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BigJazz
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"couldn't talk about it if you ain't live it..."


  

          

can childless people give good parenting advice?

would you listen to a fat doctor tell you about living a healthy lifestyle?

are you taking financial advice from a chick that parks her car in your garage when she's hiding from the repo man?

should you listen to what single people say about marriage?

if you watch a game on tv, you'll likely see former players talking about the game & providing commentary and analysis. but alongside them are usually a few guys that never played the sport at a level beyond high school or junior college. you may see guys talking about sports that struggle to make an intramural squad back in the day.

is an opinion worth less if the person offering it doesn't have that first hand been there done that perspective?



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I'll take good information from damn near anyone...
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Yep. That person that's messing up....
Jan 29th 2015
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My allergist doesn't have allergies
Jan 29th 2015
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the best hair dressers have the worst hair
Jan 29th 2015
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she was trying to get with my dad when she knew my mom was out of town
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lol!
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they're too in demand to self-style.
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Yes.
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i don't care if my doctor has lived through my problem.
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      This isn't equivalent. Your doctor went through TRAINING...
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all depends
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if you truly considered the sources you do "trust"...
Jan 29th 2015
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Some of the best advice starts off "Don't end up like me"
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People who've failed can often give the best advice on how NOT to fail.
Jan 29th 2015
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This implies experience.
Jan 29th 2015
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yup
Jan 29th 2015
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wrong, and other perspectives are important
Jan 29th 2015
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Parents want any excuse not to listen to outside advice
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not necessarily
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i have never been accused of any crime.
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If you want the best advice then yes you should go to someone
Jan 29th 2015
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RE: couldn't talk about it if you ain't live it...
Jan 29th 2015
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RE: couldn't talk about it if you ain't live it...
Jan 29th 2015
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sometimes, being detached from an experience can give you objectivity.
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^^^^
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a fat doctor is still a credentialed expert
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B level advice vs A or expert level
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Passing of a parent/sibling/spouse. only thing that comes to mind.
Jan 29th 2015
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why do hairdressers/barbers always have the worst haircuts?
Jan 29th 2015
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I would have a hard time taking health advice from a doctor...
Jan 29th 2015
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if his advice is get fat and smoke i would agree
Jan 29th 2015
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i think this is a case of how 'judgemental are you'?
Jan 29th 2015
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Like women telling men how to be men?
Jan 29th 2015
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lets go!
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http://i.imgur.com/WE0DRqN.gif
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person A has 8 kids. person B has no kids.
Jan 29th 2015
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abortions & death of your parents
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It depends on the person
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legsdiamond
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1. "I'll take good information from damn near anyone..."
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my wife's aunt (God bless the dead) gave great advice but her life was a mess.

  

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The Wordsmith
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8. "Yep. That person that's messing up...."
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....might be giving good advice on how to not mess up like them. They may know the right thing to do but have a discipline problem. Like that drug dealer telling kids to get an education and to not get in the life he's in because of all of the headaches.




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John Forte
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2. "My allergist doesn't have allergies"
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what she does have is a whole fuck-ton of expertise and training.

  

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Regina Rose
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3. "the best hair dressers have the worst hair "
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in my opinion
when I had a hair dresser with nice hair she spent her time combing it in between seeing you

she would part my hair put the comb down look at herself and pick up her own comb and adjust her hair.. it.was.annoying










I also suspect she was trying to get with my dad when she knew my mom was out of town..but thats a whole next post

  

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BigJazz
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5. "she was trying to get with my dad when she knew my mom was out of town"
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this is actually more interesting than my OP...

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30. "lol!"
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Its was a mess ..

  

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25. "they're too in demand to self-style. "
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8-bit
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4. "Yes."
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>is an opinion worth less if the person offering it doesn't
>have that first hand been there done that perspective?


Just the way it is. The only folks that seem like they get bothered by this are book smart-type people that never actually apply their smarts in the real world. Many things just have to be experienced. Reading/hearing about it is just a small percentage of learning/knowing.

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21. "i don't care if my doctor has lived through my problem. "
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I care if they know how to fix it.


ppl that deemphaize "book smarts" in favor of
"the school of hard knocks" come across as ____ to me.

some things you can learn from experience.
some things you can learn from books.

good advice can come from all different types of ppl.

