot him down.

Me and him became close over time and at a reunion event years
later he thanked me for helping see his thoughts on black folk
in general were false. And said he has raised his kids to be accepting
and tolerant of all races. Based on a direct connection of knowing
me in college. Now is he gonna let his daughter marry Black, I doubt
it but you never know

And other than that one incident I never felt an ounce of racism.
My Brothers had my back and still do to this day. And I set up a
reunion every year and we get a great turnout and talk about old times.

People are people and I would say most racism is based on not knowing
people of other races.

Also, the main principles of the fraternity was to get drunk and laid.
And we were damn good at it.

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94. "That's dope!"
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100. "unfortunately in my experience"
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when you have any kind of cliquish group of white(especially entitled/privledged) people racism and bigotry are apart of the fabric in some form or another.



i have very limited experience with fraternities though

  

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