  

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35. "This isn't equivalent. Your doctor went through TRAINING..."
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The equivalent would be

- a trained doctor (yours) that has EXPERIENCE doing the work

vs.

- someone that read a textbook or two, but never touched a patient before.


>i don't care if my doctor has lived through my problem->I care if they
>know how to fix it.
>
>
>ppl that deemphaize "book smarts" in favor of
>"the school of hard knocks" come across as ____ to me.
>
>some things you can learn from experience.
>some things you can learn from books.
>
>good advice can come from all different types of ppl.
>
>

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6. "all depends"
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Thu Jan-29-15 12:04 PM by lfresh

  

          

some folks dont think at all
across the board

i dont care how much experience you say you have if you are consistently saying stupid shit
you get the side eye of stupidity



i do be admitting that ndibs be having it right on occassion
so thats a yes
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7. "if you truly considered the sources you do "trust"..."
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they wouldn't seem so "expert" either.

just because it didn't happen {to you} doesn't mean it's true.

  

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9. "Some of the best advice starts off "Don't end up like me""
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10. "People who've failed can often give the best advice on how NOT to fail."
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11. "This implies experience."
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Thu Jan-29-15 12:22 PM by 8-bit

  

          

I think the OP was talking about people with zero experience in something giving out advice.

The difference between

- the skier that skied for years, wasn't good at it, crashed a lot and eventually quit

&

- the person that never skied, never tried on any equipment, or never even been up on a snowy mountain before.

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12. "yup"
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13. "wrong, and other perspectives are important"
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>can childless people give good parenting advice?
>
>would you listen to a fat doctor tell you about living a
>healthy lifestyle?
>
>are you taking financial advice from a chick that parks her
>car in your garage when she's hiding from the repo man?
>
>should you listen to what single people say about marriage?
>
>if you watch a game on tv, you'll likely see former players
>talking about the game & providing commentary and analysis.
>but alongside them are usually a few guys that never played
>the sport at a level beyond high school or junior college. you
>may see guys talking about sports that struggle to make an
>intramural squad back in the day.
>
>is an opinion worth less if the person offering it doesn't
>have that first hand been there done that perspective?
>
>
>
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>I'm tryna be better off, not better than...

  

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14. "Parents want any excuse not to listen to outside advice"
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DON'T TELL ME HOW TO RAISE MY KIDS! !!! Is a favored mantra, typically uttered by people who need to be told how to raise kids.

I used to laugh when people told me I wouldn't know because I didn't have kids. Meanwhile, I'm raising my daughter based on the same thought process I had before I had her.

Not having kids does not equal having no experience in child rearing, or that wisdom cannot be had through observation or simple common sense. A lot of people seem to take the erroneous approach "this is how I was raised and I turned out fine!!"



  

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15. "not necessarily"
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but it does help if you have an anecdote or some relatable experience.

My Father-In-law is not my wife's birth father, but he has a sensitive side/intuition that informs his way of handling them. It's something that I struggle with sometimes, as a man. tryna find that common ground with the girls so the lines of communication stay open.

We dont agree on a lot of stuff. He's Italian and was real conservative sociopolitically for a while but he's start to come around. I used to love goin in on that nigga. 'How you gon tell me, dog. you aint got no kids...aint never had none.'

but he's been in their lives since day one. and they tell him $hit they dont tell me. He helps out, and I caint hate on that AT ALL.

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16. "i have never been accused of any crime."
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am i not qualified to give advice as to how my clients should handle their pending criminal cases? b/c i've never had one?

fuck you.

  

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17. "If you want the best advice then yes you should go to someone"
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who has personal experience and book smarts on the topic.

You can go to a person who just has book smarts or on hand experience and still get good info but I feel you wont get the best info.

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18. "RE: couldn't talk about it if you ain't live it..."
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>can childless people give good parenting advice?

yes...we were all kids once

>would you listen to a fat doctor tell you about living a
>healthy lifestyle?

yes

>are you taking financial advice from a chick that parks her
>car in your garage when she's hiding from the repo man?

learn from other peoples mistakes

>should you listen to what single people say about marriage?

could be divorced and learned some lessons

>if you watch a game on tv, you'll likely see former players
>talking about the game & providing commentary and analysis.
>but alongside them are usually a few guys that never played
>the sport at a level beyond high school or junior college. you
>may see guys talking about sports that struggle to make an
>intramural squad back in the day.

games the game...insight is insight

>is an opinion worth less if the person offering it doesn't
>have that first hand been there done that perspective?


an opinion matters when applied to your life it has a benefit

>I'm tryna be better off, not better than...

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Navem nu, cuando sol
Tutu nu, vondo nos nu
Vita em, no continous non
Nos nu ekta nos sepe ta, amen

When the sun shades the ship
We sweat and life is not safe
To swim or to touch not
When we unite we hedge amen

  

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19. "RE: couldn't talk about it if you ain't live it..."
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I feel you on that...


Its like getting your haircut by the Dread


You take the blue pill, the story ends. You wake up in your bed and believe whatever you want to believe. You take the red pill, you stay in Wonderland, and I show you how deep the rabbit hole goes.

  

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20. "sometimes, being detached from an experience can give you objectivity. "
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non-musicians sometimes give me good advice about how
I should improve a song.

some non-writers can tell you exactly what is wrong with your story.

people who ain't live it can tell you when
your head is up your own ass.


so, yeah.

  

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27. "^^^^"
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22. "a fat doctor is still a credentialed expert"
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23. "B level advice vs A or expert level"
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24. "Passing of a parent/sibling/spouse. only thing that comes to mind."
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If you haven't lived that its difficult to relate

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26. "why do hairdressers/barbers always have the worst haircuts?"
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you can't understand it with an explanation

  

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28. "I would have a hard time taking health advice from a doctor..."
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that's morbidly obese and smokes.


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31. "if his advice is get fat and smoke i would agree"
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Dont see that being the case tho lol

  

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29. "i think this is a case of how 'judgemental are you'?"
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some humans discredit and judge other humans for sport.

  

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32. "Like women telling men how to be men?"
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We still have time for a POAST!

Let's get it © G-Dep

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33. "lets go! "
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34. "http://i.imgur.com/WE0DRqN.gif"
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http://i.imgur.com/WE0DRqN.gif

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36. "person A has 8 kids. person B has no kids."
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person A claims it's fine to feed kids only 3 times per week. that feeding kids 3 or more times per day is doing too much and results in childhood obesity. person is adamant about this and says all 8 kids he's raised were only fed 3 times per week and no more.

person B claims it's absolutely unconscionable to feed any child only 3 times per week no matter what. person B is adamant that children must be fed at least 3 times per day. person B refuses to even consider feeding a child only 3 times per week.

which one is talking the best stuff? the one w/extensive parenting experience or the one who's never parented?

fuck you.

  

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37. "abortions & death of your parents"
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unless you have aborted a baby
or been faced with aborting one
don't tell me SHIT

same for burying your parents
that is some shit that you cant explain the feeling of

some ppl dont give a fuck about their parents so they didnt care when they died
but i had no bad blood between my folks and that shit hurt(s) when they left
a pain like no other

some times i get fucked up and have to catch myself because i will pick up my phone and try to call my mom to ask her how to make this or that dish and i have to put the phone down and realise she is gone

or i could be working on my truck hunched over in my engine compartment and i can hear my dad talking to me (he was a auto mechanic)
and i just smile like HAHAAAAAAAAAA i am my father's son

cool shit

but experience rules!

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BabyYoda
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38. "It depends on the person"
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And if said advice is coming from a good place or not. I would consider advice from an inexperienced person, if I felt said person is giving it genuinely and sincerely. Also, the level of rapport I have with the advice giver makes a difference.

However...

I believe that even good advice from an experienced person of a particular situation may not work for me. What may work for one person may not work for another person. But, as long as the advice given is solicited and I am in the right frame of mind to receive said advice, then it is all good.

In the end, I think it may be best to handle one's own problems or at least attempt to handle one's own problems before worrying about having to deal with (un)solicited advice from others.

  

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